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Post Post #1075  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:51 am

In post 989, Shoshin the worst wrote:Seriously the thread needs to focus on someone else. The amount of bias here is making it excruciating to read.

Posts like ProFlavor's last one SHOULD come >rand from scum because of how conspicuously weighted they are. Taly's magical read reversal on us because we took a break from pushing the thread momentum for a few pages and others stated they still didn't like us should come >rand from scum. But everyone is so full of it I'm not really sure how I'm meant to be reading them.

Most of the active players are town. somewhere in {pintu, ProFlavor, Taly} is as deep as the deepwolves go. If Varsoon's vig isn't proven eventually, powerlynch him.

I'm getting tired of not being treated like a human and there's a weird clique of players who are just positioning as scum for nonsensical reasons, without actually thinking through anything (more likely to come from scum!ProFlavor than scum!Varsoon rn imo). my WIM is through the floor so I'm probably gonna be more low energy and less obvtown than I was a few pages ago.


I can’t remember why now (lots of bad stuff going on, distracting me from this game) but I like rotisserie slap chop for town.
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Post Post #1076  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:53 am

In post 986, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 980, Tibor and Lumia wrote:If someone can explain to me why Meatloaf is stuck in my head, I'd appreciate it


I'd say it's because it's cold and you're hungry.

~A50


Two out of three ain’t bad? :P
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Post Post #1077  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:01 am

In post 988, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 986, Almost Chara wrote:it's cold

and lonely in the deeeeep daaarkkk niiiiiight



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Post Post #1078  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:41 am

In post 990, Shoshin the worst wrote:But if townies who suspect us can please reason through it with us rather than drive by shading we'd appreciate it. Makes you all easier to sort :p



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Post Post #1079  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:49 am

In post 995, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 543, Varsoon wrote:Just gonna bring this into overdrive, actually, and go for the dunk.
Day Vig: Shoshin the Worst

Oh nice
brass mentioned this but I wanted to see for myself what the deal was.
First impression would be this is a reaction test, but I think I saw V For Vendetta saying he meant this.
Since stw is still alive I'll ask: how did you survive, stw?
-Gamma "the hipfire king" Emerald


What makes even less sense to me is, why didn’t ANYONE die? I thought maybe the whole positioning thing might explain it but then NOTHING happened.
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Post Post #1080  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:53 am

In post 996, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 43, Taly wrote::D so much opportunity to get pocketed!!

._. im gonna have to reread that playerlist movement night action stuff arent i?

not feeling the kokichi IC claim but i slight townvibe it anyway

VOTE: Almost Chara

RVS is bullshit but square up w me, both heads now

~ Taly

Taly's RVS post is what originally scumpinged me.
I don't think he's really done anything outside his scumrange (not anything particularly towny). Taly do you disagree? If I'm grossly misreading you here, help me see where I'm wrong. A lot your defence of yourself & probing of other slots has kind of skated around the centre; the way you do as scum (e.g. PYPX/Y).

> the pocketed comment & the thing wrt rereading playerlist movement just feels forced and stiff. I think there's a hesitation in Taly's tonality through the thread, so far, which I can't not notice.
> the comment about not feeling Kokichi's IC claim but townvibing it is absolutely bizarre. I can see this coming from someone who played SCM1 and liked the laissez-faire comedic entry to the thread but I literally can't see any reason to be townpinged by Kokichi lolclaiming IC and then lurking it out. This doesn't feel like critical reading so much as an agenda/TMI'd read and I think it's the kind of slip-up scum do make while still in RVS.
> RVS bullshit thing is incredibly forced (fwiw voting AC in rvs doesn't seem beneficial to me but I feel like I'm the only person onsite who enjoys RVS for content)


I’m not currently scumreading that slot but no, I do not at all get the townreads on it. Like how does anyone initially read us, as obvscum here?
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Post Post #1081  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:55 am

In post 998, Alchemist21 wrote:Taly’s vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get a response from me. Mewtaph’s reason for keeping his was sketchy.


