mini 2048: more songs (game ougre)

[profii]

I am interested if the following players are interested in pushing the Trivium wagon through to a lynch:


2.Nikk
5.Wagonomics
6.Egix96
9.Robert2424

[profii]

I am interested if the following players are interested in pushing the Trivium wagon through to a lynch:


2.Nikk
5.Wagonomics
6.Egix96
9.Robert2424

Why Trivium specifically? Because of last game, or for a different reason?

what would the last game have to do with this game?

[profii]

It's just a thing people are doing to get talking to happen.

People are just acting outside of the interest of the town (quick wagon, naked votes) to stir up conversation? To x's credit they did jump right in and ask good questions.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Why flubbernugget and not Dough?

Either works.

Are you saying that both scum naked voted on a lol wagon?

[profii]

Egix has a tough meta to crack. Not going to give my read on him just yet.

Trivium reacted way better to this wagon than he did to his wagon in our last game as scum but it is an RVS wagon whereas the other one was much later in the game so it’s like half a tick mark on town.

I’ll hold off on my Profii read

Interesting

[profii]

Egix has a tough meta to crack. Not going to give my read on him just yet.

Trivium reacted way better to this wagon than he did to his wagon in our last game as scum but it is an RVS wagon whereas the other one was much later in the game so it’s like half a tick mark on town.

I’ll hold off on my Profii read

Interesting

You should answer x’s question so I can be less interesting and give my read on you.

I asked because when I skimmed earlier they hadn’t said anything about Triv wagon (think I missed posts from Robert to be fair)

So I was trying to work out if like we were going to get the sign of a scum wagon where it’s hard to get enough people to actually form a majority because town are inherently uninformed

I don’t think my test really told me anything

[profii]

like in the last game when we got BEF it was hard to get the wagon over the line, so, let's assume the rush on triv was fully town...there were a few players who had already objected by the time i posted... so if the players i specifically asked (The undeclared) all kinda came out and went 'Eh why not, im not against it'

you could speculate that the rushers were town, the questioned were town and we hit a scum and found the objectors as his buddies.

I'm oversimplifying a complicated game, but i think there was a general mix of for and against anyway. I think we will have 1 scum for and 2 scum against and triv will be town- thats my guess. idk who

[profii]

i kinda ignore people like that until they start doing stuff. Like if i had meta experience i might be more like "that dude doesnt usually just naked vote his way through the day" or whatever but i kinda just null that as they aren't really showing their hand

[profii]

I dont feel as great about xwing though, dunno why

[profii]

LolWagons what do you think of Nikk

[profii]

i kinda ignore people like that until they start doing stuff. Like if i had meta experience i might be more like "that dude doesnt usually just naked vote his way through the day" or whatever but i kinda just null that as they aren't really showing their hand

I kind of agree but he’s gone after Trivium (the biggest wagon) and now the obvious policy lynch slot. Not really the blind voting to me as much as it is the targets.

yeah I'm like "noted" as far as that's concerned, so we will see where it goes

[profii]

meh it's just how i treat that style of play

didnt realise i hadnt voted

[profii]

i played a game with flubber recently where we lynched him day 1 (he was scum)

i suck at reading flubber and openly said that in the game, he was playing a similar game to you - like just asking questions a lot - kinda seemed NAI to me but everyone in the game was like need to wagon this - i felt like i was compromise lynching to get day 1 moved out the way and then what do you know - scum flip - did not see it coming at all

your play just reminded me of that game, so it's not like a big deal and thats why i kept it vague because it's probably not fair on you to judge you by flubbers meta

[profii]

As I said to lol I’m not gonna judge a slot that’s not even posting sentences yet

I say noted because I don’t like it - but I acknowledge there are a contingent of players that do this on this site - I’d prefer if they didn’t but that’s not really AI - it’s just my personal preference

So basically I’m trying not to bias myself and go “urgh lack of communicating is just scummy”

[profii]

I dont feel as great about xwing though, dunno why

you would be surprised how often overabundance of lame questions indicates scum

I think that's what is pinging me

[profii]

wait why is lol in that quote tree

[profii]

VOTE: xwing

glad it's not just me, seems like the right way to go

[profii]

This is a better reason to join a wagon.

