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Post Post #1825 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:01 am

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just caught up

VOTE: kochiki
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Post Post #1826 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:01 am

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I’m around for a bit
Assuming the vote is down to me but if FL turns up I’m around to discuss

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Post Post #1827 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:03 am

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In post 931, Almost Chara wrote:@pintu: Game aside, you know I love you like a brother, right? It was never my intention to add pressure on you IRL. If that happened accidentally, then I sincerely apologize.

Back to the game: I didn't call you out "for not having SRs" per se. That would be over-simplifying it. I called you out because your posts are mostly hollow and you have no reads.

If you had given me some TOWN reads with some sort of reasoning I would not have been too suspicious (and you did now in #889, so I think I'm feeling a bit better about you).

The thing is you're one of the most underestimated skillful players I know of. People don' pay much attention to you when
I know for a fact
you are most capable as either alignment, so when people pass you by and dismiss you just because you appear to be lurking or "innocently" being low effort I have to be a bit wary.

Anyway, top 3 lynch candidates for me are: Nico/Koki/Mewtaph. You know Chara has a weak town lean still on Nico (I've posted something in the PT that may or may not change their mind), and Mewtaph is actually a true null (which is a bit scummy because he usually does stuff, and I have been at the receiving end of his fury as TvT before).

So, Koki is a fine vote by me for now.

Oh, and also much respect to UR2 for redeeming himself in my eyes. I would be first to acknowledge I'm stubborn and it's hard to change my mind on someone I SR early on (unless there was a mechanical reason to change that read), so UR2 managing to do just that without a mechanical reason is impressive.

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I hope I would have read this like three days ago, what a wholesome post omg. I don't remember feeling pressured by you, A50, it is a personality trait of mine putting pressure on myself, so no one here was guilty of how I felt this days. Thank you man, this is really a great way to start reading the thread.

Your explanation of why you were (are?) suspicious of me is flawless: I usually try to be understimated when I'm scum indeed, so your suspect is justified 100%. Sadly, my lurking was mostly because of an IRL situation, so this is not the case. Town points for you for a really meaningful read on me when nobody else did.

About URAP2, I remember thinking he was redeeming himself too, and that Taly called me out for not going full bananas on the slot? I'll have to check that, but it felt weird. Should town!me have to be tunneled 'till the end of times on URAP2? Should I not reevaluate my reads?
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Post Post #1828 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:03 am

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In post 1825, u r a person 2 wrote:just caught up

VOTE: kochiki
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jjh is but no one is listening to me. :/
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We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)
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Post Post #1829 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:04 am

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In post 1828, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1825, u r a person 2 wrote:just caught up

VOTE: kochiki
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jjh is but no one is listening to me. :/
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Post Post #1830 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:08 am

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In post 943, Taly wrote:
@Pint


ISOing you, there's two distinctions in our reads.

Why are you paranoid about
Almost Chara
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And I'm not feeling the argument you had for
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Not feeling paranoid about A50 it's nearly impossible for me, 'cause I love his playstyle and that makes me have bad reads on him. That being said, I reread Jungle Republic where I was mafia and he was a Wolf and I realized I do know how to read him, since he was my most solid wolfread. Paranoia is no longer the best definition on that slot. I think they're town.
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Post Post #1831 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:16 am

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In post 1830, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 943, Taly wrote:
@Pint


ISOing you, there's two distinctions in our reads.

Why are you paranoid about
Almost Chara
?

And I'm not feeling the argument you had for
UP2
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Not feeling paranoid about A50 it's nearly impossible for me, 'cause I love his playstyle and that makes me have bad reads on him. That being said, I reread Jungle Republic where I was mafia and he was a Wolf and I realized I do know how to read him, since he was my most solid wolfread. Paranoia is no longer the best definition on that slot. I think they're town.
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Post Post #1832 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:18 am

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In post 948, Taly wrote: Everyone should actively engage with the people they've least engaged with.

