In post 33, Almost Chara wrote:In post 31, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh I misread post 25
That could still be fucky if that’s not a town majority though
So, do you think we should declare whom we're voting or do you think we shouldn't??
Also, someone who will remain unmentioned didn't read the special mechanics section. (Hint: It's DVa, but don't tell her I said that).
In post 2, Boonskiies wrote:()_+_) Game Specific Mechanics ()_+_)
• As always, every BooneyToonz game will follow the BooneyToonz Guidelines, which there is a link to the Discussion page down below in the Guidelines.[/area]
In post 83, Almost Chara wrote:RCE: Ignore tw & EJ. You do indeed have that power already. Just post your role PM in here and VOILA. You're mod-killed.
Nancy Drew 39
Vanilla Town
Aligned with Town
Nancy Drew in the detective book series didn't need any special powers to solve crimes - all she needed was the powers of her mind, thinking on her feet, and talking her way out of sticky situations. We believe you've got that toolkit without a role.
You will win when you have eliminated all threats to the Town.
In post 97, DrewVa wrote:RCE is so easy to troll.![]()
That wasn’t even my role PM. I can post a comparible one with Creature’s name in it too.
Creature
Town Motivator
Aligned with Town
You barely post as mafia, so when you rand town, you have lots of WIM. With your town energy, you are able to motivate someone every night to have two uses of a single night action on the following night. If your target has multiple night actions, you will randomly motivate one of them. The player receiving your motivation will be informed that they have been motivated at the end of the night phase that you target them.
You will win when you have eliminated all threats to town.
In post 99, RCEnigma wrote:I'm aware it's not your role pm, however it wouldn't make sense to only add half of the town win condition. Ergo I'm under the impression you weren't aware of that portion of the town win condition.
In post 107, RCEnigma wrote:I accused Elsa of nothing. I accused Drewva of being scum.
I'm not an alt or Hydra of RC.....yet.
In post 129, RCEnigma wrote:In post 109, DrewVa wrote:In post 107, RCEnigma wrote:I accused Elsa of nothing. I accused Drewva of being scum.
I'm not an alt or Hydra of RC.....yet.
Because I posted a role PM from a game, that I wasn’t even in?
I think you’re either scum here or lack a sense of humour. Which would be shocking coming from an Austin Powers’ fan.
Not the point. There is a reason this is a dumb push but until Nancy concludes why, my stance will stay the same.
In post 147, RCEnigma wrote::facepalm: you didn't realize till FL pointed it out.
To be fair I forgot about the sample rolecard
In post 151, RCEnigma wrote:I would assume scum also has that part in their wincon which made it pointless once I realized that.
But it could have made someone sweat if town had like a wincon addition that scum wouldn't have knowledge if. Or they at least thought so.
In post 154, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
And if there’s an SK in the setup, they are just as likely to have read the sample role PM as not.
So, if town wins with all anti-town dead and 1 townie alive, then scum I assume, would win with the exact opposite wincon.
In post 156, BrightEyedFish wrote:
What do you mean with "if"?
In post 161, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 157, DrewVa wrote:In post 156, BrightEyedFish wrote:
What do you mean with "if"?
???
What part of that do you not understand?
Why did you use the word "If" as if you are just guessing what a Town Role PM says.
In post 179, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 176, Almost Chara wrote:if doesn't imply uncertainty by itself, and there's a sample town role PM in the opening posts.
further, the colloquial definition of "talk" includes written communication, because no one actually says "we're typing at each other in this mafia thread". ;>
~Chara
Ok you're right... on the 2nd point.
But I don't think someone who is town writes IF there. You don't have to see this IF as damning as I do, but don't forget it later on.
The devil is in people who can’t fucking read ENTIRE SENTENCES.
In post 182, RCEnigma wrote:In post 173, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 160, RCEnigma wrote:In post 158, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 48, Elsa Jay wrote:The Last Knight wrote:Even if I were a mercenary, at least I'd be trusted to do my job. A Remote Controlled Enigma, on the other hand, is a very scummy monicker.RCEnigma wrote:A cypher impossible to crack is invaluable.
I would argue much more than a sword to the highest bidder.
I'm just a Snow Queen from a time when books and documents are what we use. Having "remote-controlled" anything is unwarranted since it doesn't exist.
I believe I'll take the Knight/Mercenary.
I’m 100% Berserker.
Mafia// Stay Night confirmed?
I was thinking Fire Emblem but okey
Oh, dibs on Wyvern rider then.
In post 192, Almost Chara wrote:so it's something town doesn't do, but also something scum does do to subtly look town?
that's two assumptions you've made, you'll need some evidence for both to satisfy occam's razor.
In post 189, RCEnigma wrote:In post 184, DrewVa wrote:In post 182, RCEnigma wrote:In post 173, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 160, RCEnigma wrote:In post 158, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 48, Elsa Jay wrote:The Last Knight wrote:Even if I were a mercenary, at least I'd be trusted to do my job. A Remote Controlled Enigma, on the other hand, is a very scummy monicker.RCEnigma wrote:A cypher impossible to crack is invaluable.
I would argue much more than a sword to the highest bidder.
I'm just a Snow Queen from a time when books and documents are what we use. Having "remote-controlled" anything is unwarranted since it doesn't exist.
I believe I'll take the Knight/Mercenary.
I’m 100% Berserker.
Mafia// Stay Night confirmed?
I was thinking Fire Emblem but okey
Oh, dibs on Wyvern rider then.