I've kept your seat warm... jump on

[profii]

Duuuuuude GPs post is awful. The OP he’s quoting is profii saying that it’s probably not a reliable read because he’s reading off someone else’s meta. Instead of sheeping more updated and more rationally sound logic of generating questions with no content. Reasons matter and I am not buying that.

Trivium is town. This time, I think I’m actually sure.

get on xwing!

[profii]

Duuuuuude GPs post is awful. The OP he’s quoting is profii saying that it’s probably not a reliable read because he’s reading off someone else’s meta. Instead of sheeping more updated and more rationally sound logic of generating questions with no content. Reasons matter and I am not buying that.

Trivium is town. This time, I think I’m actually sure.

get on xwing!

TGP is better

Your resistance has been noted

[profii]

You can say that if you want

I don’t think it’s a bad argument because it’s not an argument- I just want to wagon xwing rn and in asking lol to join

[profii]

Sorry should clarify that’s from GP. On mobile.

feels like 1 is the c/w to the other... about to fall asleep so will look closely tomorrow

[profii]

I’ve been a cop in a Schadd game where it said no cops.

I’ll let you all think about that. I even got a guilty that got a scum lynched

[profii]

I’ve been a cop in a Schadd game where it said no cops.

I’ll let you all think about that. I even got a guilty that got a scum lynched

I could actually see that. No cop but any other variation of a cop isn’t really a cop. There are also other roles that kind of work like a cop.

not exactly...

I’ve been a cop in a Schadd game where it said no cops.

I’ll let you all think about that. I even got a guilty that got a scum lynched

Was it a Normal Game though?

i think so - i was a weak fruit vendor, so i could choose to inno everyone or suicide on scum

n1 i said "Imma cop you tchill >=[" and then suicided and everyone lynched him... was lols.

[profii]

@profli. Thoughts on Robert and him lying?

dunno if id call him a liar BUT I do find him scummy...

firstly it's hilarious that TGP called him potentially "cunning scum" and Robert says hey thanks for calling me cunning as if to slip "yes I'm scum I'm glad you rate my scum play so highly" sort of thing.

Also further to that, I think his push on the naked voters is low hanging fruit because as scum he cant find a fake push to latch on to so "that will do" - as you said, when i read you 2 in ISO, my first reaction was "just ask the reasons if you dont like the naked vote" but Robert gets needlessly defensive about it

VOTE: Robert

[profii]

Hey Nikk and Profii: go look at post #47 and tell me what you see in regards to Robert/TGP

probably not S/S

[profii]

Sure, I think you two (Ie you and Robert) are scum together and this a transparently contrived attempt to distance.

lol i said not S/S because they were pushing the similar thing - i would expected more distancing :O

[profii]

Yo Lolwagons - i wanted you to vote Xwing because I thought you were scum WITH Xwing - that why I note your resistance but you are starting to town it up a bit more so I'll reveal my read.

I am placing you under the pressure of a relatively high burden of proficiency so if you keep getting stuff wrong I am going to revert back to my initial instinct that you are scum with xwing.

it was an early read and probably wrong but that's why i was going that way.

[profii]

We should aim to kill before Xmas

[profii]

I’ll lynch:

Xwing
TGP
Lapsa
Robert

I think

[profii]

Xwing I’m not sure how you think I’m sitting on the fence with you - I think you are scummy

[profii]

you stated that "oh, xwing questions a lot, sounds like flubber when flubber was scum, but it's not fair to vote xwing for that.."
some time later flubber votes xwing, then you vote in turn..

i cant really remember but i know i wanted to explore the link between you and lol

[profii]

VOTE: TGP

L-1

L-1

L-1

[profii]

VOTE: TGP

L-1

L-1

L-1

What is this? Last night I indicated I might be getting cold feet on my reads and now you hop on?

ur not the boss of me >=[

There is scum in the 4 players I listed I reckon just on the feel of how the sort of conflicts/arguments in the thread are playing out - so given the iso is pretty lacking, doesn't seem unreasonable to push here.

I really wanted to go xwing but hey ho this isn't a bad way to go either

[profii]

I think I’d be mixing up avoidance of conflict with proper scum read if I went Robert rn but willing to hear a case

[profii]

I’ll lynch:

Xwing
TGP
Lapsa
Robert

I think

I am curious as to why xwing is still in this list. We were both in agreement that that they were shaking the bush but not really picking up anything that may have dropped. That changed a lot with their catch up.

