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I appreciate it.In post 1553, Krazy wrote:I will grant a 6 hour extension so the new deadline will be in (expired on 2019-01-17 04:00:38).
If we end up needing a replacement on anyone, would we get 48 hours+ for that replacement to catchup/post?
I hope Pint's doing okay...
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In post 1547, Krazy wrote:MineIn post 1548, Krazy wrote:More
Could you please spam these posts 24/7?In post 1549, Krazy wrote:Minerals
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I'd jump to a pintu wagon if it started forming
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I'm not playing in any games with you after this tbh, so you can stick "meta" up your ass.In post 1544, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Ah, so he isn’t even basing his bad read on meta. His insistence in pushing you for reasons which make 0 sense to me, reads off to me.In post 1534, Alchemist21 wrote:
I don’t think I’ve played with Mew before.In post 1531, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Looks like it was just Mew tbh. I don't know what their shared meta is rn, Mew/Alchemist care to elucidate me?In post 993, Shoshin the worst wrote:I think it's just Mewtaph and Taly atm but it does not make any sense to me, either.
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I'm doing my best not to let his absence change my readIn post 1564, Mewtaph wrote:Why do you even want a pintu wagon other than he's not present in the thread?
but my reads elsewhere have evolved, mainly on stw, proflavor and strengthening of a couple town reads
and pintu's scum equity has increased as a consequence
why do you seem hostile to the idea of moving the wagon off of you and onto someone else?103-11 0-2- u r a person 2
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Can you point me to where the basis of your scumread on pintu lies if it isn't for activity?In post 1566, u r a person 2 wrote:
I'm doing my best not to let his absence change my readIn post 1564, Mewtaph wrote:Why do you even want a pintu wagon other than he's not present in the thread?
but my reads elsewhere have evolved, mainly on stw, proflavor and strengthening of a couple town reads
and pintu's scum equity has increased as a consequence
why do you seem hostile to the idea of moving the wagon off of you and onto someone else?- Mewtaph
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In post 428, u r a person 2 wrote:okay, Pintu
I think Pintu's read on Varsoon is fine. Easily in both pintu ranges.
Pintu's case on me boils down to fence sitting and jumping off the stw wagon.
Fine. I've been unsure of myself all game due to hydras, experience between other players, etc. And I did get off STW's wagon. That's a fact.
What I've been digesting is the all-encompassing nature of Pin's read. Consider first the unvote:
Pin sees my action as scummy in relation to the flip regardless of which way the flip goes.In post 388, pinturicchio wrote:So in case STW is scum, URAP2's unvote means "oh shit this got way too dangerous", and if STW is town, then URAP2's unvote means "oh shit this got way too dangerous". Perfect.
And second,
Spoiler: spoiled for space
Pintu argues in the first quote that if my vote is for pressure it's scummy because it's fence sitting
And in the second quote he argues that if my vote is because of a scum read then that is scummy because it would "at least be understandable" if I "just want to put some pressure on the slot"
Either of these arguments would be less revealing in a vacuum, but in my experience when a player gets to the point that their fos looks scummy from every possible angle, that player is town that has lost their way.
I also don't think I've ever been less than clear about my reasoning for voting pintu, regardless of what some would like to believe. Here is my vote on pintu
So that points to pintu townIn post 217, u r a person 2 wrote:I've also noticed pintu promising a catch up, and I've been watching to see if he was going to follow through. I guess it's been long enough to plop a vote there.
VOTE: Pintu
That same post reads town to me from a basic meta perspective. I've played one game with scum!pintu and zero with town!pintu and he felt reasonable, almost conservative in his stances in a way that contrasts with the certainty and bravado(wordchoice fail) of his catchup
So I don't like the push, and I wouldn't recommend sheeping pintu, but he feels town.
VOTE: unvote
I've gone and found myself with too many town reads, and that was something I was trying to avoid having happen in my early game.
@Pintu How do you feel about T&L? I think that's the next slot for me to revist.In post 964, u r a person 2 wrote:
I thought he was tunneling on me really hard (there's a big post in my iso all about this read you should look at, says pintu right at the top) in a way that I've seen town do far more often than not. Since then he hasn't really tunneled me which mitigates that read, but at the same time I haven't seen anything to give me an active scum read, so still townIn post 928, Almost Chara wrote:
While I'm not ready to go all-in on pintu, this is the only read on your list I need to request an explanation for. Thank you.In post 868, u r a person 2 wrote:7. pinturucchio town
~A50
As you can see, I've been somewhat ambivalent for quite some time. There were also a couple of posts by others about scum!pintu that I've come to consider more persuasive over time.In post 1113, u r a person 2 wrote:
@taly i thought pintu had unvoted me, but i guess not.In post 889, pinturicchio wrote:URAP2 has townied it up a lot since my first pushing attempt, and I'm not as convinced as I was before; however, I still see some inconsistencies and I can't let go the things I pointed out before about him.
remembering that what he pointed out was that i jumped off an early wagon on a town read of his, and noting the "has townied it up a lot" word choice, it's odd
it could be pintu scum, but scum!pintu seemed more in tune with the player base last game i played. i dont understand the strat he has here, and i think scum!pintu has a plan
Also what I said in the post you just quoted.
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I expected no based off of your commentary in 755, but also some sort of clarification on engagement or activity. I thought your response was in line with what I expected. In terms of "open-ended", I was open to however you wanted to interpret it, though saying yes would be kind of a tonal shift off of what you already said so would require some follow-up or reasoning for me to verify. IIRC, you weren't appearing as much as Brass at that point which is why I wanted to get an answer from you then.In post 1537, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
YoIn post 1121, Mewtaph wrote:Okay, so here's an expansion of the thought I briefed at the beginning of my 965 - Alchemist has shown themselves to be a competent player in that he appeared active during and after RVS and easily adjusted into a neutral mediator role between Shoshin the worst and Varsoon. He takes multiple opportunities early on to appear present in the thread that seems crafted to achieve nothing but a sense of activity and general noise, but unlike other offenders of this act, shows that they have no particular interest in trying to wrangle active thread control, staying separated from those willing to fight each other over it. Town has no reason to engage with this type of engagement which allows presence but allows for separation from the events taking place for 20 posts, especially when they decide to make 204, which is a fairly analytical post to sort somebody as town using logic, right?
Except after Alchemist's ISO #0 to #20, he starts to move away from the early dispute and the problem is that his first post (204) in doing so feels artificial because when directly questioned, he points to the post as a reason to follow him as being town. 297 was disconnected from his original line of thought in 204 that I question if he actually thought of it in the first place. In sum, they've taken multiple stances but have retracted those stances to the point where he's been able to keep his options wide open outside of Varsoon/STW/Mephisto which are easy lynches to strike out as scum, while offering the overall illusion of coinciding ideas of being engaged and sorting the game state out, while failing to achieve either in any way that I believe in.
I could be wrong, but I'm comfortable with the rationale for my vote.
I want a reason for why you asked me how I read myself with no anticipated answer. That's a question people with pre-existing notions on the subject ask.
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