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Post Post #17  (isolation #0)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:54 am

In post 14, Alchemist21 wrote:Oh Ari's actually playing this game. I'm used to seeing him as a mod. This'll be fun!
Yeah!
I play my share of games! Just check my wiki for my dismal record XD
Nice to see you :)

In post 15, Varsoon wrote:I'm informed that scum has at least one ground role.
This is usegul knowledge! Probably.
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Post Post #18  (isolation #1)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:55 am

Useful*

And I guess we're supposed to sign posts so...

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Post Post #31  (isolation #2)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:30 am

In post 24, Kokichi Oma wrote:i claim IC
Ya I think we need to confirm you as town at least 7 times before I'll believe it...
:P

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Post Post #66  (isolation #3)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:02 am

In post 16, Varsoon wrote:Town shouldn't claim ground/air
Chances are that scum abilities can only affect one or the other
Same with position in the list

Anyway that's all on mechanics.
VOTE: Alchemist21

In post 17, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 14, Alchemist21 wrote:Oh Ari's actually playing this game. I'm used to seeing him as a mod. This'll be fun!
Yeah!
I play my share of games! Just check my wiki for my dismal record XD
Nice to see you :)

In post 15, Varsoon wrote:I'm informed that scum has at least one ground role.
This is usegul knowledge! Probably.


Yeah, I still don’t understand the whole position thing.

This setup reminds me a bit of Undertale - minus the the puzzles. :P
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Post Post #67  (isolation #4)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:07 am

In post 19, Varsoon wrote:I'd appreciate it if hydras signed their posts.

@Mephistophanes: It means that town roles that affect ground units aren't completely useless against scum, at least.
It also means that if we eliminate a bunch of air-based scum, we've a higher chance of having a ground-based scum left, for whatever that may be worth.


There’s only 3 in the setup, so that would mean 2 at the most, per element, right?

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Post Post #68  (isolation #5)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:08 am

In post 21, Shoshin the worst wrote:That is good to know. Thanks Vars--looking forward to playing with you again.


Guys, please get an avi. Kthanx.
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Post Post #69  (isolation #6)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:10 am

In post 23, Varsoon wrote:@Krazy: I think it's really cool that you emulated the notion of a 'map' and 'terrain' with position in the playerlist--that's a really innovative and flavorful use of mechanics and I'm really excited to play this game because of it. Zone control is such a big part of Star Craft play so it's neat to see that in the mechanics so literally and, in a way, seamlessly.


I hope someone can explain this to me. I still don’t get how it works exactly.
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Post Post #70  (isolation #7)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:14 am

In post 38, NicoRobin wrote:I am in this game.


I believe you.

In post 39, NicoRobin wrote:Why again? I wanted to replace later. Instead I got shangaied into this.


“Why again “ what?

Unhappy about something?
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Post Post #71  (isolation #8)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:19 am

In post 56, Shoshin the worst wrote:All posts come from both of us. We're playing this game together as one player.

In post 57, Varsoon wrote:Just sign your posts.
VOTE: Shoshin the worst

In post 58, Shoshin the worst wrote:We've spoken about it a fair bit and have made the decision not to focus on signing. We expect quite a bit of clutter because of all the hydras, so we're synchronising our reads as much as possible before posting & collaboratively writing the majority of our posts.

If we did sign we'd be signing most of them jointly anyway - we don't intend to go against everyone's wishes wrt not signing but we're intending to play this game as "one voice" so as to make signing mostly redundant. Hopefully that's something everyone is prepared to respect.

(also as an obvious-tw aside: starcraft round 1 should prove neither of these heads are tonereadable :lol:)

-Shoshin & the worst


I agree with Varsoon.

VOTE: Unsynchronised

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Post Post #72  (isolation #9)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:21 am

In post 62, Almost Chara wrote:Um.. erm.. insert the usual role crumb here. Imagine it something genuine, VERY POWERFUL and extremely dangerous to your faction (i.e. I want scum to think we can single-handedly eradicate their team, but also town to consider us a major threat).

~You know who it is, silly. Does Chara post like this?


You’re hardclaiming vt, got it. :P
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Post Post #75  (isolation #10)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:19 am

In post 73, Varsoon wrote:@Mephistophanes: So the playerlist has numbers, right? Like
1. Varsoon
2. Mephisto
3. Shoshin

Well let's say Mephisto has an ability that makes them bulletproof, but it's only from people near him in the playerlist.
N1, there's no deaths.
Mephisto then can figure, "Well maybe my BP stopped a kill coming from Varsoon or Shoshin."
That's basically how it works. Various roles in this game utilize place in the playerlist. Some role probably affect what's close to them, some probably affect what's further. Some might affect everyone above you, some might do everyone below.


Oh okay, it’s still sounds really confusing though but this helps a bit, thanks. :)
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Post Post #76  (isolation #11)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:22 am

In post 74, Varsoon wrote:@Shoshin: If your response to refusing to sign posts is "Ya'll can't toneread us anyway lol", then I'm not going to unvote.


I don’t know what the point of being in a hydra is, if you’re going to post as a single player. Didn’t Shoshin say that the main reason she wanted to hydra, was a lack of time?

If she insists on coordinating every single post with the worst, then why not just play solo?

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Post Post #79  (isolation #12)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:34 am

P.edit. It is suspicious. Ari thought it might be some kind of RVS gag but I agree, it is kind of giving me slight scum vibes, especially considering both were scum in Starcraft 1.
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Post Post #99  (isolation #13)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:37 am

Fun fact:
On my now deceased homesite (RIP ScrewAttack) there was a rule against signing posts and asking individual heads for reads. This is where my personal theory on hydrae being a single unit comes from. I see nothing wrong with what Shoshin The Worst is displaying here.

Followup Fun Fact:
Discussing this instead of the game is giving me bad vibes on Varsoon. I get that it matters but it's clogging the thread. We should drop it and let the mod rules about signing kick in.

Final Followup Fun Fact:
I Fucking love alliteration :)

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Post Post #111  (isolation #14)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:56 am

In post 99, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Fun fact:
On my now deceased homesite (RIP ScrewAttack) there was a rule against signing posts and asking individual heads for reads. This is where my personal theory on hydrae being a single unit comes from. I see nothing wrong with what Shoshin The Worst is displaying here.

Followup Fun Fact:
Discussing this instead of the game is giving me bad vibes on Varsoon. I get that it matters but it's clogging the thread. We should drop it and let the mod rules about signing kick in.

Final Followup Fun Fact:
I Fucking love alliteration :)

- Por Flavor

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Ari no, I disagree, Varsoon is right. Does it necessarily make them scum? No but this isn’t your old site and they know that here and they are digging in thier heels despite strong opposition. That isn’t sitting right with me.

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Post Post #113  (isolation #15)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:00 pm

In post 108, Varsoon wrote:That's L-1 provided that Mephistophanes 39 is actually/still voting there.
I highly doubt our vote counted.

In post 110, Shoshin the worst wrote:We recommend unvoting before Koki (or someone else) quickhammers.

-Shoshin & the worst
:lol:
Are you actually worried? N_M isn't here at least!
Though Boon likes to lolhammer so there is that.

In post 111, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 99, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Fun fact:
On my now deceased homesite (RIP ScrewAttack) there was a rule against signing posts and asking individual heads for reads. This is where my personal theory on hydrae being a single unit comes from. I see nothing wrong with what Shoshin The Worst is displaying here.

Followup Fun Fact:
Discussing this instead of the game is giving me bad vibes on Varsoon. I get that it matters but it's clogging the thread. We should drop it and let the mod rules about signing kick in.

Final Followup Fun Fact:
I Fucking love alliteration :)

- Por Flavor

Oof! I was quadruple ninjad! Dayum.


Ari no, I disagree, Varsoon is right. Does it necessarily make them scum? No but this isn’t your old site and they know that here and they are digging in thier heels despite strong opposition. That isn’t sitting right with me.

~Nancy
Ya I guess.
I point it out as it is a theory I adopted a long time ago and part of why I don't always sign my posts.


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Post Post #114  (isolation #16)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:00 pm

In post 108, Varsoon wrote:That's L-1 provided that Mephistophanes 39 is actually/still voting there.


I obviously would need to confer with Ari before hammering. I’m not sure they’re scum but their atttitude is definitely pissing me off. And they should knock it off, if they’re actually town here.

If this a temporary RVS gag or something than fine but I’m not cool with it.
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Post Post #118  (isolation #17)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:07 pm

In post 113, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 108, Varsoon wrote:That's L-1 provided that Mephistophanes 39 is actually/still voting there.
I highly doubt our vote counted.

In post 110, Shoshin the worst wrote:We recommend unvoting before Koki (or someone else) quickhammers.

-Shoshin & the worst
:lol:
Are you actually worried? N_M isn't here at least!
Though Boon likes to lolhammer so there is that.

In post 111, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 99, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Fun fact:
On my now deceased homesite (RIP ScrewAttack) there was a rule against signing posts and asking individual heads for reads. This is where my personal theory on hydrae being a single unit comes from. I see nothing wrong with what Shoshin The Worst is displaying here.

Followup Fun Fact:
Discussing this instead of the game is giving me bad vibes on Varsoon. I get that it matters but it's clogging the thread. We should drop it and let the mod rules about signing kick in.

Final Followup Fun Fact:
I Fucking love alliteration :)

- Por Flavor

Oof! I was quadruple ninjad! Dayum.


Ari no, I disagree, Varsoon is right. Does it necessarily make them scum? No but this isn’t your old site and they know that here and they are digging in thier heels despite strong opposition. That isn’t sitting right with me.

~Nancy
Ya I guess.
I point it out as it is a theory I adopted a long time ago and part of why I don't always sign my posts.


- Por Flavor


:lol:

I voted “unsyncronised”. I don’t think that’s a player in this game. If stw are willing to at least meet us half way, have at least some of their posts, unsyncronised, I can work with that but to absolutely refuse to not only sign but to not have the heads give individual reads is anti-town, since being able to read each individual head is important to determining correct reads.
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Post Post #120  (isolation #18)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:08 pm

In post 115, Varsoon wrote:I'm unsure why you keep providing them the 'out' of it being an RVS gag.
Shoshin isn't really a joking player.
Even TW is fairly serious.


I’m not. Are you sure that this definitely makes them scum?
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Post Post #122  (isolation #19)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:10 pm

In post 119, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 111, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 99, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Fun fact:
On my now deceased homesite (RIP ScrewAttack) there was a rule against signing posts and asking individual heads for reads. This is where my personal theory on hydrae being a single unit comes from. I see nothing wrong with what Shoshin The Worst is displaying here.

Followup Fun Fact:
Discussing this instead of the game is giving me bad vibes on Varsoon. I get that it matters but it's clogging the thread. We should drop it and let the mod rules about signing kick in.

Final Followup Fun Fact:
I Fucking love alliteration :)

- Por Flavor

Oof! I was quadruple ninjad! Dayum.


Ari no, I disagree, Varsoon is right. Does it necessarily make them scum? No but this isn’t your old site and they know that here and they are digging in thier heels despite strong opposition. That isn’t sitting right with me.

~Nancy

This is an example of the behavior we're avoiding. Yes, we're a fictive person, but that doesn't mean we're incapable of playing together as one.

-Shoshin & the worst (aka Shoshin the worst)


Why is Ari and I disagreeing on something bad for town?
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Post Post #123  (isolation #20)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:12 pm

In post 116, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 114, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 108, Varsoon wrote:That's L-1 provided that Mephistophanes 39 is actually/still voting there.


I obviously would need to confer with Ari before hammering. I’m not sure they’re scum but their atttitude is definitely pissing me off. And they should knock it off, if they’re actually town here.

If this a temporary RVS gag or something than fine but I’m not cool with it.


It wouldn’t be a hammer if you did vote there. Your vote + my vote = L-1. So Shoshin and the worst are either L-2 or L-3 right now depending on whether your old vote counted.


Our vote couldn’t possibly have counted, because I voted “unsyncronised”, not stw.
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Post Post #127  (isolation #21)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:17 pm

In post 125, Alchemist21 wrote:I hate to be anal about this but could you put down either a vote or unvote just in case the mod does count it?

In post 126, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, it's not really good form to vote with intent but not with actual names.


UNVOTE:
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Post Post #130  (isolation #22)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:21 pm



The first link is very persuasive. Shoshin used that word, multiple times in Starcraft 1.

:thinking:

The second link doesn’t work, however.
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Post Post #137  (isolation #23)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:32 pm

In post 131, Shoshin the worst wrote:Could everyone clarify why they're voting us?

-Shoshin & the worst


Varsoon posted 2 links, one to Starcraft 1, where you encouraged everyone multiple times to “stretch their mind” and the second, to TAZ, where you didn’t do that even once.

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Post Post #138  (isolation #24)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:33 pm

In post 105, Shoshin the worst wrote:This is our first game ever. No meta exists for us yet.

-Shoshin & the worst


How can you possibly say this?

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Post Post #139  (isolation #25)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:36 pm

In post 134, Varsoon wrote:@Mephistophanes: The second link works--it should bring you to TAZ mafia, with a search for 'stretch', yielding no results.
You're welcome to search that game on your own:
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77242


It’s really mindblowing how often scum!Shoshin used that word in Starcraft 1 and never once in TAZ. I don’t recall her using it in Labrynth either.
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Post Post #141  (isolation #26)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:37 pm

In post 129, Varsoon wrote:Trust, I was tempted to take advantage of it, make ShoshinTW think they were lynched, see the response, but I don't know if
1. it would've fooled them
2. they would've given any worthwhile info and not just WIFOM


I get the sense that they’re not budging on this no matter what.
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Post Post #144  (isolation #27)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:40 pm

In post 140, Varsoon wrote:I searched, she didn't.
I even made a joke of it in Starcraft and Shoshin acknowledged I was using her words.


I know and seeing that gave me really bad vibes. @Shoshin the worst, if you have any towngames, where you repeatedly tell people to stretch their minds. you had better post the links soon. If you can’t find any, I don’t see why we shouldn’t view that as a scumslip on your part?
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Post Post #145  (isolation #28)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:44 pm

In post 143, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 131, Shoshin the worst wrote:Could everyone clarify why they're voting us?

-Shoshin & the worst

my vote was rvs

now it's real

I'm not convinced by Taly's wifom argument

This signing posts thing and follow up posts are the scummiest posts of the thread. Why does town you not just go okok jeez and start signing?

@varsoon
Dunno about the word choice argument. It seems to me that if a person wasn't using a phrase, and then they pick up a phrase, they might keep using that phrase regardless of alignment. I definitely find myself doing that in conversation.

Can you find an instance not in the SC1 game where Shoshin used that turn of phrase?

of course you could also just be right.


I think Starcraft 1 is only her second scumgame on this site. I could probably try the look up the first. The worst might have linked to it in Labrynth.

But even if she hadn’t, unless she has done that in at least one towngame, I think it’s reasonable to view it as scummy.
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Post Post #149  (isolation #29)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:50 pm

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Post Post #155  (isolation #30)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:59 pm

In post 150, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 137, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Varsoon posted 2 links, one to Starcraft 1, where you encouraged everyone multiple times to “stretch their mind” and the second, to TAZ, where you didn’t do that even once.

That's a bad use of meta. There's nothing inherently scummy about that phrase. It just means "break out the box you're in," or "challenge your way of thinking," which are phrases I've definitely used before as town (e.g. in Laybrinth when discussing your reads).

For some background, I say "stretch your mind" quite often in my yoga teaching to shift how people relate to their mind/body during a practice. It's just a part of how I speak in real life contexts. I'd never thought to use it in the context of mafia until Starcraft 1 because I don't usually use the phrase in an intellectual context.

I was very happy with how it applied in Starcraft 1 and I couldn't even contain my excitement when Varsoon picked the phrase up. Yes, it's such a great phrase that even Varsoon (who doesn't seem to like me much) used the phrase himself in Starcraft 1, as TOWN. Point being, it has nothing to do with alignment. It's just a phrase with a useful meaning in the context of a mafia game. I intend to use it a lot more.

