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Post Post #8032  (isolation #1400)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:47 am

In post 8029, Jingle wrote:
In post 8019, DrewVa wrote:Jingle could you like take a VC or something if you're focused on this game instead of inflating your epeen

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I love how responding to an accusation that not sheeping nancy is antitown is 'inflating my epeen'.

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In post 8015, Jingle wrote:Wouldn't say I've pushed him yet

I didn't really name you as a BEF pusher so why did you feel the need to need to defend yourself? Also, you are saying that he's "prob scum" anyways so you are pushing him despite claiming that you aren't.


In post 8015, Jingle wrote:He's pushing EJ for lying but seems to think EJ is town and he's pushing "Day Reps have scum" despite the Ramcius mislynch and multiple arguments about why that's not a helpful path to go down that he hasn't responded to.


I'll have to check to make sure but I don't think he's calling EJ town and I haven't played with BEF scum (at least I don't remember if I have) but doubling down on this day rep thing seems like something scum wouldn't do.

I think its far more likely that scum are pushing BEF as opposed to BEF being scum.


Wasn't about defending myself. I was acknowledging that I probably wasn't the person you were asking, and explaining why I'm interested in the lynch. And no, BEF didn't outright admit he thinks EJ is town. That is the conclusion I came to about him from reading his posts.


I very much doubt that’s what DVa meant by that. :roll:
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Post Post #8074  (isolation #1401)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:01 pm

In post 8049, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8041, Jingle wrote:
First, that quote tells us only that scum can (but doesn't have to) choose a player to be a day rep. It doesn't tell us scum can't choose a town player. It does in fact tell us scum can choose not to choose a player to be a day rep.

Where did you get the bolded information?


Here is where I learned of the "bolded information". Directly from Boon's announcement of the Day Rep ability. I bolded the parts that answer how I understood the information.

"Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!"


The only night so far where this would have been remotely advantageous was probably D3 but I think that scum is most likely to leave it for LYLO.
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Post Post #8075  (isolation #1402)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:10 pm

In post 8059, Elsa Jay wrote:Still wondering who we're lynching between Nev or Fishy. My vote is still on Nev.


They look bad both to opposing scum!SS wagon and CD kill. It’s pretty clear by now, that scum is targeting Flippy wagon.

Also, why do they not use their N2 1-shot doc yet? We had vig, holstering N2, made sense with a vig but neither with a doc or cop.

I’m still wondering about no N3 NK and it seems to me that the intended NK was likely protected, if by town jailkeep, then that would explain both that and our vigshot on you failing.

And N & M aren’t claiming to have used it on N3, which makes their doc claim, less believable.
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Post Post #8076  (isolation #1403)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:12 pm

In post 8065, Creature wrote:Why are we ignoring RCEnigma again?


Why do you think RCE is scum?
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Post Post #8077  (isolation #1404)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:13 pm

In post 8073, RCEnigma wrote:Nancy won't defend my honor but Dva will.


Why do you say that? :(
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Post Post #8095  (isolation #1405)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:03 pm

My theory is scum shot Performer because he joked about a jailkeep, but there's no way to know their exact logic.

Would you like to propose why one out of BEF/Jingle/Elsa is a better lynch than you for today, N&M?

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Post Post #8111  (isolation #1406)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:42 pm

Sorry I was playing some o/w

what's the q bae?

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Post Post #8113  (isolation #1407)  » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:48 pm

In post 8112, Nev and Max wrote:You've said a few times now that we made an attempt to stall the lynch on SS. I wanted to know what you were basing that opinion off of. For us either way was a good lynch and I don't remember speaking against the SS lynch at all.


sorry I think that was Nancy

she will probably be on later but I can't really speak on behalf of that comment in particular

my problem is that there still has to be an unaccounted for town protective, I don't know why they haven't claimed their save, and I don't know why Jingle is asking for a massclaim if they don't want to claim a save

if it was all up to me I'd probably lynch between elsa/jingle but I think Nancy feels a lot more strongly that you're scum than I feel about either one of them rn

sorry :(

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Post Post #8124  (isolation #1408)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:14 am

Nancy still wants it, and the more I think about it, I really don't see a doctor not trying to use their charge on the night that they are in a boonus room where they are very likely to be in a position to win if they so desire. I know sleep medication is a thing, but it's a hydra and that just seems like something I have a very hard time imagining coming from town.

I'm not particularly thrilled with the idea of Jingle continuing to force a massclaim although I do think there's some merit in the people who have already claimed investigative-like actions outing whatever results are left, given I cannot imagine a reason they wouldn't do so or what detriment to the town there would be, but I think that with RCE, Creature, and Dave having... more or less? all claimed all of their results so far, I think it's time we start seeing where people really want today's lynch to be.

N&M -- DrewVa
BEF --
Elsa -- Nero

Just copy paste and add your name

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Post Post #8154  (isolation #1409)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:18 am

In post 8152, Xtoxm wrote:entirely possible, but not worth the risk
its a claim that doesnt get them to endgame either way
depending on the outcome of massclaim, the slot is a possible mechanical clear
we are not a the point that this need to be imminently dealt with


How is a one shot non-loud doctor that has not used any charges a "possible mechanical clear?"

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Post Post #8162  (isolation #1410)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:08 pm

@N @ M , you claimed to have planned to doc us N3 but “fell asleep”, before you could submit it but unless you were under anesthetic or something, I don’t believe you couldn’t submit it within 48 hours.

I think N & M is lying scum here.
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Post Post #8163  (isolation #1411)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:08 pm

In post 8155, Xtoxm wrote:do you think macho modifiers exist in this game just to negate a bunyip and a scum JK?


It is very likely there is another town protective that has yet to claim.

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Post Post #8164  (isolation #1412)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:09 pm

In post 7910, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 7907, DrewVa wrote:
In post 7899, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 7883, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 7877, Nev and Max wrote:Why do you think I've been playing like I don't give a shit?


You haven't been.


Moreso that I don't care about people scum reading us so much. Maybe playing like shit? I dunno. I haven't been playing particularly well this game.


I dislike that you claim to have gotten a doc charge N2 and still haven’t used it on anyone.

FYI, holding on to a protective power, is what got me outed as scum in Heroes Wanted. Why? Because if you’re town, you never how long you’re going to live in a game, so you use your PR asap, especially if it’s a protective. Ours was a 1-shot vig and we had no idea to shoot but if we had cop or doc, we would have 100% used it the very night we got it.


We didn't get a charge. We are the doctor. We started with 1 charge. We couldnt guess we'll enough until now where the kill was going to go. We were going to be on Drew last night, but again sleeping pill and all.

Trying to guess the save when there are still 15+ is bad odds. We were waiting til we could even them up a bit, which would probably have been tonight.
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Post Post #8168  (isolation #1413)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:17 pm

In post 8166, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 8164, DrewVa wrote:
In post 7910, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 7907, DrewVa wrote:
In post 7899, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 7883, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 7877, Nev and Max wrote:Why do you think I've been playing like I don't give a shit?


You haven't been.


Moreso that I don't care about people scum reading us so much. Maybe playing like shit? I dunno. I haven't been playing particularly well this game.


I dislike that you claim to have gotten a doc charge N2 and still haven’t used it on anyone.

FYI, holding on to a protective power, is what got me outed as scum in Heroes Wanted. Why? Because if you’re town, you never how long you’re going to live in a game, so you use your PR asap, especially if it’s a protective. Ours was a 1-shot vig and we had no idea to shoot but if we had cop or doc, we would have 100% used it the very night we got it.


We didn't get a charge. We are the doctor. We started with 1 charge. We couldnt guess we'll enough until now where the kill was going to go. We were going to be on Drew last night, but again sleeping pill and all.

Trying to guess the save when there are still 15+ is bad odds. We were waiting til we could even them up a bit, which would probably have been tonight.

you don't need a good reason to holster when you only have 1-shot
protectives in particular are much more powerful when numbers are lower, and charges are hard to come by in this game


You’re telling me, you honestly believe he fell asleep and therefore couldn’t doc us in 48 freaking hours?
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Post Post #8178  (isolation #1414)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:43 pm

Vote count 5.xx

N&M -- DrewVa
BEF --
Elsa -- Nero


I'm not going through and grabbing everything just throw your name on the right line people

I want to see who all wants what

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Post Post #8181  (isolation #1415)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:18 pm

In post 8146, Elsa Jay wrote:20 Australian dollars from Ducky here I come.

In post 8180, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 8178, DrewVa wrote:
Vote count 5.xx

N&M -- DrewVa, PP, The traitor Elsa
BEF --
Elsa -- Nero



Sometimes, I seriously wonder if you’re a jester but then I remember that there aren’t any in this game. :lol:
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Post Post #8182  (isolation #1416)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:26 pm

In post 8167, Creature wrote:Meh, won't mind the massclaiming

I suppose there must have only 3 scum left


The only problem with that, is scum can kill all the PRs. So, unless scum!SS jailkept us, there is still an unclaimed town protective in this setup that stopped the N3 NK and we shouldn’t out them.
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Post Post #8185  (isolation #1417)  » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:29 pm

jingle are you still voting penguin?

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Post Post #8188  (isolation #1418)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:47 am

In post 8186, davesaz wrote:Are you dodging N&M's question? Or overlooked it?


I asked Nancy, I think she mostly remembered N&M pushing EJ over SS, and I believe she misremembered N&M trying to prevent the day from ending when that did not happen afaik. I don't really have an issue with retracting that part of the case on her behalf, given I don't really think that's the biggest issue we have with the N&M slot. (Claim, Boonus Round, Tone, Reactions, seem more what we've discussed irt the slot)

I'm still a bit more conflicted as I outlined but am not sure that I want BEF more today than N&M despite my misgivings on the slot.

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Post Post #8192  (isolation #1419)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:25 am

In post 7209, Nev and Max wrote:No


N&M could you clarify what this post was in response to.

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Post Post #8193  (isolation #1420)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:27 am

Isn't there some mechanical bullshit on una, but not a hard clear cause it was a no result on a day we don't know where ss jailed?

I need to make a list at some point of the level of reliability for each check we have at some point

Or was that one of creature's results after he was ascetic?

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Post Post #8194  (isolation #1421)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:31 am

Vote count 5.xx

N&M -- DrewVa, PP, Elsa
BEF --
Elsa -- Nero

Not voting: jingle


Can we keep this up btw

I know some people wanted bef

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Post Post #8195  (isolation #1422)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:53 am

In post 7012, Creature wrote:
In post 6999, Cheeky Dancer wrote:I dont understand. You're saying you disloyal vigged AC on n1??!? If you did a disloyal action on AC, well then I guess my sr on you has been right .

My revealed actions:
N2: disloyal action on EJ - failed
N3: disloyal action on Una - failed

if that wasn't clear
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Post Post #8197  (isolation #1423)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:55 am

In post 8196, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 7828, Creature wrote:I claimed a disloyal on thanos

Yes, I got a no result

In post 7831, Creature wrote:Small reminder that dave and I targeted her with a disloyal and got no result.
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Post Post #8202  (isolation #1424)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:13 am

In post 8198, Thanos wrote:Stupid question: what would a disloyal action on an Ascetic return?


No results, I imagine - irrespective of alignment, so it obviously only works on slots that aren’t asetic, commute or rolestopped, or the player with the disloyal isn’t roleblocked. Based on TLK inexplicably receiving the sticky fruit, there’s also the possibility of some form of redirect.
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Post Post #8203  (isolation #1425)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:15 am

In post 8199, Thanos wrote:So Creature:
N2 targeted EJ
N3 targeted Una
N4 targeted me

And got "no result" all the time?
Btw, Nancy what's your Creature read here?


Apparently.

I think Creature’s definitely town here.
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Post Post #8204  (isolation #1426)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:18 am

In post 8200, Nero Cain wrote:I'm not voting N+M without further protection claims.

Nancy, you are passing on Elsa b/c Creature says he targeted him with something. I'd ask you about Creature (who I'm also not town reading) but they are tied up Elsa so I'm sure thats a no for you. Wut about Jingle?


Dave also claims to have a disloyal on Elsa.

I dunno about Jingle. We are definitely suspicious of him but probably don’t want to vote there today.
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Post Post #8205  (isolation #1427)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:20 am

In post 8204, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8200, Nero Cain wrote:I'm not voting N+M without further protection claims.

Nancy, you are passing on Elsa b/c Creature says he targeted him with something. I'd ask you about Creature (who I'm also not town reading) but they are tied up Elsa so I'm sure thats a no for you. Wut about Jingle?


Dave also claims to have a disloyal on Elsa.

I dunno about Jingle. We are definitely suspicious of him but probably don’t want to vote there today.