I feel I’m at a disadvantage, having never played this game before. :/
Play sacred stone on a gba emulator. It's a banger.
In post 195, Almost Chara wrote:In post 128, Ramcius wrote:so it started...
A50, are you scum? Tell me, so i can ignore you for the rest of the game
@Mod does sk counts as multiball?
SK does not count as Multiball.
he's scum, but i'm town and he promised to help me this game. so you can listen to him.
it's certainly better than listening to me!
bye for now! i have things to do.
fishy is probably town for that last post, too. at least enough to say so early game.
~Chara
In post 188, Almost Chara wrote:
this is what a townslip looks like.
are you aware there's a sample role PM to quote?
~Chara
In post 187, Almost Chara wrote:you can also switch "if" with "given that".
and look at that, the two phrases are synonyms. how peculiar! it's almost as if... the if implies a conditional, one that's being used as evidence for a conclusion.
if you boil water, it evaporates! i say, pointing at my pot of boiling water.
but, you reply, why did you say "if"? as though you're unsure if the water has boiled!
...anyway, could we move on?
and to use a pragmatic instead of semantic argument, why on earth would a mafia member be musing about possible scum wincons while not being sure of the town wincon?
In post 199, Almost Chara wrote:i didn't have any clue what Sacred Stones was either, but i just googled it. it's a very useful site, that google.
In post 214, Karmeleon wrote:In post 30, DrewVa wrote:OK, we're part of a 4-man mason block with Cheeky Dancer, Gamma Emerald, and Karmeleon. We're all bulletproof savants who have night 0 guilties on Elsa Jay and Emperors New Groove. No need to evaluate the likelihood of this claim, just sheep for easy win
VOTE: Emperors New Groove
-D
In post 404, Gamma Emerald wrote:@DVa I’m probably that guy that is totally a jerk about distrusting Karmeleon because he’s a suave charmer (translation: I have a gut suspicion he’s scum)
In post 407, Boonskiies wrote:While I agree, it “technically” isn’t. If you look at the wiki, it specifically says only groupscum count regarding Multiball. But yeah, that’s why I chose to just confirm that. I think I’ll change the Checklist to something that better differentiates.
In post 413, Nero Cain wrote:In post 314, Nev and Max wrote:In post 311, Nero Cain wrote:If there's not a good reason to scumread me then I'm town.
I feel like thats not how that works. Scum would be sure to avoid looking like scum at this point and would be acting as stereotypically town as possible. If there isn't a reason to scum read you it just means you are null and have yet to do anything real.
I'm being slightly facetious here though very rarely is there a halfway decent case on me when I'm town.
how is that scummy at all?
???In post 409, DrewVa wrote:I haven’t seen town!Nero yet in this game.
I'll be conftown when we flip RCE.
In post 421, Nero Cain wrote:So ok, I fake daykilled him b/c I was annoyed at him and Else trolling and bloating this thread. That alone is antitown/scummy but then I felt like RCE's threat/promise to ignore me was scummy. Like I can't go into details b/c both our games are ongoing but I have an excellent track record of reading him and I could see scum RCE intentionally not wanting to be in an argument with me.
In post 422, Ramcius wrote:
i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?
In post 428, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Please do and while Dva is at it:In post 405, DrewVa wrote:Potential normalscum
Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer) -- refusing the masonblock has me very concerned actually LOL
1. How is this AI?
2. What do you make of the two heads of our hydra having different reactions to this?
In post 424, Cheeky Dancer wrote:DrewVa why aren't you voting or pushing us if we're your only "normalscum" read?
~ C
In post 435, CheekyTeeky wrote:Mathematically certain = Probability. I get that but don't really see how you're sorting anyone. It's like labels for label sake. I'm more concerned with a scumread on my slot that has posted barely anything AI, over those with content. Are your reads activity based? Because that's pretty bs.
In post 433, Nero Cain wrote:BTW Nacy, why were u town reading RCE?
In post 444, Ramcius wrote:In post 426, DrewVa wrote:In post 422, Ramcius wrote:
i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?
What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?
But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?
I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.
In post 457, Thanos wrote:In post 453, Cheeky Dancer wrote:If I wanted to evaluate your ISO I would have. I'm asking fir a live interaction. You should be flattered I'm willing to dance with you. Cha cha?
I think that's a bit lazy since he mentioned his thoughts on RCE the *previous page*, I'm liking Nero in this exchange.
Given his agreement on BEF, too - I'll throw him into my townpool as well. :3
~Auro
In post 459, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Yeah Nero is now lockscum. The last time someone used the buzzwords argument and refused to interact they weren't town. Glgl.
~ C
In post 462, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 457, Thanos wrote:In post 453, Cheeky Dancer wrote:If I wanted to evaluate your ISO I would have. I'm asking fir a live interaction. You should be flattered I'm willing to dance with you. Cha cha?
I think that's a bit lazy since he mentioned his thoughts on RCE the *previous page*, I'm liking Nero in this exchange.
Given his agreement on BEF, too - I'll throw him into my townpool as well. :3
~Auro
Careful you'll run out of people to townread at the rate you're going
~ C
In post 468, profii wrote:Nah he ups his salty game when he is scum
In post 470, profii wrote:Just look at the posts from him on this page as a good example- I’ve seen his town and scum game - he doesn’t bother like getting quite as irate when he is town
Idk it’s hard to put into exact examples but I’m happy to vote there right now
In post 500, Xtoxm wrote:Alonzo wanting to end the day early is a little suspect.Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.