-the worst


Wait, Shoshin is the yoga instructor, not tw, unless he teaches duck yoga or something. :lol:
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Post Post #161  (isolation #31)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:14 pm

In post 158, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 151, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 143, u r a person 2 wrote:This signing posts thing and follow up posts are the scummiest posts of the thread. Why does town you not just go okok jeez and start signing?

We are signing. That doesn't change the fact that most posts are written by both of us.

-Shoshin & the worst

I don't know enough (anything) about hydra etiquette to know if this is a fair or taking the piss

In post 159, Alchemist21 wrote:Signing with the actual hydra name is 100% taking the piss especially after it’s been explained why they should sign.


In post 9, Shoshin wrote:I will /in if someone wants to hydra with me? I don't have time for a solo game.


This is what Shoshin posted in the signup thread, so how does this synchronized thing align with that?

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Post Post #206  (isolation #32)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:12 pm

In post 115, Varsoon wrote:I'm unsure why you keep providing them the 'out' of it being an RVS gag.
Shoshin isn't really a joking player.
Even TW is fairly serious.
I mean, they've now clarified that they decided to do this pregame making it NAI and also not worth any more discussion about.
I just thought it might be a thing.

In post 122, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 119, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 111, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Ari no, I disagree, Varsoon is right. Does it necessarily make them scum? No but this isn’t your old site and they know that here and they are digging in thier heels despite strong opposition. That isn’t sitting right with me.

~Nancy

This is an example of the behavior we're avoiding. Yes, we're a fictive person, but that doesn't mean we're incapable of playing together as one.

-Shoshin & the worst (aka Shoshin the worst)


Why is Ari and I disagreeing on something bad for town?
Did we get an answer to this? S&W, please do that.

In post 125, Alchemist21 wrote:I hate to be anal about this but could you put down either a vote or unvote just in case the mod does count it?
In post 128, Alchemist21 wrote:Thank you.

VOTE: Shoshin and the worst
POSTURING!!!
Like, this is so fucking posturing.
Like, out vote did not count. I can guarantee that! You know that! So why does it matter if we unvote or not, especially considering it will be shown in the next VC that we are not, and even if we are, it's only L-1.

In post 126, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, it's not really good form to vote with intent but not with actual names.
:roll:
[redacted snarky comment because I like Varsoon]

In post 129, Varsoon wrote:Trust, I was tempted to take advantage of it, make ShoshinTW think they were lynched, see the response, but I don't know if
1. it would've fooled them
2. they would've given any worthwhile info and not just WIFOM
Well, no way to do that now. Why throw out an opportunity like this? Take the chance!
Don't like that you didn't tbh.

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Post Post #209  (isolation #33)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:22 pm

I guess I'm going page by page...

In post 134, Varsoon wrote:@Mephistophanes: The second link works--it should bring you to TAZ mafia, with a search for 'stretch', yielding no results.
You're welcome to search that game on your own:
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77242
In post 139, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 134, Varsoon wrote:@Mephistophanes: The second link works--it should bring you to TAZ mafia, with a search for 'stretch', yielding no results.
You're welcome to search that game on your own:
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77242


It’s really mindblowing how often scum!Shoshin used that word in Starcraft 1 and never once in TAZ. I don’t recall her using it in Labrynth either.
In post 140, Varsoon wrote:I searched, she didn't.
I even made a joke of it in Starcraft and Shoshin acknowledged I was using her words.
This whole argument is so stupid. I'm sorry but using a term in a game just means that was your vibe that game. I often get onto a phrase and it seems to just come out time after time in a game. It's not an alignment thing though.

In post 138, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 105, Shoshin the worst wrote:This is our first game ever. No meta exists for us yet.

-Shoshin & the worst


How can you possibly say this?

~N
...because they are one slot and there is no meta for their combined slot yet? I thought that was obvious tbh.

In post 136, Varsoon wrote:@Taly: Why does town keep up the schtick if it gets this much opposition either?
Did we get an andwer to this? Could we, Taly?

In post 146, Alchemist21 wrote:@Mod; Is there going to be a record of previous Days’ player list orders or do players have to manually keep track of previous orders?
Could we get an answer to this too? :)

In post 151, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 143, u r a person 2 wrote:This signing posts thing and follow up posts are the scummiest posts of the thread. Why does town you not just go okok jeez and start signing?

We are signing. That doesn't change the fact that most posts are written by both of us.

-Shoshin & the worst
:lol:
Honestly, you two are the worst...and shoshin :P
But really, this is amusing and I'm sorry people aren't appreciating your great trolling here XD

In post 154, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 150, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 137, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Varsoon posted 2 links, one to Starcraft 1, where you encouraged everyone multiple times to “stretch their mind” and the second, to TAZ, where you didn’t do that even once.

That's a bad use of meta. There's nothing inherently scummy about that phrase. It just means "break out the box you're in," or "challenge your way of thinking," which are phrases I've definitely used before as town (e.g. in Laybrinth when discussing your reads).

For some background, I say "stretch your mind" quite often in my yoga teaching to shift how people relate to their mind/body during a practice. It's just a part of how I speak in real life contexts. I'd never thought to use it in the context of mafia until Starcraft 1 because I don't usually use the phrase in an intellectual context.

I was very happy with how it applied in Starcraft 1 and I couldn't even contain my excitement when Varsoon picked the phrase up. Yes, it's such a great phrase that even Varsoon (who doesn't seem to like me much) used the phrase himself in Starcraft 1, as TOWN. Point being, it has nothing to do with alignment. It's just a phrase with a useful meaning in the context of a mafia game. I intend to use it a lot more.

-the worst


Did... did he just purposely sign the post wrong?
Yes. They are never going to sign properly. Can we please just move the fuck on from this!?
They aren't going to change it, so lets take out own advise and go "okay fine" and MOVE ON ALREADY!

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Post Post #210  (isolation #34)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:34 pm

In post 166, Shoshin the worst wrote:I'm not negotiating. I am telling you, if you're town you need to start reconsidering the way you approach this kind of situation.
When I'm less annoyed I will be looking for players who are actually trying to sort the game.

Why are you hyperfocusing on our hydra dynamic when it is a pregame decision and there are fourteen other slots?
I agree with S&W here tbh. Sorry Var, but they're right.
Why not engage someone else? This thread needs to breath and you two going at it is smothering it.

In post 169, Varsoon wrote:Your hydra signing is the least of why I scumread you.
I'm not going to re-assess because the last time that you used a combination of 'stretch your mind', emotional rhetoric, and this kind of browbeating to force me to reassess an early scumread on you, you were third party anti-town.
So, nope.
Not going to happen.
I don't see much of the above as scummy. Are these your main reasins for scumreading the slot?
Because it seems like you're honestly just a little butthurt they aren't giving in. Which is fine and all, just admit it and I'm happy!
Otherwise this is a really weak case.

In post 170, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 168, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 163, Shoshin the worst wrote:@nancy you should feel bad for nearly every post you've made. Literally. You're peddling nonsense.
@harpoon your ISO has become such a farce I'm losing my rvs townread on you. get back to fucking playing.

can i take these to be scum reads?

sadly not. we are nulltown on Varsoon but are also considering just ignoring him until he removes his trousers from his head. Ari has also been towny and I am not sure getting preoccupied by this bullshit is scum indicative for Nancy.

take it as my "slap yourself upside the head" reads.

taly is a scumread though
<3 You get me :)
I am interested by this Taly read and look forward to it coming more to light!

In post 180, Varsoon wrote:Fully reveal it now.
I'm not going to let you beat around the bush.
Your answer in 177 says to me "I do not actually have a good reason and I am fabricating one; in the meantime, please come up with something on your own to justify my play and maybe come to a scumread conclusion there yourself."

So, no.
I won't just 'look at some ISO's and 'get the gist of it'.
You'll explain it in full detail and won't 'hide' anything that you don't want to reveal 'quite yet', because that's bullshit.
Yeah.....When they say no because they want to see it develop naturally and so they don't scare him off it makes perfect sense. You pushing for the reveal of the Taly read is really yuck.

In post 182, Varsoon wrote:You talking about how you look in relation to me is scum posturing and attempts to make me change my position solely for towncred from you, which is something I could care less about.

I want your Taly read explained so that I can further understand the game at hand; not because it'll buy you any towncred.
The burden on me is not to explain why Taly is town; stop trying to walk back your read or force me to do something inorganic like explain a read I don't have and just explain your own damn read that you've already claimed.
Are you okay man?
They aren't going to sign as you like and they aren't explaining this read right now so...Iunno why you're trying to strongarm them into it.
Like you say they are browbeating and using emotional rhetoric, but that's exactly what I see from you...

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Post Post #212  (isolation #35)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:47 pm

In post 191, Almost Chara wrote:All caught up. Time to get us shot tonight. :P

Preliminary lynch pool (in no particular order): Shoshin the worst, Mewtaph, u r a person 2, pinturucchio, nicorobin, Kokichi Oma

Everyone else is on the positive side of null to some degree.

Disclaimer: I have not discussed any reads/reasoning with Chara yet. Thi8s preliminary list is subject to change when we do get to discuss stuff in the PT. After all, it's D1 and Chara is the one with the gift of tone reading alignments.

~The guy watching TV, playing Mafia, following a soccer game and eating all at the same time.
SEE now this is what I'm here for!
And while this is an easy throwaway post for scum, coming in when it did seems towny.

In post 192, pinturicchio wrote:Hey, I forgot this existed. I'm going to catch up now. Just skimmed this page and saw the votecount: UNVOTE: shoshin the worst , let's see what happened there.

By the way Shoshin and duck, could you sign your posts please? I don't know Shoshin and I think I can somewhat read the aussie
Uggh, why did you have to ask this! Of All Things! THIS!!! :facepalm:

In post 193, Taly wrote:
In post 181, Shoshin the worst wrote:taly is the kind of player capable of writing in a narrative driven fashion which means if we alert him to what were looking at/for too early, we'll lose what momentum we do have.
~ the worst & Shoshin


I'm flattered you guys think I'm this good as scum... but I think you guys underestimate my perceptiveness as town. :P

But this reinforces my point above. You both are using meta-logic to explain an early read on me, on how I make consistent narratives as scum.

Yet the only focal point I've made are two stances that I gathered through a 1v1 between you and Varsoon, which I townread both of you on. There's no motivation or means I could get towncred by posturing myself around your potential lynch if nobody is even entertaining my train of thought.
Two interessting points.
One is that I don't think you are outside your scungame yet, so I'll be keeping you in mind as the game progresses.
Second is the TvT read of S&W and Var. Can you explain the last line of this quote to me please?

In post 197, Taly wrote:Mephistophanes is an iffy read at the moment... Ari has contributed almost little to nothing of a unique thought, and I thought Nancy would do more than "just misuderstand" STW's hydra "not gonna sign" thing

Almost Chara obvtowned in

Like I can't see how scum would group such a specific area of people in a lynch pool, and proceed to give an honest positive read to the rest of the playerlist with the amount of chaos and town communication barriers present in the game thus far. (A 1v1, an L-1'd wagon that spawned from RVS initially, etc.)

By the way, can you explain your lynch pool Almost?
I've had unique thoughts!!! </3

In post 199, Taly wrote:also for everyone who disagrees with me on STW, give me a SIMPLE bullet-pointed list on the reasons their posting is scum-motivated

*optional challenge because y not?*
convince me how Mephisto isn't scum :)
Because our Role PM was green :P
Nice appreviation btw! Mephisto sounds awesome =D

In post 201, Varsoon wrote:I forgot how much I love Taly-posting.
It's been too looong.

I don't know what to make of Mephisto. They kept coming up with excuses/outs for STW to take, which rang a bit awkward to me.
Well you keep being ridiculous. I'm just trying to be a reasonable party in all of this!

In post 204, Alchemist21 wrote:I think mephisto giving outs makes them Town. Scum-to-Town wouldn’t give an out at all, and we know scum have daytalk so if they were scum together I imagine that giving them an idea on how to excuse their play would have happened in the scum PT. Town gives outs like that when they want to consider the possibilities without jumping the gun. It’s a fluffy slot but I think that’s mostly Ari being Ari.
I'm...I'm fuffly and unoriginal eh?
Geez guys </3

XD I kid. I like the way you are thinking critically about this so that's points into the townbin :)

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Post Post #213  (isolation #36)  » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:49 pm

In post 211, Alchemist21 wrote:I haven’t modded in ages and can’t say Krazy is like me, but I personally would have counted your vote as a mod since the post it came with made it apparent who it was directed at. I really want my vote there but not if it’s going to run the risk of a lolhammer ending the day prematurely.
*sigh*

Fine, I'll null that strike against you.

Just, I don't know any mod that would count that, at least in the current site modding pool.

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Post Post #224  (isolation #37)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:00 am

In post 223, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 150, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 137, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Varsoon posted 2 links, one to Starcraft 1, where you encouraged everyone multiple times to “stretch their mind” and the second, to TAZ, where you didn’t do that even once.

That's a bad use of meta. There's nothing inherently scummy about that phrase. It just means "break out the box you're in," or "challenge your way of thinking," which are phrases I've definitely used before as town (e.g. in Laybrinth when discussing your reads).

For some background, I say "stretch your mind" quite often in my yoga teaching to shift how people relate to their mind/body during a practice. It's just a part of how I speak in real life contexts. I'd never thought to use it in the context of mafia until Starcraft 1 because I don't usually use the phrase in an intellectual context.

I was very happy with how it applied in Starcraft 1 and I couldn't even contain my excitement when Varsoon picked the phrase up. Yes, it's such a great phrase that even Varsoon (who doesn't seem to like me much) used the phrase himself in Starcraft 1, as TOWN. Point being, it has nothing to do with alignment. It's just a phrase with a useful meaning in the context of a mafia game. I intend to use it a lot more.

-the worst

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Why you signing as your hydra mate Shoshin?
The only time I’ve considered THAT trick was as scum in a hydra with NM, and while part of the plan there was just to be silly, there was also intent to confuse posting times with it. So there’s tangible scum advantage to signing as the wrong head.
-Emerald Star
It's not a trick, they're doing it to purposely troll Varsoon and others worried about signing.
They left clues as to who it was in both missigned posts, and people picked up on them.
They're making a statement, plain and simple. Nothing AI in it.
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Post Post #225  (isolation #38)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:00 am

^^^ You know who the fuck this is because nancy isn't on board with this shit and I've made it clear I am. Not signing it.
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Post Post #227  (isolation #39)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:03 am

Gdi what a time to pagetop XD

pinturicchio wrote:Sorry guys couldn't catch up when I said I was gonna. I'm reading this tomorrow.
Looking forward to it~
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Post Post #229  (isolation #40)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:07 am

In post 228, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 185, u r a person 2 wrote:i read over the isos

varsoon could be right

but i don't want this lynch anymore right now

I think I'll join you on Taly.

VOTE: Taly
Hi Taly,
Would you kindly talk to me about your varsoon read (or any read you have other than Shoshin the worst)

At this point I see nothing to indicate Taly is not simply misled here
@Grecian philosopher: I guess you have a point, if it was from a hydra that was signing seriously I’d really have a problem but since they’re already taking the piss here it’s understandable, not that I like it any more.
-Gemerald (shout-outs to Ari, the originator of this nickname!)
<3 <3

Yeah, if it were a think that started D2 or something I'd be miffed but this is not the case. It;s part of why I am frustrated that everyone is making such a big deal over it!

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Post Post #237  (isolation #41)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:21 am

In post 232, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 225, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:^^^ You know who the fuck this is because nancy isn't on board with this shit and I've made it clear I am. Not signing it.