Anyone ever claiming that a read/play/etc. is forced/fake/whatever without just cause, usually pings me.
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Post Post #1082  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:06 am

In post 1000, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 977, Taly wrote:
In post 965, Mewtaph wrote:Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.


Good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Are there any posts you want to have addressed in particular?

VOTE: Alchemist21

I want Alchemist to reply to

This post struck me as more pockety towards Mewtaph, actually. But yeah Mewtaph's reasoning is a trainwreck. I have no read on if it's t/s or s/s but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of these two flips red.
I don't understand how you were meant to reply to 952. lol.


One thing that pings me, is the sense of his posting being somewhat LAMISTy. That might just be NAI though. But those initial posts about HIM being pocketed, did seem a bit odd to me.
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Post Post #1083  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:11 am

In post 1003, Krazy wrote:
Votecount 1.10
NicoRobin(3) ~ (57), (153), (81)
u r a person 2(2) ~ (43), (42)
Shoshin the worst(2) ~ (6), (143)
Alchemist21(2) ~ (5), (61)
pinturicchio(1) ~ (75)
Mewtaph(1) ~ (52)
Kokichi Oma(1) ~ (70)


Not Voting (2): (184), Kokichi Oma(8)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:05:31)


MOD REMINDERSKokichi Oma needs a prod. The last post was at: 1/9/2019 10:23:00 AM which was 2 days 4 hours 16 minutes 51 seconds ago.

NicoRobin is no longer being replaced.

FLAVOR
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Might be reading too much into this but the bolded, based on meta, is more likely to come from town!Kokichi.
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Post Post #1084  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:13 am

In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:


I don’t really see a connection and if that is AI at all, it is more likely to be the converse.
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Post Post #1085  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:19 am

In post 1011, Shoshin the worst wrote:Do you have much experience with her?


Is this Shoshin asking this? :lol:
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Post Post #1086  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:24 am

In post 1021, Taly wrote:oh lol forgot mephisto was in this game again

...ive played with jeanne11... in 2015.

and ive played with nico one game this past year... but it doesnt count since she was mislynched early-game for doing the bare minimum to avoid being replaced


If Nico is town here, that looks good for Taly and vice-versa.
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Post Post #1087  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:28 am

In post 1022, Taly wrote:
In post 1003, Krazy wrote:NicoRobin(3) ~ (57), (153), (81)
u r a person 2(2) ~ (43), (42)
Shoshin the worst(2) ~ (6), (143)
Alchemist21(2) ~ (5), (61)
pinturicchio(1) ~ (75)
Mewtaph(1) ~ (52)
Kokichi Oma(1) ~ (70)


This is an incredibly bad VC for town.

Michael/STW/UP2, tell me why Nico's a good lynch today.

URAP2 - Already prompted Pint/ProFlavor to talk about their vote here.

STW - vars, make town cohesive <3

Alchemist21 - Actually want Mew to explain his scumread on Alchemist, it's the only one they've had it seems? In like... 1000 posts?

Pint - A reason to townread T&L as I'm feeling less impressed each time I read Pint's ISO or latest posts.

Kokichi - AC, is this really a worthy lynch? Any active posters you don't townread?


Why? And Bono and Alchemist are really bad wagons.
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Post Post #1088  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:29 am

In post 1023, Taly wrote:anyone have meta on Mew?

like reliable ones? not a 1 game half-assed "this is how someone is as that alignment"?


ISO him in Starcraft 1. He seems to be very different here.
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Post Post #1089  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:33 am

In post 1024, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1017, Taly wrote:
In post 982, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 952, Taly wrote:Alchemist is someone I want to sort more.

I can see scum take the positions he's had (namely the vote/rationality on STW , and the vote/unvote onto UP2 ), but, alongside my other iffy/scumlean reads, a lot of people don't agree.

ProFlavor, Michael Scott, and Pint need an individual ISO for me to get thoughts rolling on them.

Mephisto reread / UP2 Wagon Evaluation / ProFlavor/Michael Scott/Pint are the areas of sorting I'm looking to absolve in the next 2 days.


