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Post Post #1550 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:53 am

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Votecount 1.14

Shoshin the worst(4)
~ (170), (45), (128), (17)

Mewtaph(3)
~ (71), (293), (93)
pinturicchio(2)
~ (109), (116)
jjh927(2)
~ (65), (111)
u r a person 2(1)
~ (45)
Kokichi Oma(1)
~ (238)


Not Voting (1): (11)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-17 04:00:38)


MOD REMINDERSpinturicchio needs a prod. The last post was at: 1/12/2019 9:31:00 PM which was 2 days 19 hours 21 minutes 16 seconds ago. -- might be on health V/LA
Taly needs a prod. The last post was at: 1/12/2019 6:04:00 PM which was 2 days 22 hours 48 minutes 16 seconds ago.

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Post Post #1551 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:55 am

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Any chance of a deadline extension while we've got multiple prods out like that?


Anyway, folks, we've got about 27 hours.
C'mon and slam.

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Post Post #1552 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:57 am

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Yeah I could use an extension for catching up

Back from roleplaying and pretty tired tbh so not doing it now, but I have a day off tomorrow
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Post Post #1553 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:08 pm

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I will grant a 6 hour extension so the new deadline will be in (expired on 2019-01-17 04:00:38).
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Post Post #1554 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:08 pm

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VOTE: Mewtaph
Not going to vanity wagon this.
Also not sure how much free time either of us have before end of day.
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Post Post #1555 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:10 pm

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In post 1553, Krazy wrote:I will grant a 6 hour extension so the new deadline will be in (expired on 2019-01-17 04:00:38).
I appreciate it.
If we end up needing a replacement on anyone, would we get 48 hours+ for that replacement to catchup/post?

I hope Pint's doing okay...

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Post Post #1556 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:20 pm

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We are running down the wire of time and here I am doing job interviews and letting Gamma take the lead.

VOTE: Mewtaph
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Post Post #1557 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:58 pm

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vote shoshin
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1558 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:21 pm

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Mewtaph's going to flip town.
Vote Shoshin.
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Post Post #1559 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:27 pm

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So are we....
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Post Post #1560 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:59 pm

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:/
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Post Post #1561 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:59 pm

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In post 1547, Krazy wrote:Mine
In post 1548, Krazy wrote:More
In post 1549, Krazy wrote:Minerals
Could you please spam these posts 24/7?

It would really help create an immersive starcraft experience
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Post Post #1562 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:01 pm

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In post 1550, Krazy wrote:
Votecount 1.14

Shoshin the worst(4)
~ (170), (45), (128), (17)

Mewtaph(3)
~ (71), (293), (93)
pinturicchio(2)
~ (109), (116)
jjh927(2)
~ (65), (111)
u r a person 2(1)
~ (45)
Kokichi Oma(1)
~ (238)


Not Voting (1): (11)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-17 04:00:38)


MOD REMINDERSpinturicchio needs a prod. The last post was at: 1/12/2019 9:31:00 PM which was 2 days 19 hours 21 minutes 16 seconds ago. -- might be on health V/LA
Taly needs a prod. The last post was at: 1/12/2019 6:04:00 PM which was 2 days 22 hours 48 minutes 16 seconds ago.

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I'd jump to a pintu wagon if it started forming

I don't want a stw lynch today
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Post Post #1563 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:01 pm

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oops quote =/
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Post Post #1564 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:52 pm

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Why do you even want a pintu wagon other than he's not present in the thread?
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Post Post #1565 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:54 pm

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In post 1544, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 1534, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1531, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 993, Shoshin the worst wrote:I think it's just Mewtaph and Taly atm but it does not make any sense to me, either.
Looks like it was just Mew tbh. I don't know what their shared meta is rn, Mew/Alchemist care to elucidate me?
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I don’t think I’ve played with Mew before.
Ah, so he isn’t even basing his bad read on meta. His insistence in pushing you for reasons which make 0 sense to me, reads off to me.
I'm not playing in any games with you after this tbh, so you can stick "meta" up your ass.
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Post Post #1566 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:02 pm

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In post 1564, Mewtaph wrote:Why do you even want a pintu wagon other than he's not present in the thread?
I'm doing my best not to let his absence change my read

but my reads elsewhere have evolved, mainly on stw, proflavor and strengthening of a couple town reads

and pintu's scum equity has increased as a consequence

why do you seem hostile to the idea of moving the wagon off of you and onto someone else?
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Post Post #1567 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:03 pm

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or is it you don't want pintu as a competing wagon?
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Post Post #1568 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:04 pm

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Seriously dude? Do you want to answer you or not?
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Post Post #1569 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:06 pm

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lol, I don't want to put you out or anything

but yeah, I'd take answers
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Post Post #1570 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:08 pm

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In post 1566, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1564, Mewtaph wrote:Why do you even want a pintu wagon other than he's not present in the thread?
I'm doing my best not to let his absence change my read

but my reads elsewhere have evolved, mainly on stw, proflavor and strengthening of a couple town reads

and pintu's scum equity has increased as a consequence

why do you seem hostile to the idea of moving the wagon off of you and onto someone else?
Can you point me to where the basis of your scumread on pintu lies if it isn't for activity?
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Post Post #1571 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:14 pm

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A post link would suffice...?
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Post Post #1572 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:16 pm

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In post 428, u r a person 2 wrote:okay, Pintu

I think Pintu's read on Varsoon is fine. Easily in both pintu ranges.

