Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[Creature]

2-shot

[Creature]

I was planning on claiming Odd/Even-Night initially to fool scum.

[Creature]

Cool, because my role makes more sense in an nsg setup than yours.

[Creature]

Yawn

VOTE: OkaPoka

[Creature]

I keep having this paranoia of three scum being alive and suddenly quickhammering whoever I vote.

[Creature]

Actually, it's possible for commuter and ascetic to both exist in this setup.

Like, follower and voyeur are opposites

Commuter and ascetic are also like both opposites

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

Meh, I'm starting to think Oka is more meant to be a negative utility.

[Creature]

Maybe both scum are just between the VT claims.

[Creature]

Actually, it's possible for commuter and ascetic to both exist in this setup.

Like, follower and voyeur are opposites

Commuter and ascetic are also like both opposites

Commuter and ascetic are not opposites... and this is a terrible analogy anyways?

Ascetic is basically vulnerable to kills while Commuter is the opposite.

[Creature]

they are ESSENTIALLY the SAME ROLE in that aspect.

except I can dodge scum kills while Oka can't.

[Creature]

Oh, you already followed that.

[Creature]

DDL and Kmd.

[Creature]

why does creature have a maga hat

I call it the far-left repellent.

[Creature]

Meh, I'm feeling like we should ignore the claims. The game was way more interesting without the claims.

[Creature]

It's either Limited Shot Commuter or Non-Consecutive (OddNight/EvenNight) Commuter

I explicitly claimed 2-shot

Odd-Night/Even-Night was my intended fakeclaim if I wanted to divert scum off me.

[Creature]

Why would a 2-shot commuter (What he claimed, but WIFOMed immediately) only commute N1?

N1 I was pretty undergamed and I didn't want to get killed early.

Then I saved my only other shot.

[Creature]

"The good known players (rb, Nero, Varsoon, Kmd) aren't doing much." and look who's turned up dead so far.

What about Dannflor? Why weren't you or Kmd killed last night?

[Creature]

Sometimes I also feel like Oka's activity went down too, but here we are.

[Creature]

I don't think I have any interest in voting BEF. Not in love with Dann's ISO of him and the whole "BEF killed RB b/c he was scumreading him!" applies to other slots as well. The only part that kinda gets me is the "but RB never voted BEF." but eh...

I'd flip

vork
KMD
varsoon
suka

before him.

[Creature]

How long till this game ends?

[Creature]

Hmm, why did we lynch BEF again?

[Creature]

Cool, because my role makes more sense in an nsg setup than yours.

UNVOTE:

Meh, I'm starting to think Oka is more meant to be a negative utility.

expand on these please

Initially I thought 5 town non-VTs sounded extreme, but let's take a look at what we have:

Follower = Like the only real important PR
Voyeur = Mostly useless
Universal Backup = Can at best backup follower
Commuter = Can only protect itself and can also burden investigatives
Ascetic = Can only burden investigatives

[Creature]

It looks really close to this game: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=76996

[Creature]

(I was town ascetic there)

[Creature]

so is ur gamesolve involving us lynching two from the vt claim pool?

No, I think we ignore claims (barring Suka's obviously).

[Creature]

The wheels on the train go round and round,
Round and round,
Round and round.
The wheels on the train go round and round,
All through the town.

The horn on the train goes choo, choo, choo,
Choo, choo, choo,
Choo, choo, choo.
The horn on the train goes choo, choo, choo
All through the town.

The people on the train go up and down.
Up and down.
Up and down.
The people on the train go up and down,
All through the town!

The wipers on the train go swish, swish, swish;
Swish, swish, swish,
Swish, swish, swish.
The wipers on the train go swish, swish, swish,
All through the town.

The chimney on the train goes puff, puff, puff
Puff, puff, puff,
Puff, puff, puff.
The chimney on the train goes puff, puff, puff
All through the town!

The dog on the train jumps up and down
Up and down
Up and down.
The dog on the train jumps up and down
All through the town!

The baby on the train goes wha, wha, wha
Wha, wha, wha,
Wha, wha, wha.
The baby on the train goes wha, wha, wha
All through the town!

The lights on the train go on and off
On and off;
On and off.
The lights on the train go on and off
All through the town!