I don’t know what you expect me to respond to here. I’ve made myself pretty clear so if you’re still insure about something you’ll need to ask specific questions instead of asking for a response to a vaguely reasoned read.


I wasn't convinced by your original STW vote, so can you explain how that read has evolve since ?


Someone already touched on this a bit (can’t remember who) but they were responding individually to posts at/about them in a way that made it easy to tell who was who. My original line of thought was that the lack of signing and being “one voice” was a method to avoid attempts at meta reading them (which their “we have no meta” post seemed to suggest). Their individual responses while still refusing to sign showed me that I was wrong. They’re not shying away from engagement either, which considering Shoshin’s pre-game claim that he’d have little time I believe scum would have used to try and stay under the radar.

And what were your thoughts on UP2/STW's interaction after you unvoted in ? You stated an argument they were scum/town but you didn't follow up in a change of thought when UP2 clarified something to you.


It went back to null. That should have been obvious since I unvoted. Thinking back on it now, it’s slightly Towny that he wanted to work with STW on a common read, but not as Towny as it would be if they had initiated the interaction. STW gets Townier for it.
Do you see anything scum-indicative with Mewtaph aside from their reasoning to keep their vote on you?

No.


Doubling down on my townread on this.
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Post Post #1090  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:34 am

In post 1025, Taly wrote:UNVOTE:

A bit more confident in Alchemist-town, not lynching this.

I'd like Mew to do something about their "one vote/scumread+no push in the game at all" thing they have going for their all-of-5-posts.

VOTE: pinturicchio

Next.


Taly might be town here, afterall.
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Post Post #1091  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:37 am

In post 1029, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 1018, Taly wrote:I want to make sure they actually read it.

Don't play shit like this. That's intolerant and intolerable.
We read all of your posts. We talk about them before replying (and need to be in front of a PC generally for formatting reasons).

I'm going to go and read the rest of your post now but shit like this is not on.


Tbf, that reads kind of townie to me. Scum don’t really care that much about being misunderstood.
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Post Post #1092  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:50 am

In post 1061, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 381, Varsoon wrote:
In post 367, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Game integrity is also compromised by shitty reads, so there’s that too,


Shitty reads are an inherent part of mafia. Players swapping at the table in long-form play is not a design element of the game.

Anyway.

I heard that the lurk-meta on Nico indicates scum there but I don't really know if that's true or not.

For what it's worth.

Why do you feel the need to specifically ask for justification from people pressurevoting that slot? It's not a vanity wagon. It's a valid pressure wagon on a lurker.

Why do you think there's scum on it?

Why did you miss Varsoon's stance that lurker Nico is scum Nico if you were trying to sort her?


Sorry but you’re kind of misrepping what he said. Re: the bolded but I’m NAI reading that, since it’s right there in his quote.
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Post Post #1093  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:52 am

In post 1067, Shoshin the worst wrote:Show me a bit more about why you scumread URAP2? Talk to me about why you're voting pintu if you scumread URAP2 and are anti the Nico wagon?
Also waiting to hear why you think lynching lurker-Nico is a bad idea here.


So, it’s MORE than a “pressure vote”?
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Post Post #1094  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:54 am

In post 1072, u r a person 2 wrote:@taly
a bunch of people were voting nico and I figured maybe it could lead to a sort. It was not a productive use of time

miserably sick this past day. hoping it will get better from here. will play tomorrow


Feel better. :)
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Post Post #1095  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:41 am

I'm sorry all I just havent been the mafia mood lately. I hope that changes tonight. I'll look into what I missed. Anything anyone wants me to look into?
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.