No, we haven’t towncleared Elsa.
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Post Post #8210  (isolation #1428)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:47 am

In post 2403, Boonskiies wrote:
Day 2 RepresentativesThese 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

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Una, the other 3 of us won prizes in the BOONus round. If scum had that ability, why wouldn’t they have known about it on D1? So, they would then have to know that they wouldn’t be anonymous, right? And that suspicion would thereby fall on any slot in there who didn’t win a prize? And it’s only now that Boon tells us, that one of the slots is always random. So, I guess, if you have more than one unexplained slot - more than one who wasn’t in the round who didn’t win a prize but what I’m wondering is if, scum could, possibly frame a slot as well by selecting them over a scummate?
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Post Post #8211  (isolation #1429)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:48 am

In post 8208, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8163, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8155, Xtoxm wrote:do you think macho modifiers exist in this game just to negate a bunyip and a scum JK?


It is very likely there is another town protective that has yet to claim.

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Are we considering the sticky fruit as a protective?


Didn’t that die with TLK?
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Post Post #8216  (isolation #1430)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:55 am

In post 2400, Boonskiies wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Emperor flippyNips [4]: - Alonzo [12/26, 18:53], DrewVa [12/27, 17:01], Xtoxm [12/28, 16:53], Cheeky Dancer [12/28, 17:48] ------ [LYNCH]
The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon [12/19, 08:19], Emperors New Groove [12/24, 08:34], Ramcius [12/24, 11:45]
Theta Alpine[3]: - Almost Chara [12/27, 14:50], Elsa Jay [12/28, 17:41], The Last Knight [12/28, 17:35]
Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) [2]: - davesaz [12/18, 08:56], Thanos [12/22, 12:53]
Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa) [2]: - Ultimate Liars [12/15, 22:02], BrightEyedFish [12/28, 00:23]
Ramcius [2]: - Gamma Emerald [12/19, 12:37], Nero Cain [12/27, 14:52]
Profii [1]: - RCEnigma [12/20, 17:19],
BrightEyedFish [1]: - Nev and max [12/16, 16:58]
RCEnigma [1]: - Theta Alpine [12/18, 07:59]
Elsa Jay [1]: - Profii [12/28, 17:01]

Not Voting [1]: Emperor flippyNips
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Post Post #8219  (isolation #1431)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:59 am

In post 8216, DrewVa wrote:
In post 2400, Boonskiies wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Emperor flippyNips [4]: - Alonzo [12/26, 18:53], DrewVa [12/27, 17:01], Xtoxm [12/28, 16:53], Cheeky Dancer [12/28, 17:48] ------ [LYNCH]
The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon [12/19, 08:19], Emperors New Groove [12/24, 08:34], Ramcius [12/24, 11:45]
Theta Alpine[3]: - Almost Chara [12/27, 14:50], Elsa Jay [12/28, 17:41], The Last Knight [12/28, 17:35]
Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) [2]: - davesaz [12/18, 08:56], Thanos [12/22, 12:53]
Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa) [2]: - Ultimate Liars [12/15, 22:02], BrightEyedFish [12/28, 00:23]
Ramcius [2]: - Gamma Emerald [12/19, 12:37], Nero Cain [12/27, 14:52]
Profii [1]: - RCEnigma [12/20, 17:19],
BrightEyedFish [1]: - Nev and max [12/16, 16:58]
RCEnigma [1]: - Theta Alpine [12/18, 07:59]
Elsa Jay [1]: - Profii [12/28, 17:01]

Not Voting [1]: Emperor flippyNips


According to your theory Una, that would make Dave and BEF the scumteam because Creature has used a disloyal on Thanos. Not sure how votes on UL fit into this, however?
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Post Post #8224  (isolation #1432)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:07 am

In post 8217, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 8210, DrewVa wrote:If scum had that ability, why wouldn’t they have known about it on D1? So, they would then have to know that they wouldn’t be anonymous, right? And that suspicion would thereby fall on any slot in there who didn’t win a prize? And it’s only now that Boon tells us, that one of the slots is always random.
Huh.
In post 2404, Boonskiies wrote:Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep?
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In post 2404, Boonskiies wrote:They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!
They likely didn't know how the dayreps are selected.
They likely thought they could just blend in with the randomness.
They likely didn't know Boon would yell their ability out loud the next day.
I mean, IN HOW MANY GAMES DOES THE MOD REVEAL SCUMTEAMS ABILITIES AT THE START OF THE DAY AFTER GIVING IT TO THEM? :lol:

And to anyone saying it's not "powerful" to be a dayrep, I call bs.
Scum should be seeking to use any "power" available to them.
Being a dayrep...well, It's still power to manipulate, drive an agenda, tell a narrative. Potray as a "teamplayer" by "not hammering until we are all sure" etc etc.
I'm not expecting a scum!dayrep would just end day because they can. :yawn:


It wasn’t all that powerful on D2, because on D1, any rep who tried to end the day early, rightfully had a huge FOS lobbed at them, so what power would that really be? Sure scum wouldn’t have known that their ability would be outed but they did know that day reps weren’t anonymous and under heavy scrutiny, so I don’t see the benefit of drawing unnecessary attention to themselves anyway? Near endgame, I’d totally get it but still on D2, I unlikely, think.
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Post Post #8226  (isolation #1433)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:10 am

In post 8223, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 8219, DrewVa wrote:According to your theory Una, that would make Dave and BEF the scumteam because Creature has used a disloyal on Thanos.
Huh? :?
How does "Creature using a disloyal on Thanos" make
A) Creature town?
B) Dave and BEF scum?


A) I’m townreading Creature based on meta.

B) I thought that was your theory, not mine?

I’m not currently scumreading Dave and BEF is nullscum, for me now. \_0_/
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Post Post #8228  (isolation #1434)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:13 am

In post 8225, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 8219, DrewVa wrote:Not sure how votes on UL fit into this, however?
Like, if we REALLY want to tear everything apart, it goes like this.
EVERYONE IN THE TOP 2-4 WAGONS IS A SUSPECT!
Meaning: Creature, PenguingPower, Ramcius , Almost Chara , Elsa Jay , The Last Knight , davesaz, Thanos.

Now, you see where that leaves us?
We have a lynchpool of 5 instead of the 3 I suggested. :]


Okay, why is everyone in the top 2-4 wagons a suspect? *confused*
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Post Post #8230  (isolation #1435)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:15 am

In post 8227, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 8224, DrewVa wrote:It wasn’t all that powerful on D2, because on D1, any rep who tried to end the day early, rightfully had a huge FOS lobbed at them, so what power would that really be?
Well, we didn't see anyone trying to tell much of a story with it, but maybe that is because Boon did tell us about it? :lol:
Like...trying to play a friendly neighbourhood townie!dayrep after Boon has just told us that one of them could always be scum if they just wanted to wouldn't be the smartest move I guess?


Well, if we don’t die soon, we need to definitely re-evaluate our townreads, because then we ought to rightfully suspect a possible pocket.
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Post Post #8231  (isolation #1436)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:17 am

In post 8229, UnaBombaH wrote:...........................................I'm not sure we should be having this discussion. :facepalm:


Okay, I’m just not following rn. Maybe DVa can explain it to me?
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Post Post #8239  (isolation #1437)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:44 am

In post 8236, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 8235, Jingle wrote:Una, your theory about day reps is garbage.
And this is me not giving a flying duck. :]

If I were scum here, I would've definitely taken a dayrep-position D2 for myself or my teammate, and none of you would've apparently punished me for it at all.
So there's that. :]


Oh goodie

And what would you have taken with your exciting position

A vacation in the bahamas?

Because it's fucking useless for scum so I'm assuming you want the money or glory right?

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Post Post #8241  (isolation #1438)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:46 am

In post 8240, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8188, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8186, davesaz wrote:Are you dodging N&M's question? Or overlooked it?


I asked Nancy, I think she mostly remembered N&M pushing EJ over SS, and I believe she misremembered N&M trying to prevent the day from ending when that did not happen afaik. I don't really have an issue with retracting that part of the case on her behalf, given I don't really think that's the biggest issue we have with the N&M slot. (Claim, Boonus Round, Tone, Reactions, seem more what we've discussed irt the slot)

I'm still a bit more conflicted as I outlined but am not sure that I want BEF more today than N&M despite my misgivings on the slot.

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This while post is fucking bullshit. First of all Nancy is posting, but she can't respond personally to the post that you already told me you didn't want to speak for her on. I get that you spoke to her, but if it's not your read then I don't think you should be the one posting the defense.

Nancy throws shade at us in a lot of posts and when called on it she sends out her peon to make the slight retraction.

Nancy, if you think we are scum case us. Shade, feelings and tone policing isnt substative. Explain why are actions point to a scum mentality. I can't change your mind on how you read my posts. I can argue reasoning behind things info and say though.


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Post Post #8242  (isolation #1439)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:47 am

In post 8239, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8236, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 8235, Jingle wrote:Una, your theory about day reps is garbage.
And this is me not giving a flying duck. :]

If I were scum here, I would've definitely taken a dayrep-position D2 for myself or my teammate, and none of you would've apparently punished me for it at all.
So there's that. :]


Oh goodie

And what would you have taken with your exciting position

A vacation in the bahamas?

Because it's fucking useless for scum so I'm assuming you want the money or glory right?

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I think Una’s still probably town though. :lol:
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Post Post #8256  (isolation #1440)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:55 am

Spoiler:
In post 8250, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8241, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8240, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8188, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8186, davesaz wrote:Are you dodging N&M's question? Or overlooked it?


I asked Nancy, I think she mostly remembered N&M pushing EJ over SS, and I believe she misremembered N&M trying to prevent the day from ending when that did not happen afaik. I don't really have an issue with retracting that part of the case on her behalf, given I don't really think that's the biggest issue we have with the N&M slot. (Claim, Boonus Round, Tone, Reactions, seem more what we've discussed irt the slot)

I'm still a bit more conflicted as I outlined but am not sure that I want BEF more today than N&M despite my misgivings on the slot.

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This while post is fucking bullshit. First of all Nancy is posting, but she can't respond personally to the post that you already told me you didn't want to speak for her on. I get that you spoke to her, but if it's not your read then I don't think you should be the one posting the defense.

Nancy throws shade at us in a lot of posts and when called on it she sends out her peon to make the slight retraction.

Nancy, if you think we are scum case us. Shade, feelings and tone policing isnt substative. Explain why are actions point to a scum mentality. I can't change your mind on how you read my posts. I can argue reasoning behind things info and say though.


What part of we’re a hydra aren’t you comprehending?


The part where your partner referred me to you. I call you out directly in multiple posts. Other people call you out. You prance your partner out with your hand up his ass like a puppet while offering a slight walk back from what you've said.

Nancy. This look isn't good on you, it's trite trash to be honest. Don't whine about not being listened to if one of your strategies is to ignore and diminish others.



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Post Post #8260  (isolation #1441)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 pm

We can massclaim or not but at this point I am pretty okay just lynching N&M.

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Post Post #8271  (isolation #1442)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:09 pm

In post 8262, RCEnigma wrote:I'm with drewva to be honest. Rereading Cheekys iso is making me kind of paranoid but I think N&M comes away from cheekys iso as a scummier slot than the ones I'm paranoid of.

One of Alonzo/McQueen was on track and are worth digging through. I want to say Alonzo to take the lazy way out but cheeky didn't die over their JK joke.


Both Alonzo and CD were hardpushing N & M.
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Post Post #8272  (isolation #1443)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:11 pm

In post 8266, Creature wrote:
In post 8207, UnaBombaH wrote:And IF they didn't know it was ever gonna be outed, THEN they would've def. picked one D2.

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I can give you a tip: it's not me.


Definitely not us either. Always one random=Ram but the other 3 were BOONus round winners.
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Post Post #8274  (isolation #1444)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:05 pm

In post 8273, Creature wrote:dave and I were in the same room and became both day representatives. Did it happen another time?


No, don’t think so, which is why I really doubt that scum used the dayrep thing on D2.
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Post Post #8276  (isolation #1445)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:13 pm

In post 8275, Creature wrote:I mean the two players from the same winning room becoming day representatives.


Hmmm . . . I don’t think so.
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Post Post #8277  (isolation #1446)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:15 pm

In post 25, Boonskiies wrote:Day 1 has begun!!


Day 1 RepresentativesThese 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

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In post 2403, Boonskiies wrote:
Day 2 RepresentativesThese 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

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In post 4482, Boonskiies wrote:Day 3 has begun!!


Day 3 RepresentativesThese 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

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In post 6222, Boonskiies wrote:Day 4 has begun!!


Day 4 RepresentativesThese 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

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In post 7355, Boonskiies wrote:Day 5 has begun!!


