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Post Post #4350  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:45 pm

In post 4332, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm here if anyone has anything interesting to say.

pls move ur vote off me? also this was never followed up by you. what issues did you have?
In post 3504, CheekyTeeky wrote:Mcqueen I have a few issues with your responses that I will pull up soon. But before I do - could you please talk about your read progression on my slot and Xtoxm?

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Post Post #4351  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:47 pm

In post 4341, profii wrote:He did it himself but nice attempt to shade me on your way out

@mcqueen

? i've got no idea what this is in reference to

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Post Post #4352  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:48 pm

^nevermind

how am i shading you? it's a clearly bad play. if a pr wants to out, they can, but don't ever do it for them. it's not good townplay. i'm the bad guy here?

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Post Post #4353  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:50 pm

based on what Unah has written so far I kinda want her roped tomorrow but I also kinda want to interact with her a bit more first to see if I can't flesh out her thought process

I feel like there are some tonal things Gamma did early d1 that seemed a little townie but her posts today have not been very townie

anyone have any stunning, break-through the ice ways to read Elsa or SS? -D
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Post Post #4354  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:57 pm

You could check out my meta maybe...

As scum I play much more awkwardly, giving and explaining reads while not doing a lot of interaction, and I tend to try to lead or push through wagons often.

As town I play much more cautiously and reactively, generally focusing on townreads and questioning (and mechanics, which are a strong suit of mine) and refusing to commit to a lot of hard positions.

That sounds like something that would be really easy to replicate as scum, but I've tried and failed numerous times. (I'm not good at lying, and I'm pretty good at honestly telegraphing my motivation.) Don't take my word for it, go check some games out. I can link some if you'd like.
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Post Post #4355  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:06 pm

I was actually thinking of that. In Excalibur I feel like you generally agreed with my plan irt who should claim the sword. Here you kinda pushed back against having lots of public votes early on with your sassy self-vote. So I kinda feel like you started out working against the thread being very readable with your self-vote. I'm conflicted on you though, since I do think as scum you more often just do 'normal things you'd think a town would do' and your self-vote is actually a bit outside that, but given this thread is such a mess and you yourself say you emphasize mechanics it's odd that you started out the game like that -D
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Post Post #4356  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:13 pm

In post 4355, DrewVa wrote:you kinda pushed back against having lots of public votes early on

I didn't really... The self-vote was a dumb RVS way to egopost, but I said multiple times early on that I wished more people were transparent about their votes.
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Post Post #4357  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:15 pm

In post 4348, mcqueen wrote:
In post 4326, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4313, mcqueen wrote:ay bro I appreciate the love, but please don't associate with me while you're about to die. if you flip scum I'm really dead, and I know that'd be ideal to you... but then why attempt to save me today?

Are you scum reading Gamma?

Not sure what the quote has anything to do with your question, but I don't really have a solid read on Gamma. Part of me wants to trust Alonzo, part of me just doesn't see enough content from them to lean either way. In my confessional I do have them listed as scum, but that's more of a PoE thing because most of the playerbase is town or null.

If by happenchance you meant Creature, then tbh I have a townread on them. Like his activity as of late, don't necessarily like his entrance.

this "don't defend me" seems really fake.

Am I needed back on Mcqueen?
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Post Post #4358  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:18 pm

In post 4357, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4348, mcqueen wrote:
In post 4326, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4313, mcqueen wrote:ay bro I appreciate the love, but please don't associate with me while you're about to die. if you flip scum I'm really dead, and I know that'd be ideal to you... but then why attempt to save me today?

Are you scum reading Gamma?

Not sure what the quote has anything to do with your question, but I don't really have a solid read on Gamma. Part of me wants to trust Alonzo, part of me just doesn't see enough content from them to lean either way. In my confessional I do have them listed as scum, but that's more of a PoE thing because most of the playerbase is town or null.

If by happenchance you meant Creature, then tbh I have a townread on them. Like his activity as of late, don't necessarily like his entrance.

this "don't defend me" seems really fake.

Am I needed back on Mcqueen?

how is it fake? i was reading through the thread, so if you think i said it after more people started a townread on him (myself included), you're wrong.

i don't wanna be caught "redhanded" tomorrow because some scum tried to pocket me. maybe the same should be said about Una, but at the time, she had just replaced in for someone else. Creature didn't.

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Post Post #4359  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:23 pm

In post 4352, mcqueen wrote:^nevermind

how am i shading you? it's a clearly bad play. if a pr wants to out, they can, but don't ever do it for them. it's not good townplay. i'm the bad guy here?

