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Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:57 am

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In post 1759, Shoshin the worst wrote:Chara, why jjh?
why? it's Nico slot. i'm not sure if he'll be the lynch today though, and i don't mind getting more AI info out of him.
planning on moving my vote but the "where" is the problem for me.
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Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:01 am

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I'm struggling with where as well. We have like 12 hours left.
If I was a vig I'd be vigging ProFlavor because I don't think I have the energy levels/charisma to push through that lynch. Taly would be great too but I don't think I'm getting the support. Mewtaph I'm a little colder on. Kokichi is obvscum but I'm getting yelled at for voting him. jjh is my least preferred thru sheer inactivity. it's a compromise I'll do but still a compromise.
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Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:01 am

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townread on Taly has gotten a little stale, speaking of.
hopefully we can explore that tomorrow.
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Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:03 am

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It's not the only bit of umbrage I took with how ya'll have been approaching the game.
OF COURSE I'm going to be hyper-critical of your slot; you both just pulled a fucking win on me in a game where neither of you should've and I folded over on my judgment because I figured, "Fuck me, I can be wrong sometimes, I'm probably wrong here; everyone's telling me I'm wrong, I shouldn't die on this mountain."

And OF COURSE you're going to both be hyper-aware of how you JUST PLAYED in SC1, since there's so many people here who are coming from that game.

I really can't townread how either of you have played; both as a unit and as individuals here. It's too calculated, too posturing, too 'have an answer for everything'. I don't like how the wagons have interacted in regards to the early buildup on you, the slough off, and how hard it's been to reignite a wagon on you. It's wild. It just doesn't feel right to me.

There's a lot of things, but end of the day, I've got a lot of confident townreads and you're my most confident scumread.
S'why I'm stuck on you like this.
Sorry if I fucked up or got tilted.

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Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:03 am

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Why would you shoot proflavor?
I've really liked their posts.

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Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:08 am

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VOTE: Kokichi Oma
he can do better and hasn't. i've decided being bad isn't good enough when i've seen him have much higher-level thinking, regardless of how right or wrong it is. the read on me is very ballsy and i townread it, but it's also incredibly shallow and could be forced.
STW i need more time on. sorry Varsoon. (conditional apology that only applies if they're scum.)
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Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:11 am

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I think my issues with them are well documented. They're also pocketing you and fmpov it's reasonably transparent.
When they double down on reads they like... consistently make nearly no sense.

Particularly wrt flavor they're more focused on oozing charisma than actually looking at the thread logically
That's not a slot I trust at all, and it feels like they think I should which is pinging me harder.



Just a side note but by the metric above, you will scumread us going into this game 100% of the time. Idrc if you wake up tomorrow and vig us or if we eat a night kill atm because I feel ok about the solve we're looking at. but I guess this is something to muse about post-game?

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Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:11 am

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In post 1752, Shoshin the worst wrote:{STW}
{Varsoon} - either conftown or obvscum. no one forget this ever.
{Meph39}
{Tibor and Lumia}
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{u r a person 2, Almost Chara}
{Michael Scott}

untiered PoE
{ProFlavor, Kokichi, jjh927, Mewtaph, Taly}

will lynch anyone in this pool unless convinced otherwise.
Not lynching Taly. I have a hard gut townread on him and think Kokichi is probably a mislynch.

Talk to me about Eraserhead.



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jjh
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Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:12 am

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In post 1773, Shoshin the worst wrote:Brass straight up why are you voting us?
The VC has legitimately two viable lynches at this point, you or jjh. You and Varsoon have been bickering the entirety of day 1 and that's a distraction.

I don't have a particularly strong read either way on jjh right now.

Therefore, your lynch is, in my view, a better option, regardless of how well the worst and I get along.

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Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:13 am

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I realise there's a nil chance of getting a Taly lynch across the line today.
Otherwise our reads are fairly similar. Why do you think Kokichi is a mislynch tho?

and which one's Eraserhead?
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Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:13 am

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In post 1783, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 1773, Shoshin the worst wrote:Brass straight up why are you voting us?
The VC has legitimately two viable lynches at this point, you or jjh. You and Varsoon have been bickering the entirety of day 1 and that's a distraction.

I don't have a particularly strong read either way on jjh right now.

Therefore, your lynch is, in my view, a better option, regardless of how well the worst and I get along.

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Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:14 am

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Nah. man, just fuckin' lay down an indisputable towngame, STW. That's all you had to do. But you came in here and scummed it up.

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Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:17 am

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In post 1776, Shoshin the worst wrote:I'm struggling with where as well. We have like 12 hours left.
If I was a vig I'd be vigging ProFlavor because I don't think I have the energy levels/charisma to push through that lynch. Taly would be great too but I don't think I'm getting the support. Mewtaph I'm a little colder on. Kokichi is obvscum but I'm getting yelled at for voting him. jjh is my least preferred thru sheer inactivity. it's a compromise I'll do but still a compromise.
Why is Taly scum?

And how is Kokichi “obvscum” opposed to just bad town?

Why is once again no one listening to me, that jjh/Nico is very likely scum here? :facepalm:
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Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:18 am

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In post 1785, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 1783, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 1773, Shoshin the worst wrote:Brass straight up why are you voting us?
The VC has legitimately two viable lynches at this point, you or jjh. You and Varsoon have been bickering the entirety of day 1 and that's a distraction.