The windows on the train go up and down
Up and down,
Up and down.
The windows on the train go up and down
All through the town!

[Creature]

Have we lost yet?

[Creature]

Also what's even the point of a town voyeur in this setup?

[Creature]

Damn, someone beat my postcount this game

[Creature]

Who is scum, creature?

idk, do you know who is?

[Creature]

lol if suka doesn't show, there's 100 pages of reading for the replacement to do, for 1 single vote.

I want to see them squirm.

[Creature]

I already know where to vote, but am feeling too sleepy to lay a case.

[Creature]

Hello

VOTE: OkaPoka

Hello, whose alt are you?

[Creature]

I think it's reasonable to deduce a BrightEyedFish and OkaPoka scumteam.

Hehe

Like you.

[Creature]

Hello

VOTE: OkaPoka

Hello, whose alt are you?

*taps nose*

I don't understand the difference, but you look a lot like Shoshin.

[Creature]

Creature, can you post a reads list please?

Varsoon, Kmd or DDL scum

rest town

[Creature]

VOTE: Varsoon

[Creature]

Yeah, we probably know each other well enough.

[Creature]

We should make this game great again.

[Creature]

Who are you talking to?

[Creature]

Oh, I didn't use "???" this game lol

[Creature]

I heard it's a scumtell from me, so I overuse ??? as town to piss them off, but sometimes I forget.

[Creature]

Sometimes I still feel paranoid about mbaki possibly being a next level scum player.

[Creature]

Creature, can you post a reads list please?

Varsoon, Kmd or DDL scum

rest town

So you have Oka cleared as town?

I know the claim looks bad, but the play doesn't.

[Creature]

also it feels like Varsoon is trying to line Oka and me as mislynches.

[Creature]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

[Creature]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

I like to think I haven't been beaten by scum at postcount at 400 and half something posts.

[Creature]

VOTE: Suka

You fucked up. I'm vt.

N1 - Varsoon - no action (consistent with claim)
N2 - mbaki - towny action, no need to claim
N3 - kmd - towny action, no need to claim

VT is not "townie action", it's no action.

Why I don't get paranoid of mbaki rn

[Creature]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

No. Infact, he has the opposite scum meta. Creature applying his own scum meta to read a player he isn't very familar with is dubious at best. Interesting.

I just in general find it hard for scum to get 450 posts at this point.

[Creature]

unless you're Nancy Drew 39 or MathBlade.

[Creature]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

I like to think I haven't been beaten by scum at postcount at 400 and half something posts.

I have posted more than that and won as scum. Same thing goes for many players, such as RC (who has definitely beat you as scum), Mathblade, etc. These players all post about equal as town and scum.

These players are all next level scum and I can't find a correct way to read them.

[Creature]

actually now I think you're one of them.

[Creature]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

I like to think I haven't been beaten by scum at postcount at 400 and half something posts.

I have posted more than that and won as scum. Same thing goes for many players, such as RC (who has definitely beat you as scum), Mathblade, etc. These players all post about equal as town and scum.

These players are all next level scum and I can't find a correct way to read them.

but I don't think Oka is one of these players.

[Creature]

unless you're Nancy Drew 39 or MathBlade.

Creature, a precursory skim of Oka's meta should tell you that Oka has very active scum meta.

I'm checking his history rn.

[Creature]

You are going to just sit on me this entire day aren't you?

Yes, you're a nice chair.

[Creature]

I mean at least sit down and read my iso instead of light skim

I wouldn't read 450+ posts.

[Creature]

@Varsoon: I'm sorry if you've said already, but could you rank the order of your reads? I would like to brainstorm with you.

I don't even remember everyone in the game.
If I had to order it off of what I can recall right now it'd be:
TOWN:
You
KMD
DDL
Mbaki
Oka
Creature
:SCUM

Though DDL, Mbaki, and Oka are all kinda on the same line.
I think I proposed a pool earlier?
Regardless

Yeah

Why is Kmd town?

[Creature]

I'm actually more inclined to listen to you about OkaPoka.

[Creature]

Varsoon insisting I gotta go first is like wtf, even as scum tbh.

[Creature]

though, I've already seen him doing wtf plays as scum like RC's Anything uPick.

