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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:55 am

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So the first and most important thing you need to realize to see that Thespio is scum is that he just isn't playing his towngame here. Might sound like circular reasoning, but it's not. Let's review his ISO this game to see what he did post, and more importantly the things he
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Here's a summary of my points:
  • He never had any real scumreads.
  • His votes (or rather, vote, singular) were (was) terrible with terrible reasoning, which I don't think is present in his towngame.
  • His activity was poor, and he didn't make good use of the small time that he
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  • His depth of thought was lacking compared to previous towngames.
1. No Real Scumreads


Unless you expect me to quote every post of his ISO there's not a great way for me to demonstrate this, so I encourage you – go read through his ISO. It's not long. Search for a real scumread, because you won't be able to find one. Now, some people might say rb, but rb wasn't a real scumread of his. He never calls rb scum and never brings him up outside of his initial vote.

Also, nobody ever makes a post like this about someone that they're scumreading:
In post 110, Thespio wrote:
In post 104, rb wrote:wow my opinions are facts imo
In post 106, rb wrote:wow what's wrong with it
Rb confuses me...
If he had unvoted while making this post, I would consider it genuine towny confusion. If he had mentioned in some future post "not sure what to think about rb", I wouldn't be making this point. He didn't. Even further, the posts that he quoted are really just rb being weird / goofy, so I don't think Thespio was even saying "Rb confuses me" in terms of his alignment – he was just joking around about those posts.

In fact, I titled this "no real scumreads", but Thespio didn't have any real reads period, town or scum.

This is pretty closely related to the next point, so:

2. Bad Vote


The rb vote is just not good. It's as simple as that. It's not good and it's not good in a way that is pretty easily scum indicative.
In post 73, Thespio wrote:
In post 68, rb wrote:wow wagons are fun imo VOTE: TTTTT
Youre a very eager beaver to lynch someone.
VOTE: RB
In post 75, Thespio wrote:
In post 74, rb wrote:y dat scummy tho
People who ride wagons for the sake of riding wagons are scummy imo, your reason sucks.
Notice how he doesn't even call rb scum, he just says "people who do the thing that you're doing are scummy". He never even says "you are scummy". The only direct statement he makes towards rb is "your reason sucks".
This is scum talking to someone they know is town.

3. Poor Activity


I looked into Thespio's soul. Maybe you should do some soul searching yourself?
In post 1, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
  • Use of Outside of Game Information is strictly prohibited. This includes alignment reads off of almost anything not a product of posts in thread, such as reports, online status or forum signature changes.
Anyways, Thespio had pretty weak thread presence during his time in this game, and he made
really
scum-indicative use of what time he did spend in the thread.

Let's look at everything he did between entering the thread on January 14th with and leaving after :

It's literally nothing but asking me why I think he's scum.

Now, don't get me wrong: that's a reasonable question to ask. The thing is, this happens a lot with me: scum get hyperfocused on hounding me for reasons why I think they're scum. Even apart from rule reasons, I was deliberately avoiding giving concrete answers just to see if Thespio would fall into this scum behavior. Town in this situation does
something
other than just asking me for reasons. They'd catch up and respond to posts they missed, they'd maybe give their thoughts on my own alignment for not giving a reason, they'd do
something
else. Thespio didn't.

That's a point to emphasize, too:
Thespio never once gave a read on me.


4. This isn't his Towngame


Let's look at Thepsio's last game before this one. The first thing I want you to do is just look at it. There's a really obvious just
visual
difference between his ISO here and there. Even beyond that, let's analyze. Let's take a look at just the sixth post of his ISO:
In post 89, Thespio wrote:So hear me out here, just want all your opinions on this, I’m currently scum leaning on RCE but assuming he is just saying I think we’re simmiliar then the most beneficial thing for teacher if he was scum would be for them to lean into this idea that they are similar, this would let him pick up a townie and he could attempt to shift suspicion off of their pocketed townie to gain their trust. At the time there wasn’t really any pressure on teacher so they didn’t have to worry about us flipping on them. But now teacher is trying to justify their interactions and even more he strait up says he thinks it’s weird how similar they are. Meanwhile I think the rest of us are like ‘wtf are they talking about?’

Currently feel this makes teacher scum and a hard lean with RCL
VOTE: Teacher
More reads in one post than in his entire ISO this game.

I think I've made my point. Thespio was a frozen wolf who just wasn't playing his scumgame.
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:55 am

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don't ever expect me to do this again btw

this is a special circumstance
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:56 am

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In post 474, Slaxx wrote:Mehhhh

I don’t like the too obvious argument. I don’t think it’s a scummy one, I just don’t agree with it.
Fair, I’m not saying he couldn’t be scum doing that with the obvious comment, it’s just it could have been done much smoother as scum, where this wouldn’t have necessarily been a topic of discussion.
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:00 am

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I think the first 3 points are just stating things that happened, and could be coming from town Thesp.

I think it’s a solid case, however.

