Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

[Nikk]

VOTE: Kaito

FFVIII is bad and the numbering system made me think of that.

I am Reggie Miller.

[Nikk]

Guess what, I'm a miller too.
I wonder if all the roles that would be VT are miller instead?

Nah

[Nikk]

That was a joke.

[Nikk]

I hope there are 4 millers and no coos

[Nikk]

Cops*

[Nikk]

Oops All Millers

[Nikk]

I've caught up after NYD and it's basically nonsense the last three days.

Maki's naked vote is the only thing that really stands out at all.

[Nikk]

Maki is a big scumread to me based on interactions. Will post a more in depth read as I reread. Staying caught up on this game has been more difficult than I thought, but one more reread should do it.

[Nikk]

Hey Maki, a question:

Is it better to vote without reasoning or to provide reasoning without a vote?

[Nikk]

Hey Maki, a question:

Is it better to vote without reasoning or to provide reasoning without a vote?

Hint: You've done both so far

You mean my random vote on page 1? That's an interesting narrative you are trying to build there, tell me more.

[Nikk]

Hey Maki, a question:

Is it better to vote without reasoning or to provide reasoning without a vote?

Hm is the person voting without reasoning have serious reason and just not stating it or is it just a vote without reason?
I think I go with provide reasoning without a vote. While I see the obvious scum benefit this has waiting for an answer from the person the reasoning is about is also valid.

Thank you,

I will be honest a lot of my gut feeling on you is based on the very early naked vote. As of right now though I have you at slight TL.

Elsa and Clem both strike me as players who drown out quality with quantity. There has been some gameplay there but a lot of meaningless posts as well.

Wisdom is playing a weird game of pushing on Maki and only Maki without laying down a concrete reason. Reading the ISO here reads of aggression mixed with an attempt to lay lie. That combination piques my interest.

VOTE: Wisdom

[Nikk]

nikk what you dont understand does not equal scum

If I did not understand something here this would be relevant, but as it stands, much like 90% of your play this game, it is not.

[Nikk]

Also nikk

what do you mean wisdom is playing a weird game? Can you classify "weird" and explain what you mean in a more transparent stance? I mean can you explain how is this thing that you're calling weird "scummy"

I closed that sentence with what I felt was weird.

[Nikk]

Also nikk

what do you mean wisdom is playing a weird game? Can you classify "weird" and explain what you mean in a more transparent stance? I mean can you explain how is this thing that you're calling weird "scummy"

I closed that sentence with what I felt was weird.

I think you misunderstood my question

I know I worded it bad

let me phrase it simply: "describe why is he scummy"

I'll take part of the blame. I speedread to catch up at times on my 15 min break.

Aggression towards one target with no other input into the game, terrible response to being questioned, quiet pusher (one who attempts to lead a town towards a lynch while not being the most vocal in terms of posts towards it).

[Nikk]

Frozen Angel

In order to keep conversation flowing:

Do you feel Elsa and Clem's actions help or hinder the town?

[Nikk]

So you play in a way that is not productive to a well oiled town and by your own admission deal with being called out fairly often, yet you still antagonize over people calling this behavior out.

Do I have this correct?

Also add hiding an actual response behind 'the play voting me is new and as such the reasoning is invalid" to my list of why I feel you are scum.

[Nikk]

Aggression towards one target with no other input into the game, terrible response to being questioned, quiet pusher (one who attempts to lead a town towards a lynch while not being the most vocal in terms of posts towards it).

giving no input to game doesn't mean their aggression has no basis. Its not like they voted randomly based on how I look their votes. So I wonder why you think thats scummy

I agree about the terrible response after getting pushed

how is being a pusher scummy?

I never said it was without basis or that pushing is scummy. I was stating it's more for the lack of other input on other avenues.

[Nikk]

Wisdom I would like to know your thoughts on Chara, if you would.

[Nikk]

Disagree

[Nikk]

Can I say my thoughts on Chara?

You can do whatever you like but it's not what I am looking for with that question.

[Nikk]

You can do whatever you like

Ladies and gentlemen.

