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Guess what, I'm a miller too.
I wonder if all the roles that would be VT are miller instead?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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In my case timing of claim is because of waking up slightly before 11am. It’s good to be on vacation.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I'm confused by the Miller family references.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Oh gee, I love it when noise outnumbers signal 10:1.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Maki seems to be solving, Kaito seems to not be solving.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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There is an element of truth to this, but the if/when and how I make comments about it makes a difference.In post 279, Maki Harukawa wrote:In post 274, Alchemist21 wrote:Dave’s is honestly hard to explain but the post where he complained about the noise-signal ratio is what gave me the Townread.
I feel like dave is just the type of person to get annoyed by noise in general NAI imo.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I'd be interested to hear what you say about it.In post 276, Nikk wrote:Maki is a big scumread to me based on interactions.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Do tell.In post 270, Wisdom wrote:
appearances deceiveIn post 265, davesaz wrote:Maki seems to be solving, Kaito seems to not be solving.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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What are the numbers, and who is this dunn person?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Are the postcounts relevant to something?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I have an opinion on this but I'm going to reserve it for later. Posting this helps me remember to do that later, since I tend to ISO myself to find out if I left any to do list.In post 294, Chara wrote:what would town Wisdom who scumreads you be doing differently?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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The key to the whole Jay clan is to only really believe what they say after they flip town. Before that point it's all maybe...Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I’m willing to vote wisdom but on my tablet and don’t feel like jumping through the hoops to type the vote tags rn. He can have up till I get back to the computer to actually play the game.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Usually the people I don't think are scumhunting end up being scum.In post 372, Wisdom wrote:dave you should know better
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How many scum likely in 15 people?
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383/384 look like town posts.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Lady Angel has been on site but not posted here, and what little there is looks gross. I loathe lurker lynches unless there is clear meta, so not a priority yet.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Pink ball ISO has maybe one original thought, 2-3 posts about it, and a bunch of fluff.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Lack of explanation has nothing to do with it.
Lack of doing anything is the scumtell.
BTW who is dunn? I don't want to make a wrong assumption here.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I require Wisdom to give thoughts on more people.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I know what Mambo is (don't know lyrics though), but not what T.I. is.
Oh, a mod. Can we have a VC please?
Pedit: like right there lol.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Color changed to make it readable on mafSepia.In post 453, Gamma Emerald wrote: Votecount 1.2
Wisdom (4): Maki Harukawa, Kaito Momota, davesaz, Clemency
Maki Harukawa (3): Wisdom, Frozen Angel, Pink Ball
Elsa Jay (2): Alchemist21, sheepsaysmeep
Kaito Momota (2): Nikk, Chara
Frozen Angel (1): Firebringer
Clemency (1): Elsa Jay
Not Voting: Creature, Lady Angel
Deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-14 08:51:00)
Suggestion:add the "with x living it takes y to lynch" so we don't need to check #players on each vc or remember it.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Elsa Jay might be scum. I had written things off as shitposting, but on review there is a remarkable lack of useful stuff. As in almost as little as Wisdom has.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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On the contrary, giving my reads is the only thing useful I can do, aside from voting.In post 465, Pink Ball wrote:Hey dave, you seem to complain a lot about people not doing useful stuff, but that's like... The only thing you've done in your whole ISO, and that's not so useful either. Just saying.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Besides, the point is not complaining about anything. The point is that the people I'm identifying are not doing things to scumhunt.
Pedit: Clemency -- stop spamming! Once or twice might be fine, more than that ceases to be funny.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I am obviously scumhunting. I would read others posting the way I do as town.In post 476, Pink Ball wrote:
And if you were me and I were you, would you say I'm scumhunting?In post 472, davesaz wrote:Besides, the point is not complaining about anything. The point is that the people I'm identifying are not doing things to scumhunt.
Pedit: Clemency -- stop spamming! Once or twice might be fine, more than that ceases to be funny.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I think you offered to do this but then got distracted by Mamba.In post 445, Pink Ball wrote:Can I say my thoughts on Chara?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Might I be the type of person who would vote someone but not prefer to lynch them?
@Chara, not quite sure what you're annoyed about in the quote that Pink Ball responded to.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Wisdom: I would expect him to have a stated opinion and generate content on more than one player.In post 489, Chara wrote:speaking of thoughts, i seem to remember you having opinions on what town Wisdom would do here, dave.
i'd also love your opinion on everything regarding Kaito. some of my read needs context, but it's context Kaito and Maki absolutely have, hence my focus there.
