mini 2048: more songs (game ougre)

[Egix96]

VOTE: trivium

VOTE: trivium

This puts him at L-2. Those are two blind votes on a bandwagon that has no substance.

VOTE: xwing because that was the L-2, but still

FoS

ing Doughboy.

I can agree with this.

VOTE: xwing

[Egix96]

I am interested if the following players are interested in pushing the Trivium wagon through to a lynch:


2.Nikk
5.Wagonomics
6.Egix96
9.Robert2424

Why Trivium specifically? Because of last game, or for a different reason?

[Egix96]

I am interested if the following players are interested in pushing the Trivium wagon through to a lynch:


2.Nikk
5.Wagonomics
6.Egix96
9.Robert2424

Why Trivium specifically? Because of last game, or for a different reason?

what would the last game have to do with this game?

Exactly . I'll take it you had a different (and presumably more sensible) reason in mind then.

I am interested if the following players are interested in pushing the Trivium wagon through to a lynch:


2.Nikk
5.Wagonomics
6.Egix96
9.Robert2424

No, wagon was built too fast.

Ehh. Just because a wagon forms on someone very quickly, doesn't necessarily mean the person being wagoned is town.
Example I can cite: the beginning of Newbie 1893.

[Egix96]

Sorry mod, will make note. Whoaa lapsa's in this game?
VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

hahaha reason?

This post makes my skin crawl.

Like it’s one vote on you and you’re already asking about it, but also the hahaha makes it seem like you’re trying to subtly downplay the vote. It’s hypervigilance of standing with the rest of the players and subtle self-image posturing you see more in mafia than town.

Yeah, and along with this:

And can you explain to me how I've been scummy, please? I don't really seem to quite get it.

Really gives me that "Why me? Fry me!" vibe.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: GoldenParadox

[Egix96]

I'm keeping my vote where it is for now. I'm not feeling all that persuaded to change it back.

[Egix96]

I’ve been a cop in a Schadd game where it said no cops.

I’ll let you all think about that. I even got a guilty that got a scum lynched

Was it a Normal Game though?

[Egix96]

@Triv: What are you trying to show us with those quotes?

[Egix96]

Trivium: He's attacking multiple people with shallow and weak if not nonexistent arguments. However, his attack on me feels genuine. Neutral.
Flubber: His questions are genuine, and it seems like he's making an earnest effort. Townlean.
xwing: I've explained my read on him. Naked vote at the start, worse and worse "content" after that, none of which generated any good content. Feels very artificial. Scumread.
profii: Starts out with fluff and useless posting (see 35) but seems more towny and gives game advancing content that seems earnest. Townlean.
Sashaddin: not a lot of posting, but answering questions well and reads that are well thought out and make sense. Townlean.
Egix: seemed a bit eager to jump onto xwing wagon, and doesn't seem very earnest. I don't really see him making game advancing content.

(also I apologize if I made a pronoun error - I wasn't trying to if I did.)

Thing is, for all that's happened so far, there really hasn't been much stuff that I've felt like commenting on tbh.
I will try to post a bit more when I get the chance though.

[Egix96]

with we have till after christmas to get a lynch, and I am in no hurry to see anybody lynched and neither should anybody.

Problem is, it's likely that at least a few of us will be inactive around 25 Dec (I know I'll be) so IMO we should be ready to lynch someone by next weekend at the latest.

[Egix96]

@trivium I find you underwhelming

@trivium I find you underwhelming

Something we agree on.

Aw that's... that hurts.

Not the best response...

[Egix96]

Egix give me reads please

Okey dokey

Doughboy - Slight town lean
Nikk - No opinion yet
LolWagons - Lean town
Trivium - Slight town lean
Wagonomics - Needs to post more
Egix96 - Oh hey that's me
profii - Lean town
Sashaddin - No opinion yet
Robert2424 - Slight scum lean
xwing - Slight town lean/scum lean depending on my mood
TheGoldenParadox - Scum lean
Flubbernugget - No opinion yet
Lapsa - Slight scum lean

My current scumreads are similar to profii's admittedly.

[Egix96]

VOTE: robert
I am vehemently opposed to the TGP wagon

Why? Is there anyone on the wagon who's giving you the heebie jeebies?

[Egix96]

Just doing some ISO reads for the people I don't have opinions on yet...