[Creature]

Creature, why are you townreading OkaPoka?

Postcount

This is NAI for many players unless you have meta to back it up. Does Oka have a meta of lowposting as scum?

I like to think I haven't been beaten by scum at postcount at 400 and half something posts.

I have posted more than that and won as scum. Same thing goes for many players, such as RC (who has definitely beat you as scum), Mathblade, etc. These players all post about equal as town and scum.

These players are all next level scum and I can't find a correct way to read them.

Okay, but Oka apparently posts more as scum than town (-Moongrass, could use sources). Why would you assume posting less as scum is the default, and not just a playstyle thing? Because in my experience, more often than not, posting frequency is just a playstyle issue.

idk, lately I've seen players having slightly different posting frequencies as town and as scum. Also posting 450+ seems like hard.

Though now I've seen Oka posting almost 600 at a micro.

[Creature]

Meh, I know it's a bit hypochritical, but I believe atleast one of {Oka, Varsoon} must be scum.

[Creature]

could be even both actually

[Creature]

when ur bussing saudade u gotta post a lot to keep up with his 800 posts

Saudade is way more spam:content than I am.

[Creature]

implies that the team were not aware of the traitor's existence.

You're contradicting mafiascum's Holy Normal Bible.

[Creature]

Follower + Voyeur + Universal Backup + Ascetic + 2-shot Commuter vs Traitor Rolecop

where it's unlikely to get any significant result

Genius setup

[Creature]

Are you RC?

[Creature]

Or maybe you're Wisdom?

[Creature]

This is some Amrock level scum complaining tbh.

I would expect Amrock to be posting way more than this.

[Creature]

I'm skeptical about both, but I can get behind Oka.

[Creature]

This is some Amrock level scum complaining tbh.

I would expect Amrock to be posting way more than this.

On MU my record against Amrock (not including same alignment) is like 15-6 if I remember right. I haven't played with him on here.

I mean he would have higher posting frequency than this as any alignment.

[Creature]

Also he's Mulch here

[Creature]

Is mbaki Phighter?

[Creature]

Apparently trying to guess who mbaki is is more interesting than the actual game.

[Creature]

Should we roll a dice on who we lynch?

[Creature]

You still think Suka/Moongrass is a scum possibility?

[Creature]

Me too.

[Creature]

I saw 2201 and wondered if you still thought Suka could be scum.

[Creature]

If you can argue Oka's claim doesn't make sense in this setup, sure.

[Creature]

Kmd doesn't look to be doing anything.

FTFY

[Creature]

We're probably up for an AtE game.

[Creature]

you need to stop being blind to kmd

Do you have meta this is town!Kmd and couldn't be scum!Kmd? Don't need to say how.

[Creature]

Like, if you want I can treat Kmd as IC and beg for her to not be lynched the rest of the game if you give me the confidence.

[Creature]

I've reread a few parts of the game, and I can see a possible scum Creature.

???

[Creature]

Yeah, I think scum's plan is to just wait until town starts getting paranoid about each other.

[Creature]

You strive to be better you hypocritical jackass. You're sheeping somebody who wasn't here for most of the game, on town. I am still not voting you, despite you being the other major wagon AND being cased hard AND you voting me AND you actively refusing to put any real effort into the game, because for better or worse I still think you're town. I did my job of sorting you, despite the huge lack of help on your end via a lack of produced content. You didn't play the game, and now when you're back all you're doing is throwing. Moongrass is pushing me as partners with Oka, which is ludicrous reading day 2. I would say he is singlehandedly losing the endgame for town (because again - before he joined, DDL was in all odds the lynch, both his strongest town read (Creature) and his own god damn slot were voting it), but that wouldn't make sense because you're choosing to sheep him. Not that you show any interest in questioning him, no, that would be crazy! Even though he is pushing all lynches away from your top scum read, Creature, which you barely pursued at all. In fact, I don't think you've asked him about his Creature read once since he's joined despite that being your top scum read? Christ, writing this post I almost feel like I'm casing you and I should vote you here, but (and maybe I'm dumb for thinking this) I still don't think you're scum and lynching a town!you over me here is a game losing move.

