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1. "Stretch Your Mind" is a poor "scum-tell", and I recall you even saying you were goofing around about it earlier. Their "we have no meta" is icky, but the way I interpreted it is that they don't have a meta as a cohesive single-unit (not either head individually) and that wasn't even their only defense against the presented scum-tell, so gives me some cherry-picking feels.In post 461, Varsoon wrote:@Michael Slott:The appeals they made while I was pushing them were not the kind of appeals that I associate with town.
The whole 'stretch your mind' appeal is one that I've only seen them make as scum.
When confronted with this piece of meta that wasn't even all that damning, their defense was to handwave that the hydra has no meta, which isn't really an argument that I'd see either Shoshin or TW making, as town, when confronted this way.
They produced a Taly scumread when under pressure, but when asked to elaborate on that scumread, they failed to be able to do so and instead defaulted to a position that I hard scumread--that they have some sort of info/tell that they can't share and are waiting to reveal. This is a scum position because they can just either; 1. Come up with a convenient lie later, once they've had time to think on it and Taly has more content or 2. They can just never reveal it if people forget about it.
The way they handled my pressure in regards to the Taly scumread isn't forthright as Shoshin usually is as town and reads as scummy to me.
Since then, they've largely done nothing of note and seem to have basically taken my pressure on them as an excuse to duck out for a 'cooling off' period where they can let suspicion on them subside/die entirely. Town doesn't do this, in my experience.
Their resistance re:signing isn't something that I townread.
How they handled the signing thing isn't something I see coming from a town mindset, either. Obviously, there's the WIFOM that stubborn town just wouldn't concede to signing or that scum wouldn't back down to try to seem like stubborn town or that backing down would be survivalist from a scum PoV but honestly
I just don't like it.
Couple that with people finding a lot of quick reasons to wagon someone who had, up to that point, phoned in pretty easy-to-attack play and the general way the wagon was abandoned and I can come to one of two conclusions:
1. STW slot is scum.
2. If not, STW slot isn't playing in a pro-town manner and had scum on their wagon.
Out of all of the players in the game, STW has the most amount of content that I scumread, so I'll be keeping my vote there and still working for a lynch there. The natural discrediting tactic that you're going to see happen is that scum will try to call this a tunnel, despite me being engaged with other slots, reading the game, and trying to figure it out beyond STW. They'll try to act like having a scumread you want to get lynched is a tunnel, somehow, and therefore unlikely to produce a flip on scum; it's important that you know this is absolutely a discrediting tactic and dismiss it as such.
2. WRT the Taly thing, I went back and read it - You're saying that only scum would hold a belief that they'd hold back on explaining a read to see if it solidifies based on certain behaviours. While I can see the scum motivation for it, it definitely is valid as a scumhunting method - so I argue there's town motivation here too. Even "cooling off" - it could simply come from frustrated!them.
3. The not-signing thing isn't really a reason to scumread them, I believe. You do seem to agree on this.
4. About your prediction of them calling it a tunnel - I don't see why only scum would call it a tunnel, unless you have evidence they were just doing that without rebutting attacks and scumhunting elsewhere, this shouldn't lend them any scum equity.
5. Wagon composition - Your conclusions are pretty obvious, of course FYPOV they're scum or "not pro-town" town, there's no evidence that the former's more probable.
6. You also accuse them of wanting to lynch Kokichi later - given Kokichi's meta and his play, I think it's fine that they wanted to.
I'm not townreading them yet, but I'm pretty sure they're a bad lynch.
~J