Day 5 RepresentativesThese 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

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Post Post #8285  (isolation #1447)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:11 pm

Why the fuck are we massclaiming when N&M is a consensus lynch

I am hearing no one seriously fight for N&M town, only nero saying to pass because of a claim which is weak af

If we are massclaiming we are starting with someone that at least a few people want to lynch like BEF

But I literally don't even know if I want BEF to claim right now and he is basically #2 in my poe

If you think N&M is town then say so and say who the better lynch is

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Post Post #8287  (isolation #1448)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:15 pm

In post 8285, DrewVa wrote:Why the fuck are we massclaiming when N&M is a consensus lynch

I am hearing no one seriously fight for N&M town, only nero saying to pass because of a claim which is weak af

If we are massclaiming we are starting with someone that at least a few people want to lynch like BEF

But I literally don't even know if I want BEF to claim right now and he is basically #2 in my poe

If you think N&M is town then say so and say who the better lynch is

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Yeah, why is Penguin first? If we do it, BEF should claim first but yeah, I agree. I don’t see the need for it today. There isn’t any need to out all the tprs rn.
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Post Post #8288  (isolation #1449)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:17 pm

In post 8287, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8285, DrewVa wrote:Why the fuck are we massclaiming when N&M is a consensus lynch

I am hearing no one seriously fight for N&M town, only nero saying to pass because of a claim which is weak af

If we are massclaiming we are starting with someone that at least a few people want to lynch like BEF

But I literally don't even know if I want BEF to claim right now and he is basically #2 in my poe

If you think N&M is town then say so and say who the better lynch is

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Yeah, why is Penguin first? If we do it, BEF should claim first but yeah, I agree. I don’t see the need for it today. There isn’t any need to out all the tprs rn.


I think you may be wrong about them neccesarily being a “consensus” lynch though.
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Post Post #8289  (isolation #1450)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:21 pm

If the only person willing to add their name to a vote count on a line other than N&M is nero on elsa then it sure sounds like a consensus lynch to me

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Post Post #8298  (isolation #1451)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:02 pm

Yeah if we were going with "pseudo" conf town then we'd have fucking elsa choose and that's not happening either.

This thing where people keep pushing for the slots that no one wants to lynch to massclaim first and your argument that forcing scum to guess where a real protectice is is pinging the fuck out of me

And we never concluded wtf happened with stickygate so you would also risk making any investigative actions unreliable if we have a loyalized visitor unclaimed which is precisely what profii has mentioned he tried to make happen.

Like yes, maybe we get some more likely town out of a massclaim, but if anyone had a sword to explain which is better between N&M and BEF they would have said so already

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Post Post #8306  (isolation #1452)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:22 pm

Una is only town because of the claimed creature result, and creature is not locktown. Based on play alone una would be lowish on my poe, probably around or lower than dave. In fact requiring una to be town is one of the main things making me have doubts about my creature read, altho I have way more issues with bottom of poe than those two.

If Thanos wants BEF to claim he can ask for it.

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Post Post #8307  (isolation #1453)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:24 pm

In post 8305, Jingle wrote:
In post 8300, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 8297, Jingle wrote:On last thing before I duck out of the thread for a few hours. If what I hope will happen doesn't, we should probably lynch me or EJ, despite both of us likely flipping green.


Wait a second, I didn't agree to this.


Don't care a whit. Your wants and desires are secondary to solving the game.


A question, if you please. Would you say you’re more or less fun at parties than FF?
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Post Post #8309  (isolation #1454)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:34 pm

In post 8308, Nev and Max wrote:Don't forget that we have our protect and are willing to let that go where people feel it helps us best.

Force scum to kill us or fuck with the kill again.


Except if Creature is town then scum may have already decided he was an optimal kill tonight so leashing you would do us absolutely 0 good and tell us nothing if he ends up being the NK

So us holding out because leashing you is some big deal seems like a load of garbage

No worthwhile crumbs, nonsensical night actions, and AtE without solving in response to being pushed for a weak claim does not leave me with any reason to think you are town. You're acting like you're a good nightkill right now for scum when you're not, which reflects the desire you seem to have to be townread for your claim alone which is pretty scum indicative imo

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Post Post #8310  (isolation #1455)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:35 pm

Oh hey Nancy's on

I should stop cross-posting with her because people seem to not be able to tell us apart even though I have literally sigged every post except the gifs

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Post Post #8313  (isolation #1456)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:47 pm

In post 8311, Nev and Max wrote:Also, a mass claim right now would force scum to prioritize their kills based on who can do the most damage to them.


Yeah, that's my point. Why do you want to make it easy for the scum to figure out where their kills can do the most damage?

In post 8311, Nev and Max wrote:If we can figure out who has the best chance of finding scum I will be on that person making sure they can do their job.


why are you asking to be leashed if, from your point of view, one of the players most capable of catching scum is Creature, who you cannot protect? (assuming of course you think Creature is town, which is not universal consensus)

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Post Post #8317  (isolation #1457)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:56 pm

btw is there like some link somewhere that actually explains objectively wtf a bunyip is

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Post Post #8323  (isolation #1458)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:12 pm

In post 8123, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 8088, davesaz wrote:
In post 8087, RCEnigma wrote:Una not vanilla, cheeky not vanilla.

Thought cheeky was stickyfruit vendor after my check.

Have you said which nights?

Una n2 and cheeky n3.

In post 8087, RCEnigma wrote:Una not vanilla, cheeky not vanilla.

Thought cheeky was stickyfruit vendor after my check.


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Post Post #8326  (isolation #1459)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:19 pm

I'm seeing if this hydra can break 2000 posts without me hydraslipping LOL

although I do use my main in our hydra PT, just easier that way

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Post Post #8327  (isolation #1460)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:20 pm

In post 6621, Nev and Max wrote:Um what

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btw is Mala still playing even?

Or has she done some unsigned posts since January?

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Post Post #8337  (isolation #1461)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:44 pm

Have you vended since then?


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Post Post #8339  (isolation #1462)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:47 pm

Do you have any theories about stickygate?

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Post Post #8340  (isolation #1463)  » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:52 pm

This may sound like a strange question but why would you use any shots at all. If you vend to scum it can severely disrupt town investigative results, especially if you die and there is no known start point for the fruit.

Related question did you vend to profii because you townread him? What was your reasoning there?

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Post Post #8345  (isolation #1464)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:06 am

what bothers me is I don't see redirectors explicitly banned or allowed in this setup. It has to be some jank scum variant role; or profii lied about sending it to tlk.

Like does profii make that play as scum? I have a very hard time seeing it. But I have also occasionaly forgotten he is in this game lately lol

I'm not even sure if we have enough unaccounted for boonus actions that you could have stickied elsa the night he was double copped iirc

If you feel confident that elsa was not fruited then what do you think? Enchantress?

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Post Post #8351  (isolation #1465)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:15 am

Dude no one claims enchantress here, at this point it would be a scum claim, that's why jingle's commuter claim is sketch af and why elsa is still in everyone's poe.

Elsa as traitor enchantress would explain the double scum claim around ss hammer too kinda altho I don't want to go full tinfoil here

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Post Post #8353  (isolation #1466)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:19 am

what did you want from that round I don't even remember the other prizes

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Post Post #8355  (isolation #1467)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:25 am

Fair enough, but given the risks involved the correct play was to ask me to gift you loyal imo

altho I am not surprised none of us thought of a play like that at the time

Night 1 feels like forever ago at this point for me lol

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Post Post #8357  (isolation #1468)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:30 am

In post 8356, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8351, DrewVa wrote:altho I don't want to go full tinfoil here


Yes, we'd hate for you to have to stray from the box youve carefully been creating...


You're welcome to push elsa as a traitor enchantress if you like my theory

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Post Post #8361  (isolation #1469)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:39 am

In post 8358, Jingle wrote:Cool, so one of BEF and profi is scum.


what leads you to this conclusion?

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Post Post #8369  (isolation #1470)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:45 am

so BEF

Not only are you a fruity fish

You are a sticky fruity fish?

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Post Post #8375  (isolation #1471)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:48 am

Redirector is not prohibited tho so wtf are you talking about jingle

why are you acting like scum redirector is impossible

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Post Post #8387  (isolation #1472)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:55 am

Profii can full claim all his visits at this point anyway.

So elsa maths out as not enchantress

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Post Post #8394  (isolation #1473)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:59 am

In post 8385, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8382, Jingle wrote:Profii- inventor
Drewva- activator
BEF- SFVendor

There are only 3 non whitelisted roles possible.

In order for a redirector to be in the setup, one of those has to not be. DrewVa's role is funtionally confirmed by the fact that the activations did actually happen.
BEF's role is confirmed by the existence of sticky fruit.
If profii made up his role he could be a redirector. It would be incredibly bad play to fakeclaim a role that was going to be mechanically confirmed as scum later in the game, so profii almost certainly has a variant role.


DrewVa's role is confirmed but is the role AI?


If we could put three people in boonus and also redirect night actions this setup would be wildly scumsided

Profii might actually have to be scum and that confuses me

But it also excites me lol

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Post Post #8402  (isolation #1474)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:02 am

But wait that would mean ss/profii delay on receiving the hood shot was actually theater? Lol what is this game

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Post Post #8414  (isolation #1475)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:14 am

Doesn't even matter today given we can't also be a redirector

Jingle can argue we can be a scum activator if he wants tomorrow but there is no way our flip resolves stickygate; at this point only a profii/bef flip does that

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Post Post #8423  (isolation #1476)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:19 am

In post 8418, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8414, DrewVa wrote:Doesn't even matter today given we can't also be a redirector

Jingle can argue we can be a scum activator if he wants tomorrow but there is no way our flip resolves stickygate; at this point only a profii/bef flip does that

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Seems like you gave up on us pretty easy today. Did the windsock change direction and you see an easier mislynch somewhere else now?


You believe profii is a mislynch?

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Post Post #8429  (isolation #1477)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:23 am

The thing is profii has allegedly done other protown actions with his boonus activities

what we have not seen is any evidence whatsoever that his inventor claim is real

We basically need profii to check in here

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Post Post #8432  (isolation #1478)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:25 am

In post 8426, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 8421, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8415, RCEnigma wrote:Add to that I don't know why scum activator would ever activate town. From there based on how Xtoxm played the boonus round openly claiming to start leads me to believe he's not scum with drewva. He didn't try to manipulate the boonus round in any way which would be a priority with a scum activator imo.


DrewVa ABSOLUTELY manipulated our N1 BOONus round under their theory that I would win and vig them. Read Alonzo's ISO and it confirms DrewVa played dirty that round.


Small sample size. Also I was in OK2 and see why Nancy would play a boonus round with you night 1 that way knowing what kind of player Nancy is.


That was me actually and I wasn't giving bef a vig shot based on our two mini normals, one where be fakeclaimed daycop as vt. I just find his play to be erratic

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Post Post #8438  (isolation #1479)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:30 am

In post 8431, Thanos wrote:
In post 8428, Nev and Max wrote:She didnt think Boon would allow us to use the same ability twice. That was the ultimate endgame i had in mind, that with that combo we could use 2 protects in 1 night.

See, why I'm finding this hard to believe is, even without multitasking the extra charge in itself is really useful since you get to protect someone another day.


+1.

There is no need to ask your hydra partner for permission to win the boonus round. You might want to discuss which prize you take but that should not inhibit the actual winning of the round or the choice to do so.

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Post Post #8449  (isolation #1480)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:42 am

In post 8447, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8446, Thanos wrote:Could be bad scum play too :P


Not when Ive been as involved as I have. My bad scum play comes from detaching from a thread and active lurking.


Actually I just read your scum play earlier today and most of it was complaining about being scumread and ate.

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Post Post #8453  (isolation #1481)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:46 am

In post 8452, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8449, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8447, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8446, Thanos wrote:Could be bad scum play too :P


Not when Ive been as involved as I have. My bad scum play comes from detaching from a thread and active lurking.


Actually I just read your scum play earlier today and most of it was complaining about being scumread and ate.

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What game did you read?


One of your newbie queue games on ff account

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Post Post #8462  (isolation #1482)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:53 am

I believe it was 1897 I skimmed and it looked in the ballpark of your tone here

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Post Post #8468  (isolation #1483)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:01 am

In post 8464, Thanos wrote:DVa, are we sorting between Profii and BEF today?


We are probably lynching profii so yes. There is something I might need to say about that too; I am not sure the proper order; I should probably out it now but I'd like to check with nancy. I will go this far; our slot is in two hoods and one of them is important.

I think the rest will be claimed later but I think I'd rather check with my hydra partner and that neighbor before saying more. This is related to why I was opposed to massclaim today.

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Post Post #8470  (isolation #1484)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:05 am

In post 8466, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8462, DrewVa wrote:I believe it was 1897 I skimmed and it looked in the ballpark of your tone here

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Main difference is that almost all of my posts were directed at one person in an attempt to put them on tilt. I went hard at Reaper because he was who I had identified as my most likely mislynch. Thats what I do as scum.