THIS IS MAMBO N°5

I gave you a T.I. layup and you went Mambo.

DIS A POINTED!

[Nikk]

Correct. That.

[Nikk]

Why is chara townish? Or would you rather not say?

[Nikk]

UNVOTE:

Woah now.

[Nikk]

Why is chara townish? Or would you rather not say?

how are you reading me Nikk?

I would rather wait for Wisdom's answer to my follow up.

[Nikk]

Why is chara townish? Or would you rather not say?

Wisdom



In case you missed it due to me not tagging you and Clem flooding with noncontent this was directed to you.

[Nikk]

no i saw it and ignored it

Thanks, that's an answer in and of itself.

If you are not scum I feel like Chara is trying to pocket you. Can you see that?

[Nikk]

maybe

Still Townish?

[Nikk]

yeah

I'll trust your .... Wisdom on that

Eh? Eh?

Okay but really thanks for answering the questions, I still see you as scum right now but at least we can play a bit.

[Nikk]

Elsa Jay,

Can you elaborate more on your read on Maki?

[Nikk]

@Elsa Doesn't that depend of mafia being informed for it to work?

@Dave mix it up, keep scum guessing. It's worked for me in the past.

[Nikk]

Here's where I am at now...

1. Wisdom appears to just be this way, and focusing on players who always act suspicious is bad town play
2. IF Maki flips town there is a decent reason to circle back to Wisdom and perhaps even Chara at that time.
3. IF Maki flips scum Elsa Jay is a decent next run.

I don't see us learning as much from flipping Wisdom. It just seems more flimsy then what we learn from a Maki push.

VOTE: Maki

[Nikk]

Nikk, is planning out a lynch order day 1 really a good idea in your eyes? Especially when doing that gives scum an easy out to say "well we got a plan let's follow it".

That would be astronomically bad scum play and they would get caught very quickly.

[Nikk]

I feel like mafia informed Maki wouldnt bring up the option of mafia being informed about the millers. Seems stupid to even mention the possibility and fuck over your teammate claiming it.

This your response to my asking for your read.

But now you are saying you are not arguing maki is mafia or not.

Which is it?

[Nikk]

This is a shockingly defensive response to me basically saying I read Elsa and Maki as scum team.

Do you feel I have enough sway to lead town?

[Nikk]

You don't see a connection between C and B?

I'll let you know my answer: no. I'm no town leader. Me saying you are a decent run if Maki flips scum is just me being open with my thought process. Without anyone to follow or asking anyone to follow it cannot be a lynch order.

[Nikk]

Because being open with thoughts and information at times is helpful to the town. Basing a lynch not just on who is scum but also what town learns from it is helpful. And finally because I never intended it to be a lynch list, more a 'here is what we learn by voting this way vs that'. Giving you a run doesn't mean a quick lynch with no conversation, just means you should be first focus the next day.

Especially now.

[Nikk]

If you get this defensive about the mere idea of people voting for you then I shudder to think how you will play when you have actual pressure.

Why would I come after you now? I learn less flipping you than Maki, despite your attempt to bait me into am argument here.

[Nikk]

Also I would only do that if Maki flips scum...scum slip?

[Nikk]

Also I would only do that if Maki flips scum...scum slip?

reach

You don't feel Elsa's been arguing fully on the assumption that Maki will flip scum this last page? How are you reading it, would appreciate an outsider opinion.

[Nikk]

i have one scumread and a million dumb reads

We get it you

vape

want us to vote Maki

[Nikk]

Also I would only do that if Maki flips scum...scum slip?

reach

You don't feel Elsa's been arguing fully on the assumption that Maki will flip scum this last page? How are you reading it, would appreciate an outsider opinion.

My argument literally has nothing to do with that. I point blank told you a townread her. What the hell are you trying to say?

I'm arguing your scum here who doesn't care that she flips TOWN. You aren't even focused on me, like you said. You actually want to go after Wisdom and Chara next. Because your scum trying to set up a strike and take 3 townies in 1 go. Throwing shade at me was a bonus.