In post 522, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 520, The Last Knight wrote:I don't mind the day ending early as long as those who have the power to end the day all take the time to add to the discussion. But this game is still cresting dawn...
Agreed. Taking too long of a day phase is a bad thing.
@Drewva I rejected that mason block you formed because it brought back awful memories of Nauci's game, where FL fake claimed Mason with Creature. And surprise surprise, 1 of those 2 were actually scum. Scum ended up winning that game.
I like nero for town due to his elaboration on the multiball aspect. The way he elaborated on that seemed genuine. But Nero, why is RCE scum?
~ P
Hmm, interesting. I don’t recall this game or this FL fellow. I’ll have to take a look.
In post 540, Alonzo wrote:Nev might be town, still not sure about Max
In post 542, Nev and Max wrote:In post 499, Ramcius wrote:In post 498, Elsa Jay wrote:He's doing better then the other AFK crew that can end the day. Don't grill him for wanting the game to go forward.
oh, i won't, once we agree to your lynch
but as we are now, we have no consensus on lynch, we barely have discussion and your friend here is trying end day without making any effort to find scum, so I feel like I have every right to grill him for it
I kinda dislike saying this, but I agree with the bolded part. Page 30 seems like an arbitrary number pulled out of an ass somewhere. Guy doesnt know where we are as a gamestate yet, and he is saying hes going to stop it in 8 pages (if he gets support from his othe r3) so he can catch up? Seems like an easy way to have all 5 scum votes on one unsuspecting player while the rest of us have our votes scattered and ultimately wasted.
In post 593, Xtoxm wrote:In post 590, Something_Smart wrote:It's almost certainly a bad idea to end the day this early.
But it would be very interesting to see where everyone puts their vote when they don't think anybody's watching.
No it wouldn't
Half the town would be caught by surprise not voting and there would be a low threshold plurality lynch
Town should literally never vote to end day except in niche situations like guiltys
In post 614, Nero Cain wrote:In post 534, DrewVa wrote:I thought he was genuinely attempting to sort us with the whole role PM thing but I’m not familiar with his scum meta, so I suppose it could still possibly be scum being LAMIST
Did he vote you for this?In post 522, Cheeky Dancer wrote:But Nero, why is RCE scum?In post 421, Nero Cain wrote:So ok, I fake daykilled him b/c I was annoyed at him and Else trolling and bloating this thread. That alone is antitown/scummy but then I felt like RCE's threat/promise to ignore me was scummy. Like I can't go into details b/c both our games are ongoing but I have an excellent track record of reading him and I could see scum RCE intentionally not wanting to be in an argument with me.In post 540, Alonzo wrote:Nev might be town, still not sure about Max
I laughed.In post 559, DrewVa wrote:Interesting. You townread Nero and you’re partner is calling him, “lockscum”?
back in the days hydra dis was considered a scum tell. I miss the old days.In post 573, Ultimate Liars wrote:Nero is probably town, he annoys me way too much in every game I'm in with him to let that make him a scumread.
hey, fuck you.In post 575, RCEnigma wrote:Why would having all the scum hard claim day 1 be an issue exactly?
this feels pretty misreppy.In post 583, Elsa Jay wrote:Lets get this game going and lynch a fool before Christmas, K?
y so eager for a lynch?
In post 643, Thanos wrote:In post 641, DrewVa wrote:That is definitely extreme for a hydra to be that divergent on a read. I know I am far more likely to see this kind of weirdness in scum teammates than from hydras.
I don't think so, Lam disagrees with me about Ultimate Liars.
I'm taking them out of my town pool, I'll let her explain why she thinks they might be scum.
~A
In post 648, Nero Cain wrote:Hey Nancy, I have a question for you. In that game where you were scum (heros right) Did you initiate the townblock or did someone else started the town block?
In post 684, Thanos wrote:
Why would your partner need to tell you something like that? Locked out lf your own confessional?
In post 686, profii wrote:
This thread says the people "JUST" have to vote to end the day. I assume they don't know who we are all voting for
i.e. they can't say like, "between the 4 of us we can see profii is the leading wagon rn and he would be a good lynch so lets end the day"
some people are assuming that Alonzo VC was legit and I don't know if that's because they weren't on it so don't know any better or are they just playing along with random hypothetical scenarios
:S
In post 692, Ramcius wrote:that VC was obvious joke, but even then i said it was wrong, so one would expect people not to take it serious. Thus it makes me wonder, do scum try mud waters with it or people just don't actually read this thread
In post 695, mcqueen wrote:In post 638, Cheeky Dancer wrote:I'm wondering why the Nero/Cheeky chacha was the only thing that really seemed to catch mcqueen's eye/thing he commented on in ~26 pages
~ CIn post 586, Something_Smart wrote:In post 405, DrewVa wrote:Something_Smart -- does something_smart not like rolling scum?
I hate rolling scum but I don't post less
I've had an extremely busy last few days, this game started at a terrible time for me. I'm catching up now.
I will say though, as I'm catching up, I'm having a hard time finding things that feel worthwhile to talk about. Maybe it's the lack of public votes but from the few pages I've looked at just now, it feels like people are just talking each other in circles.
I saw a lot of people were jumping on RCE and a few others. Definitely worth an ISO, but I didn't see anything that gave me hard scum vibes from him or anyone else atm.
I wanted to clear you up as town despite your awful accusation of Nero. If I'm giving out townreads, that's catching scum by PoE.