Where have I done that this game? Tone has to match intent too, one without the other is either hollow or too overt.


Yeah and you have been giving nancy shit all day while apologizing for night actions that are literally being explained by things I have no way of verifying. so yeah I would say you have seemed a lot more interested in ate and whining, which loosely matches your scum play

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Post Post #8474  (isolation #1485)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:08 am

In post 8473, profii wrote:
In post 8402, DrewVa wrote:But wait that would mean ss/profii delay on receiving the hood shot was actually theater? Lol what is this game

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Boon can you confirm your tardy delivery please :P

Do you want me to out the loyal/loud dudes. Already said I made Una ascetic as his role may have confirmed via the quack thing therefore ascetic is least negative there


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Post Post #8476  (isolation #1486)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:11 am

Our role name, to be clear, is "town grifter"

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Post Post #8491  (isolation #1487)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:31 am

Sure wish it didn't take profii 25 minutes to look up his night actions :P

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Post Post #8497  (isolation #1488)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:35 am

In post 8494, RCEnigma wrote:Bef scum makes the pool gamma/Nero/Dave/creature.


do you think BEF was not aware he would be guaranteeing his own death tomorrow if profii flipped scum? I mean he clearly never realized that a redirector would have to be a variant role and thus he's been cross-claimed with profii ever since we hardclaimed variant as well, apparently unknowingly?

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Post Post #8498  (isolation #1489)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:36 am

In post 8497, DrewVa wrote:if profii flipped scum?


ebwop: if profii flipped town

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Post Post #8512  (isolation #1490)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:42 am

In post 8502, BrightEyedFish wrote:I gave profii the fruit because I tr him. If I was scum do you think I would pass it to town!profii?


if you are scum, you only passed to profii because your action was locked before night ended and you didn't realize you were not winning in the boonus round.

I have to consider it given what else I know about what profii will eventually claim; I had some pretty good reasons to think he was town ngl

Boon also does occasionally do really weird bullshit. One of the two of you could be withold part of your claim; you could be a disloyal sticky fruit vendor; profii could be a disloyal inventor.

disloyal scum sticky fruit vendor would theoretically explain why you would eventually plan to cross-claim profii

like either way there had to be some pretty wifomy plays made this game

I still find it mindblowing that profii would try to generate a lynch on TLK by lying about who he gave fruit 0.o

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Post Post #8514  (isolation #1491)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:44 am

The level of mindfuck in this game is currently above 0%

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Post Post #8516  (isolation #1492)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:46 am

I just never thought I'd spend a tuesday night talking to a bunch of fish who they gave fruit to

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Post Post #8520  (isolation #1493)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:53 am

In post 8255, profii wrote:I've already claimed so I'm personally not bothered - i am distinctly under the impression my loyal person didn't work so i don't think they have innos but there is a small chance as they have suggested they have a night action -if that came out it might narrow a couple of bits down idk?


This is a pretty weird post for scum too is the issue I'm having

BEF spent the beginning of this game arguing semantics and spent today pushing the weird af dayrep theory

I have no idea why he would hardclaim the way he has here as scum but based on play I would usually lynch BEF over profii here.

although I guess I also don't know why he makes Una ascetic

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Post Post #8522  (isolation #1494)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:56 am

No, someone who was made loyal, and inferred that it was most likely from profii, neighborized our slot.

That inference is a pretty significant part of my read on profii, given the logic involved in why that person believed that profii made them loyal.

And it's a pretty compelling reason to apply scrutiny to both sides of this case, because I am pretty confused rn

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Post Post #8523  (isolation #1495)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:58 am

In post 8521, BrightEyedFish wrote:I didn't think I was going to lose because we all voted compromise.


right, that's why I was saying it would make sense to give your first fruit to town if you thought you were going to get a second fruit

I just don't know that I can locktown you for that

I can tell that you were emotionally frustrated with us juking you in the boonus round but I'm not 100% certain right now that that frustation is by definition town indicative, although your mentioning of it again after your claim did seem pretty townie lol

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Post Post #8525  (isolation #1496)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:57 am

OK.

So PP claimed to have received loyal and neighborized our slot

I'll let PP say more whenever he gets on I guess

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Post Post #8526  (isolation #1497)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:58 am

In post 8524, profii wrote:I then went creature -> Loud - he said something about probably being a PR so I figured it made sense to make him more checkable - there was a discussion between me and someone (McQueen?) as I said to creature 'you're basically PR claiming' and he chastised me for it but it seemed like a good way to crumb I am going to do that


to be clear this was n2 or n3?

because you had to choose between sending the sticky fruit n2 or using the loud n2 right

so you made creature loud n3?

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Post Post #8527  (isolation #1498)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:59 am

In post 8524, profii wrote:this was the time I also passed the sticky fruit to PP but it didn't happen


I'm dumb you literally answered this

profii

did you try to submit two night actions on the same night?

j/w

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Post Post #8528  (isolation #1499)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:00 am

if you tried to send a sticky fruit and were roleblocked would you still have that sticky fruit?

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Post Post #8529  (isolation #1500)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:02 am

In post 8524, profii wrote:so then it was REALLY weird for me that PP had given a gift to TLK - because the loyal apparently doesn't kick in until the following day, so it was irrelevant from that perspective, but TLK claimed Sticky fruit which obviously means whatever PP claimed didn't make it to TLK.


I still have no idea how in the flying fuck profii as scum would come up with a convoluted mess of night actions like this

doesn't the sticky fruit description say that it does other shit that you don't know about?

like what did the sticky fruit say when you got it?

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Post Post #8532  (isolation #1501)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:06 am

Are you sure that if you sent Penguin Sticky Fruit, and Penguin was visiting TLK that night--which is what Penguin said he was doing--that the sticky fruit would not therefore also go to TLK simultaneously with Penguin's existing night action?

I don't see how this is possible, given that you were visiting Penguin the night you received the fruit

Unless you received the fruit, simultaneously passed it to penguin the same night...

Are you sure you *had* the sticky fruit when you tried to send the sticky fruit night 2?

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Post Post #8535  (isolation #1502)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:09 am

@profii, I feel like I'm more confused here because this is such a convoluted mess I feel like it has to be real and I don't really understand the scum motivation from any party involved.

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Post Post #8536  (isolation #1503)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:12 am

In post 8533, UnaBombaH wrote:I've also been checked by Creature AND RCE.


RCE's check would from his point of view only indicate you're not vanilla though right?

So Creature's check is the only one that matters

I don't get why you're getting upset by this I haven't really considered your lynch at any point today, I just don't see your slot as mechanically locked as town given it hinges on Creature's alignment. RCE's interaction with you irt the bunyip check is interesting but it doesn't really help as much as you might think it does

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Post Post #8538  (isolation #1504)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:15 am

n1: BEF vends sticky fruit to profii, profii loyalizes PP -- WHERE IS THE STICKY FRUIT D2?
n2: PP sends fruit to TLK -- WHERE IS THE STICKY FRUIT D3?
d3: TLK ONLY ends up with sticky fruit and not other fruit

what

You weren't in a boonus room n1 right, profii? The loyalization on PP came from your rolecard?

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Post Post #8539  (isolation #1505)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:17 am

In post 8537, UnaBombaH wrote:Then why are you getting peeved when people are still suspicious of your slot? :]

Also: DO YOU TOWNREAD ME or not?
Just want to see a definitive answer.


not based on play, not really no. Mechanically it seems like you are pretty likely town and I think nancy maybe townreads you, I mostly just kinda stopped thinking about your slot one way or the other

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Post Post #8543  (isolation #1506)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:21 am

In post 8540, BrightEyedFish wrote:The fruit is with profii on D2,


you're sure?

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Post Post #8544  (isolation #1507)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:21 am

In post 8542, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm thinking your slot might be the "deepscum" we have been looking fore..


well enjoy lynching both Profii and Penguin first

are you even reading this thread right now Una?

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Post Post #8546  (isolation #1508)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:23 am

In post 8545, BrightEyedFish wrote:I gave it to him N1, and I don't think he would be able to give it away until the following night.


but you just said it is "passed along" with night actions -- is that done voluntarily or involuntarily?

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Post Post #8551  (isolation #1509)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:29 am

In post 8547, BrightEyedFish wrote:just that they will be able to pass it along the following night.


so FYPOV for the fruit to have ended up at TLK profii has to be lying, because the fruit does not 'chain along' as each person performs night actions, there's no way it somehow ended up on Penguin n1 just because Profii was visiting Penguin n1?

Like that just seems like such a weird series of coincidences that I'm missing something

like if profii is scum how tf would he anticipate that penguin was going to fruit TLK?

I guess at some point I need to go reread that part of the game

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Post Post #8552  (isolation #1510)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:37 am

alright I'm going to bed

weird puzzle

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Post Post #8553  (isolation #1511)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:45 am

Last late night thought

It would help for creature a to confirm he got the mod from profii n2

Still do not get how profii can vend an invention and the sticky fruit without multitasking

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Post Post #8556  (isolation #1512)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:47 am

In post 8518, Jingle wrote:So Drewva, did profii tell you who he made loyal/loud etc ind your neighborhood?


We don’t have a hood with Profil. What?
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Post Post #8557  (isolation #1513)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:50 am

In post 8529, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8524, profii wrote:so then it was REALLY weird for me that PP had given a gift to TLK - because the loyal apparently doesn't kick in until the following day, so it was irrelevant from that perspective, but TLK claimed Sticky fruit which obviously means whatever PP claimed didn't make it to TLK.


I still have no idea how in the flying fuck profii as scum would come up with a convoluted mess of night actions like this

doesn't the sticky fruit description say that it does other shit that you don't know about?

like what did the sticky fruit say when you got it?

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Post Post #8558  (isolation #1514)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:52 am

In post 8537, UnaBombaH wrote:Then why are you getting peeved when people are still suspicious of your slot? :]

Also: DO YOU TOWNREAD ME or not?
Just want to see a definitive answer.


I think you’re probably town.
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Post Post #8559  (isolation #1515)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:53 am

In post 8542, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 8539, DrewVa wrote:I mostly just kinda stopped thinking about your slot one way or the other
Well, at least this fits my assessment of you. :]

I'm thinking your slot might be the "deepscum" we have been looking fore.. :cop:


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Post Post #8560  (isolation #1516)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:55 am

In post 8549, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 8388, Jingle wrote:basically the point of it is that EJ scumlynch only saves SS if EJ is traitor and SS actually wanted EJ dead, therefore EJ can only be traitor.
I see your point here, and agree with the logic.
BUT.
I'd argue that S_S was always supposed to be the lynch from scum!PoV. :]
So for me, Elsa is still a potential scum!anything.
BUT.
I'm also the one who gave her the Weak-modifier, so I don't feel the need to kill her..quickly.


I definitely don’t think he’s mechanically clear but probably not today’s lynch anyway.
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Post Post #8561  (isolation #1517)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:56 am

In post 8551, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8547, BrightEyedFish wrote:just that they will be able to pass it along the following night.


so FYPOV for the fruit to have ended up at TLK profii has to be lying, because the fruit does not 'chain along' as each person performs night actions, there's no way it somehow ended up on Penguin n1 just because Profii was visiting Penguin n1?

Like that just seems like such a weird series of coincidences that I'm missing something

like if profii is scum how tf would he anticipate that penguin was going to fruit TLK?

I guess at some point I need to go reread that part of the game

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Post Post #8562  (isolation #1518)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:58 am

So, Profil is lying about giving sticky fruit to TLK? Is this right?
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Post Post #8565  (isolation #1519)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:25 am

In post 8564, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8563, Creature wrote:I see we're still going circular.


Do we have to always explain everything separately to both DrewVa heads?


DVa changed our vote and didn’t really say too much about it to me and she’s asleep rn, so. \_0_/
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Post Post #8570  (isolation #1520)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 am

In post 8569, profii wrote:D1 -> Sticky fruit starts with BEF

N1 -> BEF gives it to Profii

D2 -> I claimed I had the Sticky fruit straight away and I haven't checked but I said I'd just give it to my loyal dude (PP)

N2 -> I gave it to PP

N2 -> PP also gifted ~something to TLK~

D3 -> TLK claimed to have the Sticky fruit

D3 -> TLK lynched and no one has mentioned having the sticky fruit since, so it stands to reason that he actually received it, also corroborated by the lack of PP gift (i.e. ascetic)



So, then nothing’s changed so why is DVa voting you? *confused*
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Post Post #8596  (isolation #1521)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:46 am

No additional inno, penguin sent to jingle n3 and he said he commuted when we pressed on why he wasn't claiming fruit.