4 especially, but I don’t necessarily think it makes him scum.

That is drastically different, but I have games where I’m just not able to put stuff together, and games where I have reads early and can make a case. Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:01 am

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In post 478, Flavor Leaf wrote:Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?
you can do whatever you want
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:01 am

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the first three points are pointing out things that happened that
are scum indicative
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:02 am

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the fourth point is the main one that the rest of the three are in the context of though, you're right
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:18 am

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In post 463, Slaxx wrote:Hey there, TTTT! I see you’re voting me! Why?

I don’t remember!

But you seemed really confident at the time!

Oh I was! Ruby will remember, she can explain it! Tell em how confident you are Ruby!


I mean... come on.
Not too bad but you messed up the ending just a bit.
Here's my version:

Hey there, TTTT! I see you’re voting me! Why?

I don’t remember!

But you seemed really confident at the time!

Oopsie-doodle, I don't remember why I voted you.

Meanwhile Ruby with cryptic post

Yeah I think I like my vote here
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:29 am

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In post 478, Flavor Leaf wrote:Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?
thank you FL
you have restored my memory!

I skimmed some of his ISOs from recent games (he's never been scum on MS btw)
and they looked NOTHING like this game
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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:30 am

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In post 411, Slaxx wrote:Weird combination of passive arbiter/scavenger type staying on the edge of discussion without really taking any stances or producing original thoughts and content.
You're wrong but ill put you as town as nobody else is giving reasons for their reads
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:31 am

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In post 484, stan1ey wrote:
In post 411, Slaxx wrote:Weird combination of passive arbiter/scavenger type staying on the edge of discussion without really taking any stances or producing original thoughts and content.
You're wrong but ill put you as town as nobody else is giving reasons for their reads
Wow, this looks like someone trying to get credit for a mislynch flipping town so hard. :lol:
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:35 am

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Meh. I can’t ask you to look past my replacement but I can’t really defend them either, so here we are.

If I do get rope,I don’t want Ruby taking heat for the lynch though, particularly now that she’s cased it out. Look for the vultures circling around it.
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:36 am

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In post 483, TTTT wrote:
In post 478, Flavor Leaf wrote:Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?
thank you FL
you have restored my memory!

I skimmed some of his ISOs from recent games (he's never been scum on MS btw)
and they looked NOTHING like this game
Lol.... okay. That doesn’t look remotely revisionist.
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:36 am

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Dont agree with Rubys case - this game has had a lot of NAI bickering and other nonsense, its pretty reasonable that he just hasnt made any scum reads yet and the game youre quoting was easier
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:36 am

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you're just wrong
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:37 am

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VOTE: Stan1ey
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:38 am

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like i try to operate on a higher level of dialogue here and make a huge case and pull out all these reasons and formatting but if this is the response i'm going to get then i'll just scream and scream to get lynches through

that's not something i want to do, someone already replaced out just because we disagreed over the meaning of a sentence
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:40 am

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Pull out something with some substance and it may work better
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:49 am

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yeah dude, totally no "substance" to that case

you can get policy lynched after thespio slot
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:50 am

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In post 493, Ruby Red wrote:yeah dude, totally no "substance" to that case

you can get policy lynched after thespio slot
Why do you say policy here? Why isn’t it scum aligned? How come that was completely glossed over as a possible outcome?
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:53 am

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The only thing you said of worth is that it isnt his town game but every game is different and you can make good reads or bad reads depending on who you play with, this game it seems everyone wants to make scum reads and votes without giving any reasons so ofc its harder
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:58 am

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In post 487, Slaxx wrote:
In post 483, TTTT wrote:
In post 478, Flavor Leaf wrote:Can we check some more Thespio town games to see if it’s a pattern of that?
thank you FL
you have restored my memory!

I skimmed some of his ISOs from recent games (he's never been scum on MS btw)
and they looked NOTHING like this game
Lol.... okay. That doesn’t look remotely revisionist.
I know
it looks scummy as hell
so you better flip red
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:03 am

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In post 369, stan1ey wrote:VOTE: or
In post 484, stan1ey wrote:
In post 411, Slaxx wrote:Weird combination of passive arbiter/scavenger type staying on the edge of discussion without really taking any stances or producing original thoughts and content.
You're wrong but ill put you as town as nobody else is giving reasons for their reads
In post 495, stan1ey wrote:The only thing you said of worth is that it isnt his town game but every game is different and you can make good reads or bad reads depending on who you play with, this game it seems everyone wants to make scum reads and votes without giving any reasons so ofc its harder
y
u
vote
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:27 am

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In post 494, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 493, Ruby Red wrote:yeah dude, totally no "substance" to that case

you can get policy lynched after thespio slot
Why do you say policy here? Why isn’t it scum aligned? How come that was completely glossed over as a possible outcome?
i call it a policy lynch because it would be more out of personal anger than any real reasons

although yeah i recognize there are real reasons
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:27 pm

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UNVOTE:

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