Ari, i know you're trying to make a point here, but please sign your posts. not sometimes because "it's obvious", or because you said something only you would say.
for players like me, who already get easily confused when playing games due to genuine memory issues, i often can't tell who's posting anyway, or i need to expend effort to do so. it matters less if Nancy is signing every single time, and you aren't, but it takes so little effort to just do.

it means that instead of seeing the post and knowing it's you, i now i have to go and make sure it isn't just Nancy changing her mind, and i also have to remember that Nancy made the point about disliking it at all. that sounds easy, but it isn't, for me.
~Chara
Okay, sorry Chara :(

I had honestly forgotten to sign that one and figured it was obviously me in the runn of things considering I'm the one who is on.

I'll switch back to Obvistophanes as Por Flavor was more of me taking a piss and I honestly don't mean to make the game harder for anyone, especially someone who both legit needs the consistency as well as being simply awesome <3

I apologize for being a dick and whatnot!

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Post Post #254  (isolation #42)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:18 am

In post 162, Alchemist21 wrote:Are you asking us or the hydra?


The hydra. How are you an “us” btw? :lol:

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Post Post #255  (isolation #43)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:31 am

In post 163, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 79, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:P.edit. It is suspicious. Ari thought it might be some kind of RVS gag but I agree, it is kind of giving me slight scum vibes, especially considering both were scum in Starcraft 1.

I'm sorry, what?
what part of it is giving you scumvibes? It is literally a decision we made pre-game.

In post 81, Talywrote: wrote:
In post 61, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 60, Taly wrote:whats awkward is that L-3 wagon on you

What's awkward about it Taly?


Your response to it.


elaborate please?



@nancy you should feel bad for nearly every post you've made. Literally. You're peddling nonsense.
@harpoon your ISO has become such a farce I'm losing my rvs townread on you. get back to fucking playing.

we're 7 pages in and the only person not circularly shitposting about misunderstanding out hydra dynamic seems to be Taly, who is instead making nonsense reads which I like for scum. is anybody else town this game? probably. why the fuck are town wasting so much time on game theory related nonsense which is not going to catch scum? this is a decision we made post-game. if you don't like it push us for it but embrace the fact you're pushing a POLICY LYNCH and when people re-read this nonsense after we flip you're going to look exactly as stupid as you're beiny. given the strength of this list I'm surprised how much stupid bullshit you're all entertaining rather than actually playing mafia.

can anyone even give me reads on slots other than ours? jfc

- obv!Shoshin


I don’t feel bad because I think the request that you meet us halfway with this whole synchronized thing is valid. However, this post sounds better than anything either of you posted last game. I should have realized Varsoon was town in Starcraft 1, due to him objecting to the whole townblock bs.
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Post Post #256  (isolation #44)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:35 am

In post 166, Shoshin the worst wrote:I'm not negotiating. I am telling you, if you're town you need to start reconsidering the way you approach this kind of situation.
When I'm less annoyed I will be looking for players who are actually trying to sort the game.

Why are you hyperfocusing on our hydra dynamic when it is a pregame decision and there are fourteen other slots?


Ffs, you’re expecting us to KNOW this, because you say so? Give me a break. :roll:
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Post Post #257  (isolation #45)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:36 am

In post 168, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 163, Shoshin the worst wrote:@nancy you should feel bad for nearly every post you've made. Literally. You're peddling nonsense.
@harpoon your ISO has become such a farce I'm losing my rvs townread on you. get back to fucking playing.

can i take these to be scum reads?


Is that what they posted? :shifty:
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Post Post #258  (isolation #46)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:41 am

In post 170, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 168, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 163, Shoshin the worst wrote:@nancy you should feel bad for nearly every post you've made. Literally. You're peddling nonsense.
@harpoon your ISO has become such a farce I'm losing my rvs townread on you. get back to fucking playing.

can i take these to be scum reads?

sadly not. we are nulltown on Varsoon but are also considering just ignoring him until he removes his trousers from his head. Ari has also been towny and I am not sure getting preoccupied by this bullshit is scum indicative for Nancy.

take it as my "slap yourself upside the head" reads.

taly is a scumread though


@Varsoon, as uberannoying as stw are, this doesn’t sound like something very likely to come from scum either of them but particularly scum!Shoshin.

Remember in Starcraft 1, when I even dared to have the slightest sr on scum!Shoshin, she immediately pushed for my mislynch. Wanting to smack me, is town indicative for her.
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Post Post #259  (isolation #47)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:48 am

In post 171, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 169, Varsoon wrote:Your hydra signing is the least of why I scumread you.
I'm not going to re-assess because the last time that you used a combination of 'stretch your mind', emotional rhetoric, and this kind of browbeating to force me to reassess an early scumread on you, you were third party anti-town.
So, nope.
Not going to happen.

yes and we were both universally townread there
=> the stuff you are describing is the towngame or Shoshin, independently.

using a phrase she used ?once? maybe twice? in a single scumgame which she uses irl as a reliable scumtell is a trainwreck and uou should know that. Nancy will be able to testify to TPFKAP's "witch hunt" tell. that is only reliable because that player has used it across enough games it's obviously a subconscious wording choice.


Wrt to Porkens/TPFKAP’s “witchhunt” tell, is something she only says as caught scum.

Varsoon, irritation over sr a slot for pushing her, is town indicative for Shoshin. If Shoshin were scum here, one of us would already be wagoned by now.

I was obvtown sr tw and her, post NM mislynch. Town!Shoshin would have townlocked me for that, instead of trying to push my mislynch. She is mad here, not saying stupid shit like she did last game.
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Post Post #260  (isolation #48)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:58 am

In post 178, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 87, Varsoon wrote:@Proflavor: Could you sign your posts?


He said "woof"! That's definitely profii (the guy sitting behind his dog in his personal avatar).

I am still catching up, but Nancy's already confusing me. Her posts are definitely towny in tone, but -up to post 87- I didn't see her signature crumb. Like..

Mephistopheles is not your name
I know what you're up to just the same
I will listen hard to your tuition
You will see it come to its fruition
I'll be wrapped around your finger
I'll be wrapped around your finger




P.S. So as not to confuse anyone, this is not a crumb of our role in any way, shape or form. It's a mix or referencing how Nancy usually crumbs with videos + a joke about the hydra name

~The half-a-century old head


Aside from once again applauding your musical taste, I was FBI agent in Overkill 2 and trying to crumb my Sarah Kerrigan status in Starcraft 1, so I am legit confused by this. I don’t crumb every single game I’m in, nor do I always post videos or gifs. If you seriously think that is something I do EVERY game i’m in, a quick ISO of all of my past games, should very quickly disabuse you of that. :lol:

Did you notice our sigline yet? If not, you should feel really bad about that. :wink:
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Post Post #261  (isolation #49)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:03 am

In post 181, Shoshin the worst wrote:Varsoon we've been sorting and moving the game more than you. When people stop hyperventilating about out hydra decision, we will look townier than you. We don't need the towncred of explaining our Taly read preemptively. taly is the kind of player capable of writing in a narrative driven fashion which means if we alert him to what were looking at/for too early, we'll lose what momentum we do have.


So, no. I am not going to bow down to your browbeating overbearing tactics. Disagreeing with us here is only beneficial for Taly, in that he'll be harder to catch if he is indeed scum. If you heavily disagree, explain why he's town. You are going to need the towncred more than us.

~ the worst & Shoshin


@Shoshin, Taly was scum in Labrynth but he is playing differently here. Not disagreeing with you, or even suggesting that the difference in play is AI, just different. If anyone has any links to a Taly towngame, that would be much appreciated.
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Post Post #262  (isolation #50)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:06 am

In post 186, Varsoon wrote:I'm not raging, Shoshin--I'm applying pressure to your slot and I don't appreciate your multiple attempts to rewrite my push on you as anything but.

I'd love to talk about Taly, but you've decided to dodge that subject entirely.
So, nah, I don't wanna talk about anyone else.
I want you lynched.


Are you townreading Taly then? Because unless you think they’re wrong, I think you shouldn’t disregard this.
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Post Post #263  (isolation #51)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:12 am

In post 192, pinturicchio wrote:Hey, I forgot this existed. I'm going to catch up now. Just skimmed this page and saw the votecount: UNVOTE: shoshin the worst , let's see what happened there.

By the way Shoshin and duck, could you sign your posts please? I don't know Shoshin and I think I can somewhat read the aussie

In post 193, Taly wrote:@STW

Spoiler: WARNING: huge textwall shit, its not too long, everyone should read it especially STW
In post 163, Shoshin the worst wrote:elaborate please?


tbh, all of my posts before were reaction tests.

I knew my 'townvibes' and were both flippant and random.

I knew I deflected your vote/questionnaire about my thought on Kokichi by focusing on you wagon. and

Part of my motivation was to actually understand why you thought the Kokichi townvibe I gave was awkward; I've never had much gameplay with Kokichi so I took his posts by the fact that I believed he wanted people to discuss his claim and never followed it up with serious remarks. The other part was because I wanted to read both of you without the wagon influencing me, STW. Other than [b]Almost50, and Nancy, you two are the only people who have seen me as BOTH alignments.

I wanted to see what conclusions you'd draw about me based off my posting, so I can see how genuine and constructed your read on me was.

I also wanted you to actually engage with the wagon on you, without being distracted by myself. Thus the prompts to your wagon.

I townread your guys' slot, and now I feel a bit more confident saying this as I've seen the thread unravel.

In post 163, Shoshin the worst wrote:ewe're 7 pages in and the only person not circularly shitposting about misunderstanding out hydra dynamic seems to be Taly


The rest of this post is genuine frustration with the playerlist, which I like.

I also understand why you scumread me here, because BOTH of you have seen me get far and WIN my scum-games through deepwolfing, and defending town mislynches for towncred.

But this is misguided. Quickwagons are really stupid and whether someone signs as a hydra are not is NAI most of the time, tbh. My townlean on you guys was the real reason why I voiced against the wagon. (Also because I disliked some reasoning around some people's votes there, ones that were serious including ProFlavor's and I need to reread Alchemists')

In post 181, Shoshin the worst wrote:taly is the kind of player capable of writing in a narrative driven fashion which means if we alert him to what were looking at/for too early, we'll lose what momentum we do have.
~ the worst & Shoshin


I'm flattered you guys think I'm this good as scum... but I think you guys underestimate my perceptiveness as town. :P

But this reinforces my point above. You both are using meta-logic to explain an early read on me, on how I make consistent narratives as scum.

Yet the only focal point I've made are two stances that I gathered through a 1v1 between you and Varsoon, which I townread both of you on. There's no motivation or means I could get towncred by posturing myself around your potential lynch if nobody is even entertaining my train of thought.


Wrt the underlined, when have I seen town!you? I only remember playing with scum!you in Labrynth. If you’re possibly referring to Undertale, then I probably don’t remember. Sorry.
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Post Post #266  (isolation #52)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:17 am

In post 197, Taly wrote:Mephistophanes is an iffy read at the moment... Ari has contributed almost little to nothing of a unique thought, and I thought Nancy would do more than "just misuderstand" STW's hydra "not gonna sign" thing

Almost Chara obvtowned in

Like I can't see how scum would group such a specific area of people in a lynch pool, and proceed to give an honest positive read to the rest of the playerlist with the amount of chaos and town communication barriers present in the game thus far. (A 1v1, an L-1'd wagon that spawned from RVS initially, etc.)

By the way, can you explain your lynch pool Almost?


What part of our not actually voting them, did you miss?
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Post Post #268  (isolation #53)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:21 am

In post 199, Taly wrote:also for everyone who disagrees with me on STW, give me a SIMPLE bullet-pointed list on the reasons their posting is scum-motivated

*optional challenge because y not?*
convince me how Mephisto isn't scum :)


We’re not. And why are we scum here? Based on?

I don’t like this post. You have no basis to sr us and you formulating this like this is somehow obvious to anyone other than lobotomised individuals, is really scummy af.
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Post Post #270  (isolation #54)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:25 am

In post 201, Varsoon wrote:I forgot how much I love Taly-posting.
It's been too looong.

I don't know what to make of Mephisto. They kept coming up with excuses/outs for STW to take, which rang a bit awkward to me.


I felt/still do feel that they are being shortsighted and stubborn with this whole synchronization thing. I don’t see how you view that as giving them an out. Rn, I would vote Taly over them, any day. I really hated his last post. It looked like scum posturing to me.
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Post Post #272  (isolation #55)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:26 am

In post 202, Taly wrote:
In post 200, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 197, Taly wrote:By the way, can you explain your lynch pool Almost?


I don't feel like I should at this time (i.e. before I get to talk to Chara). Once we've discussed and reached a "close to mutual" reads then I/they can post the reasoning behind the read on each slot.

~A50


good answer

ok townread strengthened ty A50 <3


They probably are and that’s not getting you off the hook for your previously sketchy post.
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Post Post #274  (isolation #56)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:33 am

In post 204, Alchemist21 wrote:I think mephisto giving outs makes them Town. Scum-to-Town wouldn’t give an out at all, and we know scum have daytalk so if they were scum together I imagine that giving them an idea on how to excuse their play would have happened in the scum PT. Town gives outs like that when they want to consider the possibilities without jumping the gun. It’s a fluffy slot but I think that’s mostly Ari being Ari.


Right, we or rather I don’t. I find it extremely annoying and I completely disagree with it but since they changed their focus from being snarky to actually playing the game, it really does seem like town!Shoshin to me.

We’re both currently liking you, AC and T & L for town so far.
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Post Post #275  (isolation #57)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:34 am

In post 205, Shoshin the worst wrote:VOTE: u r a person 2


Why?
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Post Post #276  (isolation #58)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:47 am

In post 232, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 225, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:^^^ You know who the fuck this is because nancy isn't on board with this shit and I've made it clear I am. Not signing it.

Ari, i know you're trying to make a point here, but please sign your posts. not sometimes because "it's obvious", or because you said something only you would say.
for players like me, who already get easily confused when playing games due to genuine memory issues, i often can't tell who's posting anyway, or i need to expend effort to do so. it matters less if Nancy is signing every single time, and you aren't, but it takes so little effort to just do.

it means that instead of seeing the post and knowing it's you, i now i have to go and make sure it isn't just Nancy changing her mind, and i also have to remember that Nancy made the point about disliking it at all. that sounds easy, but it isn't, for me.
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I’m actually surprised by Ari’s strongly different reaction because he hasn’t said too much about it in our Discord chat. That said, I 100% agree with AC’s view on that.
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Post Post #277  (isolation #59)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:52 am

In post 233, Shoshin the worst wrote:Hey Gamma, nice to play with you again. Any thoughts on U2's alignment?



Spoiler:



For you A50, :wink:
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Post Post #278  (isolation #60)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:55 am

In post 276, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I’m actually surprised by Ari’s strongly different reaction because he hasn’t said too much about it in our Discord chat. That said, I 100% agree with AC’s view on that.
Yeah, sorry about that.

Apparently I feel strongly about this...
Developped the more I read this dumb shit clogging the thread.

- Obvi
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Post Post #279  (isolation #61)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:13 am

In post 236, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 232, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 225, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:^^^ You know who the fuck this is because nancy isn't on board with this shit and I've made it clear I am. Not signing it.

Ari, i know you're trying to make a point here, but please sign your posts. not sometimes because "it's obvious", or because you said something only you would say.
for players like me, who already get easily confused when playing games due to genuine memory issues, i often can't tell who's posting anyway, or i need to expend effort to do so. it matters less if Nancy is signing every single time, and you aren't, but it takes so little effort to just do.

it means that instead of seeing the post and knowing it's you, i now i have to go and make sure it isn't just Nancy changing her mind, and i also have to remember that Nancy made the point about disliking it at all. that sounds easy, but it isn't, for me.
~Chara

With a post like that where they name drop their hydra partner it’s pretty easy to tell, though. Unless they were being extremely weird and speaking about themselves in 3rd person.
-the irradiated gemstone


:lol:

Yeah, I think if you reference your hydra partner in a post, it’s pretty damned obvious.
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Post Post #280  (isolation #62)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:15 am

In post 242, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 217, u r a person 2 wrote:I've also noticed pintu promising a catch up, and I've been watching to see if he was going to follow through. I guess it's been long enough to plop a vote there.