Hang on, let’s think about this

It’s obvious the route Creature is going with the whole replace out drama

The other part of it is the way Creature has done it is so obvious that if he is town he is baiting a night kill and he is not actually a PR because any scum reading this must be like “oh he thinks he’s important”

Or he is just scum and he is going to make some shit up

I still don’t think he is today’s lynch. I don’t think he dies tonight either and we should be able to make the call really easily tomorrow based on results or lack of or bullshit smells coming from that direction

It should be straightforward

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Post Post #4360  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:25 pm

but why out that? i don't see why, as town, you would explicitly say that right now. if your theory is confirmed tomorrow, say it tomorrow, but don't do it today. like you said, you don't even think he's today's lynch, so why are you trying to save him?

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Post Post #4361  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:31 pm

In post 4343, Creature wrote:
In post 4338, DrewVa wrote:Who wants to strikethrough the town in this list?

Profii
Mcqueen
Davesaz
The Last Knight

UnaBombah
Elsa Jay
Something_Smart
Gamma Emerald
Ramcius (maybe not)
Nev and Max
RCEnigma

-D


@DVa, why does N & M have a strike through it and not Gamma?

Gamma is obvtown and and N & M are hella sketchy?
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Post Post #4362  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:35 pm

In post 4323, Alonzo wrote:
In post 4318, DrewVa wrote:I don't think Koki goes through today.

How strongly do you feel about Gamma, Alonzo? -D


Again I'v kept quiet about our D1 'misunderstanding' but I do think that may have been a sneaky smear by Scum!Gamma on me, I'v given them space, I dont recall reading many obvtown posts from she in this one.

I could Lynch there without remorse...


Have I missed something? Why is Gamma scum?
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Post Post #4363  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:36 pm

I’m not caught up. Can someone please tell me the case on Gamma and when that started? Thanks.
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Post Post #4364  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:46 pm

Mcqueen I can't be bothered but I disagreed with a lot of what you said and I do think you went from being really waffly/active to being frozen after I tunnelled you. I want to read you as town but I don't get your read progression on us - it just didn't make sense to me. Being so hot and cold makes it look like you're testing the water.

I could go Unah if anyone else is interested in wagoning that. I was serious about BEF too. Creature might be town but I've seen him stray from his scum meta before - I did like him helping out with some reads though. I will say that people who insta towned him based on content are suspect though.

So who's down for Unah?
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Post Post #4365  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:50 pm

I didn’t freeze. I made the conscious decision to active lurk because of the terrible reasons for you and PP voting me, with it clear until recently that neither of you would accept any defense I had to offer. Same goes with Nero.

“I want to read you as town” so do it. I’m a townie.

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Post Post #4366  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:52 pm

Also, i had periods of lurking d1 and you townread me at that time. I was here to offer defense and when that became rather pointless is when i decided to “bail”

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Post Post #4367  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:53 pm

In post 4306, mcqueen wrote:Would you mind answering this now? Thanks


Already did. You’ve done nothing to change my view.

The fact that you don’t care enough to remember only makes me think you don’t really care.
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Post Post #4368  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:00 pm

In post 3813, PenguinPower wrote:So, yeah, Ari is out. Just me now.

In post 3904, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 3897, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Also, partly due to ENG ignoring my question about why they thought there was nothing substantial to address right after TLK cased ENG of being scum


?

In post 3910, PenguinPower wrote:Prefer for you to explain your town read on me first.

In post 3912, PenguinPower wrote:I don't think you really believe anything you are saying. Like, it all feels fluid to fit what you need it to fit.

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In post 3907, mcqueen wrote:
In post 3878, Cheeky Dancer wrote:I feel like nero/mcqueen could be svt or svs but not tvt if that makes sense.

~ C

So vote Nero

In post 3908, mcqueen wrote:
In post 3881, DrewVa wrote:
In post 3878, Cheeky Dancer wrote:I feel like nero/mcqueen could be svt or svs but not tvt if that makes sense.

~ C


Why can’t they be tvt? But Nero is always t here, regardless.

It pains me to still say that he is


If you think Nero is town, why tell someone to vote for them. Why not try and push them somewhere else?

In post 3911, mcqueen wrote:Ur not scummy, ur just annoying when ur stubborn over stupid stuff


That's a reason to not scum read me. I don't see where the town read comes from.