Then why wouldn't I stay on Wisdom. If Im scum and Im setting him up he's town. He's a much easier mislynch then Maki to make Wisdom look bad to lynch Wisdom.

Makes zero sense.

[Nikk]

I'm actually flabbergasted you are making that argument.

[Nikk]

Because other then policy lynch, you got jackshit on Wisdom. On Maki your focusing on a previously established suspicion.

Getting Maki flipped town is more advantageous for you to get more out of it.

This is scum 101: using a suspicion made by a good townie on a suspicious townie and drive home the mislynch.

If we can move the votes off of wisdom and onto Nikk it'd be very appreciated.

Wisdom was at L-1 before I moved my vote off, correct?

[Nikk]

Ah, the disadvantage of playing too many games at once. I'll own that one.

[Nikk]

I get a chuckle out of Clem playing the sidekick to Elsa on every post. Don't even get a scumread on it, it's just a funny mental image.

[Nikk]

I get a chuckle out of Clem playing the sidekick to Elsa on every post. Don't even get a scumread on it, it's just a funny mental image.

that's what i do

And well!

[Nikk]

Look,

I wont back off what I said. If you feel me trying to work out the game a bit is scummy then I will address any questions you have.

But I still feel my reads have merit and still feel the best lynch is Maki.

[Nikk]

It's called charisma and personal chemistry.

You'll see no arguments here, although the caps locks and constant periods to show frustration do make the game less fun. But we can chat post game once all is revealed on that.

[Nikk]

Look,

If you feel me trying to work out the game a bit is scummy

that wording
lmao

I legit don't even get what you are driving at here so if it's an insult or whatever it went past me.

[Nikk]

Hey Elsa,

I want to make sure my read is accurate as I obviously messed something up already. On your Maki read...you have a townread due to the post stating that maybe the scum were clued into the miller-fest. You feel no scum would make this post and give out scum info. What pieces do I have wrong here?

[Nikk]

It's called charisma and personal chemistry.

You'll see no arguments here, although the caps locks and constant periods to show frustration do make the game less fun. But we can chat post game once all is revealed on that.

My entire argument ruined because I put extra periods to enunciate myself and 1 sentence in Capital letters, wowo I must be so evil.

(I used my shift key on my phone for all of these capital letters, I'll have you know. Caps lock is for the weak.)

That shift key is a power move.

Like I said we can chat after. It holds no bearing on the game and would become a distraction. Cool?

[Nikk]

youre both town

Aww Wissy I knew you liked me.

[Nikk]

Hey Elsa,

I want to make sure my read is accurate as I obviously messed something up already. On your Maki read...you have a townread due to the post stating that maybe the scum were clued into the miller-fest. You feel no scum would make this post and give out scum info. What pieces do I have wrong here?

My experience with Maria suggests that she wouldn't come out first thing to do that as scum, yes.

youre both town

... Should have brought a real gun for a better answer. Le sigh. But good to have that as an option.

Sigh.

Despite what I want (for you to be scum to make me right) I'm actually getting a dang townlean on you.

Let me read back with the proper 8 to lynch number in mind and see what shakes out.

[Nikk]

Votecount 1.2

Wisdom (4): Maki Harukawa, Kaito Momota, davesaz, Clemency
Maki Harukawa (3): Wisdom, Frozen Angel, Pink Ball
Elsa Jay (2): Alchemist21, sheepsaysmeep
Kaito Momota (2): Nikk, Chara
Frozen Angel (1): Firebringer
Clemency (1): Elsa Jay

Not Voting: Creature, Lady Angel

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-14 08:51:00)

Hey so...my vote was on Wisdom here not Kaito. Didn't even catch that oversight.

[Nikk]

I would love to hear from Alchemist about this recent exchange.

[Nikk]

I've been reading the whole thing but it's all just noise to me.

Yeah? You have literally no read from it? At all?

[Nikk]

Elsa Jay and Clemency vs Nikk: We sleep.

Frozen Angel vs Creature: We woke.

That's the general feeling I just got.

I am uncomfortable when we are not about me.

[Nikk]

shes scum because of that

Got em.