VOTE: Pintu

Hey you!

What do you think of pintu's post so far? I'd be interested to hear. I had a conversation with the voice in my head about it earlier.


Did it quack?

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Post Post #293  (isolation #63)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:59 am

In post 265, Varsoon wrote:I don't have an informed read on Taly yet. Leaning more town there than not right now. Wish Shoshin wouldn't dodge responsibility for their read there, wish you wouldn't consistently chainsaw the slot either, Mephisto.

@Mewtaph: Why would it be entertaining if NotChara crumbed that?


Can I not disagree with you on this? All last game, I was wracking my brain, trying to figure out why very little of Shoshin’s play made any sense, based on what I know of her meta and with just a few posts, I feel better about them here, then I ever did once in that entire game, because Shoshin’s play, she they stopped being a smartass, is reminding me of what I remember from Labrynth - something that never happened even once in Starcraft 1.

So, if they keep this up and don’t replicate any of the weird shit they did last game, I’ll continue to tr them.

~N

That said, I still am not a fan of their synchronized reads thing but you have to base your read on content and can’t you see how it’s very different from last game?
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Post Post #295  (isolation #64)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:03 am

In post 273, Michael Scott wrote:Townleaning Nancy's slot as well now. :P

~Jim


:o

Did the appocalypse happen? When did Auro start to read me correctly? :lol:
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Post Post #301  (isolation #65)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:25 am

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In post 281, Taly wrote:
Spoiler: Replying to the presumably Nancy head
Yeah, Nancy... I was referring to Undertale as a towngame you took part in. :roll:

In post 262, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 186, Varsoon wrote:I'm not raging, Shoshin--I'm applying pressure to your slot and I don't appreciate your multiple attempts to rewrite my push on you as anything but.

I'd love to talk about Taly, but you've decided to dodge that subject entirely.
So, nah, I don't wanna talk about anyone else.
I want you lynched.


Are you townreading Taly then? Because unless you think they’re wrong, I think you shouldn’t disregard this.
'

So you think Varsoon should drop his scumread push on STW just because he doesn't feel as strongly on another scumread player?

In post 263, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 193, Taly wrote:@STW


Wrt the underlined, when have I seen town!you? I only remember playing with scum!you in Labrynth. If you’re possibly referring to Undertale, then I probably don’t remember. Sorry.


I spent an entire post constructing my thoughts so far in the game and townreading STW.... and you only comment about me mentioning you in the games I've played?

...

In post 266, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 197, Taly wrote:Mephistophanes is an iffy read at the moment... Ari has contributed almost little to nothing of a unique thought, and I thought Nancy would do more than "just misuderstand" STW's hydra "not gonna sign" thing

Almost Chara obvtowned in

Like I can't see how scum would group such a specific area of people in a lynch pool, and proceed to give an honest positive read to the rest of the playerlist with the amount of chaos and town communication barriers present in the game thus far. (A 1v1, an L-1'd wagon that spawned from RVS initially, etc.)

By the way, can you explain your lynch pool Almost?


What part of our not actually voting them, did you miss?


So you've been posting in this game all this time and haven't conjured a strong scumread or townread, or are even pushing to acquire one?

The fact that you spent multiple posts debating with STW and disagreeing with Ari on how to handle their "not signing" thing while you don't place or vote or do anything else doesn't ring to me as town-motivated.

Do you have reads aside from Vars and STW?

In post 268, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 199, Taly wrote:also for everyone who disagrees with me on STW, give me a SIMPLE bullet-pointed list on the reasons their posting is scum-motivated

*optional challenge because y not?*
convince me how Mephisto isn't scum :)


We’re not. And why are we scum here? Based on?

I don’t like this post. You have no basis to sr us and you formulating this like this is somehow obvious to anyone other than lobotomised individuals, is really scummy af.


Yeah, I do have a REASON to suspect you/ari as scum. For the amount of posting both of you have done, there's very little content.

You keep putting up the defense of "you're being really scummy" and "why scumread us" but you're not actually entertaining why, aside from painting my posts toward you as pro-scum.

Hell, it took a LITTLE post of me pushing for responses on your slot, and your next posts are to disregard any content I've had with multiple people in the game, and minimize any thought I have over you.

The fact that you don't put up a vote and just continue to 'mildly entertain' my wagon in , doesn't read as genuine.

And if you're going to make the bullshit argument that I'm posturing, then why not evaluate the TvT between STW and Vars that I concluded from my own reads? You're making multiple accusations without really looking anything deeper than a centimeter into my posts.

~
Spoiler: Replying to the presumably Ari head
In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 191, Almost Chara wrote:All caught up. Time to get us shot tonight. :P

Preliminary lynch pool (in no particular order): Shoshin the worst, Mewtaph, u r a person 2, pinturucchio, nicorobin, Kokichi Oma

Everyone else is on the positive side of null to some degree.

Disclaimer: I have not discussed any reads/reasoning with Chara yet. Thi8s preliminary list is subject to change when we do get to discuss stuff in the PT. After all, it's D1 and Chara is the one with the gift of tone reading alignments.

~The guy watching TV, playing Mafia, following a soccer game and eating all at the same time.
SEE now this is what I'm here for!
And while this is an easy throwaway post for scum, coming in when it did seems towny.


I actually made a reason behind why I thought Almost was town by this point... but you make the whole statement of "it could be scum, but it's appearing towny" isn't a concrete read...

In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 193, Taly wrote:
In post 181, Shoshin the worst wrote:taly is the kind of player capable of writing in a narrative driven fashion which means if we alert him to what were looking at/for too early, we'll lose what momentum we do have.
~ the worst & Shoshin


I'm flattered you guys think I'm this good as scum... but I think you guys underestimate my perceptiveness as town. :P

But this reinforces my point above. You both are using meta-logic to explain an early read on me, on how I make consistent narratives as scum.

Yet the only focal point I've made are two stances that I gathered through a 1v1 between you and Varsoon, which I townread both of you on. There's no motivation or means I could get towncred by posturing myself around your potential lynch if nobody is even entertaining my train of thought.
Two interessting points.
One is that I don't think you are outside your scungame yet, so I'll be keeping you in mind as the game progresses.
Second is the TvT read of S&W and Var. Can you explain the last line of this quote to me please?


I'm saying, the only major even I've responded to in this game so far, is STW/Vars when they were 1v1ing, and I concluded they were both town off my own reasons.

:igmeou: And what are you talking about Ari? You've never played with me as scum to my memory.

And also, why is "Taly's not outside of his scumgame" a reason to not try and view town-motivation in my posts?

In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 197, Taly wrote:Mephistophanes is an iffy read at the moment... Ari has contributed almost little to nothing of a unique thought, and I thought Nancy would do more than "just misuderstand" STW's hydra "not gonna sign" thing
I've had unique thoughts!!! </3


Where are they?

In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 199, Taly wrote:also for everyone who disagrees with me on STW, give me a SIMPLE bullet-pointed list on the reasons their posting is scum-motivated

*optional challenge because y not?*
convince me how Mephisto isn't scum :)
Because our Role PM was green :P
Nice appreviation btw! Mephisto sounds awesome =D


<3 Please explain why you and Nancy are confident I'm going to flip red, and if I'm making a wrong conclusion about your read, give me a reason as to why I am.

In post 212, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 201, Varsoon wrote:I forgot how much I love Taly-posting.
It's been too looong.

I don't know what to make of Mephisto. They kept coming up with excuses/outs for STW to take, which rang a bit awkward to me.
Well you keep being ridiculous. I'm just trying to be a reasonable party in all of this!


Reasonable... and ineffective. :roll:


...I really want STW to jump into the thread and explain their read on me AND reply to my spoiler to them, because at the moment, I can't find a town-motivated reason for anyone else to push a scumread on me UNLESS they actually give THEIR OWN opinion. :igmeou:


Sorry, my memory on who was what in Undertale is fuzzy.

I wanted to know if his then read on you was different than stw, because I tend to tr people if they mindmeld with me. So, if Varsoon shared stw’s then read on your slot, it should logically affect his then read on stw. Makes sense?

I respond to whatever portion(s) of a post that interest me for whatever reason. Sorry-not-sorry if you disapprove.

You were clearly ignoring my play in both games, since you obviously know nothing about my meta.

I don’t have anything “strong”, this early in the game, besides coffee.

I already mentioned a few trs that Ari and I both agree on. HINT: you currently aren’t one of them, for EITHER of us but no reason to give up hope yet, we’re still trying to sort you. :]

Again, when you have bothered to actually take the time and ISO me, we’ll talk. You want to push a bs scumread on us, while ignoring our meta, go for it but don’t expect either Ari or myself to take you seriously.

Oh and fyi Sherlock, All I said was I would vote you before stw, that’s it, so where the hell is this overreaction even coming from? Yes, I definitely think they’re currently townier than you. That’s hardly even remotely a shade or a push. Also, not impressed by that AtE either. Sorry. Do better. :)

~ Oh N head btw.

Probably obvious because Ari is much nicer than me.
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Post Post #311  (isolation #66)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:45 am

In post 298, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, Taly's town.
Alchemist is town.

Need to sort:
Kokichi, who should be more present and who's IC claim only makes sense one way that I can figure
Pint, who seems to really be slipping under the radar.


I'm still good for a STW lynch, all that said.

@Mephisto: Keep in mind that Shoshin was 3P that actually had to scumhunt in Starcraft 1, whereas here Shoshin would just be hard scum having to fake scumreads.


I think you sincerely believe this but I have a pretty good idea how town!Shoshin thinks and so far, their posting seems to be lining up with that. In last game, I was weirded out by all of the disconnects scum!Shoshin had - like pretty much NGAF about mislynches for example. In Labrynth, she would get extremely upset about that, so no, I’m not townlocking anyone yet but what I’m currently seeing from them is currently in line, with what I’d expect to see from town!Shoshin. But we know Shoshin is really good at that, which is why we should have powerlynched her after Kokichi mislynch. IOW, she obviously figured out not only who the scum were but also who to pocket.

Like I said, my reads are fluid but once they actually started playing, as opposed to just being annoying - everything they’ve posted so far looks townie. If that changes, I’ll obviously reassess. But for now, I think they’re fine.

I think that you are probably town, since I feel the sincerity in your frustration. MS, is probably town as well - even if it is a sign of the apocalypse - that Auro is correctly reading me. He thought I might be scum in Excalibur. :lol:

I do understand where you’re coming from and this is where the whole signing thing can come into play, and this is why I 100% agree with AC on this, because it really hurts stw, that they synchronize their posts first, which makes them seem less natural than if they just posted more off the cuff. So, I can understand why it’s much harder for you to see what I do and it sucks that they’re making it more difficult than it needs to be but that doesn’t make them scum.

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Post Post #313  (isolation #67)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:48 am

In post 300, Varsoon wrote:Nico, talk to me.
Let's play ball.
Don't be like White Diamond and spend all day isolated from the people who need to talk to you.


I kind of got the feeling that Nico wasn’t exactly happy about this game. I asked her why and I’m still waiting on an answer.
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Post Post #316  (isolation #68)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:54 am

In post 302, Taly wrote:lol you keep dismissing all of my posts as either AtE or an overrreaction but that only reads as minimizing any point i make on you. could it be because im correct?

2 games is NOT enough to have any reliable meta read, and considering your Undertale memory is SO fuzzy; you've NEVER seen me as town.

So I don't understand the mindmeld you're having with STW here, and I don't care if it's in your meta to "not be as nice" as Ari. -_-*...


No, you’re definitely not correct. If sure you love this response even more. Amirite?

I made an earlier post asking anyone for a link to one of your town games. Did you miss that?

That isn’t at all what I said. *headbang*

I was responding to your question about my asking Varsoon about his then read on you wrt to stw, to determine whether THEY - him and stw - not me and them - were mindmelding on that or not.

Noted.
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Post Post #317  (isolation #69)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:58 am

In post 303, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, I really don't understand the scumreads on Taly.
Mephistophane's isn't all that well articulated and lacks venom and STW's has been "Just trust me I gotta figure out some trajectory" excuse for waiting until later in the game to explain their read.


How are we not articulate and I was spewing “venom” in the last game, because so many people were wrongly sr me. Had tw not beat me to hydraing with Shoshin, you’d probably have seen a lot more of it, since you’d probably be sr me. I don’t get upset without cause - unless I’m actually misunderstanding you here and you meant something else?
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Post Post #318  (isolation #70)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:00 am

In post 304, Taly wrote:dont patronize me either nancy :igmeou:


Sorry, I find it difficult to be nice to anyone who fmpov, has a ludicrous sr on me. *shrug*
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Post Post #320  (isolation #71)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:02 am

In post 305, Varsoon wrote:It's more than just that I disagree with them;
I fundamentally do not understand where either slot is coming from and the basis that either has for a scumread there.


Yes, I do wish they would explain that more. @Stw, is there some reason you are holding back in explaining your srs/votes?
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Post Post #321  (isolation #72)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:06 am

In post 306, Varsoon wrote:You can patreonize me
As in
Give me freebucks


:lol:

Sure, once I win the lottery.

Or also, if you start a youtube channel. :P

Like I honestly don’t mean to be rude but Taly’s reason for sr us, is just out there to me, for want of a better phrase, so I just can’t take it at all seriously.
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Post Post #327  (isolation #73)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:15 am

In post 307, Taly wrote:
In post 303, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, I really don't understand the scumreads on Taly.
Mephistophane's isn't all that well articulated and lacks venom and STW's has been "Just trust me I gotta figure out some trajectory" excuse for waiting until later in the game to explain their read.


The thing is, I made a COMPLETE reply on ANY meta-scumread about me in my STW spoiler textwall.

And their leads to me thinking their read on me is meta-based.

Mephisto is actively ignoring any posts I've made to explain my thoughts.

If they're really town, they need to actually step back and talk their thoughts out together because it doesn't read as consistent or productive to gamesolving


Look, I don’t do things that way - EVER and if that is your only means to sort me, then you will be incorrectly reading me, in ever game we play together.

If you seriously can’t see why others are tr us, then it most probably because you are tunnelled. Do a metacheck on me, as I already advised you. Until you do, this line of conversation is pointless.
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Post Post #328  (isolation #74)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:17 am

In post 310, Varsoon wrote:I don't really have a good one.
People seem to be pointing to how Mephisto chainsawing STW might be a town mindset but I'm not sure that it's really all that alignment indicative, just a bit of a confusing position (from my PoV) to hold.


Well after some flips, I think that would become a lot more apparent.
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Post Post #331  (isolation #75)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:25 am

In post 312, Taly wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76341

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098

these were my most recent completed mafia games... both of which were several months ago so meta there isn't too reliable within itself.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75978

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=76441

here are 2 compeleted towngames... which is not 100% accurate meta anymore

>_> I'm focusing waaaaay too much on a read with me but this is annoying AF

...I'm done with entertaining ANY meta-stated read on me after this point, and I'm not replying to Mephisto until they actually develop a unique read or respond to whenever the fuck STW decides to post


Thanks for these. In your case meta isn’t terribly reliable. I can see examples from your posts here that I similar examples in both your scum/town games. So, I was starting to tl you but after reading these, it’s a complete null.
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Post Post #335  (isolation #76)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:31 am

In post 314, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 311, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:MS, is probably town as well - even if it is a sign of the apocalypse - that Auro is correctly reading me. He thought I might be scum in Excalibur.

Heya, I obv-towned you in Jester till you went all anti-strategy :P
And I townread you in Excalibur!

Also... "Aurocalypse"? Or is that too much :lol:

Also, you're not worried I'm trying to pocket you?