Kaito: I have a vague sort of expectation there that most logic will be sketchy at best. This might make me susceptible to overlooking things that represent an actual inconsistency and aren't just badly connected dots.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Immaterial, this read is independent of meta.In post 505, Wisdom wrote:
quote games where i didnt do these as scumIn post 503, davesaz wrote:Wisdom: I would expect him to have a stated opinion and generate content on more than one player.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Your mistake is in assuming I expectIn post 511, Wisdom wrote:lol why do you expect me to do things if not because of metayouto do it. I expecttownto do it. Hence it's not a meta based read.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Nikk, do you prefer to question townreads, scumreads, or doesn't matter?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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This post either has an unfounded assumption or is missing a key conclusion.In post 519, Elsa Jay wrote:I feel like mafia informed Maki wouldnt bring up the option of mafia being informed about the millers. Seems stupid to even mention the possibility and fuck over your teammate claiming it.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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@Elsa Jay: Which way are you trying to argue, that Maki is mafia and informed, or not mafia?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I have more to add but want to see that answer first.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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What have you read?In post 528, Creature wrote:Did we get anything useful?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Here's what I mean by the wrong assumption / missing conclusion.In post 519, Elsa Jay wrote:I feel like mafia informed Maki wouldnt bring up the option of mafia being informed about the millers. Seems stupid to even mention the possibility and fuck over your teammate claiming it.
Maki, if Mafia, could bring up the miller thing if all of the claimed millers are town (unfounded assumption is that one or more miller is scum). This is true whether informed of the multiple millers or not. In fact this leads to a pretty strong missing conclusion that if Maki is mafia, the millers are much more likely to be all town. Not strong enough to consider anyone conf, but still pretty strong.
My opinion:
Maki, if Town, is absolutely correct to state that if mafia were informed of multiple millers then even the first miller claim is suspect. Since we don't know that mafia aren't informed, we can't consider any of the millers to be beyond suspicion based solely on the miller claim.
Here's why scum might push Maki as town for having the above correct suspicions.
Scum might push town!Maki if all of the millers are town, to try to force us to lynch Maki and a majority of the millers.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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If mafia doesn't have daytalk then 519 might be important to remember.
Pedit: Ooh, information lynch arguments.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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This irrefutable logic
means that Wisdom's only scumtell implies that he himself is a dumbtell.In post 545, davesaz wrote: Maki, if Town, is absolutely correct to state that if mafia were informed of multiple millers then even the first miller claim is suspect. Since we don't know that mafia aren't informed, we can't consider any of the millers to be beyond suspicion based solely on the miller claim.
Pedit: oh great, the talkative folk are out.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Alchemist, how much did you actually read?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Do you remember me asking you to post more than one liners, that include actual thoughts on the game? Similar concept.In post 631, Creature wrote:
I don't remember you ever playing like this.In post 449, davesaz wrote:I require Wisdom to give thoughts on more people.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I do see improvement btw.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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@alch: Did you catch the prevailing thoughts on Maki?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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529 was a followup post to my previous post. I have since seen the answer to the question in that previous post, and provided my followon thoughts.In post 640, Creature wrote:In post 528, Creature wrote:Did we get anything useful?In post 529, davesaz wrote:I have more to add but want to see that answer first.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Wisdom and others (I'm not tracking who else) are pushing Maki for speculating that mafia knew there were multiple millers.In post 643, Creature wrote:
Are we still talking about the millers?In post 545, davesaz wrote:Scum might push town!Maki if all of the millers are town, to try to force us to lynch Maki and a majority of the millers.
I'm refuting that by saying that it's absolutely the right thing for town to speculate that mafia knew. At worst it's not AI to post it.
Elsa Jay is saying Maki can't be scum and push that idea without endangering scum who claimed miller. This is either horrible logic or reveals that Elsa Jay is buddy to those scum. Or possibly scum without daytalk who are pissed at Maki because Elsa jokeclaimed miller as well and is therefore tainted by the idea that mafia are informed.
Nikk made similar analysis that I did for Elsa's logic, Elsa is pushing Nikk for "lynch listing" when to me it looked like followon logic on whom to suspect depending on Maki's flip.
Wisdom is calling everyone but Maki dumb. Or at minimum isn't saying much about reads.
Yes there are multiple players who aren't doing much. Wisdom is actively not doing much vs. others who are passively not doing much.
Alchemist says he read all that and got nothing from it. I find that really suspicious.
Pedit: Hands off on FA and mental state type posts. Seriously, just don't go there.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Hey, a Lady Angel post. Got any scumreads?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Clemency as an individual is higher signal ratio since 500ish post than before. There was other posting that bugged me shortly before my most recent post about talkative people.In post 721, Chara wrote:
i feel this, you were noise earlier but certainly not now. the last several pages are a lot but they've improved my read on you considerably.In post 712, Clemency wrote:^
i swear i'm getting a soft scumlean on anyone who tried to claim the past 10 pages or so were noise
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I tried to stay out of this question for the most part.In post 546, Elsa Jay wrote:Nikk, my question is to you why setting up a lynch order isn't scummy.