[Nikk]

VOTE: Nikki

Shocked, shocked I say.

Not that shocked.

[Nikk]

I went back and reread the interaction between myself and Elsa after seeing Maki's vote. I'm on a PC instead of my normal being on a phone so I can do a bit more. Here's my thoughts.

Nikk, is planning out a lynch order day 1 really a good idea in your eyes?

Especially when doing that gives scum an easy out to say "well we got a plan let's follow it".

I am asked a question here and given a focus on why Elsa thinks it's bad. I respond the next post

That would be astronomically bad scum play and they would get caught very quickly.

This is me saying I don't think listing my thoughts out gives scum a free ride. As this is at this time the only reason Elsa gave for it being bad I figured the question at this time is answered.

I'm not arguing Maki is mafia or not. I'm currently arguing about setting a dang lynch order and the doubt of scumreading Maki for bringing up a possibility of mafia being informed.

If anything, this makes me scumread Nikk for doing this.

Pedit: saying "Scum won't follow that plan" is the same as knowing what scum can do. We have a lot of less serious players this game. An easy wagon is appealing. One your trying to set up.

This is a counterpoint to what I brought up as reasoning for why I feel what I did was townish. This establishes that Elsa saw my response.

During this time this exchange happened:

@Elsa Jay: Which way are you trying to argue, that Maki is mafia and informed, or not mafia?

I'm not arguing Maki is mafia or not. I'm currently arguing about setting a dang lynch order and the doubt of scumreading Maki for bringing up a possibility of mafia being informed.

If anything, this makes me scumread Nikk for doing this.

Pedit: saying "Scum won't follow that plan" is the same as knowing what scum can do. We have a lot of less serious players this game. An easy wagon is appealing. One your trying to set up.

That wasn't the question asked of you though... so I bring this in to try and see if you are moving off the position or what here.

I feel like mafia informed Maki wouldnt bring up the option of mafia being informed about the millers. Seems stupid to even mention the possibility and fuck over your teammate claiming it.

This your response to my asking for your read.

But now you are saying you are not arguing maki is mafia or not.

Which is it?

Which you respond with this:

I mentioned I think Maki is town. I told you that's not the current argument I'm trying to say to you. I'm talking to you about the lynch order. Stop avoiding that just because I townread her.

Which is great...except the assertation that I am avoiding discussing your complaint which has now permiated to Clem and Maki. I answered the only question you posed to me.

This is a shockingly defensive response to me basically saying I read Elsa and Maki as scum team.

Do you feel I have enough sway to lead town?

At this point I feel you are being defensive and want to push to see how you respond to being pressured. The answer is ... not well.

Oh my god.

Subject A: I think Maki is town.

Subject B: I think setting up a lynch order is scummy.

I want to discuss Subject B. You distract town with subject A. I double down I want to talk about Subject B.

Now you bring up a new one, Subject C: Do I think you can sway the town.

Stop that shit.

Again, the assertation that I am avoiding a conversation I am still participating in. You gave me one good reason why you feel what I did was bad and I stated I don't believe it to be true.

You don't see a connection between C and B?

I'll let you know my answer: no. I'm no town leader. Me saying you are a decent run if Maki flips scum is just me being open with my thought process. Without anyone to follow or asking anyone to follow it cannot be a lynch order.

I continue to talk to you about the subject and tell you that me posting reads is not setting up easy lynches. I would need to be able to sway town as a town leader for that.

You don't see a connection between C and B?

I'll let you know my answer: no. I'm no town leader. Me saying you are a decent run if Maki flips scum is just me being open with my thought process. Without anyone to follow or asking anyone to follow it cannot be a lynch order.

... That is answering your own subject C more then B and you know it.

I DONT WANT YOU TO ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION.

VOTE: Nikk

And here we get the revenge vote.

Nikk, my question is to you why setting up a lynch order isn't scummy. You just tried to counter that by saying your not a town leader. That didn't answer my damn question.

My question is why are you attemping to set up a lynch order and not focus on today. You don't have to "ask people to follow". That's implied when you put down who you want to lynch back to back.