~James


I’m really digging that name. If we ever hydra together, I want that name. :lol:

I only tend to worry about that, when it either seems A) to come out of nowhere. B) makes no sense. C) reads disingenuous or fake somehow.

Generally if I’m suspicious of a tr on me, I usually have a damn good reason for it and am more often than not, correct.

James? What happened to Jimothy? :lol:
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Post Post #339  (isolation #77)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:39 am

In post 323, Varsoon wrote:I'm not really sold on this play being in line with their previous towngames. I've never seen Shoshin be this furtive about a read and, in my experience, when people are that dodgy, it's because they are scum.

It's also important to note that it's not just Shoshin driving that hydra; theworst is in there, too. If we're to believe their posts are jointly written and they are posting as 'one entity' or whatever, you should take that into account as well.

Regardless, I'm basing my reads (as much as I can) on this game and its contents, independent of anything else. In this game, I don't like how the STW slot has played. Their appeals when I was pressuring them strike me as really egregious, too.

P-EDIT: I wish Nico would be more present in games. Nico joining games, then getting frustrated and lowkey ducking out makes it really hard to read the slot.

P-PEDIT:
@Tibor & Lumia : White Diamond is a character from Steven Universe and is relevant in the current arc that's being shown. She's highly secluded--Steven throws a ball just to get a chance to talk to her, but she doesn't show up.

@Mephisto: I mean that I'm not seeing a lot of articulation about why Taly is scum here. I'm not seeing real passion in your read against Taly; when I say it lacks venom, I don't mean frustration or expletives, I mean that your read there is without much of a push; if you scumread them, it's not like you're doing anything to wagon them or get them lynched, etc.

P-P-PEDIT:
I might start a youtube channel, but I dunno what I'd put on there. :/
I stream from time to time, when I find time for it.


Taly is the one who keeps insisting I’m sr him. All I said was that I’m not currently tr him. I never push unless I’m really confident like I was with Mitilos, because I caught him in a lie and knew he was confiscum. It is extremely rare for me to have confident hard scumreads on D1. Usually when that happens, scum is being blatantly obvscummy.

Based on the games Taly linked, he can show similar levels of frustration as either alignment. I don’t know how closely you were paying attention to Labrynth but I incorrectly wrong townread him for much of that game. My metareads based on play > to reads based off of metachecks.
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Post Post #342  (isolation #78)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:49 am

In post 326, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 314, Michael Scott wrote:Also, you're not worried I'm trying to pocket you?

Nancy's ignoring me, I see. :roll:

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No, I’m not. I was just catching up.
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Post Post #343  (isolation #79)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:52 am

In post 337, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 335, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I’m really digging that name. If we ever hydra together, I want that name. :lol:

Sure. :3

In post 335, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I only tend to worry about that, when it either seems A) to come out of nowhere. B) makes no sense. C) reads disingenuous or fake somehow.

Generally if I’m suspicious of a tr on me, I usually have a damn good reason for it and am more often than not, correct.

I thought you'd take my townlean to be both A) and C), I haven't even explained why I townlean you though..?
In post 335, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:James? What happened to Jimothy? :lol:

It's a joke in The Office. ~00:50
Spoiler:


~Jim


Okay, why do you townlean us then?

Yes, I get it now.
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Post Post #347  (isolation #80)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:56 am

Spoiler:
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Post Post #350  (isolation #81)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:00 am

In post 346, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 343, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Okay, why do you townlean us then?

Your reaction to someone SR-ing you. I imagine as scum you'd prolly be a bit more pacifying dealing with one.

I kinda found your reaction to my declared townlean a bit towny as well, gut.

~Jimothy


I wish I had trusted my gut last game. Like I had scum!Ducky nailed dead to rights, then he suddenly pocketed me, and I forgot all about it. :facepalm:
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Post Post #353  (isolation #82)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:02 am

In post 349, Varsoon wrote:
Spoiler: Flagrant hate on RC
Wanna take this time to admire that Radiant Cowbells has 50,000 posts;
dude's title should be 'Shitposts Frequently'
Actually, dude shouldn't have a title
Dude should be sitebanned.


:(

You two just completely misunderstand each other. Seriously.

But this thread isn’t the place to discuss that.
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Post Post #355  (isolation #83)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:07 am

In post 352, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 350, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I wish I had trusted my gut last game. Like I had scum!Ducky nailed dead to rights, then he suddenly pocketed me, and I forgot all about it.

I'm trying a different style this game and seeing where my gut can lead me, not just cold hard logic.

Let's see where it goes.

~Auro


I rely on gut, logic, tone, mechanics, VCA and of course meta, in combination to try to form the most accurate reads.

But it’s not easy when you suggest to someone that they replace out if they lack the time to make decent reads, then you get called “rude” for that. That slot fipped scum.
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Post Post #357  (isolation #84)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:08 am

In post 354, Michael Scott wrote:Yeah, let's keep this thread... Venomless, amirite?

~Jimothy


+1

The only real venom - maybe - was in that U2 video I posted.
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Post Post #359  (isolation #85)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:16 am

In post 70, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 38, NicoRobin wrote:I am in this game.


I believe you.

In post 39, NicoRobin wrote:Why again? I wanted to replace later. Instead I got shangaied into this.


“Why again “ what?

Unhappy about something?
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Post Post #362  (isolation #86)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:35 pm

In post 360, Varsoon wrote:I don't, uh
I don't get how that answers my questions.


You asked me who I suspect. I want to see what she answers.
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Post Post #364  (isolation #87)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:39 pm

In post 361, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 355, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:But it’s not easy when you suggest to someone that they replace out if they lack the time to make decent reads, then you get called “rude” for that. That slot fipped scum.


O.o Watcha talking about?

~Jimothy


Oh sorry. In the last game on D1, tw kept insisting he put me as a scumlean, while saying that he didn’t have the time to sort me properly, so I suggested he replace out in that case and another player called me “rude” for it and as we all know, Ducky flipped scum.
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Post Post #366  (isolation #88)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:07 pm

In post 365, Varsoon wrote:I mean, it is rude to tell other people to replace out, I feel.
I really hate replace-outs. They compromise game integrity.


Not when they deserve it imo. If you’re actively pushing wagons in a game, you had better have the time to properly sort those wagons you’re pushing. I truly adore tw but I stand by what I said in that game. If you’re not too involved in a game, that’s entirely different.
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Post Post #367  (isolation #89)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:08 pm

Game integrity is also compromised by shitty reads, so there’s that too,
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Post Post #371  (isolation #90)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:39 pm

In post 370, Alchemist21 wrote:Flesh out the difference between your scumread of Nico and U2’s scumread of Pint. They seem the same to me because you’re both pushing someone for not posting.


No, I’m not suspicious of Nico for lurking, she does that a lot as town, especially on D1. It’s what she said, that is making me suspicious. That’s why I want to get her answer to my question.
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Post Post #426  (isolation #91)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:08 pm

I have so many goddamned things to say but no time to do it.

I guess you'll have to wait for another slurry of response posts, probably tomorrow. Sorry about that!
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Post Post #427  (isolation #92)  » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:08 pm

In post 426, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:I have so many goddamned things to say but no time to do it.

I guess you'll have to wait for another slurry of response posts, probably tomorrow. Sorry about that!
- Obvistophanes

Sorry again :oops:
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Post Post #447  (isolation #93)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:16 am

In post 380, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 371, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 370, Alchemist21 wrote:Flesh out the difference between your scumread of Nico and U2’s scumread of Pint. They seem the same to me because you’re both pushing someone for not posting.


No, I’m not suspicious of Nico for lurking, she does that a lot as town, especially on D1. It’s what she said, that is making me suspicious. That’s why I want to get her answer to my question.


Wtf that question wasn’t for you. Maybe you should stop signing as por flavor.

In post 374, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 370, Alchemist21 wrote:Flesh out the difference between your scumread of Nico and U2’s scumread of Pint. They seem the same to me because you’re both pushing someone for not posting.

Nicos 2nd post came across like “ugh fine I’ll play if I must” - like a setup for later so she can be like “I’m lurking because I told you I’m already not really engaged in this game” (it’s a weak read on one sentence tbh)

U R is more like “I’m don’t see pint doing anything so I’ll just apply pressure” - I note his point that he knows Pint and wants to sort that slot - but I’m sure U r knows how to play the game in general so there are plenty of other dudes to sort - sticking on a read that basically consists of “he’s not doing anything” makes me think he wants to line up the rest of his reads to “fit in” with town - you can’t do that whilst (up to page 11 which I’ve read properly) most of the game has been about STW because you don’t know who is going to obvtown or scum it up

So I feel like U r is biding his time on an easy read


That makes sense. I still think they’re very similar pushes but I see what you’re saying. You’re probably Town.


Sorry but I felt it important to clarify that I wasn’t suspicious of her for lurking. The Por Flavor thing was Ari. Ari, please stop that. :lol:

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Post Post #449  (isolation #94)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:23 am

In post 381, Varsoon wrote:
In post 367, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Game integrity is also compromised by shitty reads, so there’s that too,


Shitty reads are an inherent part of mafia. Players swapping at the table in long-form play is not a design element of the game.

Anyway.

I heard that the lurk-meta on Nico indicates scum there but I don't really know if that's true or not.


My point was, that scum!duck was planning to get away with keeping us in his,POE - despite my answering his questions - something he persisted in ignoring and when he finally acknowledged that I was engaging with him fully, unlike in Heroes, he still scumleaned me and I had 0 intention of allowing him to get away with it.

One of the dumbest mistakes scum makes in any game is pushing me. I always wind up making them regret it, one way or another. :twisted:

But, I 100% <3 tw - hands down, one of the best people I’ve ever met, on MS or anywhere.
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Post Post #450  (isolation #95)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:27 am

Lol I stopped Por Flavor when Chara asked. I'm signing properly now!
Unlike Chara's other head, which seems like a double standard I was gonna be really snarky about but sad on for a bit so it would gcome out like this rather than really dickishly.

- Obvistophanes.
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Post Post #453  (isolation #96)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:30 am

In post 384, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Wait, no, Mephisto is a top poster and you don't even have a read. What is your read on him, Bono (U2)

-The left head, maybe? (Brass)


“Bono” :lol:

We’re a they btw. I’m a she and Ari is a he.



Spoiler:
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Post Post #457  (isolation #97)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:49 am

In post 402, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 399, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 398, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 296, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 245, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 238, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
-Gamma Quadrant
PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
Also, if tw and U2 form a hydra it should be called Detroit Become Human.


I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.


Alchemist, as someone who has no experience whatsoever in playing with you: how would you be reading yourself, if you were another slot in this game? (Sorry for the annoying question. I'm going somewhere with this I promise.)


Town.


Could you throw me a couple of things which you think are unlikely to come from scum!you this game so we can tighten up our read?


Scum me these days gets nervous and avoids posting, especially if someone like Gamma or RC who I know can read me well is present. As it’s been said to me before there’s a certain thoughtfulness in my Town posting that my scumgame lacks. My Townread on Ari is a good example of that.


Nice, we had an almost identical conversation about that post. At first we weren't entirely sure how to parse it (the reasoning was a bit abstract compared to the more commonplace meta townclears) but the more we spoke about it the more we started to think there's probably no reason to make that post at all, as scum. The timing was also nice.

One of our heads has a habit of tunnelling experienced players who haven't played for a while but you still came out as "probably town".


:lol:

Sho referring to Duck, obviously.
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Post Post #458  (isolation #98)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:01 am

In post 432, NicoRobin wrote:Baa, baa, black shiiiipppp


This slot is locktown, NOT. :lol:
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Post Post #459  (isolation #99)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:16 am

In post 433, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 233, Shoshin the worst wrote:Hey Gamma, nice to play with you again. Any thoughts on U2's alignment?


I can confidently assure you they're Irish aligned. :P

~The Joshua Tree


:lol:


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Post Post #460  (isolation #100)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:22 am

In post 440, Almost Chara wrote:@Nephistophanes: Elemental Large <<Town!Taly (not in a hydra)


Ty :)
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Post Post #462  (isolation #101)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:25 am

In post 441, pinturicchio wrote:I'm back.

Already50 is making me want to bang my head against the wall indeed.

-Turicchio


That’s just the initial reaction, further exposure makes you want to upgrade to a brick wall.

~Nancy, so A50 knows whom to be pissed at. :P
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Post Post #464  (isolation #102)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:32 am

In post 444, pinturicchio wrote:About your long post about me:

- I think you're trying to depict me as crazy ol' Jenkins in order to discredit my scumread on you. You basically talked about how you read me instead of defending yourself about your scummy progression.

- I like Tibor and Lumia, I know pretty well both of them and I usually read them correctly. I think they're town. Gonna ask Pin what he thinks but I'm pretty sure he'll say town too.

-Turicchio



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Post Post #467  (isolation #103)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:42 am

In post 450, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Lol I stopped Por Flavor when Chara asked. I'm signing properly now!
Unlike Chara's other head, which seems like a double standard I was gonna be really snarky about but sad on for a bit so it would gcome out like this rather than really dickishly.

- Obvistophanes.


You could always do what Math did in DnD mafia and sign your posts, ~Not Nancy. Not recommended. :lol:
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Post Post #468  (isolation #104)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:43 am

In post 451, Varsoon wrote:@MOD: Did we ever get an answer to this? :

In post 322, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 146, Alchemist21 wrote:@Mod; Is there going to be a record of previous Days’ player list orders or do players have to manually keep track of previous orders?



I also find it somewhat wild that no one had a single vocalized response to my fake triple-vote.

-V


*shrug* I thought it was fake.
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Post Post #471  (isolation #105)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:45 am

In post 454, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 449, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:One of the dumbest mistakes scum makes in any game is pushing me. I always wind up making them regret it, one way or another.

Challenge accepted, whenever I roll scum against ya. ;)

I'm kinda happy with my URAP vote still, I still felt his posts were fake-ish upon skimming through them.

~Jimothy


:lol:

Challenge accepted. :wink:

Yeah, Pint did seem like an easy push.
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Post Post #473  (isolation #106)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:48 am

In post 456, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 448, Varsoon wrote:Not a fan of how people sloughed off the STW wagon.
I'm not entirely sold by the URAP2 wagon; feels too easy.


What's your scumcase on STW apart from their lack of signing?
Why does URAP2 feel too easy? Do you mean in the sense of them getting votes without much resistance?

~Jimothy


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Post Post #478  (isolation #107)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:55 am

In post 461, Varsoon wrote:@Michael Slott: The appeals they made while I was pushing them were not the kind of appeals that I associate with town.
The whole 'stretch your mind' appeal is one that I've only seen them make as scum.
When confronted with this piece of meta that wasn't even all that damning, their defense was to handwave that the hydra has no meta, which isn't really an argument that I'd see either Shoshin or TW making, as town, when confronted this way.
They produced a Taly scumread when under pressure, but when asked to elaborate on that scumread, they failed to be able to do so and instead defaulted to a position that I hard scumread--that they have some sort of info/tell that they can't share and are waiting to reveal. This is a scum position because they can just either; 1. Come up with a convenient lie later, once they've had time to think on it and Taly has more content or 2. They can just never reveal it if people forget about it.
The way they handled my pressure in regards to the Taly scumread isn't forthright as Shoshin usually is as town and reads as scummy to me.
Since then, they've largely done nothing of note and seem to have basically taken my pressure on them as an excuse to duck out for a 'cooling off' period where they can let suspicion on them subside/die entirely. Town doesn't do this, in my experience.
Their resistance re:signing isn't something that I townread.
How they handled the signing thing isn't something I see coming from a town mindset, either. Obviously, there's the WIFOM that stubborn town just wouldn't concede to signing or that scum wouldn't back down to try to seem like stubborn town or that backing down would be survivalist from a scum PoV but honestly

I just don't like it.