Nikk

7 - "Normal day 1 probing" seems kinda redundant to say.

16 - Playing the newbie card...

68 - Seems like a towny thought process.

306 - Justification for vote seems good.

Overall: Early posts give me minor scum vibes but everything after that seems fine to me. Sliiiiight town lean.

[Egix96]

dude ain't half bad at this game

Can confirm.

[Egix96]

So that’s a nice list. Gut still saying town on Egix. I’ve been right about his flips so far even though I’ve had trouble articulating why.

Shhhhh. There is only Boba Tea.

[Egix96]

Sasha

66 - I find it strange that he feels the need to question something that's quite obviously a gimmick.

98 - Interesting observation IRT #56.

145 - "My vote would put to L-2 if I count well, so I will hold off for a bit." In my opinion there's a big difference between putting someone up to L-2 and putting them up to L-1. Seems a little bit hedgy.

224 - Okay, so #145 isn't entirely unjustified.

226 - Small number of reads, but at that stage of the game that's kinda understandable because listing too many reads can seem like TMI.

333 - Yeah, that Doughboy post looks towny to me too. It seems to have a good thought process.

Overall: Apart from #145 and maybe #66, nothing from Sasha seems particularly scummy to me. Willing to give him a town lean for now.

[Egix96]

Not sure what to make of Flubber's ISO actually... I'll just put him in my nullpile for now.

@lapsa: noted, I'll make sure to consider that if you turn out to be town.

@xwing: I'd be interested in your reasoning for your flubber read.

[Egix96]

^don't worry about it you'll be fine... hopefully

[Egix96]

Not sure what to make of Flubber's ISO actually... I'll just put him in my nullpile for now.

@lapsa: noted, I'll make sure to consider that if you turn out to be town.

@xwing: I'd be interested in your reasoning for your flubber read.

see my post 414, latter part..
lemme know if you need more..

@lolwagons: you'll be fine haha..

reason why im not too comfy with egix was mainly coz of the start..didnt like how he joined my wagon, then switched not soon after..unsure if im thinking too much into it..
i still like the fact that he delivered on his word though..
@egix can you expand on your scum leans the same way you expounded on your "no-opinion" slots too?

- Oh okay. The only problem with that reasoning is that it all falls apart if TGP flips town.
- I just reconsidered the situation and changed my mind. That's all I can really say tbh.
- It's getting late where I live so that will have to wait for another time.

[Egix96]

[snip]
Going to go with a SR on profii for trying to get himself on a wagon before it goes to a lynch. VOTE: profii

@lol, is this what you meant by the scumslip on post 430? i dont get what you're seeing here..

The only way it would be advantageous for Profii to be on his wagon as scum, is if TGP were to flip scum.

If TGP flips town, then how is it good for scum-Profii to be on the wagon?

And we know TGP is scumreading Profii because it’s right there in the post.

Yyyyeah that OMGUS from TGP is pretty yucky but you miiight be a teeny bit confbiased.

[Egix96]

*Confbiased in thinking it's a scumslip, that is.

[Egix96]

Ugh why did LW have to die?
I haven't looked at this game in a while (been busy w/ other stuff) but I'm just gonna
VOTE: Wagonomcs
for now.
No, the fact that he chose me specifically for his 'CFD' is irrelevant.

[Egix96]

Wait...
So profii hammered by mistake because he thought Lapsa was unvoting Nomics rather than Robert?
Fuuuuuuuuck
Profii, regardless of your alignment... please try and be more careful next time.

[Egix96]

Wait...
So profii hammered by mistake because he thought Lapsa was unvoting Nomics rather than Robert?
Fuuuuuuuuck
Profii, regardless of your alignment... please try and be more careful next time.

Yeah apologies to all - my bad

Why my alignment and not wagonomics though - which way is he going to flip?

Rolestopper seems like a weird choice for scum to fakeclaim.
I'll wait for the flip before saying anything else tho.

[Egix96]

Theres no more tprs so you can talk freely

*Sees N2 flip*


Does anyone else here think mastina could be an ascetic goon?