Two things. It isn't setting up a lynch order, and even if it were it's not scummy.
If A happens then X is scummy.
If B happens then Y and Z are scummy.
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Yeah, this exactly, and you're not even bringing up my posting during that period.In post 727, Nikk wrote:Anyone who says THAT is just noise is talking nonsense. Try again.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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If you're town, you need other town to take you seriously. Your voice has potential to be a lot more powerful than your one vote.In post 747, Clemency wrote:never make the mistake of thinking i'm not taking the game seriouslyWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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If Clemency and Elsa Jay were both scum, would they be confident enough to try to milk the mutual pocketing gag to explain whey they're together?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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More than what alternative?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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It is far more dangerous for town to conftown someone who doesn't deserve it, than it is to mislynch one person over another due to WIFOM.In post 760, Pink Ball wrote:@Alch: the difference between posting or not posting the posibility of the mafia knowing about the millers beforehand is that you are throwing WIFOM in the thread for town who could haven't thought about that posibility, and mess up legitimate reads because of that. It's like saying "you're townreading this slot for the wrong reason because you're not considering this", and I think that's more scum motivated than town motivated.
It is always better for town to consider possibilities and rule them out via explicitly reading people than it is to make assumptions and ignore slots.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Work started, so the unusually high posting volume from me will go down.
That's a lot of townreads. Are they all equal strength? I'm mostly interested in which the weakest few might be.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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In post 828, Alchemist21 wrote:
Why are you interested in the weakest Townreads?In post 819, davesaz wrote:Work started, so the unusually high posting volume from me will go down.
That's a lot of townreads. Are they all equal strength? I'm mostly interested in which the weakest few might be.
Too many townreads implies some of them are likely scum.In post 829, Alchemist21 wrote:Like that kinda looks like you’re looking to see where his weakest reads are to change his mind one way or the other rather than understand his strongest reads to try and better your read on him or work together with him.
Are those within the strong or weak townreads? Knowing that helps sort in general.
It doesn't actually matter whether I ask for strong or weak from the sorting Pink Ball perspective. The existence of a gradient is what matters.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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That VC along with the supposed miller claim almost has to mean that at least one of my strong reads is dead wrong, but I have no idea which one it is.In post 884, Boonskiies wrote:Votecount 1.4
Maki Harukawa (4): Wisdom, Pink Ball, Nikk, Firebringer
Nikk (3): Elsa Jay, Clemency, Maki Harukawa
Kaito Momota (2): Chara, Alchemist21
Wisdom (1): davesaz
Elsa Jay (1): sheepsaysmeep
Creature (1): Frozen Angel
Chara (1): Kaito Momota
Not Voting: Creature, Lady Angel
With 15 alive it’s 8 to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-14 08:51:00)Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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EBWOP mason claim.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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Pretend I'm a complete newb who thinks Maki is the towniest of the town.
Convince me I'm wrong, with actual explanations.
What I remember being mentioned is the "maybe Mafia know there are a lot of millers" thing, without much of an explanation of why only scum might think that.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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The post is borrowing from a technique I saw recently in a science fair judging guide, on how to get the entrant to explain their project.In post 945, Chara wrote: if you truly think she is incredibly towny (i don't think you are, though) that's cause for at least one raised eyebrow from me.
A couple variants are "explain it to me like I'm 5" or "like I'm your grandfather".
So yeah, the "incredibly towny" thing is a rhetorical device that doesn't necessarily match my actual read.
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On Lady Angel, Alchemist is much more likely to be scum than any of the others.In post 954, Gamma Emerald wrote: Lady Angel (4): Chara, sheepsaysmeep, Elsa Jay, Alchemist21
Maki Harukawa (4): Wisdom, Pink Ball, Nikk, Firebringer
Nikk (2): Clemency, Maki Harukawa
Wisdom (1): davesaz
Creature (1): Frozen Angel
Chara (1): Kaito Momota
Not Voting: Creature, Lady Angel
With 15 alive it’s 8 to lynch.
Deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-14 08:51:00)
On Maki, none of the voters are among my favorites for town, but they aren't especially scummy either. (my Wisdom vote is a failed attempt at behavior modification)
Creature is not the consistent presence I'd expect from him as town. The engaged=town meta is much too easy to fake and as soon as he learns how to do it effectively it will be useless.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord - davesaz
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