Couple that with people finding a lot of quick reasons to wagon someone who had, up to that point, phoned in pretty easy-to-attack play and the general way the wagon was abandoned and I can come to one of two conclusions:

1. STW slot is scum.
2. If not, STW slot isn't playing in a pro-town manner and had scum on their wagon.

Out of all of the players in the game, STW has the most amount of content that I scumread, so I'll be keeping my vote there and still working for a lynch there. The natural discrediting tactic that you're going to see happen is that scum will try to call this a tunnel, despite me being engaged with other slots, reading the game, and trying to figure it out beyond STW. They'll try to act like having a scumread you want to get lynched is a tunnel, somehow, and therefore unlikely to produce a flip on scum; it's important that you know this is absolutely a discrediting tactic and dismiss it as such.

Spoiler: Jealous of A50's videos


-V


I’ll think about this. I still like the thought processes behind their reads, for the most part.
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Post Post #479  (isolation #108)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:58 am

In post 466, Varsoon wrote:I'd say about 80%. They haven't done anything that absolutely damns them, but they've played in a way highly contrary to expectations from them both as players and from the site standards for what qualifies as town play and from my own standards for what I qualify as town play. I'm more confident I am than any other slot so far; that's why I continue to vote there and campaign for that lynch.

As far as other scumreads go, I don't want to put the cart before the horse, but there are definitely slots I'd be more or less critical of depending on STW's flip, independent of that:
I find Mephisto's play really curious but I'm hesitant to say it's scum play.
I think that at least one scum player is certainly lying low; odds are very good that we'd hit scum in one of Mewtaph, Nico Robin, and Kokichi Oma--all of which have checked in but largely avoided commenting on anything game-related besides vanity.

-V


Varsoon, will you ever be able to correctly read me? In last game, you tried to mislynch me. :/

I think Nico is highly likely.
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Post Post #480  (isolation #109)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:01 am

In post 477, Varsoon wrote:@AC: If you felt it was for reactions, why didn't ya play into it or react? :P
I just think it's curious that so many people definitely saw it and hard-dodged acknowledging it at all.
It's a creeping feeling like there's something there but I don't know what or how to suss it out.

-V


Why would you expect people to react to something, they assumed to be, either fake or a joke?
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Post Post #502  (isolation #110)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:10 pm

In post 481, Varsoon wrote:You'd think that if people saw it as fake they'd either
1. Decry it as such
2. Figure it for a gambit and play into it in order to see the results on people it did fool

Neither happened, which is curious to me.
Dunno if it's all that fruitful of a line of inquiry, though. :/

As far as accurately reading you, I did so in Starcraft after engaging with you and having an incorrect read initially. This is why it's important to engage with players and be present. I also accurately townread you in Excalibur, or, rather, I had you as 'locktown' because I found your play to be absolutely defensibly town from a town PoV and knew there was no use in fighting for a lynch on you there, as scum.

People do love to throw up the 'Varsoon cant read me!' bit a lot, though, and they've done it as either align, so I don't know how to take it.

-V


:lol:

With all due respect Varsoon, I’ve only played one game with you as town, and you tried to get me mislynched in that one, so I don’t even know if you expect me to take this seriously or not?
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Post Post #503  (isolation #111)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:13 pm

In post 488, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 485, Michael Scott wrote:Also what's up with solo players signing their posts but hydras refusing to. :lol:

~You-know-who

Just got back into the game and saw this, what do you mean?

-Turicchio


:lol:

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Post Post #504  (isolation #112)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:13 pm

In post 489, Alchemist21 wrote:I didn’t think you would expect anyone to tske it seriously either, I just thought it was an emphasis on how much you wanted them lynched.


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Post Post #505  (isolation #113)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:14 pm

In post 492, Varsoon wrote:
In post 489, Alchemist21 wrote:I didn’t think you would expect anyone to tske it seriously either, I just thought it was an emphasis on how much you wanted them lynched.


I didn't really have many expectations when I did it, but I did find it kind of weird that no one said a thing about it.
It actually lowkey makes me think that STW is scum, for really fargone reasons that I'm not proud to share.


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Post Post #506  (isolation #114)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:17 pm

In post 493, Varsoon wrote:Forgot to sign, whoops.

Also, screw it, here's my dumb rationale there:
Scum allies of STW didn't want to say anything to toss any sort of associative on the off-chance it was a real hammer and so they silently let it slide until mod confirmed it one way or another and they're smart enough to know that they'd get no points for making a fuss over it once confirmed as a lie.

-V


Is there anyone who really believed you triple voted them?

Because this argument rests squarely on that presumption.
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Post Post #507  (isolation #115)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:18 pm

In post 495, Alchemist21 wrote:That’s a pretty far stretch. Why didn’t any Town players respond to it either? The fact that nobody responded to it makes the lack of response NAI and I don’t know why you’re hung up on this.


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Post Post #508  (isolation #116)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:20 pm

In post 497, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 495, Alchemist21 wrote:That’s a pretty far stretch. Why didn’t any Town players respond to it either? The fact that nobody responded to it makes the lack of response NAI and I don’t know why you’re hung up on this.

He's not singling out any player or saying that the lack of response is AI, though.
Town and scum needn't necessarily react the same way to the triple vote, and he's exploring possible motivations behind why scum, in particular, would ignore it -- especially in the lens of Shoshin being scum. While it is stretched and not really convincing, it's not invalid analysis.

~Meh


Had Varsoon actually claimed triple voter beforehand, I might have taken it a bit more seriously but w/o any claim, I assumed it was fake.
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Post Post #509  (isolation #117)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:23 pm

In post 500, Krazy wrote:
Votecount 1.6
u r a person 2(4) ~ (50), (34), (15), (20)
Shoshin the worst(1) ~ (84)
Kokichi Oma(1) ~ (38)
Alchemist21(1) ~ (2)


Not Voting (6): (112), Almost Chara(19), Kokichi Oma(8), (28), NicoRobin(3), (39), u r a person 2 (32)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:12:40)


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@Mew, why tf are your voting Alchemist21?
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Post Post #514  (isolation #118)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:36 pm

In post 512, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Your point 4 is entirely WIFOM. As scum, I am constantly undermining my own play because I'm next-level. Yeah, if you were level-1 or 2 scum, that's how you'd approach play, but I know from the last game you played that you're trying to break into level 3 play.

Anyway, I don't find your answer to be satisfying of my suspicion.

@Mephistophanes: I didn't try to get you mislynched there (assuming you're talking about StarCraft 1?); I sorted you properly and came to the correct conclusion that you were town. I wasn't informed enough to know if you actually were town, so I couldn't have been intentionally pushing a mislynch. My point stands that I've correctly townread you in our last two encounters and in this one I'm going to need more interaction and data and, yes, at some point, I might vote you, but it's all in the effort to sort you. I don't see myself voting you anytime soon, as you've been more confusing to me than scummy, if that makes sense. You've helped sort out a lot of stuff, though. I appreciate it.

Why are you giving people +1 here and there? What's the purpose of that?


-V


I obviously didn’t mean that you did that KNOWINGLY but you did try to aggressively wagon me, before you backed off. Yes, of course I mean that game. What other game have you been town in with me?

I post a “+1”, whenever I see a post I 100% agree with.
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Post Post #518  (isolation #119)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:49 pm

In post 515, Varsoon wrote:@Mephisto: I didn't know for sure that you meant that game and that you didn't mean knowingly. I don't know if I've been town with you outside of that--hadn't we played some games together before? My memory kinda sucks.

Thanks for explaining the +1 thing. I didn't know if it meant that you were handing out townpoints or agreeing or pushing that post forward or what.


I am not aware of any games we’ve played other than Starcraft 1, where you were town in. Oh unless, you’re referring to the game from hell/Drealmer’s RHPS clusterfuck? I don’t think meta is at all reliable from that game.

Yeah, all +1 means, is that I totally agree with whatever was said in that post.
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Post Post #525  (isolation #120)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:15 pm

In post 519, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Alchemist, Taly, all the other Hydras, and Pint, all to some extent.

@Michael Stott: You're all gravy.

@Mephistophanes: Yeah, I think you're right, it was those Drealmerz 'games'. Time to shudder hard and purge my brains again.


:lol:

It’s the only game I can recall, that players were literally begging the vig to shoot them. :lol:
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Post Post #526  (isolation #121)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:19 pm

In post 522, u r a person 2 wrote:@stw I thought you were done with this synchronized hydra nonsense but in retrospect you were just not signing and I was just inferring who was authoring the posts.

This is still scummy

also, I've given enough thought process that I think town!tw has a town read on me here at least 50% of the time

VOTE: shoshin the worst


Like, you’re only upset about this now?

And the 50% thing, say whaaaat???
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Post Post #530  (isolation #122)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:31 pm

In post 527, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 526, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 522, u r a person 2 wrote:@stw I thought you were done with this synchronized hydra nonsense but in retrospect you were just not signing and I was just inferring who was authoring the posts.

This is still scummy

also, I've given enough thought process that I think town!tw has a town read on me here at least 50% of the time

VOTE: shoshin the worst


Like, you’re only upset about this now?

And the 50% thing, say whaaaat???


line 1, please refer to my iso

line 2, he modded a game with me where he followed along with a PT i wrote ~60 thought process posts about the game. We've also had a light amount of conversation about playing. I think he gets to a town read on me here at least half the time.


What about the other half? Like I seriously don’t get it?
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Post Post #532  (isolation #123)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:36 pm

In post 528, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 448, Varsoon wrote:I'm not entirely sold by the URAP2 wagon; feels too easy.

You've still not explained this, Varsoon.
Any thoughts on URAP's play?
I'm feeling more (gut) confident with my read there the more he posts~

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His reasons for voting Stw, don’t feel authentic to me. Like he acts like their signing/or rather NOT signing behaviour is somehow news to him.
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Post Post #533  (isolation #124)  » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:38 pm

In post 531, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 529, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 372, u r a person 2 wrote:my town leans right now are
STW -tone,play I think TW is trying to use his experience modding and playing with me to read me and that's why he's asking me for my thoughts about specific posts.

I found this in your ISO, your progression from this to your latest read there seems highly unnatural.
Did you just notice that you were inferring who was authoring them? You had nothing to say when their (lack of) signing was a talking point of the game?

~Detective Michael Scarn


I called them scummy for it early in this game when people were talking about it.

Then they stopped signing, but I could tell who was writing and I kind of felt that was their compromise, if that makes sense.

I don't understand why you think it is unnatural? I was expecting TW to want to see thought process in order to read me precisely because of our prior experience, so at the time that checked out. Now, having given him something to work with, Ithink it's likely that he finds a town read on me if he is town.

p.edit The other half of what? I'm not following, Mephisto


If tw tr you only 50% of the time, then he sr you the other 50%, correct?

So, if that is the case, why is him not tr you here, scummy?
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Post Post #777  (isolation #125)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:46 am

In post 537, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 462, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 441, pinturicchio wrote:I'm back.

Already50 is making me want to bang my head against the wall indeed.

-Turicchio


That’s just the initial reaction, further exposure makes you want to upgrade to a brick wall.

~Nancy, so A50 knows whom to be pissed at. :P


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I bet you expected this:

Spoiler:


However, I could just respond with this:

Spoiler:




Spoiler:



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Post Post #779  (isolation #126)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:55 am

In post 543, Varsoon wrote:Just gonna bring this into overdrive, actually, and go for the dunk.
Day Vig: Shoshin the Worst


First the triple vote and now this? After Overkill 2, you really can’t expect me to take this seriously. :lol:
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Post Post #780  (isolation #127)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:03 am

In post 553, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 549, Shoshin the worst wrote:Michael is probably teetering on dropping a tier from this conversation. But I'm not sure on this yet


@Nancy: Do you really buy "I wouldn't do that as scum, that's ridiculous!" And "I've towntold multiple times, how come you're not townreading me" arguments?

~Jim


I don’t see why their read on you ought to be affected by what you wrote. Calling STW out on something or pointing out any inconsistencies in anything they’re saying, doesn’t make you scummy. They may be town and may well believe this to be true but being suspicious of you for merely pointing that out, is kind of ridiculous, imo.

Yes, this is Nancy.
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Post Post #783  (isolation #128)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:12 am

In post 571, Almost Chara wrote:based on Nico's meta, i'm townleaning her slot for now. slightly.
~Chara


Really? What about that suspicious opening, which she still has yet to answer me, btw.
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Post Post #784  (isolation #129)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:14 am

In post 574, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 571, Almost Chara wrote:based on Nico's meta, i'm townleaning her slot for now. slightly.
~Chara

You're really townleaning a HARD lurker slot... For meta reasons?

~Jimothy


What is remotely townie about Nico’s opening post?
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Post Post #786  (isolation #130)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:18 am

In post 576, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 571, Almost Chara wrote:based on Nico's meta, i'm townleaning her slot for now. slightly.
~Chara

Me too. 1%.
Varsoon's meta comment made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.


Why is everyone ignoring, what clearly looks like unhappiness with her role pm?

Her not responding to my question, doesn’t look too great either. Nico, doesn’t deserve townie pints for jack, so far. :roll:
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Post Post #787  (isolation #131)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:20 am

In post 577, Shoshin the worst wrote:in this list I could confidently pocket Taly, Nancy and you. I could give it a go with pintu but I'm not sure it'd get me anywhere. I used to be able to pocket brass but posthiatus I'm not sure how he'd take it. So I think me scumreading you and not cutely backing down when you started posting is not remotely a scumtell.

I don't understand why you think there's no town motivation in our slot pushing/scumreading you. It's pretty simple. We scumread you.
The fact you can't engage with me about why we shouldn't scumread you or should townread you had me baffled.

Imagine in newbie 1907 for example if you and Nauci had fleshed out why you were misreading each other day two. think about how that kind of conversation might play out as an example.

sorry there's few ways to illustrate my point effectively here


Seriously, you actually think you could ever pocket me in THIS game, after what happened in SC 1?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #789  (isolation #132)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:25 am

In post 586, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 583, u r a person 2 wrote:meta,

We honestly can't apply BoP because we have no idea what people's alignments are. More that we think the subconscious mindset you've presented with some of your reads has been scum indicative.

We really don't believe in reading people via bop at all. Categorically.

I was looking for some stuff in this game which I should townread. Sorry if this felt like a breakthrough but I'm not sure how to see anything AI in the BoP argument. It might be slightly towny because of the disconnect maybe? But then scum who are caught for the wrong reason often react the same way. So I'm quite net null on it :(


Can you please explain BoP, thanks. And yes, I know it stands for burden of proficiency but I don’t know what that means?
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Post Post #790  (isolation #133)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:30 am

In post 598, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Point out where I said anything about no more handing out townreads and I'll show you how the context is absolutely different. Stay sore.

@AlmostChara: If the thread isn't locked by the time I get home, we can jam.
I don't know why anyone's doubtcastin' the vig, since it should town-confirm me
And I get the added bonus of blowing down scum-Shoshin
A++

-V


You’re seeing something I’m not then. I don’t see how you are so convinced, they’re lockscum here - especially when you compare their posts here with SC 1.
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Post Post #791  (isolation #134)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:34 am

In post 599, u r a person 2 wrote:ProFlavor's game is remarkably light.
They are scum reading one person for lurking, me for voting a lurker, and T&L because they always town read them early, as far as I can recall.

They also have a bunch of naked town reads. Currently trying to engage that slot, but I don't have any reason to town read them

I'm still reading almost chara as town. They had that lynch pool early and I could understand the worldview they were living in to have that pool. Since then they have not stood out much to me, which means nothing pinged me.

Alchemist, I am currently sheeping a town read on. He's on the list to dig into. I'm sure you can see that I've been slowly hopping from one slot to the next


Agree on AC and Alchemist21.