I haven’t read that to be fair I’ll catch up

[profii]

ok
did some reading back and the vibe i get sometimes is some people are so towny i get paranoid and think they are scum - i think that's happening with lol which destroys my theory of {xwing / lol}


ive still no problem with the TGP lynch or robert
but if they start flipping town im looking at lapsa

[profii]

im a puppy and your a leopard how am i the agressive one here

[profii]

so what do you think the unvoting means Sasha?

[profii]

[snip]
Going to go with a SR on profii for trying to get himself on a wagon before it goes to a lynch. VOTE: profii

@lol, is this what you meant by the scumslip on post 430? i dont get what you're seeing here..

The only way it would be advantageous for Profii to be on his wagon as scum, is if TGP were to flip scum.

If TGP flips town, then how is it good for scum-Profii to be on the wagon?

And we know TGP is scumreading Profii because it’s right there in the post.

that's a weird question - if I'm scum and I lynch town!TGP then that's my win con lol. The fact we are talking about these scenarios means I could just induce wifom and say what about looking at it the other way round bla bla bla.

[profii]

[snip]
Going to go with a SR on profii for trying to get himself on a wagon before it goes to a lynch. VOTE: profii

@lol, is this what you meant by the scumslip on post 430? i dont get what you're seeing here..

The only way it would be advantageous for Profii to be on his wagon as scum, is if TGP were to flip scum.

If TGP flips town, then how is it good for scum-Profii to be on the wagon?

And we know TGP is scumreading Profii because it’s right there in the post.

that's a weird question - if I'm scum and I lynch town!TGP then that's my win con lol. The fact we are talking about these scenarios means I could just induce wifom and say what about looking at it the other way round bla bla bla.

That’s not what he’s saying though. He is saying you’re trying to get on the wagon before the lynch. The way it was worded is what gives it away.

It’s not “Oh you’re trying to mislynch me”, that doesn’t really say much

It’s “You’re trying to get on this wagon before it goes to lynch” heavily implies it’s a good wagon to be on.

Idk maybe it’s confbias like Egix said but if that’s the case it’s the most poorly worded OMGUS I think I’ve ever seen.

well that makes sense. I'll leave my vote there

[profii]

so what do you think the unvoting means Sasha?

I was trying to see a connection between the bolded part and the unvote. The only good reason I could find is to create some FoSing, some distancing between those two slots. If not, I don't think there is a reason and Lapsa just changes ideas often this game.

What's your opinion of Lapsa and LolWagons, Profii?

i think initially i got paranoid of Lol but i think he is just good at appearing towny so probably is

Lapsa isnt a great iso so i'd like to here some decent meta that people have - Is Lapsa always this kind of snappy or is this something we haven't seen before

[profii]

Lols

[profii]

think just blindly voting someone OUTSIDE of rvs based on OLD information is very, very scummy and i see this as more of a scumslip than gp statement..

I’m very overgamed at the mo - but whatever it will sort it self out

[profii]

VOTE: TGP



Done

Night

Gonna cop Robert

[profii]

VOTE: TGP



Done

Night

Gonna cop Robert

Did you really claim cop for no reason?

You’re brown bread tomorrow mate!

[profii]

Also let’s also keep in mind that #150’s only real read is a sheep of Flubber sheeping Profii who admits he is judging one player by the meta of another. And it just happens to be the counterwagon at the time.

You know how I played the last game. I’m on it again rn. Ttyl

[profii]

dafaq
you already voted for me
???

Nah you’re eating rope rn dude

[profii]

Sleep time for me ciao

[profii]

[tubular bells]
japanese breakfast - here come the tubular bells

d1 final vote count

TheGoldenParadox (7):

Trivium, LolWagons, Egix96, xwing, Nikk, profii, Robert2424

Robert2424 (2):

Doughboy, Flubbernugget

Lapsa (1):

Sashaddin

profii (1):

TheGoldenParadox

Egix96 (1):

Wagonomics

not voting (1):

Lapsa

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

VOTE: TGP



Done

Night

Gonna cop Robert

any thing to say young Robert?

[profii]

lets just see what he has to say and we go from there ok

[profii]

why claim ascetic

[profii]

I'll come back to this discussion. It should be easily resolved later.