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Post Post #1096  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:08 am

In post 1071, Shoshin the worst wrote:Anyway my stance is clear. You can have your breathing room but if it bothers you we aren't townreading you, talk to us.


i dont give a fuck if you townread me, stop assuming that shit

i give a fuck if you continually make assumptions about my thoughts and belittle any misguided ideas i have directed toward you, because that's not productive for town and usually not even town-motivated (considering you dont townread me but youre dancing around any attempt at pushing a scumread/lynch on me OR even sorting me directly UNTIL these last TWO pages))

thats why im having a hell of time sorting you in these recent pages and it DOESNT seem like you understand that regardless of how many different ways i tell you

NOW, i NEVER SAID nico-votes/scum-indicative ideas were UNFAIR, as you quote here:
In post 1070, Shoshin the worst wrote:I don't think any of the votes on Nico so far have been unfair/scum indicative and I don't think you really addressed that point.

i SAID THAT THEY WERE
Taly wrote:i dont trust most wagons at the moment, because there's MULTIPLE people being voted, and we're in a gamestate where people have said they have a lot of townreads but few else.
so pushing for nico lynch seems an easy out for scum if they're town.

because MY CURRENT stance on nico IS
Taly wrote:vars isnt sure of the lurker/scum-meta on nico, and im not either, so i dont see the validity of a scum argument there.

Taly wrote:and ive played with nico one game this past year... but it doesnt count since she was mislynched early-game for doing the bare minimum to avoid being replaced

so to DISPEL the LACK of CLARITY and read ON the wagon AND- NICO HERSELF
Taly wrote:I'm trying to find the reasons behind peoples votes on the wagon to find out, and to help sort the people on that wagon individually.

And I don't see much content to sort?

I don't think "that's not a great look" is being fair or empathetic towards me, I'm not stagnant with my reads.

because MY THOUGHT PROCESS right now IS
In post 1068, Taly wrote:Lurker Lynch D1=Scarce Info. On Flip
- If town, only a detriment.
- If scum, yay, we have only a little bit to go off of based on their interactions/wagon/play.

and i CURRENTLY DONT SCUMREAD nico

SO. NOW THAT I'VE SPELLED OUT MY THOUGHTS HERE.

I WANT SOMETHING CLARIFIED.


?) We still have 4-5 days in the game left, so if you're just pressure-voting Nico, how are you sorting them through your vote? Do you have any other wagons you DISLIKE OR LIKE? I DON'T see Nico as a lynch candidate, and I WANT town to be on the SAME PAGE with the WAGONS HERE.
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Post Post #1097  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:08 am

In post 1082, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:One thing that pings me, is the sense of his posting being somewhat LAMISTy. That might just be NAI though. But those initial posts about HIM being pocketed, did seem a bit odd to me.


This was literally my opening post, which was to get people talking about them.... not 1000 posts later. :igmeou:

Your commentary here lost me the moment you said "LAMISTy" (another stupid buzzword)

And this post became pointless the phrase AFTER that when you said:
"That might just be NAI though."

?) So, instead of commenting about someone's commentary on irrelevant posts; how about you talk to me about the wagons that you CAN get behind? Anyone you scumread?

Or, if you're so unsure how to sort, ask me questions that don't assume my reads. :roll:

In post 1080, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I’m not currently scumreading that slot but no, I do not at all get the townreads on it. Like how does anyone initially read us, as obvscum here?


:igmeou: If you're talking about me, then you're misreading my thoughts on you again.

If I ever thought you were "obvscum", my vote would be on you, and probably still on you tbh.

I waned people to explain their townreads on you early game because I couldn't see them. To my memory Alchemist and T&L were the only people who helped absolve that for me.

:facepalm: I can't tell if the constant miscommunication on my posts is because I just suck at clarifying things for people, or people are actively not trying to understand my POV.
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Post Post #1098  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:08 am

In post 1072, u r a person 2 wrote:@taly
a bunch of people were voting nico and I figured maybe it could lead to a sort. It was not a productive use of time

miserably sick this past day. hoping it will get better from here. will play tomorrow


thoughts on Pint and primarily their wagon/vote on you?
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Post Post #1099  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:09 am

like im really trying not to be bitchy or overly-frustrated in my posts (why i normally post GIFs all the time)

but i genuinely dont know how else to convey my thoughts to some of these quotes/posts that get my point across any clearler

:/
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