In post 710, mcqueen wrote:In post 706, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Mcqueen I answered his question before saying that in a smart ass way. Why? Well because getting emotional reactions is my way of reading people.
Second I didn't expect him to see it my way hence I said nice straw man - also at no point did I call RCE town, like you I considered him null but Nero's read on him looked opportunistic as I saw no scumminess in his reaction. That interaction between Nero/RCE read like RCE could have reacted to Nero's dayvig in any way and Nero would still scumread him for it.
Of course we have our own opinions, that's what the point of communicating is - to figure out what another is thinking and why - instead he turns it into a "I don't have to think the same as you" argument which is completely besides the point.
~ C
I'm sorry I missed that. It does put a little doubt in my Nero read, though... (unless I'm reading this wrong, too, he asks how it's scummy then calls RCE scummy later)
Overall still think he's town, but it's good to keep and possibly look back on
In post 754, Elsa Jay wrote:Xtoxm is a no-go, so unless you and McQueen vote to end the day, everyone is gonna disappear for Christmas and scum have an easy excuse to change their votes before the 28th.
In post 769, Ramcius wrote:Jut a reminder to read thread, folks, - Boon said votes will come with timestamps
Also, we have a whole week till Christmas, why panic now?
In post 808, Nev and Max wrote:In post 780, DrewVa wrote:
Wow, Alonzo wants to A) end the day early. B) Lynch 2 of my townreads.
@DVa, I think Alonzo could possibly be scum here.
I would say hold up on that read, but the juxtaposition of Lonzo voting to end the day while making no effort to read and act accordingly in thread kinda leads me down the lonzo scum path.
Are you seeing more than the end day and bad reads?
In post 814, Alonzo wrote:Gamma, Elsa, Drewva, Max n Ned and Ultimate Lurkers are fine Lynches for today.
Change my mind.
In post 817, Alonzo wrote:In post 795, profii wrote:Alonzo - have your peers said much about ending the day or not? Are they waiting for anything in particular to happen?
I think they are a lil dissapointed that I have not carried town like I did in the last boonskiies.
No way Max n Nev 'are going down a scummy path with Lonzo without having it out with me first. Very unlikely Town Fish.
Gamma is scum I know it.
Elsa sprung into action attempting to push me after I became active, not sure I was even on their radar before hand.
Il give Drew time to save Nancy
Ultimate Lurkers is the only slot out here playing worse than me.
Re End of Day.
I dont see how telegraphing 1/3 of the votes required to End the day well in advance is scummy, and I simply dont have the data on my phone to play the sniff the fart mafia alot of these players like to play for 100 pages a day everyday. Simple.
In post 841, Elsa Jay wrote:It is when I'm a townie, which means by default you are either scum going for a mislynch on someone who seems easy to kill or a townie who doesn't have their priorities straight.
In post 842, Thanos wrote:In post 805, Formerfish wrote:In post 774, BrightEyedFish wrote:In post 770, RCEnigma wrote:
Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.
To be honest, I do feel excitement every time Elsa mentions me in a post regardless if it's an insult. There's something there. I feel like Elsa wants to hate me but just can't. Elsa has this conceal--don't feel mentality when it comes to me. He can't just turn away and slam the door though. Perhaps, he should test the limits and break through and win this game with me us town.
Jesus Christ, we get it, just let it go man. Let it go.
Whose mans is this?
In post 851, Ramcius wrote:Lynching random person and having short D1 is bad
Lynching you will give info, you have quite a bit of interactions and it will reduce pool for scum to hide
In post 873, Almost Chara wrote:Has Chara been doing anything productive of late? If nor, I suggest we almost lynch their slot.
In post 887, The Last Knight wrote:Why do you want to vote ENG? (ironic, I know, since I RVS'd them)
In post 912, RCEnigma wrote:In post 884, The Last Knight wrote:In post 88, RCEnigma wrote:Hmm, I have reason to believe drewva pulled scum.In post 89, RCEnigma wrote:Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.
This is RCE scum reading DrewVa based on a quote from a different game. RCE based this off of a rule slip only scum would know.
And then claimed not to have read the rules to begin with. Could be playing coy, but it seems like a tonal slip to me.In post 371, RCEnigma wrote:I'm not scumreading drewva. I'm semi-content with what I got out of it. I like Bef pushing there even if it was based on miscommunication. They are both just town here Imo.
Now, unless this is based on a discussion about the ruleslip in question, RCEnigma abandons the DrewVa non-town read with little clarification. Please expand on this if you like, but in your ISO I was unable to find good reason for this change in allegiance.In post 380, RCEnigma wrote:No it's a combination of the omgus read, presenting scumreads on myself and bef as serious reads then backing off when Bef gained support (or at least townreads), and then reverting back to "none of that is serious I'm still RVSing".
It all wreaks of cautious scum and I'm calling back on it.
This is RCEnigma accusing me of what I identified above as a very similar series of actions. Either he is a hypocrite or is scum himself.
I have already explained why I changed views on BEF (me not liking the semantic approach but also finding it too specific to be fake). Would you mind going into detail as to why you read me as scum other than your own "omgus" argument against me?In post 667, RCEnigma wrote:In post 664, Nero Cain wrote:I had wanted to talk about something that I felt was semi-important but I forgot earlier so here we go.
I don't think Alonzo is necessarily scummy for wanting to end the day @ p30. Like, he seems genuine that he's just behind but the stopping the thread a little prematurely is nearsighted.