Pintu's case on me boils down to fence sitting and jumping off the stw wagon.

Fine. I've been unsure of myself all game due to hydras, experience between other players, etc. And I did get off STW's wagon. That's a fact.

What I've been digesting is the all-encompassing nature of Pin's read. Consider first the unvote:
In post 388, pinturicchio wrote:So in case STW is scum, URAP2's unvote means "oh shit this got way too dangerous", and if STW is town, then URAP2's unvote means "oh shit this got way too dangerous". Perfect.
Pin sees my action as scummy in relation to the flip regardless of which way the flip goes.

And second,
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In post 388, pinturicchio wrote:URAP2's move is again sketchy, 'cause I assume his vote was not because he's scumreading me, but for pressure so I get here and post. Basically, fencesitting once again: "I'm going to focus on the player who's not playing instead of playing with the rest".
In post 388, pinturicchio wrote:Saying "I'm willing to believe he's disengaged, although his rvs post did seem excited to play" is, then again, fabricating some kind of stance to make his vote on me valid, instead of just saying "nah dawg I got nothing on him I just want to put some pressure on the slot", which would be at least understandable.

Pintu argues in the first quote that if my vote is for pressure it's scummy because it's fence sitting

And in the second quote he argues that if my vote is because of a scum read then that is scummy because it would "at least be understandable" if I "just want to put some pressure on the slot"

Either of these arguments would be less revealing in a vacuum, but in my experience when a player gets to the point that their fos looks scummy from every possible angle, that player is town that has lost their way.

I also don't think I've ever been less than clear about my reasoning for voting pintu, regardless of what some would like to believe. Here is my vote on pintu
In post 217, u r a person 2 wrote:I've also noticed pintu promising a catch up, and I've been watching to see if he was going to follow through. I guess it's been long enough to plop a vote there.

VOTE: Pintu
So that points to pintu town

That same post reads town to me from a basic meta perspective. I've played one game with scum!pintu and zero with town!pintu and he felt reasonable, almost conservative in his stances in a way that contrasts with the certainty and bravado(wordchoice fail) of his catchup

So I don't like the push, and I wouldn't recommend sheeping pintu, but he feels town.

VOTE: unvote
I've gone and found myself with too many town reads, and that was something I was trying to avoid having happen in my early game.

@Pintu How do you feel about T&L? I think that's the next slot for me to revist.
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In post 928, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 868, u r a person 2 wrote:7. pinturucchio town
While I'm not ready to go all-in on pintu, this is the only read on your list I need to request an explanation for. Thank you.

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I thought he was tunneling on me really hard (there's a big post in my iso all about this read you should look at, says pintu right at the top) in a way that I've seen town do far more often than not. Since then he hasn't really tunneled me which mitigates that read, but at the same time I haven't seen anything to give me an active scum read, so still town
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In post 889, pinturicchio wrote:URAP2 has townied it up a lot since my first pushing attempt, and I'm not as convinced as I was before; however, I still see some inconsistencies and I can't let go the things I pointed out before about him.
@taly i thought pintu had unvoted me, but i guess not.

remembering that what he pointed out was that i jumped off an early wagon on a town read of his, and noting the "has townied it up a lot" word choice, it's odd

it could be pintu scum, but scum!pintu seemed more in tune with the player base last game i played. i dont understand the strat he has here, and i think scum!pintu has a plan
As you can see, I've been somewhat ambivalent for quite some time. There were also a couple of posts by others about scum!pintu that I've come to consider more persuasive over time.

Also what I said in the post you just quoted.

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Post Post #1573 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:22 pm

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Ok, I understand now.
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Post Post #1574 (ISO) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:41 pm

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In post 1537, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 1121, Mewtaph wrote:Okay, so here's an expansion of the thought I briefed at the beginning of my - Alchemist has shown themselves to be a competent player in that he appeared active during and after RVS and easily adjusted into a neutral mediator role between Shoshin the worst and Varsoon. He takes multiple opportunities early on to appear present in the thread that seems crafted to achieve nothing but a sense of activity and general noise, but unlike other offenders of this act, shows that they have no particular interest in trying to wrangle active thread control, staying separated from those willing to fight each other over it. Town has no reason to engage with this type of engagement which allows presence but allows for separation from the events taking place for 20 posts, especially when they decide to make , which is a fairly analytical post to sort somebody as town using logic, right?

Except after Alchemist's ISO #0 to #20, he starts to move away from the early dispute and the problem is that his first post () in doing so feels artificial because when directly questioned, he points to the post as a reason to follow him as being town. was disconnected from his original line of thought in that I question if he actually thought of it in the first place. In sum, they've taken multiple stances but have retracted those stances to the point where he's been able to keep his options wide open outside of Varsoon/STW/Mephisto which are easy lynches to strike out as scum, while offering the overall illusion of coinciding ideas of being engaged and sorting the game state out, while failing to achieve either in any way that I believe in.

I could be wrong, but I'm comfortable with the rationale for my vote.
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I want a reason for why you asked me how I read myself with no anticipated answer. That's a question people with pre-existing notions on the subject ask.
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I expected no based off of your commentary in , but also some sort of clarification on engagement or activity. I thought your response was in line with what I expected. In terms of "open-ended", I was open to however you wanted to interpret it, though saying yes would be kind of a tonal shift off of what you already said so would require some follow-up or reasoning for me to verify. IIRC, you weren't appearing as much as Brass at that point which is why I wanted to get an answer from you then.
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