[Creature]

VOTE: DDL

[Creature]

Apparently Moongrass is defending Kmd, so I'm going after the next LHF.

[Creature]

I need a couple more posts to get an average of 30.00 posts per day and then a couple more to beat DGB's postcount. Wanna help?

[Creature]

Maybe there's a way to test Varsoon's claim by making him target me and then I randing the 1-shot commute.

[Creature]

I don't feel like preserving me that much at this point.

[Creature]

I wished I had willingness on atleast one player, but as I don't have, well, I still have to lynch someone.

[Creature]

DDL isn't even at L-1

Varsoon unvoted so it's just mbaki and I on him.

[Creature]

SOD = Start of the day

[Creature]

VOTE: OkaPoka

[Creature]

guess I'll have to hope OkaPoka is scum

[Creature]

would suck if both of us were town

though this setup doesn't make much sense anyway

[Creature]

Apparently we're pushing this "one scum at {me, Oka}"

[Creature]

I still think mbaki is town, but it seems like we're going to mislynch her anyway, so I think Oka flipping scum would save me from being another mislynch fodder.

[Creature]

Remind me what your solve is?

Creature, Oka, Mbaki, in that order.

[Creature]

Oka is also unlikely to be partnered with mbaki.

[Creature]

Have you ever considered the possibility that the reason Oka and mbaki are both getting resistance is that they've done a lot of things that generally only high level scum can do?

[Creature]

@creature: if you believe we're mislynching mbaki, then what is the point of you voting Oka, when your logic is saying he is not the lynch?

This stinks of self-preservation and distancing.

I'm afraid of the lynch lineup here.

[Creature]

My hope is that Oka will flip scum so I will be cleared.

[Creature]

I don't townread Oka enough anyway.

[Creature]

This stinks of self-preservation and distancing.

Sure, I'm trying to bus my buddy to preserve myself instead of just sticking with DDL.

[Creature]

Both roles could be bs, which I can see, and which you may have slipped when you said you thought both scum were VT claims.

Your x-shot role doesn't make sense with the UB. Oka's role doesn't make sense full stop. Oka wouldn't leave Suka alone about whether or not she was x-shot. You defended my push on Oka by asking me to prove his role didn't make sense.

My role can be proved if Varsoon targets me

Also, why tf would Oka fakeclaim ascetic if Suka hinted targeting Oka?

[Creature]

This stinks of self-preservation and distancing.

Sure, I'm trying to bus my buddy to preserve myself instead of just sticking with DDL.

You know he won't be lynched. A vote isn't enough.

Then how is it self-preservation if my vote won't do nothing? If it was self-preservation I would try something that may actually succeed?

[Creature]

Tell us why we should vote Oka?

tbh I'm fine with either Oka or DDL, but it's up to Varsoon.

[Creature]

Also, why tf would Oka fakeclaim ascetic if Suka hinted targeting Oka?

Really? Wow imo.

You're rb?

[Creature]

This stinks of self-preservation and distancing.

Sure, I'm trying to bus my buddy to preserve myself instead of just sticking with DDL.

You know he won't be lynched. A vote isn't enough. Tell us why we should vote Oka?

Huh? DDL has almost been lynched twice, you yourself gave intent.

Thought he was talking about Oka here.

[Creature]

This stinks of self-preservation and distancing.

Sure, I'm trying to bus my buddy to preserve myself instead of just sticking with DDL.

You know he won't be lynched. A vote isn't enough.

Then how is it self-preservation if my vote won't do nothing? If it was self-preservation I would try something that may actually succeed?

You mean like not outting yourself on a mislynch wagon?

I would look way worse moving to Oka.

[Creature]

Creature's "good reads" also show a few TMI slips imo.

Correctly townreading someone =/= TMI

[Creature]

Man, I hate it because I've said countless times something among the lines of "I'm fine with X's lynch, but I think he/she flips town anyway" as town and they really do.

[Creature]

I read somewhere that the scum!creature lurking meta is getting outdated.

doesn't mean I got the ability to 500-post as scum easily.

[Creature]

What about a Creature!town world?

[Creature]

Tomorrow is going to be basically boiled down to "should we believe there are both town commuter and town ascetic? should we trust varsoon's list? should we just lynch ddl like we were doing yesterday?"