[profii]

VOTE: Egix

Let's pretend deadline is in 2 hours. Would anyone be interested in a CFD here?

A Chinese Fire Drill. That's where lots of people change wagons very suddenly to reach a compromise when the clock is about to run out.

Like, Golden fosing me there and his claim made me think his town equity has increased a little bit. I'm not really interested in investing in ProfiiCoin right now, my investment in Lapsa didn't make me feel confident there, so wondering if people are interested in EgixCoin for today. If TGP is both town and his reads are not bad then I think this is a stock worth looking into.

That's a weird way to ask people to join a counter wagon on a scum slot dude

[profii]

VOTE: robert

You ended Day 1 not voting, why a naked vote on Robert today this soon?

to let you know that currently I would rather see robert lynched than wagonomics

I agree with you, but you're still on my watch list.

VOTE: Robert

what makes robert more scummy that Wagonomics asking people to form another wagon just as TGP is about to flip scum

[profii]

Ugh why did LW have to die?
I haven't looked at this game in a while (been busy w/ other stuff) but I'm just gonna
VOTE: Wagonomcs
for now.
No, the fact that he chose me specifically for his 'CFD' is irrelevant.

Well if wagonomics flips scum you are lock town

[profii]

So we have to decide between:


Mastina - “don’t cop me I’m ascetic lols”

Or

Wagonomics - “I would have obviously have cashed in on that sweet town cred if I was scum by bussing TGP”

[profii]

Let’s not mix the gimmick and the game, seeing as you have given up in the gimmick now pressure is coming your way eh


In fact - intent to hammer, claim?

[profii]

ITH stands for?

[profii]

Ignore me intent haha

[profii]

Every time someone gets this mad at me in this sort of situation I let off to be civil and end up not lynching scum

[profii]

Right ok so I’m here with you anyway

You cruise through the day with a gimmick, everyone is loling at you and you crack on because no pressure coming your way

You intent to hammer in 3 hours, unless someone has something to say

No one really did - I double voted

You call for your CFD thing 1 your after your intent




Your gimmick had gone by the time you intent to hammer post

To me it looks like the wagon was obviously on scum and scum were not willing to bus as it was hard to follow through with
That makes me think scum were struggling to get a counter wagon go anywhere else



So it makes perfect sense to me that your gimmick had gone at the point you were asking other people to speak against a TGP wagon because the gimmick wasn’t talking anyone to go anywhere

It also fits you happened to be off the wagon which fits my theory

And I am not a fan of this wifom defence today fwiw


Seeing as someone moved offf

VOTE: wagonomics

[profii]

If Wagonomics is who i think it is given their hostility to me then the flip could go either way tbh. i still think scum but the person i think it is cries "shit play" every time i simply dont see the game the same way they do.

i dont feel bad at all.

[profii]

dude cares a lot given they know i do shit gambits all the time, why take it so seriously if you know

[profii]

I'd out them but that would mean there would be some truth in what he is saying, whereas actually it's all just a massive AtE

[profii]

In a normal situation I’d apologise for making a mistake by voting after think that unvote was on wagon

But if you are going to continuously call me dumb for a mistake I’ll not bother or lose any sleep over it

[profii]

Seeing as someone moved offf

Yawn

[profii]

I thought I said I’m not going to apologise to someone who keeps calling me dumb etc

Apparently not reading the thread properly can happen to anyone

[profii]

656 - you say dumbass

658 - you call my play shit and garbage

659 - called shit again

663 - you infer “surface level thinking” about me

690 - this almost looks like you calmed down then you called me an idiot


I said it was a mistake on my part but you can’t help yourself but go off it in every other post

I don’t really care whatever makes you feel better - I’m just pointing out this probably just reflects on you at this point

[profii]

See I avoid your main because you think it’s acceptable to say all those things and just brush it off as playing the game

I accept people “play their own way” or whatever but I chose not to play with people that do what you just did there because imo it’s below the belt

So do me a favour and don’t join games I’m in - I never alt so that should be easy

[profii]

I don't get it, I thought you liked reaction tests?

This isn’t a reaction test this you getting your digs in

[profii]

What if you die tonight?