I think artificially extending the day beyond useful discussion is p anti-town but as long as it's fruitful it's not much of a big deal. I think the strength of this mechanic is that we can vote the scum without them knowing we are voting them...unless we say so. The only minor drawback is we can't really coordinate a lynch. I could do unofficial vote counts if we wanted to do them or we could just vote whomever in our threads and just see how that works.
I agree with this actually. I know I'm going to get scumread for saying we should use day 1 as a test day. I think in regards to how we want to handle votes/votecounts it should be a test day.
And then this statement basically agrees with all of my own points about who I have decided to vote for so far.
Now, don't go saying that me defending myself is inherently scummy here...
How is it a slip only scum would know if it was based on towns wincon?
Sure not reading the rules is a tonal slip, whatever that is.
Bef pushing got drewva to town tell when my approach couldn't. Why is that still an issue you for you 20+ pages later?
Based on the 1 post since the last time I gave the read, to which you only responded to one part of the read conveniently. Sure when I've got a bit of time.
The misrepping is still present.
In post 924, The Last Knight wrote:Okay. But why don't you just post it? I'm just doing it to keep track for the rest of us townies. This is helpful for anyone who has decided to be open with their vote. Anyone at all, really. Don't get mad at me if you have also decided not add to the list.
Frankly, I found only that Ramcius wanted you dead but never felt that he wanted to vote for you.
In post 925, The Last Knight wrote:Not today, anyway.Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.
In post 956, The Last Knight wrote:
I had similar thoughts on page 1. Funny coincidence that it was the same person.In post 955, DrewVa wrote:In post 924, The Last Knight wrote:Okay. But why don't you just post it? I'm just doing it to keep track for the rest of us townies. This is helpful for anyone who has decided to be open with their vote. Anyone at all, really. Don't get mad at me if you have also decided not add to the list.
Frankly, I found only that Ramcius wanted you dead but never felt that he wanted to vote for you.In post 925, The Last Knight wrote:Not today, anyway.Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.
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And you don’t find this scummy at all? Why not?
Are you referring to Ramcius wanting Elsa dead? I don't think that means either of them is scum. I don't think Elsa is a good scum read anyway. I need to get a better read on Ramcius right now. Could go either way.
In post 974, Elsa Jay wrote:You sound very fun at parties.
In post 971, Ramcius wrote:In post 969, Elsa Jay wrote:In post 963, Ramcius wrote:I stopped, because I felt Elsa might be really bad town, I don't think scum would admit to not try to progress game and on top hindering our progress with 2 "for fun" scumreads on BEF and Alonso.
You truly underestimate my scum range if you think I couldn't do that as scum.
you see, there is difference between "might be town" and "is town"
also, I specifically said I want you dead, just to be sure
P. S. I don't care about feelings, you can ask Gamma or Nero, they have played with me quite a few times
In post 1001, davesaz wrote:I have an active dislike for incessant posting of pictures and videos. Especially when they seem to be intended to convey meaning -- for me they don't even when it might be obvious to most people. I never play videos in particular and wish it were possible to have the browser not show or download them at all. Though that would result in more than a few posts that look empty.
Despite that, DrewVa is a townlean. Ultimate Liars is a scumlean. Karmeleon townlean. Nero townlean.
Keeping track of things is still a pain without in-thread voting, you don't get the flow info. I'm worried that town will have too little info to go on.
In post 1005, Elsa Jay wrote:
My reasoning is Ramcius fits the category of "asshole townie" while TLK is just scummy. Just reading his responses scream "I hate this shit town why am I apart of it". Still could be scum, but it's more lilely for TLK to flip scum here.
In post 1010, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 878, Karmeleon wrote:Is it just me or the last four pages have absolutely no reads?
You're not the only one thinking that. I've been struggling to get reads on people. So far on pg 37 and had nero & mcqueen still as town .In post 917, Almost Chara wrote:Trying to catch up.. doing some ISO skimming.. who is Formerfish??
~The older head (but not necessarily the wiser)
Formerfish is a somewhat belligerent player who frequented newbie queue and still did, last time I saw. His scum & town meta was somewhat obvious when seen. For some reason I keep thinking ram is formerfish .
In post 1015, davesaz wrote:In post 976, DrewVa wrote:Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.
Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.
In post 1024, The Last Knight wrote:C'mon guys, you don't want to vote to lynch me... Not if you're town anyway. Scum can vote for me all they want. Careful of that hammer!
But I will continue to update this unofficial VC as the votes come in. And others should feel free to do so, if they so desire.
In post 1031, Ramcius wrote:In post 1025, DrewVa wrote:In post 1015, davesaz wrote:In post 976, DrewVa wrote:Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.
Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.
Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.
Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum
In post 1032, davesaz wrote:To be clear, I'm no fan of Ram's trajectory after that, but thought that post scored some points so want to see if it's been included or ignored in favor of what came later, and why.
In post 1047, Ramcius wrote:
He already voted to end day, so he have no more power
Disliked before, dislike even more now as i'm becoming his counterwagon
In post 1059, Nero Cain wrote:lets lynch in
2. Ultimate Liars (Kokichi /Hebichan)
8. Cheeky Dancer (CheekyTeeky/Performer)
9. Theta Alpine
10. Elsa Jay
17. Ramcius
19. Emperor flippyNips
21. Emperors New Groove
22. RCEnigma
In post 1067, profii wrote:
i thought if we hit deadline then most votes = lynch
or if the reps vote to end day, same again, most votes goes
we dont have to form a majority i dont think so someone basically is going for sure
In post 1069, Nero Cain wrote:have any of those slots done anything?