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Post Post #8598  (isolation #1522)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:48 am

In post 8596, DrewVa wrote:No additional inno, penguin sent to jingle n3 and he said he commuted when we pressed on why he wasn't claiming fruit.

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No wait n4

N1: ? (Receives loyal from profi)
N2: fruit to tlk
N3: hood drewva
N4: fruit jingle

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Post Post #8599  (isolation #1523)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:51 am

In post 8597, Thanos wrote:Also Drew what's your Gamma read?


Feels like town that gave up trying to keep up with this game
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Post Post #8605  (isolation #1524)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:58 am

why do you think we were going hard on N&M lol

We could lynch N&M and check BEF for close to a full solve, that's why I was fighting massclaim given I still don't know what is up with this night action fuckery

Penguin has been the strongest investigative in my mind for a while now and I didn't want anyone fucking with his check

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Post Post #8607  (isolation #1525)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:59 am

In post 8602, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 8574, PenguinPower wrote:Last night, I used my loyal 1-shot neighborizer on [DrewVa], and now [she] [is] confirmed town to me.

Last night he neighborized. Does PP have multitasking?


I think he forgot to update his post from our hood for the jingle shot last night; it's only n1 I never asked about cause he wasn't loyal and I assume he just held his shot

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Post Post #8610  (isolation #1526)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:02 am

In post 8606, RCEnigma wrote:Why claim at all then?


Because we need to sort profii/bef nonsense and us being in a loyal hood is the only proof of profii's variant role being real

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Post Post #8614  (isolation #1527)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:04 am

In post 8524, profii wrote:
In post 8491, DrewVa wrote:Sure wish it didn't take profii 25 minutes to look up his night actions :P

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I'm GMT - I posted about 7am and then went to work... so ner

I went Loyal -> PP because the hydra posted those pineapple pen gifs, which ive seen someone use as a fruit vendor crumb before - I thought I saw him claim he passed on charges which is why I'm doubting he got the loyal + scum had a JK and I claimed day 1 so the obvious thing to do would be JK me probably?

I then went creature -> Loud - he said something about probably being a PR so I figured it made sense to make him more checkable - there was a discussion between me and someone (McQueen?) as I said to creature 'you're basically PR claiming' and he chastised me for it but it seemed like a good way to crumb I am going to do that

this was the time I also passed the sticky fruit to PP but it didn't happen

so then it was REALLY weird for me that PP had given a gift to TLK - because the loyal apparently doesn't kick in until the following day, so it was irrelevant from that perspective, but TLK claimed Sticky fruit which obviously means whatever PP claimed didn't make it to TLK.

Then I made Una Ascetic because he said he was already loud so it seemed less damaging to give that to someone who is apparently loud.



@Creature you still need to confirm you got loud n2

Kinda important

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Post Post #8619  (isolation #1528)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:13 am

In post 8617, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8610, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8606, RCEnigma wrote:Why claim at all then?


Because we need to sort profii/bef nonsense and us being in a loyal hood is the only proof of profii's variant role being real

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How would a town!me flip help the rest solve the problems with the fruit. Because you will have the exact same info you have now--just one less town.


Lol I literally have no idea what to do with this game rn

I think Nancy just thinks your play overall is easier to see from scum than profii

I honestly don't know how profii comes up with something as convoluted as this as scum

But I also don't know why you created a mechanical crossclaim as scum unless you really had no idea it was a crossclaim

Is there any conceivable way you are both town that doesn't require mod error or a bastard game lol?

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Post Post #8626  (isolation #1529)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:17 am

Profii what was you n4?
N1: loyal penguin
N2: loud creature (not confirmed?); Sticky penguin (2 actions?)
N3: ascetic una? + receives hood shot from ss
N4: hoods?

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Post Post #8629  (isolation #1530)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:19 am

In post 8624, RCEnigma wrote:I think Profiis stickyfruit comment was glossed over. In the rolecard it is implied the stickyfruit has an ability. If the stickyfruit ability transfers itself to the receivers target then it isn't necessarily a cross claim.


In which case shouldn't bef know what it is and therefore be lying by omission?

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Post Post #8636  (isolation #1531)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:22 am

In post 8622, profii wrote:
In post 8610, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8606, RCEnigma wrote:Why claim at all then?


Because we need to sort profii/bef nonsense and us being in a loyal hood is the only proof of profii's variant role being real

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I believe Una confirmed receiving the ascetic, he certainly queried me after the fact so I took it that it worked - but I'll let him 100% confirm


I think creature loud makes or breaks this

If creature didn't get loud then ss might have jailed you n2 and bef could have fruited tlk

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Post Post #8638  (isolation #1532)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:23 am

In post 8632, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 8629, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8624, RCEnigma wrote:I think Profiis stickyfruit comment was glossed over. In the rolecard it is implied the stickyfruit has an ability. If the stickyfruit ability transfers itself to the receivers target then it isn't necessarily a cross claim.


In which case shouldn't bef know what it is and therefore be lying by omission?

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Why would Bef know what it is?


Wouldn't that be in his role card?

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Post Post #8641  (isolation #1533)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:25 am

why do I feel like ss cooked this up d1 and he is just giggling to himself post death now

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Post Post #8646  (isolation #1534)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:34 am

In post 8645, Thanos wrote:Creature received loud and targeted someone, they should be able to verify right?


Elsewhere yeah you should know right now thanos

Did creature loudly visit you ln?

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Post Post #8652  (isolation #1535)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:40 am

In post 8649, Thanos wrote:So this makes BEF scum? Wait how exactly again?


It means the crossclaim is a croasclaim it doesnt say the answer

1: profii lied and only sent fruit to tlk
2: bef fruited profii; ss jailed profii and bef fruited tlk

I think?

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Post Post #8669  (isolation #1536)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:03 am

In post 8666, Jingle wrote:
In post 8648, Thanos wrote:Oh yeah, he targeted me lol. Checked PMs and there's nothing. He can't be loud.


If Creat is trueclaiming he's disloyal. Thus if you are town he wouldn't have succeeded with an action on you if he was town and you wouldn't have received loud notifications.


so since creature says he failed every night that would mean we need to hear from him whether he received loud or not?

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Post Post #8700  (isolation #1537)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:36 pm

In post 8674, Jingle wrote:Oh btw, I gave inaccurate self meta earlier. I did replace into scum in Succinct mafia, then promptly openwolfed until they lynched me.


J/w but what is the implication of this or why did you say it?

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Post Post #8707  (isolation #1538)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:40 pm

Profii what's your night 4?-d
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Post Post #8711  (isolation #1539)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:42 pm

In post 8709, profii wrote:
In post 8707, DrewVa wrote:Profii what's your night 4?-d

I holstered my hood shot


Why would you holster a hood shot?

when did you enter your hood with nero?

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Post Post #8714  (isolation #1540)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:43 pm

In post 8708, profii wrote:So we are theorising that there is more than 1 sticky fruit in play and BEF didn’t admit it?

He won the n1 game right? So possibly got an extra charge to do that?

That actually does make sense - so i am guessing Creature isn’t going to be loud as that really fits so yeah we wait

Assuming my fruit vanished in Jail :-/


That is why we need creature to confirm he is loud, yes

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Post Post #8715  (isolation #1541)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:45 pm

Bef lost n1 so multiple sticky fruit would require him to not actually need charges or to have been 2 shot or to have been fed by nero which is why timing of your hood with nero matters

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Post Post #8719  (isolation #1542)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:55 pm

We have no night ability

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Post Post #8721  (isolation #1543)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:05 pm

It does not, and we can and have activated ourselves. Boon has confirmed to us that it is not a visiting role and that loyal/disloyal does not affect it.

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Post Post #8725  (isolation #1544)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:46 pm

In post 8724, BrightEyedFish wrote:Just like he told you there were multiple BOONus rooms?


We were in a Boonus room and had activated people to be in boonus rooms that were not in our boonus room, vis-a-vis there were multiple Boonus Rooms. Additionally:

In post 2, Boonskiies wrote:
BOONus Rounds• Along with the night phase, there will be the BOONus Rounds. When there are more than 18 players alive, 9 players will be chosen for this, more than 12, 6 players, and more than 6 players alive, 3 players. These BOONus Rounds will give potential Prizes to players, which you can then choose to keep for yourself, or anonymously give to other players. To make it fair, PRIORITY will be given to players who have not been involved in these rounds as the game goes on.



You yourself should have known that there were multiple Boonus rooms, given the start of game ruleset and basic math, since you were in a boonus room with us n1, and it did not have 9 players in it.

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Post Post #8728  (isolation #1545)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:54 pm

So BEF, you think the scum team is Profii + Penguin + DrewVa and the game is solved or what? Where are you going with this?

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Post Post #8729  (isolation #1546)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:01 pm

@Creature you still need to confirm if you got loud N2 thanks

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Post Post #8737  (isolation #1547)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:40 pm

In post 8736, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 8694, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8693, profii wrote:
In post 8652, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8649, Thanos wrote:So this makes BEF scum? Wait how exactly again?


It means the crossclaim is a croasclaim it doesnt say the answer

1: profii lied and only sent fruit to tlk
2: bef fruited profii; ss jailed profii and bef fruited tlk

I think?

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2 doesn’t make sense to me unless we are all scum

I got the fruit

If I was in jail and BEF is scum he would know S_S jailed me

I’m confused?


Don't worry, I'm starting to think drew is flailing scum. Their planned mislynching of us has fallen apart. D has resorted to snorting in disbelief at most posts. Nancy has withdrawn from our tet-a-tet completely. They are running off the rails.


You’re a freaking genius





or probably just scum. :]



That or you OD on BEF koolade.


Just trying to figure out which.
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Post Post #8738  (isolation #1548)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:44 pm

In post 8733, Xtoxm wrote:BEF walking into a 1v1 that conf deaths him within 2 days seems less likely to come from scum


As Jingle observed, it's safe to say that BEF was not aware he was walking into a mechanical 1v1 as either alignment -- if he was town he would have claimed as soon as our slot claimed Town Grifter (referred to by everyone as 'activate' lately), if he was scum it makes little sense for him to create this 1v1.

I have been trying to eliminate the possibility that this is somehow an NAR issue and that it's T/T, given BEF struck me as very townie in the way he claimed, however most options still come back to "one of the two has to be lying." If the sticky fruit could travel to multiple people in one night, that would mean he was lying about his role card afaik.

I have confirmed from Boon that profii could in fact target PP with sticky fruit and Creature with Loud the same night without multitasking, so there's no convenient scumclaim there that would settle this.

It would help if Creature actually confirmed whether or not he got the loud so that we could confirm that theory 2 is a real possibility.

Theory 1: Profii sent the sticky fruit to TLK and lied about it to implicate TLK and create a very confusing mechanical quasi 1v1 d2. Weird play as scum.

Theory 2: BEF sent the sticky fruit to Profii n1, then had S_S jail Profii n2, while sending the sticky fruit to TLK, thus generating a mechanical 1v1 between the supersaint and the variant role inventor.

Theory 3: There is some other explanation.

The problem with theory 3 is that, if the sticky fruit can only travel to one person each night as the role card on page 1 suggests, then I don't see how BEF is not lying about his rolecard for it to somehow end up at TLK. If BEF is a 'variant sticky fruit vendor' then he is lying about being a normal sticky fruit vendor.

Theory 4: Mod/human error.

No idea how to play around this, but we did get TLK to confirm his statements multiple times, and I feel like if Boon had actually made a mistake he would have said so real life weeks ago. I will say that I have asked the duck a couple questions about this, and his answers have on one key point actually differed from Boon's, so I don't think the mechanics of everything here is super obvious. (The duck was not aware that Profii could vend the sticky fruit to one person and still target creature with a separate night action without multitasking; boon said he could. Still not enough to make me think mod error, though, given boon's response matches profii's description of his choices at night.)

My top priority since this began has been eliminating the possibilty that Profii and BEF are both T/T and that this is not actually a true mechanical 1v1, but so far I see now way that is possible given the information we have at hand.

I have tried to eliminate the following risks:
-One of the three variant/boon roles is not a variant/boon role. As far as I can tell, all three must be variant/boon roles so a redirector cannot exist.

-The sticky fruit did not act as we expected. I don't see how this is possible; if the sticky fruit travels to each person who is targeting someone else, then it should have ended up on PenguinPower night 1. Profii has confirmed he still had the sticky fruit night 2.

-BEF did not understand his role. We have talked to BEF about his role at length at this point and I don't see how this is a possibility.

I keep trying to find something that makes this not a 1v1 and I keep coming up short. This is leaving me to conclude that either Theory 1 or Theory 2 is the most likely to be the case and this is an actual 1v1.