Your posting in here, kind of lowkey reminds me of Mewtaph in SC 1 for some reason.
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Post Post #792  (isolation #135)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:35 am

In post 600, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 592, Shoshin the worst wrote:This is STW. There's no reason you can't talk to TW through this hydra and you're still tunnelling our signing thing.

you're not one person, you just have aligned reads. you can't play as one person while referencing different heads like they're different as you have been.

there is a reason. the reason is it's confusing. listen to the other players in the game.
~Chara


+1
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Post Post #793  (isolation #136)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:38 am

In post 603, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 598, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Point out where I said anything about no more handing out townreads and I'll show you how the context is absolutely different. Stay sore.

@AlmostChara: If the thread isn't locked by the time I get home, we can jam.
I don't know why anyone's doubtcastin' the vig, since it should town-confirm me
And I get the added bonus of blowing down scum-Shoshin
A++

-V

I'm sorry, aren't you the same Varsoon that fakeclaimed a dayvig on profii and made him softclaim his cop role? (and I'm being generous by saying softclaim 'cause it was haaaaard as rock) You know the phrase "cry wolf"?

The triple vote shenanigans... I can't say much but I assume it was just on the tip of your tongue? :lol:

-Pin


I don’t like the whole, this should confitown me thing. Scum!Shoshin did that last game wrt to Irrelephant11 kill. Nothing confirms ANYONE as town here, pre-flip.
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Post Post #794  (isolation #137)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:40 am

In post 606, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 598, Varsoon wrote:@STW: Point out where I said anything about no more handing out townreads and I'll show you how the context is absolutely different. Stay sore.

You remember that from scm1.
Also we have a sentence of humour. :P


God bless autocorrect. :lol:
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Post Post #796  (isolation #138)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:43 am

In post 607, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 600, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 592, Shoshin the worst wrote:This is STW. There's no reason you can't talk to TW through this hydra and you're still tunnelling our signing thing.

you're not one person, you just have aligned reads. you can't play as one person while referencing different heads like they're different as you have been.

there is a reason. the reason is it's confusing. listen to the other players in the game.
~Chara

I'm making the point that casually shading it as "scummy" is nonsense.
Anything directed at TW will be answered the same as if he were a solo slot.
Don't understand what's confusing about this.


How is AC shading this as “scummy”?

All they’re doing is reiterating what everyone has been thinking the entire game, which is that your hydra dynamics are confusing af.
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Post Post #797  (isolation #139)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:45 am

In post 608, Almost Chara wrote:Wait a second!

@Varsoon: Are you saying that this "DAY"vig of yours was for real??

~Almost Confused


:lol:

That would make an awesome hydra name, not quite in the league of Auroapocalypse but damned close.

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Post Post #800  (isolation #140)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:49 am

In post 609, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 602, Taly wrote:
In post 596, Taly wrote:ill get to this thread later, my college classes started today

from skimming, id like to see STW actually respond to certain posts that they say they're formulating a response for

U2's making posts with more than 1-sentence explanations fort their thoughts :D

i keep forgettin proflavor, nicorobin, and kokichi are in this game.

if someone wants to make things easier to navigate through the threads content, ask me questions


...making sure people actually read this

Taly, we'll get back to you when we've had a chance to work through it. If we don't, a head who has enough time will engage with you on it. Please keep playing the game.


Why does this somehow remind me, of a zombie answering machine voice recording?
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Post Post #804  (isolation #141)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:53 am

In post 619, Varsoon wrote:I'm also informed, if you recall, that scum has at least one 'ground' role.
It doesn't end the day, no worries.

-V


Now, this post sounds townier than the vig one, probably because you’re not soliciting towncred for it.
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Post Post #805  (isolation #142)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:57 am

In post 633, Shoshin the worst wrote:TW didn't have much choice in keeping you around til endgame.
Shoshin didn't have an active killing role.

Stop being salty and spiteful. I doubt either of us wanted you alive in 4p until it became a necessity. And no, neither of us think you're awful at mafia.


^^^^^

NOT tw, you’re welcome.
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Post Post #806  (isolation #143)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:58 am

In post 636, Shoshin the worst wrote:VOTE: Tibor and Lumia


Why?
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Post Post #807  (isolation #144)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:59 am

In post 639, u r a person 2 wrote:okay, let's see how this goes

VOTE: Tibor and Lumia
your tw read is a fine place to start. can't wait to hear what you've got after you get your answer


Why are they being voted?
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Post Post #808  (isolation #145)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:00 am

In post 641, Tibor and Lumia wrote:VOTE: u r a person 2

I'm counting on the day vig being real at this point. the worst not having an accurate read on me is a scum tell.

-Brassil's leader, Pedro II


So, why is your vote on Bono then?
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Post Post #810  (isolation #146)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:09 am

In post 644, Taly wrote:where did the T&L vote and scumreads come from?

In post 647, Shoshin the worst wrote:@Taly, please catch up. Continue playing the game.



Spoiler:



Please stop telling Taly to, “play the game”. Actually do, because it’s kind of cracking me up, everytime you say it. :lol:
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Post Post #811  (isolation #147)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:11 am

In post 649, Tibor and Lumia wrote:I believe that he used easy reads before, and now, with no explanation has voted a town read. It is not my damn job to make the people explain when their reads turn around with no explanation, and I don't want to continue to have to do that today. I just want to sit and watch television and eat peanuts.

But, the last time the worst was "null about my slot" was Project Pinecone, and despite the jokes he makes, he was not Town Vig that game.

-Brass


I think this is town!Brass, here. Anyone ISO him in Necromancer? :lol:
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Post Post #812  (isolation #148)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:23 am

In post 653, Shoshin the worst wrote:He was still hunting for scum that game. Aggressively, and he did a good job. He did not have TMI. You're suggesting we have TMI on your slot and are choosing to misrepresent it as a scumspect. Those are two extremely different situations. I'm not sure what your point is here unless you think we're a serial killer.

Also yum peanuts <3



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Post Post #813  (isolation #149)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:29 am

In post 660, Shoshin the worst wrote:If this goes through and Krazy doesn't confirm that the vigilante is aligned with the town, do not trust Varsoon based on his play so far.


If there is a vig, it’s probably not a dayvig. I have yet to see a real one outside of DnD mafia and Varsoon fake dayvigged Profil in Overkill 2, like the observent hydra heads Pint and Truccio have pointed out.
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Post Post #814  (isolation #150)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:30 am

In post 662, u r a person 2 wrote:How is pushing a null read on day one scummy, exactly?

In post 663, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Because town wants to lynch scum, so, town should push scum reads. Therefore, pushing non-scum reads is scummy.

-B


+1
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Post Post #815  (isolation #151)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:32 am

In post 665, u r a person 2 wrote:I don't know if it's playstyle or what, but D1 seems to me to be exactly the right time to dig into your null reads

There's still sorting to be done!

Do you have a read on Taly?


It depends on whether you have any scumleans or not.
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Post Post #816  (isolation #152)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:33 am

In post 666, Shoshin the worst wrote:Ultimately there's two factions. Scum and town. There isn't a null faction, so having nullreads instantly compromises the integrity of a readlist.

I think it's a quirk I'm developing these days.


Nah, not on D freaking 1, it doesn’t.
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Post Post #817  (isolation #153)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:35 am

In post 668, Shoshin the worst wrote:The human race is bad at reading Taly.

VOTE: Kokichi

Choo choo.


Why?

Are you just reaction test voting here?
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Post Post #818  (isolation #154)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:36 am

In post 670, Varsoon wrote:
In post 668, Shoshin the worst wrote:The human race is bad at reading Taly.

VOTE: Kokichi

Choo choo.


This is an incredibly important post once Shoshin flips scum.
Mark my words.


Well, that was a horrible reason for voting him.
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Post Post #819  (isolation #155)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:39 am

In post 679, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 677, Varsoon wrote:No, seriously, what the fuck
If my kill fails on you, why wouldn't you claim that shit immediately?

The fact you jumped to this even before checking if the mod had made a mistake is pretty revealing about how honest you're being, lol.

Play the game Varsoon.


Can we outlaw that phrase? Thoughts?
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Post Post #820  (isolation #156)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:41 am

In post 680, Varsoon wrote:@MOD: If someone has a hypothetical day-vigilante role with flavor tied to the ability name, would you, as a mod, accept the action if the user had just written Day Vig: Playername

'cus any fucking mod would.
And I'm NOT tilting my flavor for you, scumfuck.
Explain why you're not dead.

In post 682, Varsoon wrote:Mod specifically answered a question I directed at him within a page of my vig.
He saw it.
I got a PM just now telling me it failed.
Explain how that's the case, Shoshin.


How is that possible? Did Krazy give you reasons?
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Post Post #822  (isolation #157)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:46 am

In post 687, Shoshin the worst wrote:that's literally untrue that it's a soft. After last game I'm pretty confident Kokichi is just shitposting. He fakeclaims shit all the fucking time. Why are you assuming this is such an elaborate TPR soft and why do you need to be so antitown as to out it?

You also just slipped not vigilante FTR so at least we can stop pretending that fucking joke is a thing.


But Kokichi actually WAS IC in SC1 - macho IC mayor, specifically but he was a mod-confirmable IC.
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Post Post #823  (isolation #158)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:49 am

In post 694, Taly wrote:Let's not get personal here.

Does anyone have meta with Nicorobin? I've seen them in multiple games before but its impossible to filter their gameplay because of how vague it is regardless of play.

In Maria's Anime Binge she was town and was nonexistent like now.



In post 39, NicoRobin wrote:Why again? I wanted to replace later. Instead I got shangaied into this.
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Post Post #824  (isolation #159)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:51 am

In post 696, Varsoon wrote:Nico's got a very old habit of signing up for games and ghosting and I'm worried it's resurfacing here, so I'd say it's NAI or even lean-scum.
:/


Based on that quote she made and conveniently ignoring my question, makes it closer to a scumlean for me.
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Post Post #825  (isolation #160)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:04 am

In post 703, Shoshin the worst wrote:I see why people blacklist you. :facepalm:


RANT:

Just ftr, blacklists are totally fucking stupid and reveals likely arrogance and entitlement feelings on the player, who lowers themselves by resorting to them. I have 0 respect for the ludicrous idea, that anyone has the God-given right, to tell ANYONE, what games they’re allowed to play in. If I was in charge of this site, I would temp ban every single player who relies on this bs, to grossly and unfairly intimidate and manipulate other players.

This post has nothing whatsoever to with Stw but is an entirely ACCURATE view, of how I view this garbage attempt at game bullying, in general.

RANT ENDED

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Post Post #827  (isolation #161)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:40 am

In post 726, Almost Chara wrote:@TWS: Could you also calm down a bit? Let's try to figure things out mechanically. Between you and Varsoon I'd say he's townier than you, but I could see you both being Town. Chara probably sees it the other way around, but I'm sure I can convince them this is Varsoon's Town game.

Som anyway.. do you have any knowledge of Starcraft?


Yeah, I think this is town!Varsoon, there is a kind of tell - the exact same reason that SK! Flavor ironically fooled me with in Overkill 2 - about the realness of his role. This doesn’t read fake to me, like it did in Overkill 2.
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Post Post #828  (isolation #162)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:41 am

In post 728, Tibor and Lumia wrote:I'm a little confused as to what more information they can get from your flavor. But, I'm not even sure if a flavor claim would help me specifically anyway. I know so little that unless you are Artanas, Kerrigan, or Arthas I'll have no clue anyway.

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I think you may have SC 1 and 2 confused. :lol:
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Post Post #829  (isolation #163)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:43 am

In post 729, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 725, Varsoon wrote:@AlmostChara: There are definitely units in Starcraft that can only affect air or ground. The Protoss Reaver, for instance, can shoot out scarab bombs across the ground, but it can't hit flying units. Many of the zerg ground units only have claws and can't attack air units. Shuttles that fly can pick up and transport ground units. So on and so forth.


OK.. good. Now, would it be conceivable at all that someone on the list has that type of effect (targeting your type of action)? Because, when I looked at the list of today EVERYONE is between you and STW, with the exception of Michael Scott. So if ANYONE has a working ability that intercepts your specific type of action then your action will fail and STW won't know why it failed. (Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm using my imagination now)


Would this have something to do with the whole ordering and positioning mechanics, maybe?
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Post Post #830  (isolation #164)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:51 am

In post 757, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 275, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 205, Shoshin the worst wrote:VOTE: u r a person 2


Why?

Could you guys give the rest of the thread a chance to post? It’s nice to see you active but I think the last page was all you.
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Post Post #831  (isolation #165)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:53 am

In post 759, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 301, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Sorry, my memory on who was what in Undertale is fuzzy.

Me, A50, B&M, and Venmar/Firebringer were the scumteam
All else were town
Make sense?
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Post Post #832  (isolation #166)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:57 am

In post 785, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 784, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 574, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 571, Almost Chara wrote:based on Nico's meta, i'm townleaning her slot for now. slightly.
~Chara

You're really townleaning a HARD lurker slot... For meta reasons?

~Jimothy


What is remotely townie about Nico’s opening post?

Absolutely nothing, I'm surprised at the "meta townleans" there and hence a bit suspect as well. Especially when the slot has a grand total of 3 posts (or had, at the time of those reads).

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Post Post #833  (isolation #167)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:59 am

In post 798, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 789, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 586, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 583, u r a person 2 wrote:meta,

We honestly can't apply BoP because we have no idea what people's alignments are. More that we think the subconscious mindset you've presented with some of your reads has been scum indicative.

We really don't believe in reading people via bop at all. Categorically.

I was looking for some stuff in this game which I should townread. Sorry if this felt like a breakthrough but I'm not sure how to see anything AI in the BoP argument. It might be slightly towny because of the disconnect maybe? But then scum who are caught for the wrong reason often react the same way. So I'm quite net null on it :(


Can you please explain BoP, thanks. And yes, I know it stands for burden of proficiency but I don’t know what that means?

Burden of proficiency.
Basically, the idea that "because Player X isn't proficient, they must be scum". For example, saying "because Nancy mislynched scum and had bad reads she must be scum". It's a nonsensical argument.

Here URAP2 is suggesting I'm BoPing him because I'm saying "because you didn't have the same read as us on a lurker post, you must be scum".


Thanks. :)

Mislynched scum? :lol:
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Post Post #834  (isolation #168)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:01 am

In post 799, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 791, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 599, u r a person 2 wrote:ProFlavor's game is remarkably light.
They are scum reading one person for lurking, me for voting a lurker, and T&L because they always town read them early, as far as I can recall.

They also have a bunch of naked town reads. Currently trying to engage that slot, but I don't have any reason to town read them

I'm still reading almost chara as town. They had that lynch pool early and I could understand the worldview they were living in to have that pool. Since then they have not stood out much to me, which means nothing pinged me.

Alchemist, I am currently sheeping a town read on. He's on the list to dig into. I'm sure you can see that I've been slowly hopping from one slot to the next


Agree on AC and Alchemist21.

Your posting in here, kind of lowkey reminds me of Mewtaph in SC 1 for some reason.

This is a very towny take.
Urap2 is a lot more present than Mewtaph was tho tbf


Yep, Bono’s posts are also a lot easier to understand as well.
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Post Post #835  (isolation #169)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:03 am

In post 801, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 798, Shoshin the worst wrote:because Nancy mislynched scum

Nancy, let's MISLYNCH scum!

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I want to be the #1 scum mislyncher, on the entire site.
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Post Post #836  (isolation #170)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:04 am

In post 802, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 796, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 607, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 600, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 592, Shoshin the worst wrote:This is STW. There's no reason you can't talk to TW through this hydra and you're still tunnelling our signing thing.

you're not one person, you just have aligned reads. you can't play as one person while referencing different heads like they're different as you have been.

there is a reason. the reason is it's confusing. listen to the other players in the game.
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I'm making the point that casually shading it as "scummy" is nonsense.
Anything directed at TW will be answered the same as if he were a solo slot.
Don't understand what's confusing about this.


How is AC shading this as “scummy”?

All they’re doing is reiterating what everyone has been thinking the entire game, which is that your hydra dynamics are confusing af.

AC didn't shade it as scummy - we didn't use pronouns but we were referring to URAP2 shading it as scummy, not AC.