Why. Isn't. Setting a lynch after Maki. Whether they flip town or scum. Scummy?

Do I need to bold my question for you?

You ask the same question that again I already answered but this time in a more agressive way due to having pressure on you. Also continuing the narrative that I wasn't answering. You also push that I am not focusing on today when my entire post that started this was about who to lynch today.

Because being open with thoughts and information at times is helpful to the town. Basing a lynch not just on who is scum but also what town learns from it is helpful. And finally because I never intended it to be a lynch list, more a 'here is what we learn by voting this way vs that'. Giving you a run doesn't mean a quick lynch with no conversation, just means you should be first focus the next day.

Especially now.

And I give my logic and reasoning here.

From there it devolves into you attempting to get me to revenge vote you back and other inane bickering.

What I don't understand in all of this is this:

Do you believe anyone who uses an x seems connected to y is scummy? It's the same philosophy as what I did.



ALSO:

Anyone who says THAT is just noise is talking nonsense. Try again.

[Nikk]

My conclusion to all that... is either Elsa is super defensive because they were next if Maki flipped red (which could just be bad town play, not really a lockdown scumtell there) or Elsa wanted to paint me as uncooperative and knew at least Clem would follow because Clem (which would be a very hard scum tell of course)

Not really sure how to interpret all of it but I do feel Maki's most recent vote is a pretty blatant opportunistic revenge vote. So for now my vote remains. I'm willing to listen to reasons why I'm off base here.

[Nikk]

VOTE: nikk

Care to share a reason?

[Nikk]

No one else jump in please, this question is for Clem and Clem alone.

[Nikk]

Nikk what do you think about my reason for scumreading Elsa?

19?

[Nikk]

can i offer you the lyrics of Sheer Heart Attack by Queen
because it is 7 in the morning and I have not slept and that's the only thing going through my head right now
i need a doctor

No. Play the game please.

[Nikk]

yeah my vote is in the right place

So that's a no for giving a reason then?

[Nikk]

That plus 173

Mmmmm...nah. i even thought that way seeing 2 then changed once more came out. Not a scum tell.

[Nikk]

nope

Noted. Thanks.

[Nikk]

i'm fully aware of that fact
i become pretty useful once i have an actual argument to latch on to

Ah, cool. Thanks for answering my question here.

[Nikk]

I see. And can you explain your Maki vote more? Was it purely for an informational lynch or did you have reasons to scumread Maki? I don't really see your reason for the vote beyond this quote:

Here's where I am at now...

1. Wisdom appears to just be this way, and focusing on players who always act suspicious is bad town play
2. IF Maki flips town there is a decent reason to circle back to Wisdom and perhaps even Chara at that time.
3. IF Maki flips scum Elsa Jay is a decent next run.

I don't see us learning as much from flipping Wisdom. It just seems more flimsy then what we learn from a Maki push.

VOTE: Maki

Yes, informational. I was null on Maki at that point after the first push. Im still only slightly scumlean and honestly there likely is some bias due to the revenge vote being on me. So lets call it a gentlemens null.

But...the information gained is more there, and the chance of flipping scum is as good as any other (no ones given me a clear scumread as of yet that makes me go THATS OUR SCUM).

[Nikk]

More than what alternative?

If this is directed at me Wisdom was who my vote was on at the time. You can also toss any of the low volume posters in there as well.

[Nikk]

Sleep time.
Again, as stated anyone voting for me who has questions feel free to ask. We need more conversation away from the five or so who have been talkative.

Also I will laugh and laugh if FA is scum and just went with something I've done before and claimed miller quick then played as if there can be multiple. Not saying I think that is happening but that I would get a great amount of enjoyment out of someone using a play I had use.

[Nikk]

i really wish there was scum meta on Nikk, because i don't know what to do with him here.

727 is a monster of a post, and i'd kind of like to call it a miscommunication between what Nikk was saying and how Elsa interpreted it. i don't know if it's AI or if Nikk's distinct style here is, either, because the awkwardness could be simple newness or trying to be very logical and structured as scum.