So you know I’m town now - cool

[profii]

Wait...
So profii hammered by mistake because he thought Lapsa was unvoting Nomics rather than Robert?
Fuuuuuuuuck
Profii, regardless of your alignment... please try and be more careful next time.

Yeah apologies to all - my bad

Why my alignment and not wagonomics though - which way is he going to flip?

[profii]

Firstly - I’m an idiot - moving on...

[profii]

But I doubt that is the last town PR

Interesting take. In the first Mini Normal I played (2045 aka Boba Tea Mafia) there were only three TPRs (a watcher, a backup watcher, and a 2-shot vig IIRC) so... yeah, make of that what you will.

I thought there was a relatively low number of PRs in that game fwiw

[profii]

That’s fine - this game was an exact replica of the last game at that point - we caught scum day 1 and their partner defended them, so that Chinese fire drill stuff really set me off. Then the breaking rolemplay made me think someone’s feeling the pressure - then I was a total noob and didn’t check the votes properly so that’s on me for sure

[profii]

A loyal neighborizor is basically a cop so adding a ascetic role in means it balances it up for scum because we might have hit a false guilty

So I’m leaning Mastina town there

[profii]

That’s about all I can surmise on my phone whilst travelling and without tabs

Will respond to q’s In real time & will look into cases later

[profii]

I got neighborized last night right before flubbernugget died, so I'm staring at an empty thread. I'm alright with killing profii or robert today; prefer robert though.

Does that not mean Flubber failed on n1... so let’s see if Flubber did an180 on anyone or was very firm on anyone on day 2?

[profii]

I got neighborized last night right before flubbernugget died, so I'm staring at an empty thread. I'm alright with killing profii or robert today; prefer robert though.

Does that not mean Flubber failed on n1... so let’s see if Flubber did an180 on anyone or was very firm on anyone on day 2?

Mastina.

Quote where Flubber flipped rather than just name dropping the ascetic claim - give it a bit of credibility and that

[profii]

Looking at Flubber s ISO combined with Triviums claim of an empty thread we should lynch Robert

His day 2 content went

Robert
Robert
Out yourself ascetics please (obviously wants to know if he has an fake guilty)


So

VOTE: robert

[profii]

Day 2 Starts!

mm, if your friends could see you right now, no lyin girl
i bet they'd wanna be you right now,
your body's takin over you
your body's takin over you
syd - body

Vote count 2.0

not voting (11):

mastina, Nikk, Trivium, Wagonomics, Egix96, profii, Sashaddin, Robert2424, xwing, Flubbernugget, Lapsa

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 starts now and ends january 5th (2019) at 17:45 central US time; in (expired on 2019-01-05 17:45:00)

mod notes

• thread unlocked
  
• mastina is vla due to power outage
  
• added a day to deadline for The Holiday Season

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I oppose because there's a lot of wishy-washy votes on them all the way up to L1. I didnt notice much of a read struggle between Robert and TGP, but that would be damning against the other if one of them flips scum.

VOTE: Robert

We lynch Robert today and wagon tomorrow.

Because it is stupendously antitown to not.
While it does prevent any scum roles from targeting me and lets them know that they can kill me for free, it tells the town roles not to waste their action on me. Thus, they can use their role on someone who it will work on.

This goes for anyone else ascetic as well.

Day starts, the 2 posts regarding Robert, then the call for further ascetics to our

If that’s not a breadcrumb...

[profii]

Lol died before his PR kicked in he was n2/3


I didn’t check for pre-action crumb but to be fair you’d probably make the decision after the TGP flip

[profii]

Well, I'm not ascetic, unless its not in my Role PM. Second, if he wanted a direct answer, he should of asked, it could of been anybody he targeted N1, Except Nikk or me. As I wasn't Naiborized, and Nikk wasn't visted N1.

huh wait what??

Lol died before his PR kicked in he was n2/3

I didn’t check for pre-action crumb but to be fair you’d probably make the decision after the TGP flip

oh yeah n2/3 forgot about that..dang he was too townie i wouldn't have thought he was PR.. what do you mean by the second paragraph?