In post 1074, Ramcius wrote:
I tried, 70 pages to read in less than 24h (36/18 17p game), replaced out and never looked back
In post 1075, profii wrote:In post 1072, DrewVa wrote:In post 1067, profii wrote:
i thought if we hit deadline then most votes = lynch
or if the reps vote to end day, same again, most votes goes
we dont have to form a majority i dont think so someone basically is going for sure
But isn’t it better to acheive a town consensus? Also, it the lynch doesn’t logically add up, we know someone lied about their vote.
Absolutley - just checking you knew this game is “plurality” which seems to be the name for what we are talking about
In post 1085, The Last Knight wrote:In post 1083, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:In post 1079, The Last Knight wrote:In post 1026, DrewVa wrote:In post 1024, The Last Knight wrote:C'mon guys, you don't want to vote to lynch me... Not if you're town anyway. Scum can vote for me all they want. Careful of that hammer!
But I will continue to update this unofficial VC as the votes come in. And others should feel free to do so, if they so desire.
Convince the people on your wagon to vote Ram instead and I’ll switch.In [/smallcaps]p=10617941#p10617941]post 1050, Ramcius wrote:
Nah, keep it, i like to see who comes along on my wagon
I just want to point out that you're talking to the person who told me to put you on the counterwagon, while I have said nothing about you other than defending your own right to a public vote.
Have any other reason to read me scum?
Link me?
I don’t recall Ram sr us, I do recall Alonzo doing that though.
Anyway, I just saw Boon’s post about you being a forum mafia newb, so that makes me less want to vote you but good catch.
Your scum equity didn’t increase just by being Ram’s counterwagon, so it makes no sense for that to affect his read on you. Voting you, maybe but it shouldn’t affect his read at all.
Thanks, feeling even better about my vote now.
But I would still like to see that link. Thanks.
I was talking to Ramcius there. I was just quoting you so that Ram knew that you were the one to tell me to counterwagon him.
So, as far as I saw, there is no link about Ramcius SR you.
In post 1083, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:In post 1079, The Last Knight wrote:In post 1026, DrewVa wrote:In post 1024, The Last Knight wrote:C'mon guys, you don't want to vote to lynch me... Not if you're town anyway. Scum can vote for me all they want. Careful of that hammer!
But I will continue to update this unofficial VC as the votes come in. And others should feel free to do so, if they so desire.
Convince the people on your wagon to vote Ram instead and I’ll switch.In [/smallcaps]p=10617941#p10617941]post 1050, Ramcius wrote:
Nah, keep it, i like to see who comes along on my wagon
I just want to point out that you're talking to the person who told me to put you on the counterwagon, while I have said nothing about you other than defending your own right to a public vote.
Have any other reason to read me scum?
Link me?
I don’t recall Ram sr us, I do recall Alonzo doing that though.
Anyway, I just saw Boon’s post about you being a forum mafia newb, so that makes me less want to vote you but good catch.
Your scum equity didn’t increase just by being Ram’s counterwagon, so it makes no sense for that to affect his read on you. Voting you, maybe but it shouldn’t affect his read at all.
Thanks, feeling even better about my vote now.
But I would still like to see that link. Thanks.
In post 1095, The Last Knight wrote:In post 1087, DrewVa wrote:In post 1085, The Last Knight wrote:In post 1083, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:In post 1079, The Last Knight wrote:In post 1026, DrewVa wrote:In post 1024, The Last Knight wrote:C'mon guys, you don't want to vote to lynch me... Not if you're town anyway. Scum can vote for me all they want. Careful of that hammer!
But I will continue to update this unofficial VC as the votes come in. And others should feel free to do so, if they so desire.
Convince the people on your wagon to vote Ram instead and I’ll switch.In [/smallcaps]p=10617941#p10617941]post 1050, Ramcius wrote:
Nah, keep it, i like to see who comes along on my wagon
I just want to point out that you're talking to the person who told me to put you on the counterwagon, while I have said nothing about you other than defending your own right to a public vote.
Have any other reason to read me scum?
Link me?
I don’t recall Ram sr us, I do recall Alonzo doing that though.
Anyway, I just saw Boon’s post about you being a forum mafia newb, so that makes me less want to vote you but good catch.
Your scum equity didn’t increase just by being Ram’s counterwagon, so it makes no sense for that to affect his read on you. Voting you, maybe but it shouldn’t affect his read at all.
Thanks, feeling even better about my vote now.
But I would still like to see that link. Thanks.
I was talking to Ramcius there. I was just quoting you so that Ram knew that you were the one to tell me to counterwagon him.
So, as far as I saw, there is no link about Ramcius SR you.
Okay but do you think you being his counterwagon, should have any impact on his read on you?
No, I don't think his scumread on me, based on your counterwagon on him, is warranted. Kind of feels like a weird third party omgus.
In post 1096, The Last Knight wrote:Okay, I tried to do a "spoiler" to make that post less annoying to read and my forum-noob is slipping...
In post 1097, Nero Cain wrote:stuff here orSpoiler:
Also hit preview so you can use buttons if not wanting to type tags
In post 1102, Elsa Jay wrote:My job is to be useless and fetch quotes sometimes for friends. Also be entertaining.
By the way, hypothetically, if I had a gun, who would be opposed if I shot Nero Cain?
In post 1109, The Last Knight wrote:What makes you think he’s a 3P as opposed to scum?