Okay, thanks for the clarification.
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Post Post #837  (isolation #171)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:09 am

In post 821, Michael Scott wrote:Need to check if she used that phrase in SCM1 but not in her towngames. :P

~Jimothy


I don’t care about anything eise, other than mislynching scum. :lol:
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Post Post #838  (isolation #172)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:16 am

In post 70, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 38, NicoRobin wrote:I am in this game.


I believe you.

In post 39, NicoRobin wrote:Why again? I wanted to replace later. Instead I got shangaied into this.


“Why again “ what?

Unhappy about something?


In post 432, NicoRobin wrote:Baa, baa, black shiiiipppp


In post 788, Michael Scott wrote:I'm feeling less confident on my URAP2 read right now, I'm up for a wagon on Nicorobin. It does look like unhappiness with her role PM, and the "meta" townleans there I find stupid -- more like made-up reasons not to vote there, so I think it's a good wagon.

VOTE: Nicorobin


~Jimothy



In post 826, Varsoon wrote:@Mephisto: No, mod didn't tell me why the kill failed, just that it did. I made double sure that it wasn't just because of flavor of submission, too. :/

VOTE: Nico

I'm fine going down this rabbit hole.
Nico, if you're town in a game, you need to produce content in order to be accurately read.

-V


I’m good with this.

VOTE: Nico Robin


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Post Post #857  (isolation #173)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:31 am

In post 846, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 705, Varsoon wrote:Literally no one has ever blacklisted me.

-V

to be fair when I blacklist people I don't tell them, I just don't join games they are in - like I already saw a post from nancy about how blacklists should be banned and I fully agree - however, if I think someone is a numpty who cant behave I will avoid them and because I'm old and boring I just keep it to myself.

not directed at you as I'm not blacklisting you but I just wanted to add my comments on this as it's like a really easy problem to solve - be civil and if you cant shut up and don't play :lol:


Well, that of course is fine and I’m not referring to that. I’m referring to the obscene and arrogant behaviour which involves actually attempting to try to dictate to another member on this site, which games they are allowed to play, which is entirely different, obviously.
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Post Post #858  (isolation #174)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:35 am

In post 852, ProFlavor wrote:if we are lynching nico for lurking why don't we get Vars to vig it

or koki

or I haven't seen much from mewptah


or we put these slots to a vig-vote to get association tells later ?


I am not voting Nico for lurking but for a likely scummy post she made about being very unhappy with something, apparently game related - very likely referencing her role pm and when I requested further clarification on this, she failed to respond to it.
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Post Post #862  (isolation #175)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:36 am

In post 860, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 38, NicoRobin wrote:I am in this game.

In post 39, NicoRobin wrote:Why again? I wanted to replace later. Instead I got shangaied into this.

In post 432, NicoRobin wrote:Baa, baa, black shiiiipppp

I assume you mean the middle post Mem?

Looks like Nico asked to be in the replace queue @ signups but obviously got in to start which is the disgruntlement - arguably the issue start prior to role PMs being dished out so it's technically NAI - from a purely logical perspective it makes my interpretation of Nico setting herself up to lurk on purpose "well I didn't want to play anyway" vibe less relevant

which makes the whole lurker style thing anti town but not necessarily scummy.

I don't like lurkers but that's a policy not a scum read :@


That wasn’t how I interpreted it. “Why again”, why again WHAT exactly? Which is why I requested she clarify, what she was talking about but she never answered my question.

I do have a scumlean and ftr, I am in most circumstances opposed to policy lynches.
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Post Post #867  (isolation #176)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:24 pm

In post 866, ProFlavor wrote:I don't but that only adds to my point I suppose

~ woof


Yeah in Overkill 2, the way he walked back that claim. was super sketchy, so I really can’t see any scum motivation to stick with the claim, so yeah, I agree, probably town.

I also agree getting a town consensus first, would be nice. If the shot had been successful and Stw had flipped town, how would that have helped us?
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Post Post #872  (isolation #177)  » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:27 pm

Townleaning both rotisserie slap chop and Bono.
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Post Post #971  (isolation #178)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:00 am

In post 70, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 38, NicoRobin wrote:I am in this game.


I believe you.

In post 39, NicoRobin wrote:Why again? I wanted to replace later. Instead I got shangaied into this.


“Why again “ what?

Unhappy about something?



In post 432, NicoRobin wrote:Baa, baa, black shiiiipppp

In post 969, NicoRobin wrote:VOTE: Shoshin


Are you ever planning on answering my freaking question? :shifty:
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Post Post #973  (isolation #179)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:19 am

In post 972, NicoRobin wrote:Yes. I am unhappy about being forced to play when I wanted to be a replacement.


Why do you care so much about being a replacement?

And why didn’t you just tell Krazy that?

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Post Post #975  (isolation #180)  » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:45 am

In post 974, NicoRobin wrote:I clearly said '/in to replace' in the sign-up thread.......


In post 87, NicoRobin wrote:/in to replace



UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1073  (isolation #181)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:43 am

In post 975, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 974, NicoRobin wrote:I clearly said '/in to replace' in the sign-up thread.......


In post 87, NicoRobin wrote:/in to replace



UNVOTE:


I don’t know what Nico is but I unvoted her because she clearly refuted, my main reason for initially scumreading her.

Therefore, she is a big fat null for me, atm.

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Post Post #1074  (isolation #182)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:48 am

In post 991, Shoshin the worst wrote:Someone explain scum!Alchemist to me? This just feels like a forced wagon. I literally don't get it.

In post 992, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Wait what? There's an Alchemist wagon WHY? I was fine being complacent earlier but this changes things
-Gamma

In post 993, Shoshin the worst wrote:I think it's just Mewtaph and Taly atm but it does not make any sense to me, either.

In post 994, Varsoon wrote:I'm not incredibly happy with Mewtaph's pushing there.
Makes some degree of sense, but it is what it is. Very curious.

-V


Mewtaph’s play is very different here, than in SC1. Yeah, really really disliking his Alchemist vote. His weird question to Gamma about her alignment and follow up reactions, were weird as well.
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Post Post #1075  (isolation #183)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:51 am

In post 989, Shoshin the worst wrote:Seriously the thread needs to focus on someone else. The amount of bias here is making it excruciating to read.

Posts like ProFlavor's last one SHOULD come >rand from scum because of how conspicuously weighted they are. Taly's magical read reversal on us because we took a break from pushing the thread momentum for a few pages and others stated they still didn't like us should come >rand from scum. But everyone is so full of it I'm not really sure how I'm meant to be reading them.

Most of the active players are town. somewhere in {pintu, ProFlavor, Taly} is as deep as the deepwolves go. If Varsoon's vig isn't proven eventually, powerlynch him.

I'm getting tired of not being treated like a human and there's a weird clique of players who are just positioning as scum for nonsensical reasons, without actually thinking through anything (more likely to come from scum!ProFlavor than scum!Varsoon rn imo). my WIM is through the floor so I'm probably gonna be more low energy and less obvtown than I was a few pages ago.


I can’t remember why now (lots of bad stuff going on, distracting me from this game) but I like rotisserie slap chop for town.
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Post Post #1076  (isolation #184)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:53 am

In post 986, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 980, Tibor and Lumia wrote:If someone can explain to me why Meatloaf is stuck in my head, I'd appreciate it


I'd say it's because it's cold and you're hungry.

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Two out of three ain’t bad? :P
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Post Post #1077  (isolation #185)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:01 am

In post 988, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 986, Almost Chara wrote:it's cold

and lonely in the deeeeep daaarkkk niiiiiight



Spoiler:
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Post Post #1078  (isolation #186)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:41 am

In post 990, Shoshin the worst wrote:But if townies who suspect us can please reason through it with us rather than drive by shading we'd appreciate it. Makes you all easier to sort :p



Spoiler:
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Post Post #1079  (isolation #187)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:49 am

In post 995, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 543, Varsoon wrote:Just gonna bring this into overdrive, actually, and go for the dunk.
Day Vig: Shoshin the Worst

Oh nice
brass mentioned this but I wanted to see for myself what the deal was.
First impression would be this is a reaction test, but I think I saw V For Vendetta saying he meant this.
Since stw is still alive I'll ask: how did you survive, stw?
-Gamma "the hipfire king" Emerald


What makes even less sense to me is, why didn’t ANYONE die? I thought maybe the whole positioning thing might explain it but then NOTHING happened.
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Post Post #1080  (isolation #188)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:53 am

In post 996, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 43, Taly wrote::D so much opportunity to get pocketed!!

._. im gonna have to reread that playerlist movement night action stuff arent i?

not feeling the kokichi IC claim but i slight townvibe it anyway

VOTE: Almost Chara

RVS is bullshit but square up w me, both heads now

~ Taly

Taly's RVS post is what originally scumpinged me.
I don't think he's really done anything outside his scumrange (not anything particularly towny). Taly do you disagree? If I'm grossly misreading you here, help me see where I'm wrong. A lot your defence of yourself & probing of other slots has kind of skated around the centre; the way you do as scum (e.g. PYPX/Y).

> the pocketed comment & the thing wrt rereading playerlist movement just feels forced and stiff. I think there's a hesitation in Taly's tonality through the thread, so far, which I can't not notice.
> the comment about not feeling Kokichi's IC claim but townvibing it is absolutely bizarre. I can see this coming from someone who played SCM1 and liked the laissez-faire comedic entry to the thread but I literally can't see any reason to be townpinged by Kokichi lolclaiming IC and then lurking it out. This doesn't feel like critical reading so much as an agenda/TMI'd read and I think it's the kind of slip-up scum do make while still in RVS.
> RVS bullshit thing is incredibly forced (fwiw voting AC in rvs doesn't seem beneficial to me but I feel like I'm the only person onsite who enjoys RVS for content)


I’m not currently scumreading that slot but no, I do not at all get the townreads on it. Like how does anyone initially read us, as obvscum here?
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Post Post #1081  (isolation #189)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:55 am

In post 998, Alchemist21 wrote:Taly’s vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get a response from me. Mewtaph’s reason for keeping his was sketchy.


Anyone ever claiming that a read/play/etc. is forced/fake/whatever without just cause, usually pings me.
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Post Post #1082  (isolation #190)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:06 am

In post 1000, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 977, Taly wrote:
In post 965, Mewtaph wrote:Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.


Good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Are there any posts you want to have addressed in particular?

VOTE: Alchemist21

I want Alchemist to reply to

This post struck me as more pockety towards Mewtaph, actually. But yeah Mewtaph's reasoning is a trainwreck. I have no read on if it's t/s or s/s but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of these two flips red.
I don't understand how you were meant to reply to 952. lol.


One thing that pings me, is the sense of his posting being somewhat LAMISTy. That might just be NAI though. But those initial posts about HIM being pocketed, did seem a bit odd to me.
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Post Post #1083  (isolation #191)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:11 am

In post 1003, Krazy wrote:
Votecount 1.10
NicoRobin(3) ~ (57), (153), (81)
u r a person 2(2) ~ (43), (42)
Shoshin the worst(2) ~ (6), (143)
Alchemist21(2) ~ (5), (61)
pinturicchio(1) ~ (75)
Mewtaph(1) ~ (52)
Kokichi Oma(1) ~ (70)


Not Voting (2): (184), Kokichi Oma(8)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:05:31)


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Might be reading too much into this but the bolded, based on meta, is more likely to come from town!Kokichi.
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Post Post #1084  (isolation #192)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:13 am

In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced" :thinking:


I don’t really see a connection and if that is AI at all, it is more likely to be the converse.
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Post Post #1085  (isolation #193)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:19 am

In post 1011, Shoshin the worst wrote:Do you have much experience with her?


Is this Shoshin asking this? :lol:
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Post Post #1086  (isolation #194)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:24 am

In post 1021, Taly wrote:oh lol forgot mephisto was in this game again

...ive played with jeanne11... in 2015.

and ive played with nico one game this past year... but it doesnt count since she was mislynched early-game for doing the bare minimum to avoid being replaced


If Nico is town here, that looks good for Taly and vice-versa.
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Post Post #1087  (isolation #195)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:28 am

In post 1022, Taly wrote:
In post 1003, Krazy wrote:NicoRobin(3) ~ (57), (153), (81)
u r a person 2(2) ~ (43), (42)
Shoshin the worst(2) ~ (6), (143)
Alchemist21(2) ~ (5), (61)
pinturicchio(1) ~ (75)
Mewtaph(1) ~ (52)
Kokichi Oma(1) ~ (70)


This is an incredibly bad VC for town.

Michael/STW/UP2, tell me why Nico's a good lynch today.

URAP2 - Already prompted Pint/ProFlavor to talk about their vote here.

STW - vars, make town cohesive <3

Alchemist21 - Actually want Mew to explain his scumread on Alchemist, it's the only one they've had it seems? In like... 1000 posts?

Pint - A reason to townread T&L as I'm feeling less impressed each time I read Pint's ISO or latest posts.

Kokichi - AC, is this really a worthy lynch? Any active posters you don't townread?


Why? And Bono and Alchemist are really bad wagons.
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Post Post #1088  (isolation #196)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:29 am

In post 1023, Taly wrote:anyone have meta on Mew?

like reliable ones? not a 1 game half-assed "this is how someone is as that alignment"?


ISO him in Starcraft 1. He seems to be very different here.
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Post Post #1089  (isolation #197)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:33 am

In post 1024, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1017, Taly wrote:
In post 982, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 952, Taly wrote:Alchemist is someone I want to sort more.

I can see scum take the positions he's had (namely the vote/rationality on STW , and the vote/unvote onto UP2 ), but, alongside my other iffy/scumlean reads, a lot of people don't agree.

ProFlavor, Michael Scott, and Pint need an individual ISO for me to get thoughts rolling on them.

Mephisto reread / UP2 Wagon Evaluation / ProFlavor/Michael Scott/Pint are the areas of sorting I'm looking to absolve in the next 2 days.


I don’t know what you expect me to respond to here. I’ve made myself pretty clear so if you’re still insure about something you’ll need to ask specific questions instead of asking for a response to a vaguely reasoned read.


I wasn't convinced by your original STW vote, so can you explain how that read has evolve since ?


Someone already touched on this a bit (can’t remember who) but they were responding individually to posts at/about them in a way that made it easy to tell who was who. My original line of thought was that the lack of signing and being “one voice” was a method to avoid attempts at meta reading them (which their “we have no meta” post seemed to suggest). Their individual responses while still refusing to sign showed me that I was wrong. They’re not shying away from engagement either, which considering Shoshin’s pre-game claim that he’d have little time I believe scum would have used to try and stay under the radar.

And what were your thoughts on UP2/STW's interaction after you unvoted in ? You stated an argument they were scum/town but you didn't follow up in a change of thought when UP2 clarified something to you.


It went back to null. That should have been obvious since I unvoted. Thinking back on it now, it’s slightly Towny that he wanted to work with STW on a common read, but not as Towny as it would be if they had initiated the interaction. STW gets Townier for it.
Do you see anything scum-indicative with Mewtaph aside from their reasoning to keep their vote on you?

No.


Doubling down on my townread on this.
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Post Post #1090  (isolation #198)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:34 am

In post 1025, Taly wrote:UNVOTE:

A bit more confident in Alchemist-town, not lynching this.

I'd like Mew to do something about their "one vote/scumread+no push in the game at all" thing they have going for their all-of-5-posts.

VOTE: pinturicchio

Next.


Taly might be town here, afterall.
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Post Post #1091  (isolation #199)  » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:37 am

In post 1029, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 1018, Taly wrote:I want to make sure they actually read it.

Don't play shit like this. That's intolerant and intolerable.
We read all of your posts. We talk about them before replying (and need to be in front of a PC generally for formatting reasons).

I'm going to go and read the rest of your post now but shit like this is not on.


Tbf, that reads kind of townie to me. Scum don’t really care that much about being misunderstood.
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