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Post Post #8739  (isolation #1549)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:44 pm

In post 8696, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8695, PenguinPower wrote:Drew can't be scum unless you can explain to me how my loyal neighborizer shot worked on scum.


If you are scum then your loyal would have worked on scum!drew


:lol: :lol: :lol:

That’s right, scum!Penguin used loyal on us to create a hood because scum chat was too crowded.

You know there comes a point, where you have to stop believing that someone is the worst player in the history of Mafia and realize that they have to be scum.
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Post Post #8741  (isolation #1550)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:50 pm

In post 8698, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 8696, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8695, PenguinPower wrote:Drew can't be scum unless you can explain to me how my loyal neighborizer shot worked on scum.


If you are scum then your loyal would have worked on scum!drew


:roll:

I obviously meant from the perspective that I'm town because...ya know...I know I'm town.

Wow...


BEF’s post, isn’t worth losing any brain cells over.

But he ironically gave me a good laugh. :lol:
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Post Post #8743  (isolation #1551)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:54 pm

In post 8742, Xtoxm wrote:have you 100% confirmed with the mod that your role is a variant?
activate is listed as a role in the opening mod posts
it sounds like you have but just to confirm


As I have said, the word "activate" is not in our role card.

Our role name is "Town Grifter" which is not a role in post 0 and therefore seems like it must therefore be a variant. I asked the duck and he said "if it's not on page 1 it should be a variant" basically. I can try double checking with Boon again

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Post Post #8745  (isolation #1552)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:56 pm

In post 8743, DrewVa wrote:As I have said, the word "activate" is not in our role card.


or not in our role name, anyway. it is in the mechanical text but not the role name at the top which is the part that seems to be important

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Post Post #8746  (isolation #1553)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:12 pm

If Creature pops in here and only comments on how stupid the stickyfruit discussion is can someone ask him to confirm whether he got the loud on n2 in case he just glazes over where I asked him about that

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Post Post #8750  (isolation #1554)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:14 pm

In post 8703, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8702, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 8693, profii wrote:2 doesn’t make sense to me unless we are all scum

I got the fruit

If I was in jail and BEF is scum he would know S_S jailed me

I’m confused?


BEF gave you fruit N1. Knowing this, and that you said you would send it to your loyal guy N2, S_S jailed you and BEF gave TLK fruit as a setup.

That's how I read it.


This would all depend on BEF having more than 1 shot though, right?


Not BEF, SS.

Maybe one of the N1 or 2 winners gifted a +1 to him?
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Post Post #8751  (isolation #1555)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:19 pm

In post 8706, Nev and Max wrote:And your chain of events makes things look worse for you, because you were the one who prompted tlk to out his gift.


How so? If anything it helps confitown Penguin because he was obviously trying to alignment cop TLK and had TLK not received the stickyfruit, Penguin would have both prevented TLK mislynch and town!McQueen death.
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Post Post #8752  (isolation #1556)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:20 pm

In post 8708, profii wrote:So we are theorising that there is more than 1 sticky fruit in play and BEF didn’t admit it?

He won the n1 game right? So possibly got an extra charge to do that?

That actually does make sense - so i am guessing Creature isn’t going to be loud as that really fits so yeah we wait

Assuming my fruit vanished in Jail :-/


No, we won, Alonzo and BEF both lost.
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Post Post #8753  (isolation #1557)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:20 pm

In post 8709, profii wrote:
In post 8707, DrewVa wrote:Profii what's your night 4?-d

I holstered my hood shot


Why would you do that?
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Post Post #8754  (isolation #1558)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:22 pm

In post 8716, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8710, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 8706, Nev and Max wrote:And your chain of events makes things look worse for you, because you were the one who prompted tlk to out his gift.


Because I sent him fruit N2 after being loyalized and I wanted to see if I got a guilty or not.

Like...did you read my explanation that I posted earlier today?


I did. My gut is saying it's just too cutesy. Like you are just one cog in the plan dreamed up to set forth the whole tlk lynch, and the end of day shenanigans, and the start of today...

It was a catalyst that came just at the right time, which makes it feel manufactured to me.


:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

@DVa, why did we unvote this again?
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Post Post #8755  (isolation #1559)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:24 pm

In post 8718, davesaz wrote:On mobile. Drewva your activate is day. What is your night ability?
Profii you have both inventor and neighborizer. Isn't that a joat? If not then how do you have two roles?

In post 8719, DrewVa wrote:We have no night ability

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We don’t, we won N1 and picked 1-shot vig.

N3 we won and gifted SS with loud.
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Post Post #8756  (isolation #1560)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:26 pm

In post 8721, DrewVa wrote:It does not, and we can and have activated ourselves. Boon has confirmed to us that it is not a visiting role and that loyal/disloyal does not affect it.

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Any modifiers at all, including macho or weak. Not even going to bother mentioning loud, for obvious reasons. :lol:
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Post Post #8757  (isolation #1561)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:28 pm

In post 8723, PenguinPower wrote:Phew. Glad I guessed what the mod was going to say about that when dreaming up my plan.

In post 8724, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 8721, DrewVa wrote:It does not, and we can and have activated ourselves. Boon has confirmed to us that it is not a visiting role and that loyal/disloyal does not affect it.

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Just like he told you there were multiple BOONus rooms?


I think BEF is either the ultimate genius mafia player or just scum. I should start a betting pool.
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Post Post #8758  (isolation #1562)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:31 pm

In post 8727, BrightEyedFish wrote:I also remember your "if" comment.



Spoiler:
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Post Post #8759  (isolation #1563)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:31 pm

In post 8728, DrewVa wrote:So BEF, you think the scum team is Profii + Penguin + DrewVa and the game is solved or what? Where are you going with this?

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Post Post #8760  (isolation #1564)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:33 pm

In post 8731, Xtoxm wrote:VOTE: profii
he was in my town core too
if these both end up being town then TLK fucked us


How did TLK fuck us exactly?
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Post Post #8761  (isolation #1565)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:38 pm

In post 8735, Xtoxm wrote:its entirely possible that im giving bef more credit than he deserves
if drewva wants bef first i'll sheep it
we have a 1v1 i want to resolve it
so i picked the one that made more sense to me
i havent actually read far back enough to see his claim since you guys spammed the thread again, i just saw enough to gather the situation


It’s suspicious af that he never claimed giving sf to Profil and pushed TLK mislynch, when he he pused town!Ram mislynch N2. He was also dead set on Elsa being lynched over scum!Smart.

Am I missing anything, @BEF?
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Post Post #8763  (isolation #1566)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:55 pm

In post 8762, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 8760, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8731, Xtoxm wrote:VOTE: profii
he was in my town core too
if these both end up being town then TLK fucked us


How did TLK fuck us exactly?


If both are town it means TLK probably didn't have the stickyfruit which is what this 1v1 is based on.


But why would he lie about that and claim to not have received Pengin fruit?
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Post Post #8765  (isolation #1567)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:11 pm

In post 8764, Elsa Jay wrote:Holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit.



PRAISE THE SUN, FOR I HAVE BECOME ENCHANTED ONCE MORE.


is it weird that posts like this make me think Elsa might be town lol

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Post Post #8769  (isolation #1568)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:24 pm

In post 8768, Nev and Max wrote:This theory would need BEF to have gained a shot somewhere. Where did the extra shot come from when BEF lost his game night 1?


There is no indication that every PR in the setup is one-shot; Profii claims his variant role is not one-shot, my variant role is not one-shot, and there is therefore no reason to conclude that the boon role of sticky fruit vendor would be one-shot, especially if it was a scum sticky fruit vendor in this setup. Therefore we do not need to demonstrate that BEF is a one-shot SFV given all we have to support that argument is his word on that matter.

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Post Post #8770  (isolation #1569)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:26 pm

In post 8766, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8723, PenguinPower wrote:Phew. Glad I guessed what the mod was going to say about that when dreaming up my plan.


Not to seem confbiased, but if thats something that i am thinking about then scum probably thought about it to, and would have asked that question in a PM or in their confessional. I doubt Boon would answer if that question was asked before.

This just means that your fate is now directly tied to drews.


Yeah because we’re both town. Damn! you’re good at this.
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Post Post #8772  (isolation #1570)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:28 pm

In post 8771, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8750, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8703, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8702, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 8693, profii wrote:2 doesn’t make sense to me unless we are all scum

I got the fruit

If I was in jail and BEF is scum he would know S_S jailed me

I’m confused?


BEF gave you fruit N1. Knowing this, and that you said you would send it to your loyal guy N2, S_S jailed you and BEF gave TLK fruit as a setup.

That's how I read it.


This would all depend on BEF having more than 1 shot though, right?


Not BEF, SS.

Maybe one of the N1 or 2 winners gifted a +1 to him?


Thats kind of what im getting at there chief. BEF lost his n1 game, and sent the fruit to profii night 1. For him to have taken another shot someone on his scum team would have had to win a game and send the prize his way. Boon already said that the +1 and prize were tied together, so if you send 1 you send the other.

There was another issue i remember where we had an extra modifier from a night iirc. We can look back and see who were winners in n1s game to see who could have sent bef another charge. At least 1 scum would be in the alive winners of n1.


What about n2?
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Post Post #8781  (isolation #1571)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 pm

In post 8780, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 8775, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8769, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8768, Nev and Max wrote:This theory would need BEF to have gained a shot somewhere. Where did the extra shot come from when BEF lost his game night 1?


There is no indication that every PR in the setup is one-shot; Profii claims his variant role is not one-shot, my variant role is not one-shot, and there is therefore no reason to conclude that the boon role of sticky fruit vendor would be one-shot, especially if it was a scum sticky fruit vendor in this setup. Therefore we do not need to demonstrate that BEF is a one-shot SFV given all we have to support that argument is his word on that matter.

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So BEF lied about being 1 shot? Why give it to town at all?


Why does BEF push TLK wagon? He has pushed mislynches on Ram, TLK and recently tried to push Elsa over scum!Smart.
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Post Post #8782  (isolation #1572)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:40 pm

In post 8777, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 8773, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8751, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8706, Nev and Max wrote:And your chain of events makes things look worse for you, because you were the one who prompted tlk to out his gift.


How so? If anything it helps confitown Penguin because he was obviously trying to alignment cop TLK and had TLK not received the stickyfruit, Penguin would have both prevented TLK mislynch and town!McQueen death.


And I can come up with a story explaining my theory as well. Neither of us have any proof to support our claims, and we each see merit in our own version of events. Im not going to get into a wall off trying to prove my point, because I cant.

I can point out that if we are 1v1 Bef v Profii i need someone to explain why scumBEF gives the sticky fruit to town!profii night 1?


Good point but why does scum!Prof give sticky fruit to town!TLK?

Profil claims to have given loyal to Penguin and he used loyal on us with the hood, doesn’t that town confirm Profil? Well obviously it would to us, since we obviously know our alignment.

Also something to consider, do you really think scum would have a public activate role?
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Post Post #8809  (isolation #1573)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:08 pm

In post 8807, Jingle wrote:Glad that everyone else has gotten to the same place as me.

VOTE: End Day


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Post Post #8810  (isolation #1574)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:08 pm

I think he means the loud people have LOL

I still want Creature to confirm he didn't get the f'n loud n2

I don't want to drop any more wallposts in thread until I get that

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Post Post #8811  (isolation #1575)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:09 pm

In post 8783, Creature wrote:
In post 8778, Creature wrote:
In post 8614, DrewVa wrote:@Creature you still need to confirm you got loud n2

I feel like I did get, but I can't find it in a PM or in the confessional and mod didn't confirm anything.

Welp, I don't have the loud modifier.


@DVa, aren’t you mixing up Creature with Una? - who RCE claimed to be a vanilla?
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Post Post #8812  (isolation #1576)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:10 pm

oh fuck how'd I miss that

so yeah this is a true 1v1, and profii was probably jailed by S_S

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Post Post #8813  (isolation #1577)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:11 pm

In post 8784, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8777, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 8773, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8751, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8706, Nev and Max wrote:And your chain of events makes things look worse for you, because you were the one who prompted tlk to out his gift.


How so? If anything it helps confitown Penguin because he was obviously trying to alignment cop TLK and had TLK not received the stickyfruit, Penguin would have both prevented TLK mislynch and town!McQueen death.


And I can come up with a story explaining my theory as well. Neither of us have any proof to support our claims, and we each see merit in our own version of events. Im not going to get into a wall off trying to prove my point, because I cant.

I can point out that if we are 1v1 Bef v Profii i need someone to explain why scumBEF gives the sticky fruit to town!profii night 1?


Good point but why does scum!Prof give sticky fruit to town!TLK?

Profil claims to have given loyal to Penguin and he used loyal on us with the hood, doesn’t that town confirm Profil? Well obviously it would to us, since we obviously know our alignment.