Oh, I didn't mean 3P literally. I don't think multiball is a thing in this game. There were talks about it in the first 10 pages or so.
I just meant, it felt like Ramcius was scum reading me off of something you, DrewVa, told me to do. So maybe the correct term for what Ramcius is doing would be scapegoating.
In post 1115, Elsa Jay wrote:I checked the front page and saw a dude named theta alpine exists, Appearantly. Guess I could shoot there.
In post 1117, Elsa Jay wrote:Then one of the emperors? Work with me here drew.
In post 1119, The Last Knight wrote:In post 444, Ramcius wrote:In post 426, DrewVa wrote:In post 422, Ramcius wrote:
i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?
What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?
But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?
I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.
Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."In post 680, Ramcius wrote:In post 678, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Why do one thing per post when I can do many?
Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.
Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?
~ C
I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.
As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic
At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.In post 793, Ramcius wrote:In post 770, RCEnigma wrote:Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.
Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.
The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.
Other townie slots:
I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.
Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.
what is your read on Elsa?
Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).
Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.In post 1031, Ramcius wrote:In post 1025, DrewVa wrote:In post 1015, davesaz wrote:In post 976, DrewVa wrote:Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.
Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.
Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.
Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum
And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).
I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.
In post 1121, Nero Cain wrote:My vote is currently sitting on RCE but I'd be ok with any of the slots I listed earlier. Of those Ram is the only one with a wagon on him.
In post 1125, Nero Cain wrote:already changed my vote dear. No point in vanity voting RCE and I guess Ram's scumflip makes RCE a green pm.
In post 680, Ramcius wrote:In post 678, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Why do one thing per post when I can do many?
Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.
Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?
~ C
I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.
As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic
In post 1130, Alonzo wrote:In post 1109, The Last Knight wrote:What makes you think he’s a 3P as opposed to scum?
Oh, I didn't mean 3P literally. I don't think multiball is a thing in this game. There were talks about it in the first 10 pages or so.
I just meant, it felt like Ramcius was scum reading me off of something you, DrewVa, told me to do. So maybe the correct term for what Ramcius is doing would be scapegoating.In post 1119, The Last Knight wrote:In post 444, Ramcius wrote:In post 426, DrewVa wrote:In post 422, Ramcius wrote:
i don't like this. Assumption on scum having pre game chat and votes in main thread do nothing, so why scum wouldn't make them in RVS stage?
What part don’t you like - the townread on us, or you dislike this post?
But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?
I don't like how he jumped to conclusion from purely speculations on what scum might had and what they might talked.
Here, Ramcius says he doesn't like when people jump to conclusions on what they "maybe said [sic]."In post 680, Ramcius wrote:In post 678, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
Why do one thing per post when I can do many?
Here is my problem - I scumread you based on an ISO skim, I would say it's a tonal thing but even that's a bit of a reach for a description. Since I'm not familiar with you, wouldn't it make sense to ask others what they think? If I ask you, you're bound to tell me this is your towngame regardless of alignment. BUT I guess we could exchange reads instead.
Who are your top two scumreads/townreads?
~ C
I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame.
As for reads, i really dislike what Elsa is doing, i can't think for second one that i feel strong to be scum, Last Knight maybe? I remember having strange feeling about him
Townreads - RCE, i liked his answer about antitown thing and BEF, don't think scum would be so opportunistic
At this point, Ramcius starts off by saying that Cheeky Dancer may as well ask him directly to clarify his own playstyle. This doesn't make much sense to me since one should always just claim town, which Ramcius eventually contradicts by the end of this exchange, but still only in what seems to me to be an attempt to play devil's advocate to Cheeky.In post 793, Ramcius wrote:In post 770, RCEnigma wrote:Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.
Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.
The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.
Other townie slots:
I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.
Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.
what is your read on Elsa?
Now Ramcius contradicts himself by asking someone else to read Elsa, rather than ask Elsa himself, which is what he just told to do (shown above).
Now, after asking someone to give a read on Elsa, Ramcius gets aggressive when they don't have the same opinion and leaves an ominous threat in retaliation.In post 1031, Ramcius wrote:In post 1025, DrewVa wrote:In post 1015, davesaz wrote:In post 976, DrewVa wrote:Saying, Xslot can die can be townie. OTOH, saying I want Xslot dead, gives me the heebie jeebies.
Leaving aside who xslot is in relationship to the saying, how is one different than the other?
I can anticipate an answer but would like to hear what you think.
Well, I’ve heard townies say the former, more than the latter and the converse, for scum. There are obviously always exceptions but I think it holds in general.
Pile me under exception, I know better than even remotely try PL as a scum
And finally, Ramcius labels himself as an exception to a rule while he contracts himself on this very point in the quotes I've listed above. Meanwhile, he is blatantly PL me based on DrewVa's post (I went into further detail about this in a past post if anyone wants to iso me and find it).
I've been pretty interested in Ramcius lately and the hypocrisy that he displays with aplomb. So I think I'll change my vote to him.
Am I reading this right DrewVa is a shit stirrer?
In post 1138, The Last Knight wrote:In post 1121, Nero Cain wrote:My vote is currently sitting on RCE but I'd be ok with any of the slots I listed earlier. Of those Ram is the only one with a wagon on him.In post 1125, Nero Cain wrote:already changed my vote dear. No point in vanity voting RCE and I guess Ram's scumflip makes RCE a green pm.
Based on context, I can't tell if you want to vote RCE still, want to vote Ram, or are purposely being vague. But if you want me to add you to the unofficial VC, I can do that for you. I just don't want to misrepresent your vote.
