Starcraft Mafia: 2 -- Game Over!

[Shoshin the worst]

Regardless I feel like Chara has 50 times the clout you do in this list... If you think it's scum and wanna do something about it let's see whatcha got

how are you reading Kokichi for this?
~Chara

Were kinda baffled by it. It gave brief towny daft flail energy the same way his pushback on the worst did in SCM1 (don't think it says anything about your alignment since he's half assing--just maybe his). that said it's a pretty easy lazy read to have as scum and I'm not sure it's something that doesn't occur to Kokichi naturally. I kinda feel like there should be some way I want to read this but I'm not really reading it strongly.

Do you have a spicier take?

[Shoshin the worst]

I'm giving up hope on Varsoon being useful today. His reads are so shit and he's so useless he's probably never getting nightkilled even if this claim is real. (if it's fake I just hope the actual vig has common sense and shoots him).

[Shoshin the worst]

Mewt or Nico are fine lynches right now as far as I can tell. They aren't the only people I scumread/don't townread but they're the slots I feel better about lynching.

NR flipping red would actually be fairly interesting given the way some slots have orbited around her today.
Mewt feels like a wolf.

We still have a couple of days right? No one be a flake please.

[ProFlavor]

VOTE: mewVOTE:

L-1

Someone do the intent thing, we can have a claim and the inevitable scramble and get that ball rolling before we do the next wagon :-/

[ProFlavor]

Oops

VOTE: mew

[Mewtaph]

VOTE: Shoshin the worst

[Mewtaph]

Mewt or Nico are fine lynches right now as far as I can tell. They aren't the only people I scumread/don't townread but they're the slots I feel better about lynching.

NR flipping red would actually be fairly interesting given the way some slots have orbited around her today.
Mewt feels like a wolf.

We still have a couple of days right? No one be a flake please.

Die.

[Mewtaph]

Lynch pool for being scummy: {Alchemist21, Almost Chara, Shoshin the worst}
Up for policy lynch: {Nancy}

Steamrolling with the biggest wagon that forms on any of these three + Nancy.

[Michael Scott]

@Mewtaph: Alchemist rebutted your attack on him, you left it at that though - why?
Rationale for STW, Almost Chara?
Why a policy lynch on Nancy?

~Jimothy

[Mewtaph]

mew

do u have any reads aside from

alch

and thoughts on the current wagons aside from your sole vote? want to know ty

VC 1.11
u r a person 2 - obv town, thoughts/approach too difficult to emulate as scum
Shoshin the worst - scummy, trying to discredit any suspicion on them, trying to degrade Varsoon's read on them as much as possible when he's likely the N1 target
pinturicchio - 1168 reads as genuine town, but not 100% clearing - best attempt to read them is when they are fully capable of generating thoughts or when they get a replacement: probably not wagoning D1
NicoRobin - really really shitty deadline lynch, received how they responded to pressure, not AI imo and they aren't invested enough to counter the dumb meta arguments in thread that have been presented, asking for a no-info D2 walking into it with Varsoon/Nico dead and one ML down, also my scumreads are willing to push it so nope
Kokichi - would be surprised if this was the one time he flips scum and he opens on Almost Chara, not interested in lynch here and my scumreads are willing to push it so nope
Alchemist21 - fake as fuck progressions throughout the game + fencesitting "decision making" => hard SR but something to pursue at a later day phase for me, don't have the thread presence to push it through

[Mewtaph]

I don't see any disconnect between 204 and 297

There is. That's his first game-advancing content and 297 completely misinterprets the second half of my question. His "I'm not redoubling on the mistakes I messed up" reads as AtE. I wouldn't buy it if I were you.

[Mewtaph]

@Mewtaph: Alchemist rebutted your attack on him, you left it at that though - why?
Rationale for STW, Almost Chara?
Why a policy lynch on Nancy?

~Jimothy

It's how scum would respond from beginning to end. Me trying to push Alchemist through here requires thread presence I don't have - Nancy is acting as a huge obstacle to me pushing him at all and reflecting votes onto me in a very destructive manner.

Tl;dr, the rebuttal is how a scum responds and the basis of his approach to me isn't how town thinks. I'm not responding to a hard SR

[ProFlavor]

Does no one have anything to say about post 1195?

I could link the friends game Gamma talked about and say Nico lurking can go either way tbh

Was this the one where we partnered up and had two desperate games?

~Leaf

[ProFlavor]

Yo, Auro, I got a rundown of the game from my buddy, but can I see your perspective?

3 biggest things this game to look out for during my catchup, what are they?

[Mewtaph]

On AC: They aren't a town read and I'm much more interested in exploring where Kokichi is going with this rather than discarding what he's saying completely and toss him into the "ML and ignore" pile. A50 has been notably "muted" in presence compared to what I expect from him in other games, so if someone has a chip on the Chara head then I'm willing to roll with a wagon on them.