Also something to consider, do you really think scum would have a public activate role?


Well, isnt the story that profii sent the fruit to the same person he made loyal? So Prof would have sent the fruit to PP. PP sent regular fruit to tlk. TLK ended up with the sticky which would have made him ascetic, and would have been the reason PPs regular fruit failed.

So the question is how did the fruit get from prof to tlk?


But Penguin got his loud and used it on us, that’s how he knows we’re town. I still have no explanation for the sticky thing.
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Post Post #8814  (isolation #1578)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:12 pm

In post 8811, DrewVa wrote:@DVa, aren’t you mixing up Creature with Una? - who RCE claimed to be a vanilla?


no, Nancy, profii claims to have given Creature the loud modifier n2, the same time that he was vending the sticky fruit to penguinpower. That both actions fails confirms that from Profii's point of view, he was in fact roleblocked (jailed) n2, which suggests that from a profii point of view the likelihood that BEF is actually scum here is very high

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Post Post #8815  (isolation #1579)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:12 pm

In post 8813, DrewVa wrote:But Penguin got his loud and used it on us,


Nancy, Penguin got his loyal, not his loud, try not to mix up the modifiers, this is confusing enough for everyone already

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Post Post #8817  (isolation #1580)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:20 pm

In post 8738, DrewVa wrote:, while sending the sticky fruit to TLK, thus generating a mechanical 1v1 between the supersaint and the variant role inventor.


in this theory, someone, probably S_S, came up with the idea to create a mechanical cross-claim between two town, by using the jailkeep to create wifom in addition to BEF's role, which here would presumably be an every-night sticky fruit vendor.

So BEF n1 -- fruits profii
BEF n2 -- fruit sTLK
BEF n3 -- Maybe Elsa (if Elsa is scum BP)?
BEF n4 -- maybe Jingle (if Jingle is not town commuter)?

like bearing in mind how many people have either acted like commuters, have some sort of ascetic modifier, or have had a wide range of actions fail on them, it is not impossible that a scum sticky fruit vendor has in fact been vending sticky fruit to scum.

This is the line of reasoning I believe that Jingle was following (which would imply perhaps that Jingle is actually a town commuter perhaps), that is, that scum sticky fruit vendor would make sense in a setup where there are so many loyalized actions, where players like Profii can create loyalized visitors, etc. etc. From a setup/design perspective, BEF's role sounds like a scum counter to Profii's role, although that in and of itself should not convince anyone, just something I noticed.

Additionally, there is an argument to be made that the sticky fruit vendor is at best a kind of town miller. It is a role that, unless modified with a pro-town modifier like loyal, is explicitly anti-utility, given town's need to create mechanical clears through loyal/disloyal actions.

When we are thinking about BEF's play, another question emerges: BEF says he vended to profii n1 because he was worried he would die and he wanted to use it. But, BEF had entered a boonus room where he saw that he could get a loyal modifier, potentially. This being the case, why would he not hold his sticky fruit shot and ask to be gifted a loyal modifier, which would in effect turn his negative utility action for town (vending sticky fruit) into a pro-town action?

So there is at least some merit to Jingle's argument that BEF may be a useful lynch to eliminate wifom regardless of role, ESPECIALLY if we do conclude that this is a true mechanical 1v1 between Profii and BEF. Given Creature's testimony that he has not been made loud, this reinforces the evidence pointing toward a true mechanical 1v1.

For BEF scum there are:
-Arguments from setup spec (sticky fruit vendor seems like a pro-scum role)
-Arguments from play (pushing the dayrep theory, although actually there was one little part of that I didn't hate, but he's way over-emphasized it)
-Arguments for eliminating wifom (if we are wrong, profii should be caught scum, and at least we would know there are not additional sticky fruit floating around the setup, eliminating the strength of our clears)

For BEF town though there are:
-Arguments from tone (his frustration with me in particular in certain respects could easily come from town)
-Arguments from motive (it's not clear why he claimed in the way he did today as scum; and if he did, it may have been a mistake)

vs.

For Profii scum there is:
-Arguments from presence (I feel like profii usually has a bit more presence in the thread as town)

For Profii town there is:
-Arguments from pro-town actions and attentiveness (Profii made PP loyal, because profii believed that PP was a fruit vendor. This suggests profii was actively thinking about how to use his role in a pro-town way from very early on in the game)
-Arguments from tone (Profii has seemed pretty genuinely confused by today's discussion)
-Arguments from point of view (Profii was aware that he could vend a sticky fruit and use a night action at the same time, which is not something I would have thought was possible, but is possible--him knowing this increases the plausibility at least that he did intend to actually send the sticky fruit to a different target than his night action)

Given I believe there are some arguments on each side, this also raises another question:
Should town resolve this 1v1 today? We have multiple loyal/disloyal actions, etc. And here we might consider Jingle's argument -- if we're wrong about BEF, we will have significantly more wifom in regard to proving night actions. Even a green flip on BEF as a mislynch is not explicitly bad for the town in terms of helping us solve the game and create the strongest pro-town endgame.

While N&M may not be keen on the idea, my preference would be for him to be leashed to PenguinPower, to ensure that Penguin gets his fruit off tonight and is alive tomorrow.

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Post Post #8818  (isolation #1581)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:21 pm

Given all the available evidence, testimony, and the nature of the setup, I support a BEF lynch today.

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Post Post #8827  (isolation #1582)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:56 pm

In post 8822, Nev and Max wrote:BEF has the ability to be recharged.


an ability that is strictly pro-scum...? We *don't want BEF using his ability* ... how do you not get that?

BEF, as town, should never have sent any sticky fruit, unless his only concern was proving that his role is real. If he had vended to scum, it would be lowkey gamethrowing. And if profii was scum, then he opted to go for a weird quasi 1v1. It's not impossible.

And if we do want to play devil's advocate, there are some outstanding questions for profii:

-What was his reasoning in choosing to use his ascetic shot at all? Why would he make Una ascetic? How was that a pro-town decision?
-Why did he not use his neighborhood shot last night? Wouldn't he want to prove that the shot was real, given that it was given to him by scum?
-Why has he not been more forthcoming about the timing of his neighborhood with Nero, given the timing of Nero's neighborhood shot is significant for understand who possibly fed scum +1 charges n1?

These are worthwhile questions, but my current theory is that profii can still answer them to satisfaction and that we will conclude that BEF is the better lynch. I'm not in a rush to end the day before profii addresses these points if people do want to advance him as the lynch for today.

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Post Post #8829  (isolation #1583)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:57 pm

In post 8824, Nev and Max wrote:Nothing to support either of these claims. Not sure why you are speculating on this aspect.


I'm speculating on this aspect to observe that a sticky fruit-vendor has significant potential pro-scum utility.

Frankly I think our mechanical townblock should be even bigger than it is right now

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Post Post #8836  (isolation #1584)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:01 pm

In post 8830, Nev and Max wrote:We also dont really know what profii is.


Hasn't una confirmed the ascetic and Penguin confirmed the loyal? Profii's role now that we have fully discussed it has a fair amount of evidence backing it. What is less certain is his alignment. But town or scum, profii is probably an inventor at this point.

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Post Post #8849  (isolation #1585)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:15 pm

In post 8814, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8811, DrewVa wrote:@DVa, aren’t you mixing up Creature with Una? - who RCE claimed to be a vanilla?


no, Nancy, profii claims to have given Creature the loud modifier n2, the same time that he was vending the sticky fruit to penguinpower. That both actions fails confirms that from Profii's point of view, he was in fact roleblocked (jailed) n2, which suggests that from a profii point of view the likelihood that BEF is actually scum here is very high

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Yes, Profil was most likely jailkept by SS on n2. That would account for both TLK getting sticky fruit over Penguin and Creature not getting loud.
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Post Post #8851  (isolation #1586)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:16 pm

In post 8815, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8813, DrewVa wrote:But Penguin got his loud and used it on us,


Nancy, Penguin got his loyal, not his loud, try not to mix up the modifiers, this is confusing enough for everyone already

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It was a typo. It was obvious what I meant. :roll:
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Post Post #8852  (isolation #1587)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:16 pm

In post 8843, Elsa Jay wrote:DrewVa, if your positive on Fishy boy, I'll go with you, but so far I've been right 1/8 times. I think you can trust my judgement when I say Nev isn't going to be a helpful being.


I actually don't entirely disagree. I was discussing with Penguin and Nancy about whether we should use investigatives on Profii/BEF and actually lynch N&M, given his desire to disrupt townblock formation and generate wifom.

Penguin believes that the town will not support this proposition. I honestly was seriously considering it before Creature confirmed that he did not receive the loud. With Creature confirming he did not get the loud, there's an increasing range of evidence to suggest that the mechanical 1v1 needs to be resolved.

However, if the town feels like there is potential value in a N&M lynch, and using the combined investigative assets of the town to try to get a result on one of BEF or profii, this is a possibility.

The problem comes back to whether we believe BEF is town, though. If he is scum, then he has already vended sticky fruit to a scum buddy, and they can vend it back to him tonight thus disrupting any direct results on him. But if Profii is scum, then he should not have access to sticky fruit, and therefore we should be able to get a result though, now that the loyal fruit mechanic is outed, he likely claims fruit regardless of alignment. Thus, the fruiting needs to not be leashed. Still, if we wanted, we could theoretically lynch N&M and leash Creature to profii, thus confirming him as town and preventing the risk of a series of mislynches over a mechanical issue.

The question is then whether N&M's level of distraction and annoyance is greater than the mechanical clarity that would be generated by a BEF flip. I haven't really been discussing this possibility given that there is still ongoing discussion irt BEF/profii and I don't feel then need to hijack that before all issues with profii slot are resolved.

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Post Post #8854  (isolation #1588)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:18 pm

In post 8844, Nev and Max wrote:Didnt you claim that sticky fruit is a negative utility? Why would Una receiving ascetic from profii then be considered a protown thing?


that is precisely my question actually, I'm not sure why you think we disagree on that particular point

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Post Post #8857  (isolation #1589)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:21 pm

In post 8822, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8817, DrewVa wrote:which here would presumably be an every-night sticky fruit vendor.


I stopped reading here.

BEF is not the lynch for today, profii is.

Profii has spent his shots and is in the 1v1.
BEF has the ability to be recharged.

The person with the most potential town benefit lives to see another day. Show me how im wrong.


Both you and BEF also wanted Elsa over SS. :shifty:
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Post Post #8864  (isolation #1590)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:27 pm

In post 8843, Elsa Jay wrote:I know there's a case for the 1v1 for Profii and BEF, but this.... Nev has gone psychotic. We seriously don't know what to do here.

DrewVa, if your positive on Fishy boy, I'll go with you, but so far I've been right 1/8 times. I think you can trust my judgement when I say Nev isn't going to be a helpful being.


It’s not that we’re opposed but there’s too much resistance to an N & M wagon. Yeah, I think 2/3 scum in BEF/N & M.
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Post Post #8865  (isolation #1591)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:27 pm

In post 8856, Nev and Max wrote:You are essentially saying that you now want to lynch me to silence me. Because I have an opposing view that is starting to poke holes into your stance? Because I can spin a narrative just as likely since we are both working off the same info? What are you gonna do ask me to come to the embassy and have a bone saw waitnig?


No, you were basically the towncore's consensus lynch before the mechanical 1v1 began. While a few people had misgivings about your claim, and some have liked your play today, if we were lynching based on play/reads over mechanics, you would be today's lynch. Your play today fits much more into your scum game, you have misrepresented several points, etc. If you are not lynched today, I probably ask Creature to be leashed to you, given that you are likely scum. (Jingle could debate this point, given that Jingle feels investigatives should form a mechanical townblock over scumhunting, but this is a strategic point we disagree on)

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Post Post #8869  (isolation #1592)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:30 pm

In post 8848, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 8845, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8843, Elsa Jay wrote:I know there's a case for the 1v1 for Profii and BEF, but this.... Nev has gone psychotic. We seriously don't know what to do here.

DrewVa, if your positive on Fishy boy, I'll go with you, but so far I've been right 1/8 times. I think you can trust my judgement when I say Nev isn't going to be a helpful being.


Help us figure this all out, or shut the fuck up.

And don't say anything else about mental health.


The lne thing you got from that is mental health? The fuck?


Nev/FF is using gross AtE to manipulate this game, which in no world reads townie.
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Post Post #8873  (isolation #1593)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:32 pm

In post 8850, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8846, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 8838, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8835, PenguinPower wrote:I don't disagree with you on Elsa...but you were calling S_S town over Elsa the entire time and were wrong...soo......


Show me. My recollection is that both had to die.