[Creature]

Tomorrow is going to be basically boiled down to "should we believe there are both town commuter and town ascetic? should we trust varsoon's list? should we just lynch ddl like we were doing yesterday?"

This doesn't explain why you're voting for someone you don't believe will be lynched near deadline; especially when you were sitting on a wagon that I gave intent on.

Varsoon's 2nd scumread is Oka and I'm trying to articulate with him.

[Creature]

Like, he himself expressed he's not okay with a DDL lynch.

[Creature]

It happened when DDL was brought to L-1.

[Creature]

Can there be a scum commuter?

In a normal guideline yes.

If there's a way to prove that I am commuter and sum that to Oka likely being ascetic, that would make a scumteam of ascetic and commuter pretty unlikely, wouldn't it?

[Creature]

Do you think follower + voyeur + ascetic + 2-shot commuter would be sufficient power for town?

[Creature]

Scum's plan of waiting paranoia ignite is showing to be successful.

[Creature]

Do you think follower + voyeur + ascetic + 2-shot commuter would be sufficient power for town?

[Creature]

First step is having everyone read my three walls so we can work from there.

The problem is mostly the setup spec: it feels like town is underpowered without Varsoon's role.

[Creature]

Yeah

but his play has been really scummy?

Yeah and I've already seen him pulling some weird PR play as scum.

[Creature]

I will tomorrow.

UNVOTE:

[Creature]

Real life

[Creature]

Though it's actually 2:27 am for me

[Creature]

Varsoon would get no actions performed on Creature or something if I don't commute.

[Creature]

force creature to commute today or get lynched tomorrow

*tonight

Sure, I'll do.

I wouldn't want to be present in 3p LyLo anyway.

[Creature]

I think oka creature can be solved partially tomorrow via varsoon checking creature. So I dont even want to touch these two for now.

Good luck lynching scum then

[Creature]

Because oka could have hammered me easily when I'm l minus 1

At the risk of being outed tomorrow plus clear me?

[Creature]

We're not lynching Moongrass. Varsoon and I should be left to resolve each other. Oka will be resolvable through my alignment.

That'd leave you (DDL), Kmd and mbaki.

[Creature]

I don't think you're scum rn DDL, so today's lynch is between Kmd and mbaki.

Take your pick.

[Creature]

I think oka creature can be solved partially tomorrow via varsoon checking creature. So I dont even want to touch these two for now. brah brah brah brah brah brah. brah brah brah.

Plus, I scumread creature a tad more than oka I think

[Creature]

Who are you talking about?

[Creature]

Oh, the "(maybe without the modifier)" confused me.

[Creature]

Mbaki/Oka
Creature/Oka
DDL/Oka
Mbaki/DDL
DDL/Creature

Are the possible teams I'm seeing.

I can't be scum with mbaki?

[Creature]

Why do you ask?

Thought you listed the only possible teams.

[Creature]

I feel like voting Oka, but that'd leave mbaki as the hammer.

[Creature]

I feel like voting Oka, but that'd leave mbaki as the hammer.

And this is a problem why?

I expected both wagons to have three votes and someone neutral deciding on which to hammer.

[Creature]

I'm sorta moving back to Varsoon/mbaki scumteam.

[Creature]

prepping for Oka's town flip in this hypothetical scum Creature scenario?

If I think the team is you and Varsoon, who do you think I am more likely to hammer between you and Oka?

[Creature]

Decisions are hard.

Would it be fair to leave the hammer decision to Kmd?

[Creature]

Damn, this is literally musical chairs.

[Creature]

Deadline ending when like everyone will be completely asleep doesn't help.

[Creature]

there's little way scum gets a UB

What if his UB claim is actually fake?

[Creature]

there's little way scum gets a UB

What if his UB claim is actually fake?

His reactions to BEF's claim, suka's vote, and your claim say it's not fake at all.

You need to discredit him if your role is fake.

How my claim makes his claim more believable though?

[Creature]

I don't think he was expecting anything even remotely close to commuter when he claimed that.

[Creature]

Would UB inherit ascetic? That would really suck for Varsoon if Oka was the first death.

[Creature]

Would UB inherit ascetic?