In post 3915, PenguinPower wrote:I read your ISO (not a hypocrite). I didn't see any reasoning, only "here are people that are scum read that I don't scum read" and "still town."

Also...that "joke" didn't come across as a joke at all.

In post 4017, PenguinPower wrote:You aren't obvtowning.

Still want mcqueen though.

In post 4019, PenguinPower wrote:I'm fine waiting for you to. Bad lynch for today.

In post 4021, PenguinPower wrote:Not really.

In post 4040, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 4039, DrewVa wrote:They are 2 entirely different players, Creature is a sub.


Um...no.

In post 4018, Creature wrote:It's hard to obvtown when you don't want to make your main pretty obvious when playing with an alt.

In post 4059, PenguinPower wrote:Why not?

In post 4062, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 4060, Creature wrote:Was there some good case like we had on Emperor FlippyNips?


Doesn't really answer my question.

In post 4192, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 4191, DrewVa wrote:Also I don't think koki replacing ul was a moderator thing


Kokichi and I both asked Boon if we could rep in since our partners went mia/bowed out. PL should still be updated.

In post 4227, PenguinPower wrote:It's still a bit too early, but I don't think Creature is scum.

In post 4232, PenguinPower wrote:Somewhat entertaining. Keep it up.

In post 4367, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 4306, mcqueen wrote:Would you mind answering this now? Thanks


Already did. You’ve done nothing to change my view.

The fact that you don’t care enough to remember only makes me think you don’t really care.

here’s your entire ISO. you didn’t answer it

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Post Post #4369  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:02 pm

In post 3101, Emperors New Groove wrote:Weird specification.

Haha. :lol:

In post 3102, Emperors New Groove wrote:I'm voting mcqueen now.

and this appears to be all you had to offer outside of our argument on the ENG account.

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Post Post #4370  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:03 pm

In post 4364, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Mcqueen I can't be bothered but I disagreed with a lot of what you said and I do think you went from being really waffly/active to being frozen after I tunnelled you. I want to read you as town but I don't get your read progression on us - it just didn't make sense to me. Being so hot and cold makes it look like you're testing the water.

I could go Unah if anyone else is interested in wagoning that. I was serious about BEF too. Creature might be town but I've seen him stray from his scum meta before - I did like him helping out with some reads though. I will say that people who insta towned him based on content are suspect though.

So who's down for Unah?


Wrt Unah, RCE’s post about Unah derping about the number of scum, kinda makes me hesitate there. Yeah. I agree with you, both DVa and me think this is town!Creature here. So, based on my BEF metacheck and Profil correctly scumreading him in a scumgame and sr on here, I could see that.

How are you currently reading SS and N & M?
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Post Post #4371  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:03 pm

:lol:

You even quoted it. 3912 dude.
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Post Post #4372  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:03 pm

In post 4370, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 4364, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Mcqueen I can't be bothered but I disagreed with a lot of what you said and I do think you went from being really waffly/active to being frozen after I tunnelled you. I want to read you as town but I don't get your read progression on us - it just didn't make sense to me. Being so hot and cold makes it look like you're testing the water.

I could go Unah if anyone else is interested in wagoning that. I was serious about BEF too. Creature might be town but I've seen him stray from his scum meta before - I did like him helping out with some reads though. I will say that people who insta towned him based on content are suspect though.

So who's down for Unah?


Wrt Unah, RCE’s post about Unah derping about the number of scum, kinda makes me hesitate there. Yeah. I agree with you, both DVa and me think this is town!Creature here. So, based on my BEF metacheck and Profil correctly scumreading him in a scumgame and sr on here, I could see that.

How are you currently reading SS and N & M?


Shit. Sorry. :facepalm:
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Post Post #4373  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:04 pm

In post 3090, Emperors New Groove wrote:Readlists aren't necessary if you are contributing. They are easily fakeable.

Get your reads from play. From actions. From votes.

Here's one to help you out since you are recently returned. You are not a townread.

p-edit

Yes.

oh and this. Never said why I’m not a townread

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Post Post #4374  (ISO)  » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:06 pm

In post 4371, PenguinPower wrote::lol:

You even quoted it. 3912 dude.

“I dont believe what im saying” that’s your opinion. It was a joke. I dont care if it was bad or you didnt like it. I explained the point of it to drewva. Id rather Nero get lynched than me, if it came down to it.

Again, your vote was already on me before that. And your reasoning was lazy and a weird specification. Just admit your vote lacks reason and change it

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