Yes...you said both should die. But you defended S_S and claimed he was more town...similar to what you are doing here (bolded town callouts):

Spoiler: Here ya go
In post 6567, Nev and Max wrote:Still rather have EJ flip then SS


In post 6619, Nev and Max wrote:Pointing out that Elsa also has lied is gross? You're the one pointing out that S_S already lied. Is what's good for the gander not good for the goose?

In post 6636, Nev and Max wrote:I suppose we are just going to have to see things differently here. You are vilifying S_S for lying in such a way that would trap Elsa. Elsa has lied multiple times in this game and you hand wave that away.

Which is more gross?


In post 6646, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 6644, Something_Smart wrote:I believed his claim. But I also figured that with all the people calling for his head he'd be lynched at some point, and I wanted to take advantage of that.


Every time I try to make sense of the lynch and it's voting I keep coming back town side on SS and scum on Elsa for motivation.

Hell, they could both be scum and this is one hell of a power play from them both...



In post 6843, Nev and Max wrote:I think you are conveniently ignoring the fact that your action is just as complicit in the death of Mc. And considering the reasoning behind S_S's actions were premeditated and has town intent where your action is passive and has a high scum equity to it, it leads me to see you as nothing but opportunistic scum.



Fun quote given what you are saying today:
In post 6601, Nev and Max wrote:If he is telling the truth we lynch scum in you. If he is lying he dies tomorrow.


BONUS QUOTE:
In post 7009, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
In post 7005, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 6971, Creature wrote:Hmm, didn't know I was a day rep

townclearing for Creature, or no?

interestingly, ej has n&m and ss as scum.
n&m has creat as tr.

Incredible.

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Not sure what any of this does to support your point that I wanted 1 before the other but thought that both were scum... we havent switched our read on elsa, and she hasnt done anything to change my opinion. And yeah, if we lynched elsa and she flipped town I would have wanted to lynch SS the next day. Thanks for pointing out what ive been trying to tell you. Do you get it now?


Yeah, you’re on the wrong wagon for the second time in a row?
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Post Post #8876  (isolation #1594)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:35 pm

In post 8858, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 8853, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8848, Elsa Jay wrote:The lne thing you got from that is mental health? The fuck?


If you dont get that it was the only part that crossed the line then....


Sigh. One of the fellas who get very offended, huh?

Pedit: Oh jeez. More word babble from Nev. The fella who was legitimately more scummy day 4 then Smart himself.


The same guy, who wanted to lynch empty Theta slot, to help out the mod. What a champ. I’m sure Boon really appreciated his efforts. :lol:
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Post Post #8880  (isolation #1595)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:37 pm

In post 8861, Elsa Jay wrote:Well telling me to shut the fuck up isn't particularly PC either. If you want the Moral high ground at the very least don't swear.

In post 8862, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 8856, Nev and Max wrote:Where did you get this plan from? Mussolini? Stalin? Mao?


Are you serious with this?

First you associate me with Nazism. You're getting a bit out of control.


@Elsa, I rest my case. The same guy who is giving you shit is calling Pengin a fascist.
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Post Post #8883  (isolation #1596)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:40 pm

In post 8871, Elsa Jay wrote:Doctor, his psychosis is getting worse. We may have to put him down.


lmao
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Post Post #8885  (isolation #1597)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:41 pm

Yeah I'm not really reading the AtE in this page, but Xtoxm I believe is still on Profii so I don't want us to hammer Day End until everyone who believes we should lynch profii over BEF has their say. N&M has made their stance... clear I guess. But there are a lot of other people who haven't really checked in. I probably will need to quote my wallposts given I believe they were drowned out in the shouting match at present.

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Post Post #8887  (isolation #1598)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:43 pm

In post 8875, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8869, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8848, Elsa Jay wrote:
In post 8845, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 8843, Elsa Jay wrote:I know there's a case for the 1v1 for Profii and BEF, but this.... Nev has gone psychotic. We seriously don't know what to do here.

DrewVa, if your positive on Fishy boy, I'll go with you, but so far I've been right 1/8 times. I think you can trust my judgement when I say Nev isn't going to be a helpful being.


Help us figure this all out, or shut the fuck up.

And don't say anything else about mental health.


The lne thing you got from that is mental health? The fuck?


Nev/FF is using gross AtE to manipulate this game, which in no world reads townie.


Are you fucking kidding me. This is the site that loses its shit when someone uses the wrong pronoun by accident. I am well within my right to ask someone to not say anything about mental health. And then for them to mock me as one of those fellas who gets offended is bullshit.

Any other situation and you wouldnt be saying this. So fuck you too.


Townlocking you for this


NOT.


Your behaviour is deliberately intended to disrupt town cohesion. You’re not convincing anyone with this crap.
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Post Post #8900  (isolation #1599)  » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:11 pm

Given that there's been a lot of noise in thread I'm making my wallpost catchup and trying to make it as digestible as possible.

Spoiler: DVa on the 1v1
In post 8738, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8733, Xtoxm wrote:BEF walking into a 1v1 that conf deaths him within 2 days seems less likely to come from scum


As Jingle observed, it's safe to say that BEF was not aware he was walking into a mechanical 1v1 as either alignment -- if he was town he would have claimed as soon as our slot claimed Town Grifter (referred to by everyone as 'activate' lately), if he was scum it makes little sense for him to create this 1v1.

I have been trying to eliminate the possibility that this is somehow an NAR issue and that it's T/T, given BEF struck me as very townie in the way he claimed, however most options still come back to "one of the two has to be lying." If the sticky fruit could travel to multiple people in one night, that would mean he was lying about his role card afaik.

I have confirmed from Boon that profii could in fact target PP with sticky fruit and Creature with Loud the same night without multitasking, so there's no convenient scumclaim there that would settle this.

It would help if Creature actually confirmed whether or not he got the loud so that we could confirm that theory 2 is a real possibility.

Theory 1: Profii sent the sticky fruit to TLK and lied about it to implicate TLK and create a very confusing mechanical quasi 1v1 d2. Weird play as scum.

Theory 2: BEF sent the sticky fruit to Profii n1, then had S_S jail Profii n2, while sending the sticky fruit to TLK, thus generating a mechanical 1v1 between the supersaint and the variant role inventor.

Theory 3: There is some other explanation.

The problem with theory 3 is that, if the sticky fruit can only travel to one person each night as the role card on page 1 suggests, then I don't see how BEF is not lying about his rolecard for it to somehow end up at TLK. If BEF is a 'variant sticky fruit vendor' then he is lying about being a normal sticky fruit vendor.

Theory 4: Mod/human error.

No idea how to play around this, but we did get TLK to confirm his statements multiple times, and I feel like if Boon had actually made a mistake he would have said so real life weeks ago. I will say that I have asked the duck a couple questions about this, and his answers have on one key point actually differed from Boon's, so I don't think the mechanics of everything here is super obvious. (The duck was not aware that Profii could vend the sticky fruit to one person and still target creature with a separate night action without multitasking; boon said he could. Still not enough to make me think mod error, though, given boon's response matches profii's description of his choices at night.)

My top priority since this began has been eliminating the possibilty that Profii and BEF are both T/T and that this is not actually a true mechanical 1v1, but so far I see now way that is possible given the information we have at hand.

I have tried to eliminate the following risks:
-One of the three variant/boon roles is not a variant/boon role. As far as I can tell, all three must be variant/boon roles so a redirector cannot exist.

-The sticky fruit did not act as we expected. I don't see how this is possible; if the sticky fruit travels to each person who is targeting someone else, then it should have ended up on PenguinPower night 1. Profii has confirmed he still had the sticky fruit night 2.

-BEF did not understand his role. We have talked to BEF about his role at length at this point and I don't see how this is a possibility.

I keep trying to find something that makes this not a 1v1 and I keep coming up short. This is leaving me to conclude that either Theory 1 or Theory 2 is the most likely to be the case and this is an actual 1v1.

-d


tl;dr: BEF vs profii looks like a real 1v1 that we should resolve with a flip.

Spoiler: DVa on who is the better lynch between profii and BEF
In post 8817, DrewVa wrote:
In post 8738, DrewVa wrote:, while sending the sticky fruit to TLK, thus generating a mechanical 1v1 between the supersaint and the variant role inventor.


in this theory, someone, probably S_S, came up with the idea to create a mechanical cross-claim between two town, by using the jailkeep to create wifom in addition to BEF's role, which here would presumably be an every-night sticky fruit vendor.

So BEF n1 -- fruits profii
BEF n2 -- fruit sTLK
BEF n3 -- Maybe Elsa (if Elsa is scum BP)?
BEF n4 -- maybe Jingle (if Jingle is not town commuter)?

like bearing in mind how many people have either acted like commuters, have some sort of ascetic modifier, or have had a wide range of actions fail on them, it is not impossible that a scum sticky fruit vendor has in fact been vending sticky fruit to scum.

This is the line of reasoning I believe that Jingle was following (which would imply perhaps that Jingle is actually a town commuter perhaps), that is, that scum sticky fruit vendor would make sense in a setup where there are so many loyalized actions, where players like Profii can create loyalized visitors, etc. etc. From a setup/design perspective, BEF's role sounds like a scum counter to Profii's role, although that in and of itself should not convince anyone, just something I noticed.

Additionally, there is an argument to be made that the sticky fruit vendor is at best a kind of town miller. It is a role that, unless modified with a pro-town modifier like loyal, is explicitly anti-utility, given town's need to create mechanical clears through loyal/disloyal actions.

When we are thinking about BEF's play, another question emerges: BEF says he vended to profii n1 because he was worried he would die and he wanted to use it. But, BEF had entered a boonus room where he saw that he could get a loyal modifier, potentially. This being the case, why would he not hold his sticky fruit shot and ask to be gifted a loyal modifier, which would in effect turn his negative utility action for town (vending sticky fruit) into a pro-town action?

So there is at least some merit to Jingle's argument that BEF may be a useful lynch to eliminate wifom regardless of role, ESPECIALLY if we do conclude that this is a true mechanical 1v1 between Profii and BEF. Given Creature's testimony that he has not been made loud, this reinforces the evidence pointing toward a true mechanical 1v1.

For BEF scum there are:
-Arguments from setup spec (sticky fruit vendor seems like a pro-scum role)
-Arguments from play (pushing the dayrep theory, although actually there was one little part of that I didn't hate, but he's way over-emphasized it)
-Arguments for eliminating wifom (if we are wrong, profii should be caught scum, and at least we would know there are not additional sticky fruit floating around the setup, eliminating the strength of our clears)

For BEF town though there are:
-Arguments from tone (his frustration with me in particular in certain respects could easily come from town)
-Arguments from motive (it's not clear why he claimed in the way he did today as scum; and if he did, it may have been a mistake)

vs.

For Profii scum there is:
-Arguments from presence (I feel like profii usually has a bit more presence in the thread as town)

For Profii town there is:
-Arguments from pro-town actions and attentiveness (Profii made PP loyal, because profii believed that PP was a fruit vendor. This suggests profii was actively thinking about how to use his role in a pro-town way from very early on in the game)
-Arguments from tone (Profii has seemed pretty genuinely confused by today's discussion)
-Arguments from point of view (Profii was aware that he could vend a sticky fruit and use a night action at the same time, which is not something I would have thought was possible, but is possible--him knowing this increases the plausibility at least that he did intend to actually send the sticky fruit to a different target than his night action)

Given I believe there are some arguments on each side, this also raises another question:
Should town resolve this 1v1 today? We have multiple loyal/disloyal actions, etc. And here we might consider Jingle's argument -- if we're wrong about BEF, we will have significantly more wifom in regard to proving night actions. Even a green flip on BEF as a mislynch is not explicitly bad for the town in terms of helping us solve the game and create the strongest pro-town endgame.

While N&M may not be keen on the idea, my preference would be for him to be leashed to PenguinPower, to ensure that Penguin gets his fruit off tonight and is alive tomorrow.

-d


tl;dr:
In post 8818, DrewVa wrote:Given all the available evidence, testimony, and the nature of the setup, I support a BEF lynch today.

-d


You: if that's the case, why hasn't your slot already voted to end day?

answer:
In post 8827, DrewVa wrote:[part of this post shortened]
there are some outstanding questions for profii:

-What was his reasoning in choosing to use his ascetic shot at all? Why would he make Una ascetic? How was that a pro-town decision?
-Why did he not use his neighborhood shot last night? Wouldn't he want to prove that the shot was real, given that it was given to him by scum?
-Why has he not been more forthcoming about the timing of his neighborhood with Nero, given the timing of Nero's neighborhood shot is significant for understanding who possibly fed scum +1 charges n1?

[...] I'm not in a rush to end the day before profii addresses these points if people do want to advance him as the lynch for today.

-d


In short, I'd like to confirm that we have a majority on BEF, and I'd like profii to answer a few last questions. After that, I am ready for a flip on BEF.

-d
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