[Egix96]

Goon goon ascetic goon vs loyal neighbor and 1 shot rolestop + 2 shot bg + vts

Thats why I voted mastina

I really dont see how town ascetic would be balanced

HMMMMMM

VOTE: mastina

i'm annoyed with how the last day went..didnt even wait for everyone to have their say before the lynch when we had plenty of time to discuss..i thought we were in agreement that we were going to look at profii slot? how come it changed to wagonomics?
i dont buy the inattentive vote from profii..
also the scumslip from tgp is too glaring to pass..did no one else find it glaring?

lolwagons got killed coz of it

..
VOTE: profii

also, flubber NK highly suggests robert as scum, unless it's a frame-up job..
so my take is tgp-profii-robert scum team..

Bolded part seems a bit TMI-ish to me...
TGP voting xwing in early-game = possible distancing??

[Egix96]

But I doubt that is the last town PR

Interesting take. In the first Mini Normal I played (2045 aka Boba Tea Mafia) there were only three TPRs (a watcher, a backup watcher, and a 2-shot vig IIRC) so... yeah, make of that what you will.

[Egix96]

A loyal neighborizor is basically a cop so adding a ascetic role in means it balances it up for scum because we might have hit a false guilty

So I’m leaning Mastina town there

Oh that's a good point actually (I presume loyal = cannot neighborise scum?)

UNVOTE:

When I get the chance I'll reread the whole game and see how it makes me feel reads-wise.

[Egix96]

As of right now, between profii and Rob, I would rather lynch prof first. I actually think that Rob is town now... aaaarrrrrgh.

VOTE: profii

[Egix96]

Robert first please

Why?

[Egix96]

UNVOTE:

I've read mastina's argument and I agree with it. Even if Rob is a Town Voyeur, that role is still nt much use to us.

Intent to hammer on Robert

[Egix96]

*not much use
damn ipad keyboard

[Egix96]

Okay with this hammer.

Okey dokey then

VOTE: Robert2424

glgl

Have a nice evening everyone

[Egix96]

*Looks at remaining players*
Now this will be tough to figure out.

mastina - claims to be ascetic, so she is either an Ascetic Townie or scum. If the Ascetic Mafia Goon role is as OP as she claims it is, then (consider this) why would AsceticMG!mastina claim ascetic if that could risk her being outed at some point? In that case, if mastina is scum, I now think she's likely NOT ascetic and her ascetic claim is just lies.
Nikk - I was townreading him before, but the current gamestate has me in doubt on that.
Trivium - Claims to have been neighborised by flubbernugget. Not 100% confirmed town but he can be out of my PoE for the time being.

(pt 1)

[Egix96]

(pt 2, splitting this up cos typing on ipad is balls)

Egix - I am me, I am town.
Robert - Brain says he's scum, heart says he's town...
xwing - Still not sure what to make of this guy. No one has said all that much about them AFAIR, will have to read back.
Lapsa - Need to take a look at him today, but for now he can be my other main suspect alongside Robert.

[Egix96]

I claimed neighborized. There was no counterclaim. I cannot be scum without some serious shenanigans that I hoped we had already established were neigh impossible especially given this setup. At this point anyone who even acts suspicious of me I consider scummy, because I am a functional IC unless someone can give me a single reason why I'm not. Today is the day we get robert out of the way. There was scum in profii/robert. Profii was town. Robert is that scum.

Okay I get it, you're town. I'm just trying to evaluate where we go from here.

let me help you

VOTE: Lapsa

Uh.... what the heck? Not townreading you for this ftr.

[Egix96]

Yeah we should lynch Rob this Day. Should we take some time to discuss things first or just turbo?

pedit: 'Us'? I don't trust you.

[Egix96]

Also, you seem to be talking to me like you know I'm town.

[Egix96]

Also, you seem to be talking to me like you know I'm town.

that's a peculiar observation. how did you reach such conclusion?

Uh.... what the heck? Not townreading you for this ftr.

join us and win the game

To me that reads as, "Hello fellow townie, side with me and you'll win, this totally isn't a trick"

[Egix96]

Mastina, you realize I've wanted to lynch Lapsa from day 1? I tried to make it the primary wagon. Then 2 town joined in on it. I also hammered once I felt wagonomics wasn't going to commit to the Golden lynch.

So you willing to bet those legs yet Trivium. "This is the some of the most obvious scum". I'll bet you, and throw my arms in as well.

@Nikk, just let them quick lynch me then. When I flip scum, mastina and Lapsa got explaining to do. Mastina and Trivium are so sure that I'm scum that when I flip the minds will be blown.