In a vacuum I could see it as miscommunication. /nod

It's not newness.
I play this way as either town or scum, although the q+ feature not carrying over on mobile severely limits my ability to do so here sadly. Really wish that wasn't the case.

[Nikk]

Also I understand me saying how I scum is going to be met with the very most grains of salt as there is no on site evidence.

[Nikk]

pedit: ironically, the above post is more pocketing-esque.

I did it completely on purpose to prove my point. That's pocketing, not townreading someone. I think I've been more pockety with you and Wisdom this game than FA.

The scumteam is Maki, Nikk and Lady Angel. @ me at the end of the game with this post please.

Hate to post 3 then run but here we are.

Reasoning or gut? I don't need the reasoning if you don't want to rush it out, just curious.

[Nikk]

pedit: ironically, the above post is more pocketing-esque.

I did it completely on purpose to prove my point. That's pocketing, not townreading someone. I think I've been more pockety with you and Wisdom this game than FA.

The scumteam is Maki, Nikk and Lady Angel. @ me at the end of the game with this post please.

Hate to post 3 then run but here we are.

Reasoning or gut? I don't need the reasoning if you don't want to rush it out, just curious.

Maki is reasoning and gut; you are reasoning; LA is gut, being the one who I'm less convinced.

Thanks, these sort of things help me out. I do actually TL you slightly.

[Nikk]

Well, caught up and unless I missed them I see no questions for me left open.

Would love an up to date vote count. Seems to me the votes are spread across three locations but again I mostly play on my phone and keeping up with vote counts on the phone while playing is no picnic.

Kaito, if you are still looking ISO Me, Elsa and Maki for the last 16 and you'll get the gist of what was up.

[Nikk]

Sorry that was for Sheep not Kaito.

[Nikk]

So can I assume you think I'm bussing Maki?

[Nikk]

So can I assume you think I'm bussing Maki?

Bussing is a powerful word, but there's no reason to used it. 'Less you're talking about the Nikk dude, then there's nothing really to it.

But seriously, more like distancing than bussing. Not because you're pushing Maki now means you'll keep doing it later. In fact, I think you started distancing from the begining, before you started voting her.

/nod I can see that side of things. It's wrong but at least it's a reasonable thought process.

Also I don't get the reference.

[Nikk]

Pink's a pretty strong townread based on these last few interactions here.

[Nikk]

It's not just you.

[Nikk]

Also I need to V/LA as we have surprise auditors at my job. I will try to be as active as possible but with no pjone for most of my day itll be rough

[Nikk]

Lady Angel wagon is lazy at best and scum driven at worst, and anti-town fits in somewhere in between

I would agree with this. Chara and Sheeps votes in particular set of alarm bells.

[Nikk]

Lady Angel wagon is lazy at best and scum driven at worst, and anti-town fits in somewhere in between

I would agree with this. Chara and Sheeps votes in particular set of alarm bells.

this "scum never lurk" or "lurkers are always null" meta sucks, and leaves towns with multiple unreadable/useless slots in the endgame.
why's she town?
i'm scumreading her posting. the only good argument i've seen for her town is the miller claim, and she could have been told to do that.

i can compromise on Maki, but it's more of a lack of townread there than a scumread.

What are you talking about? All I stated was your vote set off alarm bells. What is this meta you are attributing to me here?

[Nikk]

i'm referring to general meta that dislikes lurker lynches (i like lurker lynches situationally.)
not any meta about you specifically.

Okay, you quoted my post. Why?

[Nikk]

Negative I was agreeing to him saying the push felt off. My reasoning is the people on it and the way it built.

[Nikk]

Read all the spoiler tags Lady made and... Wowo. I feel like we hit the goldmine. Bonus points for being the only one to care about Clem denying being my Mason buddy.

It also reminded me that after the events Nikk said "yeah I'm townrrading you for that" and ignored me now. That's still a weird sign in my eyes. The laziest attempt to pocket someone?

"I'm townreading you so I can ignore you now." Kinda thing.

Did I not V/LA in this game?