I don't have a particularly strong read either way on jjh right now.

Therefore, your lynch is, in my view, a better option, regardless of how well the worst and I get along.

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I will do this, because it would be a decent lynch, but keep in mind I am going to sleep at about 10 EST, lynch achieved or no lynch. If this does not look viable, I am just going back to choosing a viable wagon because a lynch is better than a no lynch. No promises that it is not yours if this does not pan out to be viable.

VOTE: Kokichi

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Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:18 am

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Sell me on jjh>koki? (bussing atm)

@Vars I think I'm fairly outside my scumrange IDK about head#1
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Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:19 am

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In post 1745, Varsoon wrote:Why's JJH a better wagon now?

Also, I could drop like 20 scumtells right now, want me to?
Tells are garbage, meta's unreliable in forum mafia, etc. etc.
I'm the dude that got banned for making it reliable
You think people would listen to me on that point

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Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:19 am

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In post 1787, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 1776, Shoshin the worst wrote:I'm struggling with where as well. We have like 12 hours left.
If I was a vig I'd be vigging ProFlavor because I don't think I have the energy levels/charisma to push through that lynch. Taly would be great too but I don't think I'm getting the support. Mewtaph I'm a little colder on. Kokichi is obvscum but I'm getting yelled at for voting him. jjh is my least preferred thru sheer inactivity. it's a compromise I'll do but still a compromise.
Why is Taly scum?

And how is Kokichi “obvscum” opposed to just bad town?

Why is once again no one listening to me, that jjh/Nico is very likely scum here? :facepalm:
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Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:19 am

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In post 1788, Tibor and Lumia wrote:because a lynch is better than a no lynch. No promises that it is not yours if this does not pan out to be viable.
^ valid & agreed
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Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:19 am

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In post 1791, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 1787, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 1776, Shoshin the worst wrote:I'm struggling with where as well. We have like 12 hours left.
If I was a vig I'd be vigging ProFlavor because I don't think I have the energy levels/charisma to push through that lynch. Taly would be great too but I don't think I'm getting the support. Mewtaph I'm a little colder on. Kokichi is obvscum but I'm getting yelled at for voting him. jjh is my least preferred thru sheer inactivity. it's a compromise I'll do but still a compromise.
Why is Taly scum?

And how is Kokichi “obvscum” opposed to just bad town?

Why is once again no one listening to me, that jjh/Nico is very likely scum here? :facepalm:
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Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:19 am

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i don't hate the jjh lynch at all (in fact it might be my second preference after all) but i want to see him catch up. i think a contentful dead scum is more useful than a contentless one. and jjh could also end up town.

Kokichi is definitely being lynchbaity, but in the game where he was scum he was also not playing that strongly and we all kind of let him coast. i don't like to directly compare 1 game because meta isn't really like that, but it's enough that i'm not comfortable dismissing him as lynchbait.

this is either lazy Kokichi or scum Kokichi, because town Kokichi is a completely different kind of lynchbait. by that i mean he's fun.
if this is lazy Kokichi, i don't feel bad about the mislynch. and i believe he has a better than random chance of being scum due to how he's seemed 100% confident in every stance he's taken so far.
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Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:20 am

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In post 1784, Shoshin the worst wrote:I realise there's a nil chance of getting a Taly lynch across the line today.
Otherwise our reads are fairly similar. Why do you think Kokichi is a mislynch tho?

and which one's Eraserhead?
Good because I think Taly’s town.

Because his (Kokichi’s) posts don’t read fake to me, like they do when he’s scum. It’s not a superstrong read but I think he’s more likely to be a mislynch than not, at this point.

Eraserhead=ProFlavor
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Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:21 am

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i also don't think Kokichi's bad, for the record. i realize being lynchbaity had a negative connotation but i've enjoyed a lot of games with him. more accurate would be "can attract negative attention".
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Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:26 am

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I just came in to say I am following the game still (but not to the tiniest details, mind you) and I
fully embrace the Kokichi lynch
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Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:27 am

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In post 1789, Shoshin the worst wrote:Sell me on jjh>koki? (bussing atm)

@Vars I think I'm fairly outside my scumrange IDK about head#1
In post 1790, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1745, Varsoon wrote:Why's JJH a better wagon now?

Also, I could drop like 20 scumtells right now, want me to?
Tells are garbage, meta's unreliable in forum mafia, etc. etc.
I'm the dude that got banned for making it reliable
You think people would listen to me on that point

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Make your case.

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In Labrynth, town!Nico doubled and tripled down that she was a “flip-based” player and didn’t vote on D1 and then she puts a naked vote on Stw, before replacing out. What has jjh done here that is townie?

Scum!Nico also placed on RVS vote on RR, due to some game-related vendetta, never moved it and then replaced out. Plus there was the whole AtE about her being upset about being “shanghaid” into the game. Perhaps, her Baa bah blacksheep thing was even a possible scumclaim? She actually crumbs as scum, seriously.

jjh’s entrance didn’t exactly give me townie vibes either.
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Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:29 am

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I'll just shoot that slot tomorrow, then.

People are trying to swing a deadline lynch onto Kokichi while there's no outstanding votes on the wagon.
It's not going to go through.
Compromise onto STW or a wagon that's already got votes, please.
Otherwise, we get no lynch.


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