"When I flip scum"
What the...

[Egix96]

intent to hammer

Haha no. I'm pretty sure you're his buddy despite all the distancing.

VOTE: Robert

No free towncred for you.

[Egix96]

Ohh, that sucks.

PSA: No one vote yet, this is LyLo (unless there's only one scum left, which I doubt)

[Egix96]

GTH Reads

Town

Me

Mastina

Nikk == xwing

Lapsa

Scum

[Egix96]

@egx you do realize I was referencing rob's scumreads, right?

Ah right, I must have misunderstood you there. BUT he was scumreading you so...?

[Egix96]

Mafia will be able to communicate with each other during day phases.

There will be 10 town and 3 mafia.

Nobody will be a cop, a psychologist, a ninja, or a traitor

.

@egix: see above..
@mastina: are you still gonna push me as scum and help the scum team? do you want a rebuttal on this? i still want to believe you're town, and expert on setup spec, but apparently your scum!voyeur was wrong..

Okay, so the setup was 10v3 to start with... I honestly didn't notice that part before.

You say you still want to believe that mastina is town, so FYPOV your suspects should be Lapsa, Nikk, and me. How would you rank them?

[Egix96]

I'm a Vanilla Townie.

[Egix96]

dang it mastina!

also, im feeling like this game's doomed for town..

@lapsa, @egix, what does your scum pool look like?

I'm about 80% confident that Lapsa is scum. If he is, his buddy is probably Nikk, but I want to have a reread of the game before I lock anything in.

I don't think the game is "doomed" though. There's always a way out.

[Egix96]

Finally getting around to my planned reread... sorry about having procrastinated on this for so long, but here we are.

7 - Makes Nikk/xwing team look less likely.

15, 16 - Mutual distancing? "Dialing in on newbie to try for easy lynch. Scum." = TMI?

24 - Looks good for xwing. To me this looks like scum!TGP moving his distancing vote off his buddy. FoS on Dough (mastina slot) is also noteworthy.

29 - Not the best look.

60 - xwing voting TGP here also looks good for him.

71 - Did we remember this? Seems not...

81, 82 - More wise words from LW?

89 - Good look for xwing IF Lapsa is scum.

112, 115 - Ditto from previous note.

119, 120 - The hypocrisy from Lapsa is real.

154, 155 - Oh, well now. If Nikk had voted Lapsa first, this would have looked a lot worse for him.

165 - Based on my prior experience with Doughboy, I'm inclined to think that this is simply him being wrong rather than avoiding voting his buddy.

194, 195 - Distancing from TGP? Notice that Nikk doesn't seem fully committed to it.

200 - Seems kinda waffly.

226 - Could this be a possible reason why Sasha was killed?

227, 228 - Lapsa claims not to understand Nikk voting him, but Lapsa chooses to vote xwing? He still does FoS Nikk though.

241 - I wouldn't read too much into this, TGP probably knew he was on course to be lynched so he would have been careful not to spew. He does scumlean both Nikk and Lapsa though, which is interesting.

244 - Notice that xwing is listed as a scumread rather than a scumlean. He does townlean nearly all the known townies so far though. Could that mean the Doughboy slot is town as well? IDK.

All right, that's pages 1-10 done. I need a break.

[Egix96]

@egx what do you think about gp and nikk slots?

I think the interaction between them in posts 15+16 could easily be SvS.

Reread part 2 starting now.

[Egix96]

Reread continued...

259 - I don't think this spews Doughboy either way, it's not a lot to go on.

280 - Ah, so the interaction went on a bit further. Looks a bit better for DB.

306 - BOOM there it is! "I still would like to put pressure on lapsa next day phase" - does this mean he was always planning to bus/distance?

316 - One on, one off?

322 - The shade-throwing right there...

333 - Another good read Sasha might have had?

344 - Response to Sasha seems towny IMO.

372 - Strange question to ask.

380 - "this active recruiting of people onto lapsa or away from TGP will tell alot if TGP flips scum" Hmm, I don't really think it did.

385 - Sasha being killed before Trivium seems to point to Lapsa being scum because of this. Then again, NKA is full of WIFOM so it's not definitive.