[Nikk]

Yeah I did. I can catch up tomorrow, but c'mon Elsa. To use my absence after stating my activity would but cut is lazy as either scum or town.

[Nikk]

I didnt see a giant "V/LA" sign on your account, so I forgot you did that,

Fair, I retract what I said then.

[Nikk]

The Maki vote was pure bandwagon

How does that make me scum?

as was his next vote on Wisdom.

How does that make me scum?

Then he defends Maki from Wisdom despite having just voted her.

How does that make me scum?

and it seemed more brought on by frustration than anything.

So? What's your point?

The wisdom vote also seemed quite random at the end of the iso.

How does that make me scum?

Overall there isn't much to work with here

and what there is is pinging me enough to suspect him.

This is the same reason people were just voting you - it's not a good one, which you said in the same post

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kaito

This is the scummiest post by far this game and we've had Elsa just messing around half the game. Kaito is a strong scumread.

[Nikk]

Maki,

Can you pick out posts of mine in particular while I was pushing Wisdom that you feel make me scum? I am curious to your reasoning and logic.

[Nikk]

I will say I just did an ISO and feel like I now have two scum leans instead of the just the one. May do a couple more to check out what's going on.

[Nikk]

I was under the impression you had several scumreads. Maybe I forgot?

Are you assuming I scumread Elsa and Clem?

yeah

I'll trust your .... Wisdom on that

Eh? Eh?

Okay but really thanks for answering the questions, I still see you as scum right now but at least we can play a bit.

You say you see Wisdom as scum still in this post and yet the way you're talking to him. Trusting what he's saying etc feels like you're talking to someone you know will flip town. Combined with the fact you still sr him but 8 posts later.

Here's where I am at now...

1. Wisdom appears to just be this way, and focusing on players who always act suspicious is bad town play
2. IF Maki flips town there is a decent reason to circle back to Wisdom and perhaps even Chara at that time.
3. IF Maki flips scum Elsa Jay is a decent next run.

I don't see us learning as much from flipping Wisdom. It just seems more flimsy then what we learn from a Maki push.

VOTE: Maki

We get this. You flip to me when you're not even stating you're scumreading me. You're openly pushing someone you don't scumread at the moment here compared to someone Nikki said he does scumread. What does this read like to you guys? To me it's someone who was scared to push town wisdom lynch through. Or he thought I would be a better ML and would set up Wisdom for tomorrow

i have one scumread and a million dumb reads

We get it you

vape

want us to vote Maki

This doesn't feel like partner/partner interaction just wanted to point it out.

youre both town

Aww Wissy I knew you liked me.

Stuff like this buddy buddy reads like he 100% dropped the wisdom scumread and is just pure focus on me now. It's just strange

I am town and I back off Wisdom because it seemed others were not buying into what I was presenting. Made me second guess whether I was pitbulling on another townie. Plus Wisdom seemed to be involved more to me.

This play is a pretty townie play on your end though.

[Nikk]

Man I need to proofread before hitting submit, this is getting embarrassing.

[Nikk]

A question:

Maki, Dave, Kaito


What are your thoughts on each other?

[Nikk]

Frustration does not suite you well.

[Nikk]

Also am I allowed to ask random questions like that as well? Maybe to fish for something to push on? Just 3 random names?

Nikk, Firebringer, Clemency


What are your thoughts on each other?

Firebringer has a low post count but seems to have some content when they post.
Clem has a high post count and sometimes has content when he posts.

Both are null atm because neither of those are AI

[Nikk]

This is the part where I come in and point out how the above interaction makes Chara look worse, since if Elsa Jay is scum she isn't in a position to bus

And then you guys can do the same for me

Hey, you asked my opinion on Creature and Chara. I confirm I think they are nice people. How is that helpful to the game?

I laughed. You finally got me.

[Nikk]

I've given a read on both and I stand by those reads

Last post for tonight.

I've been through your ISO twice. You have not given a read on Dave. So what exactly are you standing by here? Please quote the exact post where you gave a read on Dave.

[Nikk]

I'm fine with this. Only reason I have him as null is that everyone else seems to be saying that's how the dude plays...but that's just bad play on my part. If you act scummy you should get lynched.