[ProFlavor]

Hmm, I don’t know if I’m a fan of this Mewtaph wagon, but I’ll trust Profii.

What’s the case for ScumTaph?

~Leaf

[Mewtaph]

• This is a confirmed single-ball game with no third party roles. The distribution of players will be 11 town vs 3 mafia
  
• There will be a role similar to a town-aligned vigilante in this game
  
• This game will feature roles that interact with the order of players in the player list, but the primary emphasis will still be on day play and not night actions.

@Mod: Can we take the point quoted here to indicate that there will be a TOWN-ALIGNED role that is similar to a Vigilante this game?

Yes.

#stillalive
#stilltown

This isn't how town responds to reacting to something stopping a public dayvig shot on them "outside of their knowledge" by the way.

[Michael Scott]

@Mew
Your responding to the hard SR would be to convince the rest of us to sheep you on your SR. Disagree?

"It's how scum would respond" isn't a rebuttal.

Quote where Nancy's been deflecting votes, and detail how it's destructive?

~Jimothy

[Mewtaph]

Hmm, I don’t know if I’m a fan of this Mewtaph wagon, but I’ll trust Profii.

What’s the case for ScumTaph?

~Leaf

Alchemist and Nancy have been pushing me, check there for reasoning.

[Michael Scott]

Yo, Auro, I got a rundown of the game from my buddy, but can I see your perspective?

3 biggest things this game to look out for during my catchup, what are they?

Yo Flavor,

I'm having a bit of a hard time following the game myself.
I'll need to do a proper catchup too, right now I'm focusing on current interactions.

~Jimothy

[Mewtaph]

@Mew
Your responding to the hard SR would be to convince the rest of us to sheep you on your SR. Disagree?

"It's how scum would respond" isn't a rebuttal.

Quote where Nancy's been deflecting votes, and detail how it's destructive?

~Jimothy

Okay, but the way he's approaching me isn't giving me a chance to respond. That's the entire point of when you drag someone's name in the dirt.

[Almost Chara]

Were kinda baffled by it. It gave brief towny daft flail energy the same way his pushback on the worst did in SCM1 (don't think it says anything about your alignment since he's half assing--just maybe his). that said it's a pretty easy lazy read to have as scum and I'm not sure it's something that doesn't occur to Kokichi naturally. I kinda feel like there should be some way I want to read this but I'm not really reading it strongly.

Do you have a spicier take?

i asked because 1186 is an interesting post. hard to explain, but the way you brought up our "clout" in the thread currently caught my attention. not that we were towny per se (and i'm aware you're townreading us) but that we were a strong presence and Kokichi had a weak one, making his chances of winning out against our towniness low. i know i'm being confusing here, but could you talk about your feelings in making that post?

now, as for my read on Kokichi: it's moved to nullish town. there's very little that scum Kokichi gets from his pushback on us there. i buy that he believes i'm lynchable as scum and thus would throw himself into it, but scum Kokichi throwing himself into the attack like this and calling me a liar just seems foolhardy. the read itself is plenty shallow however, as i've said.

looking forward to Mewtaph's reasoning for us being scum!
~Chara

[ProFlavor]

Seems to me like Alchemist went after mewtaph because he didn’t like that Mewtaph said he didn’t seem genuine, and Nancy likely got stuck on something Mewtaoh did and got in a TvT with Mewtaph.

I’m leaning town on Mewtaph.

UNVOTE: Mewtaph

Alchemist and Nancy are both the type to stick on something when they don’t have anything else to go on and tunnel in. I don’t think Mewtaph’s scum off the last few pages.

I went back and ISO’d, and it looks like people just tunneled in.

I haven’t been keeping up with the game, so i feel that I have a pretty unbiased look at the game right now.

[Almost Chara]

On AC: They aren't a town read and I'm much more interested in exploring where Kokichi is going with this rather than discarding what he's saying completely and toss him into the "ML and ignore" pile. A50 has been notably "muted" in presence compared to what I expect from him in other games, so if someone has a chip on the Chara head then I'm willing to roll with a wagon on them.

oh, it's here.
Mewtaph, i replied to Kokichi's assertions earlier. (he isn't correct. we recently finished a game together where he replaced into a towny slot and through inactivity i ended up scumreading him.)
there's no way to "wait and sort" Kokichi like he says i do

every single time

when he's town (i don't) if he is barely playing to begin with.

Almost is busy. is that just a general comment, or are you saying it's AI?
~Chara

[Mewtaph]

Spoiler:

Taly’s vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get a response from me. Mewtaph’s reason for keeping his was sketchy.

Anyone ever claiming that a read/play/etc. is forced/fake/whatever without just cause, usually pings me.

Someone explain scum!Alchemist to me? This just feels like a forced wagon. I literally don't get it.