402 - "But if TGP flips scum I don't think Lapsa is scum" Bear in mind, this was before profii and Robert were both flipped.

423 - Distancing?

430 - "Xwing is looking better in my eyes. Looking less like a fake and more earnest town" I think this might be spewing xwing town, but I can't be 100% sure of that.

447 - I don't like the look of this post, it feels like scum!Nikk setting up for a profii mislynch.

518 - Gah, we totally fell for this.

540 - Yay, more antispew.

592 - Final lynch wagon: town, town, town, town??, scum??, town, town.

TLDR: Doughboy (later replaced by mastina) and xwing both look good from day 1 interactions. I still think the remaining scums are Nikk and Lapsa.

[Egix96]

Hoo boy that was a lot to get through.
Not gonna bother with D2 onward, it's too much work.

[Egix96]

uhhh lapsa, not helping..
it would be helpful if you just straight up answered questions directed at you, and scumhunt..
if you're town i feel like you're not helping your case atm..

who's the two scum for you?

If you think Lapsa is scum, why ask him to scumhunt?
Now I'm starting to get vibes that xwing is scum instead of Lapsa and is pushing for the mislynch he needs to win.

[Egix96]

uhhh lapsa, not helping..
it would be helpful if you just straight up answered questions directed at you, and scumhunt..
if you're town i feel like you're not helping your case atm..

who's the two scum for you?

If you think Lapsa is scum, why ask him to scumhunt?
Now I'm starting to get vibes that xwing is scum instead of Lapsa and is pushing for the mislynch he needs to win.

simply coz im not sure who among you 3 are scum..the one who best scum hunts would most likely be town..
this is lazy ass reasoning, egix..anything substantial you'd like to add on the table?
lapsa, your "survival schit" looks even more like scum than town..
stop using mastina cover and AtoE and say your piece..
nikk, your absence is extremely suspicious..

There's also the fact that mastina pointed out the possibility of TGP being bussed by both of his buddies, which FMPOV makes the scumteam you+Nikk in that case.
I've already put forward my case for a Nikk+Lapsa scumteam. To be fair it is based on a D1 reread and confbias is hard to avoid, but at this point I'm mainly waiting for Nikk to go ahead and vote, as I believe he said he was going to.

And yes, I also find his "absence" to be suspicious, as you put it.

[Egix96]

what makes me scummy, egix, aside from mastina's VCA?
why is his absence in double quotes? what are you implying?

- I've pointed out what I didn't like about your post 990. If you're scum, to me that looks like your mask slipping off.

- I put quote marks around that word because it's the same word that you used. I was quoting you.

[Egix96]

@egix, @nikk, what do you think of mastina's 1016?

The main problem with it is that FMPOV it doesn't get us much closer to solving the game, since I already have Nikk as scum. It does help to settle my paranoia of you being scum instead of Lapsa though.

I realise that you're probably not going to read this until after the weekend, but hopefully by that time mastina should have an idea in mind of how we should go about voting.

[Egix96]

A series of posts that make me want to vote x wing. To me they give off a vibe of bussing scum, someone who knows already what Paradox would flip.

I haven't yet examined everything inside that spoiler box (kinda busy atm) but there are two things I noticed that give me conflicting messages...

I don't like that lol's talking about why they might be left alive tonight already, but whatever

i can get why you find this icky, but at this point just put it under "noted" section..lolwagon's too far from the global scummy list..

that said,

tgp claim makes me think he might actually really be town

..my next scum would be profii too anyway though so should still be fine, i guess..

-snip-

The part I've bolded here is a towny response IMO. I'm thinking scum!xwing would have kept pushing TGP if he knew the claim was false.

-snip-

i think flubber might actually be town..if gp is scum, this kind of statement would put flubber in hot water, so i dont think a scum buddy would do this..doesnt clear gp slot though..

gp, please come in and let us know your thoughts..

This, though, could be interpreted as TMI.

[Egix96]

I think he waffled between pushing people based on ParadoxFlip and trying to pull a subtle save.

Riiiight I getcha.
Problem is, a world where xwing is scum and you are town doesn't really make sense to me, so...

[Egix96]

Dammit, another LyLo loss. At least it wasn't me who made a wrong vote this time!
Well played though mastina, you had me fooled. Yep, I put one of the scums as my top town again
I was bloomin' right about Lapsa though.