I mean he might not have been confident enough day 1 to say “I’m going to PR ___ tonight” especially as I fake claimed

I would imagine, knowing your role can catch scum you’d probably wait until after the TGP flip to decide who you would target - potentially making any breadcrumb useless or worse - someone spits and discredits you


So I’m happy with him gunning for Robert on day 2 start and getting “mildly” pissed off when I hammered as you’d really want to take the time to talk people into your guilty

[profii]

I think scum voyeur fits in the game as they will be able to work out who all the innos are and kill them

I’m still happy to lynch Robert in light of Claim

[profii]

Lapsa, Triv, profii, xwing

= L-1



(Not making that mistake again!)

[profii]

So let’s say Flubber neighbourized town!player and scum!voyeur’d player


They know player is in the neighbourhood - which at first is kind of useless

But in the context of a LOYAL neighbourizor, they know !player is essentially an innocent child

So to further balance the game Lol was NOT loyal meaning one could argue the inno child status

Further to that, mastina being ascetic is there to mess with it all



So in context of what we know

Lol was gone before he managed to do anything

So anyone confirmed to be in the hood is inno’d - we have to trust Trivium for now

Given Flubber was gunning for Robert, I think the theory of a voyeur to help scum know who has been inno’d in this way makes sense

I also think the 2nd neighbourizor and ascetic were there to not make it _too_ clear as Schadd likes to go no cops - aka no 100% certain guilties


Does that help?

[profii]

Of course it does

As soon as Flubber flips, you know you need to shoot anyone who is in the hood

Mastina and Lol are there to make that not too easy for you

You can try and pretend my argument doesn’t make sense but it does

[profii]

[snip]
So to further balance the game Lol was NOT loyal meaning one could argue the inno child status

lolwagons was loyal as well..

Hmmm missed that

I’ll rethink my theory tomorrow

I still the Flubber targeted Robert regardless of overall setup spec given his day 2 play

[profii]

UNVOTE:

I wanna know what that's all about before we lynch - but i still want to lynch robert - plenty of time

[profii]

UNVOTE:

I wanna know what that's all about before we lynch - but i still want to lynch robert - plenty of time

Still time to lynch scum. Witch honestly I'm thinking its you and Lapsa at this point.

you keep saying me but you mentioned lol who possibly targeted me but it was pointed out he was a n2/3 dude so that wasnt an option

it comes across to me that you're desperate to send the lynch my way because my mis-vote seems like an easy way to keep you alive 1 extra night...

so i invite you to case me as best you can - I'll retort/explain/counter as necessary and we will see if people want to lynch me.

fill your boots

[profii]

So ignore post 809 we lynch robert today then town or scum we lynch profii

Hell at this point I'm even thinking about voting lapsa

Contemplating 4 scum?

Can’t be me / Robert / Lapsa - what’s going on here?

[profii]

I see Profii at 1 vote only (xwing). Adding mine.

VOTE: Profii

Because?

Ps come up with something more than “that accidental vote” please

[profii]

For everyone voting me - where do you go next when I flip town?

Because the obvious path next is back to Robert - we have a soft guilty

The logical thing would be to do that ~now~ as I’m the counter wagon

The last scum is pushing me for the mistake nonsense to protect Robert

[profii]

Also when Robert flips scum I’ve pushed him hard surely that tells you all I’m town - in a situation where I’m basically going to get lynched for a mistake anyway, why would I bus scum 3 - there is no way I would survive to end game on my own

[profii]

There is no way you let me get to LyLo on that

But ideally we remove Robert scum today then work out why his wagon died and go from there


However


If people really really want to lynch me today, you will stil lynch Robert tomorrow and have to find that last scum so before we lynch ME or Robert today you need to hear anyone out and that critically includes Mastina as that post was weird and just about the last vote before wagon death so I wanna know what was going on

[profii]

If my wagon was the result of a mistake it would have happened _before_ Roberts wagon

[profii]

Not really. I'm a town power role. I think it's a tossup who scum chooses tonight. Me or Trivium.

You seem to be denying the existence of scum power roles. We all know they exist - probably help your defence if you think about that

[profii]

@profii, the Lynch wagon will be back on you tommorow if I'm lynched.

Glad you know about them. I don't know what scum has and doesn't have.