In post 1141, Ramcius wrote:Saying that it isn't my town meta, when i play differently from my normal town playstyle is a scumslip?
I dunno if i should laugh or cry
In post 1147, Karmeleon wrote:Only Auro seems to be actually posting though, maybe not even Auro.
In post 1157, The Last Knight wrote:
Is this a vote for Gamma, or are you trying to get Ramcius to vote Gamma?
In post 1168, Nev and Max wrote:
Formerfish, the main to this head that ive slipped with twice now. I have history with Lonzo and we can read each other pretty well. He was looking for me to go at him in some way.
In post 1186, Nev and Max wrote:In post 1143, DrewVa wrote:Yep, looks like a slip to me.
Can you show where you have sniffed out any slips prior to right now? Cause I would say in, shit i dunno, just about every other game I play in someone claims that someone else scum slipped and that we should lynch them. Do you know how many scum slips ive seen in all the time ive been playing? I cant think of a single one. Do you have more than a supposed scum slip?
In post 1215, Ramcius wrote:In post 1143, DrewVa wrote:In post 1141, Ramcius wrote:Saying that it isn't my town meta, when i play differently from my normal town playstyle is a scumslip?
I dunno if i should laugh or cry
You don’t think it’s a weird thing to say? You left out any sort of townie modifiers like “usual” or “typical”, which wouldn’t make it a slip. You straight up said, it wasn’t your towngame. Yep, looks like a slip to me.
Why weird? Gamma and Nero played quite a few games with me, so if i say "yeah, it's my town meta", i would be called out. Do you see me using usual or typical or similar words?
In post 1228, Ramcius wrote:i guess i'll put DrewVa to my scum pool now, this broken record act getting really old
In post 1237, Ramcius wrote:
I understand, but it isn't OMGUS, i just believe you and TLK are scumbuddies, you literally accept all his shade towards me and ignore all arguments i give against it
In post 1238, Thanos wrote:In post 1235, DrewVa wrote:You said we’re scumreading “everybody”. I said I’m sr Ram and if they flip red, I’m taking another look at Alonzo.
So, in what world - let alone THIS game - does that add up to “everybody”?
I thought you were supposed to be good at math.
I don't think Lamees meant it in the literal sense, but I'll let her explain further why she felt so.
~A
In post 1241, Thanos wrote:Ah. Reading back on it, DrewVa seems to think this is a slip:
"I'm not bound to anything, especially, when this isn't my towngame."
I really disagree, it seems pretty clear to me he meant he's playing a different style.
I can NOT imagine scum actually saying "this isn't my towngame".
~A
In post 1247, Ramcius wrote:In post 1242, DrewVa wrote:In post 1237, Ramcius wrote:
I understand, but it isn't OMGUS, i just believe you and TLK are scumbuddies, you literally accept all his shade towards me and ignore all arguments i give against it
So, if I agree with someone, that makes us “buddies”? I have no idea what TLK is but yeah, I did think his reasoning wrt your posts made sense.
Okay, what are your arguments contradicting his?
Do i really have to repeat everything i posted in response to him? Is this your admit that you haven't read my response s and pursue me without reading my defence?
In post 1249, Thanos wrote:
Why should I ask him if the answer to your question informs *your* read? O.o
You asked the question, and I'm trying to find out what you were trying to get out of it.
~A
In post 1250, Thanos wrote:In post 1246, DrewVa wrote:At worst, I’m not wrong. At best, it’s NAI. Because I have seen it happen, more often than not.
The current subject is the legitimacy of the alleged "scumslip".
What you're saying in the quoted can be applied to anything anyone said.
(Assuming by "it" you refer to slips like this)
If you have seen slips highly similar to this one, can you quote them?
~A
In post 1253, Thanos wrote:In post 1251, DrewVa wrote:Oh, this really is a serious question then?
I legit thought your slot was trolling us for some reason.
I was kidding. rofl
It was a serious question. o.O
I'm not trolling, I want to figure out why you asked the "chiseled fish" question.
What do you mean -- you asked that question as a joke? Not relevant to the game itself?
~A
In post 1255, Ramcius wrote:In post 1248, DrewVa wrote:In post 1247, Ramcius wrote:In post 1242, DrewVa wrote:In post 1237, Ramcius wrote:
I understand, but it isn't OMGUS, i just believe you and TLK are scumbuddies, you literally accept all his shade towards me and ignore all arguments i give against it
So, if I agree with someone, that makes us “buddies”? I have no idea what TLK is but yeah, I did think his reasoning wrt your posts made sense.
Okay, what are your arguments contradicting his?
Do i really have to repeat everything i posted in response to him? Is this your admit that you haven't read my response s and pursue me without reading my defence?
I’m asking you a question. You should read it as, I’m asking you a question.
Considering i gave response to all his accusations, and to "contradiction" i gave answer twice, yours asking me again is strange, don't you think so?
If you have something else to ask, or my answer was clear enough, you can make summary and i try answer as best as i can to all your concerns
In post 1256, Thanos wrote:In post 1252, DrewVa wrote:Yes but I would but then have to dig through every game I’ve ever played in, to do that. You either believe me or you don’t. It’s really that simple.
Well, I don't buy that anyone made a slip of that specific nature ("this isn't my towngame") as scum; if you can back that up it'll lend some amount of credibility but as far as my judgment of the legitimacy of the slip itself goes, it doesn't look like one. Also, this is a very weak push.
~A