If yes, then Varsoon/Oka are more in contradiction between each other than I am with either Varsoon or Oka.

[Creature]

When is it? I'm usually up late.

about 7 hours or less from now?

[Creature]

Both roles could be bs, which I can see, and which you may have slipped when you said you thought both scum were VT claims.

Your x-shot role doesn't make sense with the UB. Oka's role doesn't make sense full stop. Oka wouldn't leave Suka alone about whether or not she was x-shot. You defended my push on Oka by asking me to prove his role didn't make sense.

My role can be proved if Varsoon targets me

Also, why tf would Oka fakeclaim ascetic if Suka hinted targeting Oka?

Could be scum ascetic.

Still ascetic, so not a fakeclaim.

[Creature]

Would UB inherit ascetic? That would really suck for Varsoon if Oka was the first death.

If Oka is scum aligned and Varsoon is town, this isn't an issue.

I believe they should inherit Ascetic from the same alignment, but I haven't seen that interaction so can't say for sure.

@Mod

could provide the best answer.

A Universal Backup, upon the first death of a power role of the Universal Backup's alignment, inherits that power role for their own use. The term "power role" refers to any non-vanilla role.

What about modifiers?

[Creature]

Any modifiers would also be inherited.

would something like town ascetic or macho townie be inheritable?

[Creature]

So would it make sense to design a setup where universal backup can backup a negative utility (ascetic)?

[Creature]

So Varsoon/Oka can't be both town?

[Creature]

You disagree both can theoretically be town?

Follower is useful for town
Voyeur is also useful for town
Commuter is a good self-defense role
Ascetic actually hurts follower and voyeur

[Creature]

i honestly feel like my role is here to weaken strength of follower and rolecop

and voyeur

and also would get some UB salty if you died first

[Creature]

It's like 1:50 am for me now

I need to make up my mind

[Creature]

even I am unsure about Oka

[Creature]

like I personally would like to believe we can't have both a commuter and an ascetic

[Creature]

So Varsoon/Oka can't be both town?

I wouldn't consider that balanced if they were.

Again: what is the difference between Commuter and Ascetic in this context?

Commuter can protect itself from nightkills and can choose not to commute.

[Creature]

Yeah, seems like.

[Creature]

regardless of what claim is true or false this setup looks like a tracker 13 with other random useless roles smeared up.

[Creature]

okay, maybe Varsoon can be a backup tracker if he doesn't get unlucky enough to inherit one of the useless roles

[Creature]

VOTE: mbaki

Sorry Kmd

[Creature]

I'm basically just flipflopping around Oka, mbaki and DDL and I don't want to be wrong.

[Creature]

Like, if only we settled to lynch all of {DDL, mbaki, Oka}...

[Creature]

Like, if only we settled to lynch all of {DDL, mbaki, Oka}...

Hence why you should lynch Oka here if you're town.

I'm too a wimp to hammer.

[Creature]

I'm still here.

[Creature]

VOTE: DDL

[Creature]

I'm very tired

[Creature]

I actually have the intent to hammer Oka.

[Creature]

Also I confirm I'm commuting tonight

[Creature]

I have to man up

VOTE: Oka

[Creature]

So that was a lolcat right?

[Creature]

Damn Oka you were pretty impressive

Even when you should be like pretty much scum based on setup spec

[Creature]

Creature, do you still think I'm more likely scum than DDL?

No.

[Creature]

Dunno what to do rn

Dance, puppets, dance

[Creature]

What's going on rn?

[Creature]

I want to see about DDL, because DDL should be a lesser hard read. If we can settle him as town then basically we have to lynch within {mbaki, Kmd} to win.

[Creature]

You can argue for why it's KMD if tomorrow actually does come.

I actually intended to get a townread on one of the VT claims today so tomorrow would be easier.

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I think it ends boiled down to would Oka do the nightkill over [suka target here]?

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What I get is that both yours and Kmd are good at scum

Meanwhile DDL hasn't done much to me consider himself out of his scum range

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I'm just wondering about something: could the last scum be a power role? That would mean mbaki and Kmd are clear unless they have a limiting modifier.

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Hmm, what happened with Suka's action on Kmd?

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Oh, mbaki somehow beat my postcount near the end