Lol I mean in the broader context of this site ha ha


I’d happily agree to being lynched tomorrow after you

I think you flip scum and I know I flip town - that then puts us at 1v4 and I’m no longer distracting people whilst they talk about my stupid mistake

It’s probaby pro town overall as scum 3 wont be as easy to find

[profii]

I disagree there have been games where it’s been pro town to sit down and stop dragging out the distraction- this will be one of them

[profii]

So 1 vote constitutes a wagon ? Come on now

[profii]

Ok let’s try and answer that

1st quote block - I don’t even understand Lols point - why is it good for me to bus day 1? All my games are on my wiki - I’ve never bussed day 1 (I think I’ve only ever voted my mate if there’s been a mechanical guilty)

2nd quote block - for the first half of day 1, I thought there was a scum link between you and Lol - something gave it away that one of you, therefore both of you were town but I can’t remeber what that was - in terms of oppurtunity- I’d say of course - this game is about forming majority on scum, vanity is largely pointless so if someone else sees what I’m seeing it’s easier to push - this quote was obviously before I thought you were town


3rd quote - as per my last comments I was scum reading {xwing/Lol} together - looking at that specific quote I do recall a resistance from LOL to vote xwing which made me think maybe he won’t say 1 bus. I don’t know what I thought LOL was getting mixed up about but derping can be a scum tell so I would push that for sure


4th quote - sigh it’s Xmas


5th quote - the VCA - erm - rethink this please - would 2 scum go on a single slot if the plan was to inevitably bus TGP - dont think so
We are all saying Robert is potentially scum too - he is also off wagon - why wouldn’t 1 of us get on TGP ASAP to disguise the grab for town cred?
Notably that’s VC 1.2 so it’s early when I said I had a scum read on you, plus we had a decent wagon so as I say I try to avoid vanity

Also if you want to make a case on VCA don’t just colour in 1 slot when we have had a number of flips

The questionable slots are:
On wagon - Egix / xwing

Off wagon - Lapsa / profii / nikk / sash

I’ve removed Trivium for uncontested hood claim
I’ve removed Mastina (Dough) because I think ascetic is likely town false guilty role

If you want VCA - the TGp wagon was HARD to get through which suggests a lack of scum on it

So all that points you towards is me and Robert because we moved on by end of day - it doesn’t implicate me any more than Robert imo



Excuse me if I don’t find your case compelling


And for whoever was arguing that the Robert wagon came after the profii wagon - consider this - the Robert wagon caused so much pressure he claimed - the wagon on me is yet to do that so, yes I am the counter wagon

[profii]

The point is Robert got to l-1 and claimed before me

So the point I made that I am the counter wagon to Robert is true

[profii]

I don’t see intent

[profii]

^^^ I'll claim when people have read and processed the above. If you read that and still think I'm scum, you're either scum or mad

[profii]

My vote stands. Profli was a key contributor to moving from moving off Robert to Wagon. So if you are saying Robert is narrowly avoiding the noose and this makes him scum wouldn't logically stand to reason to look at who started to push away and onto Wagon?

Quote this?

[profii]

VOTE: Robert


L-1

L-1

L-1


We’ve had the voyeur claim

[profii]

My vote stands. Profli was a key contributor to moving from moving off Robert to Wagon. So if you are saying Robert is narrowly avoiding the noose and this makes him scum wouldn't logically stand to reason to look at who started to push away and onto Wagon?

Sure would!

...

After

you lynch Robert.

Not before.

You lynch the fucking scum before you try to lynch the scumbuddy.

I’ve literally seen that go drastically wrong

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76338

[profii]

That wasn’t clear - I mean hunting the scum buddy is a bad idea if you’ve caught scum - eg they will just hammer at l-1

[profii]

@Nikk

At 624 I didn’t know why people were voting Robert

Then at 643/647 if you were arguing I was protecting Mastina by lynching Wagonomics - sure - but I still didn’t know why people were voting Robert so pushed Wagon as he asked everyone to get off TGP in the final moments of day 1!

[profii]

I said I’d claim after people considered Mastinas posts as we are both making the same case - there is a soft guilty on you and it’s the way to go - by the time that happened I wasn’t L-1 with intent anymore

Anyway - why are you so desperate to see my role mr role fisher?

Interesting that you leave the final vote in the hands of Sash who voted you yesterday but ok let’s go

[profii]

you're on the vc at the top of the page?

[profii]

oh my bad you're on robert in the vc.

well I was a VT - make sure you get Robert tomorrow.

[profii]

I give myself 10 out of 10 for my performance

And by 10 I of course mean minus 10