VOTE: Clemency

[Nikk]

Kaita,

That's not a read and you know it. That's commentary on a single play taken in the game from post 87. If you are going to insult someone please ensure you are correct. Or, preferably, play the game without insulting people. There is that too.

The laughable thing is that 1) I do posts like that to hide my target among two people who's reactions I don't care as much about. This helps me get responses that aren't as defensive 2) you were not the focus of that post 3) you came out defensive as heck.

I do really like your reasoning on Clem.

[Nikk]

Kaita,

Do you have any thoughts on Clem's response to me questioning him about his naked vote on me earlier. Maybe it's bias because it involves me but I think that would be an important exchange.

Pink, is that exchange not what you consider trolly?

[Nikk]

That's the exchange, yeah. Thanks.

Would love Pink's thoughts on them as well.

[Nikk]

You're pretty bad at strategy then, if your strategy to upset someone is 'play like scum with no follow up on the attempt to upset'. Playing to disrupt and put off edge has it's place, but that's a poor show of it there.

[Nikk]

it's working quite splendidly right now

Oh?

[Nikk]

I've...never heard that logic...seems unusual.

[Nikk]

You've had me at the top of you list a few times but I don't remember seeing a why. Can you elaborate?

[Nikk]

I've...never heard that logic...seems unusual.

No he’s right. Any flip is better than no flip.

I've heard that. I've not heard town flip is better than scum flip.

[Nikk]

I'm town because that's what my role PM says.

I've also been pushing different avenues to attempt to gain as much information for the town as possible. That's generally fairly townie behavior.

Dave did you answer my question?

[Nikk]

My word Maki, that sequence was scummy as all get out and lost you any goodwill towards towniness you had with me.

VOTE: Maki

Going on instinct here and trusting my gut. While Clem's play has been scummy and counterproductive I believe the PR claim for now.

[Nikk]

My word Maki, that sequence was scummy as all get out and lost you any goodwill towards towniness you had with me.

VOTE: Maki

Going on instinct here and trusting my gut. While Clem's play has been scummy and counterproductive I believe the PR claim for now.

How was it scummy? The clem wagon was bad so if I can prove it's bad by getting a lynch on it when I didn't see a valid lynch target before is that so bad? No, it's not.

If my math is right, me and clem were within 1 (4 and 3) at the time of your vote. Why not vote me in that situation? Seems like you took an opportunistic vote based on momentum and now that momentum has changed you backpedaled and spun to the next wagon.

[Nikk]

I'm going to be signing off for the night soon (about an hour or so)

If anyone has any questions let me know. I'm at L-2 and have already all but roleclaimed so not sure what more I can give.

FMPOV scum team is Maki, Dave and Kaita. In that order of confidence.

[Nikk]

I thought clem was close to hammerish range and you had like no votes on you
I got corrected so I moved *shrug*

Convenient.

[Nikk]

By saying he all but roleclaimed, I think he's confirming he's VT/Goon. That's better then killing a PR.

/nod VT

I'm out. Later all.

[Nikk]

The sad thing is I think Clem is town but for someone trying to upset me all game and posturing like some great troll they get got by every little post about them and that seems so very very scummy.

Still if it comes down to me who I know is town vs a player who I think is town that's not even a discussion.

[Nikk]

Also from my experience if Clem is alive come daybreak than he's a) not a pr or b) the mafia done goofed.

So why would he not claim?

[Nikk]

Off to work.

Self preservation.

VOTE: Clemency

[Nikk]

In b4 creature was the one coaching Clem but Clem ignored it lol

Okay, leaving for real now.

[Nikk]

As it may be twilight I don't want to post anything game related.

If I am indeed lynched was fun playing with you all. Hope to see you in another game.

[Nikk]

Thanks but it goes against my personal beliefs on the game.

[Nikk]

I would disagree with it being antithetical to the nature of the game, but I do agree until mod calls game who knows what screwiness can occur. I've always allowed it as a mod, but don't do it myself.

Like I said just wanted to post gg, see you around etc etc