Wait what? There's an Alchemist wagon WHY? I was fine being complacent earlier but this changes things
-Gamma

I think it's just Mewtaph and Taly atm but it does not make any sense to me, either.

I'm not incredibly happy with Mewtaph's pushing there.
Makes some degree of sense, but it is what it is. Very curious.

-V

Mewtaph’s play is very different here, than in SC1. Yeah, really really disliking his Alchemist vote. His weird question to Gamma about her alignment and follow up reactions, were weird as well.

NicoRobin(3)

~ Michael Scott(57), Shoshin the worst(153), u r a person 2(81)

u r a person 2(2)

~ ProFlavor(43), pinturicchio(42)

Shoshin the worst(2)

~ NicoRobin(6), Varsoon(143)

Alchemist21(2)

~ Mewtaph(5), Taly(61)

pinturicchio(1)

~ Tibor and Lumia(75)

Mewtaph(1)

~ Alchemist21(52)

Kokichi Oma(1)

~ Almost Chara(70)

This is an incredibly bad VC for town.

Michael/STW/UP2

, tell me why

Nico's

a good lynch today.

URAP2

- Already prompted

Pint/ProFlavor

to talk about their vote here.

STW

-

vars

, make town cohesive <3

Alchemist21

- Actually want

Mew

to explain his scumread on

Alchemist

, it's the only one they've had it seems? In like... 1000 posts?

Pint

- A reason to townread

T&L

as I'm feeling less impressed each time I read

Pint's

ISO or latest posts.

Kokichi

-

AC

, is this really a worthy lynch? Any active posters you don't townread?

Why? And Bono and Alchemist are really bad wagons.

anyone have meta on

Mew

?

like reliable ones? not a 1 game half-assed

"this is how someone is as that alignment"

?

ISO him in Starcraft 1. He seems to be very different here.

VOTE: Alchemist21

Considering that this vote hasn't left, was it serious?

Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.

Hey Gamma, can I ask you a question? Do you think that I should be town reading you this game?

What answer were you expecting here?

It was an open ended question, so I wasn't expecting any answer in particular.

I like u r a person 2 for town quite a bit actually, and I would be willing to do my first active sort to them, Taly or Varsoon.

I think NicoRobin is a decent point to poke with a stick before deadline rears too close, but is a bad wagon to get going near deadline in case they are really just apathetic!town.

I don't know why pinturrichio keeps pushing their content back repeatedly but it's not a great look.

I didn't like the initial voting on

UP2

when I first skimmed through it, the reasons for a scumread there lacked substance (Prompting

Michael Scott

to explain why he thought

UP2's

posts were manufactured, that's the vote that most got my attention when it happened.)

I agree a bit on

Nico

. A lurker lynch won't get anywhere, and I don't trust the fact that everyone is like

"where's the scum at"

?

:/ I get my vote on

Kokichi

contradicts the above statement, but I'm working to change this.

Pint

pushing content back... not a great look? Or scum-indicative?

I thought ignoring

u r a person 2's

self-referential call for a wagon on himself by means of a vote over interaction was scummy. There is a part of me that thinks that scum would be looking for something to do outside of STW's wagon after it dissolved.

Mmm, yes. This is how I feel too.

I'm not taking

Pint

having to push his content back as scum indicative but I'm saying it would've been bad if posts along those lines continued, which I guess is pointless now.

Hmmmm . . . never left moves his vote off of Alchemist who reads pretty damned townie to me but shades Pint. If Pint ever flips red here, this could be possible distancing.

Votecount 1.10

NicoRobin(3)

~ Michael Scott(57), Shoshin the worst(153), u r a person 2(81)

u r a person 2(2)

~ ProFlavor(43), pinturicchio(42)

Shoshin the worst(2)

~ NicoRobin(6), Varsoon(143)

Alchemist21(2)

~ Mewtaph(5), Taly(61)

pinturicchio(1)

~ Tibor and Lumia(75)

Mewtaph(1)

~ Alchemist21(52)

Kokichi Oma(1)

~ Almost Chara(70)


Not Voting (2): Mephistophanes 39(184), Kokichi Oma(8)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:05:31)

MOD REMINDERS

Kokichi Oma needs a prod. The last post was at: 1/9/2019 10:23:00 AM which was 2 days 4 hours 16 minutes 51 seconds ago.

NicoRobin is no longer being replaced.

VOTE: Mewtaph

Also, didn’t care for the weird Gamma question and justification for it. Pint could also be scum but eh.

So, rn, those two read the least towniest. Thinking Stw is wrong about Taly and RSC (PF), so maybe one of the lurkers but lurking is more town indicative for Kokichi than Nico but currently null on both and I agree with Taly about either being low info flips.

Did a quick search in Nancy's ISO, here are the posts that I think are completely bringing up vectors of attack that are almost entirely created to protect their TR, essentially they're constraining original thought process in the thread which isn't good especially when it's only D1. This is essentially a post dumping all of it in one area.