That makes content less predictable and runs the game more smoothly without pages of the same shit going on.
In post 952, Taly wrote:
Alchemist
is someone I want to sort more.
In post 977, Taly wrote: VOTE: Alchemist21

I want
Alchemist
to reply to
I don't like this progression. First post I agree, but sounds like someone trying to be townread because of stating the obvious. Second and third post are ???; he wants to "actively engage" with Alchemist by voting him and saying "I want you to reply this"? I don't know if that qualifies as actively engaging.
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Post Post #1833 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:20 am

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In post 980, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since Gamma didn't do this.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Pintu

I don't remember this many fluff posts coming from him before.

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Post Post #1834 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:25 am

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@Nancy, I agree with you on Nico. But she's also not an easy sort and comparing meta directly from two games can give pretty dubious results. She doesn't always talk about being flip based etc. as town; jjh is an easier read than Nico and fmpov if he doesn't town it up d2 he will be our lynch.
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Post Post #1835 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:26 am

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In post 998, Alchemist21 wrote:Taly’s vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get a response from me. Mewtaph’s reason for keeping his was sketchy.
I don't agree. Taly's vote, followed by the "actively engaging" thingy is sketchy. I don't agree with Mewtaph's reasoning, but coming to the thread with his first read being on you as a scumread when everyone else was townreading you? I don't see the scum rationale from that. Your vote on him seemed OMGUSy to me.
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Post Post #1836 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:28 am

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In post 1000, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 977, Taly wrote:
In post 965, Mewtaph wrote: Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.
Good to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Are there any posts you want to have addressed in particular?

VOTE: Alchemist21

I want
Alchemist
to reply to
This post struck me as more pockety towards Mewtaph, actually. But yeah Mewtaph's reasoning is a trainwreck. I have no read on if it's t/s or s/s but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of these two flips red.
I don't understand how you were meant to reply to 952. lol.
Oh, this, basically.
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Post Post #1837 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:32 am

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In post 1019, Taly wrote:;) i got people talking about different things since the last 2 pages
Again, this feels like a "townread me" post.
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Post Post #1838 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:33 am

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I’ve only played with Taly a couple of times - he’s usually demands everyone interacts with him but he seems less demanding in this game

Not sure if that is AI

Pint seems more focussed

A50 seems less silly but that might be the hydra influence

Those are like my most notable differences but they are largely meaningless ha ha
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Post Post #1839 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:34 am

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Was expecting more from JJ - don’t think I’ve ever played with him so idk what it means
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Post Post #1840 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:35 am

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In post 1838, ProFlavor wrote:I’ve only played with Taly a couple of times - he’s usually demands everyone interacts with him but he seems less demanding in this game

Not sure if that is AI
Think about what he's actually done this game vs. that

tell me you don't have an AI read on it I dare you
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Post Post #1841 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:35 am

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In post 1025, Taly wrote:UNVOTE:

A bit more confident in
Alchemist
-town, not lynching this.

I'd like
Mew
to do something about their
"one vote/scumread+no push in the game at all"
thing they have going for their all-of-5-posts.

VOTE: pinturicchio

Next.
Ok, this makes more sense on how Taly's voting works, but it's weird that he choses me when I already stated in the thread that I was having problems with the game because of IRL things. There were another players who he said he wanted to sort that could've been a better push than me because I wouldn't have a chance to help him sort me.
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Post Post #1842 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:36 am

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In post 1839, ProFlavor wrote:Was expecting more from JJ - don’t think I’ve ever played with him so idk what it means
on a personal basis I can confirm jjh has been busier than normal irl lately
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Post Post #1843 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:38 am

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I just saw Ari scum and I don’t think this is scum play - I’ve never seen Nancy scum so idk 100% but I’m happy


I hate reading Koki when he posts so this is horrible

Alchemist, mew, u2 have fell off my radar

Varsoon mechanically not lynching today

I’d lynch Michael



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Post Post #1844 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am

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In post 1062, Taly wrote:because i dont have time to filter through pages and fully comprehend or read every bit of content in them?

and
vars
isnt sure of the lurker/scum-meta on
nico
, and im not either, so i dont see the validity of a scum argument there.

i dont trust most wagons at the moment, because there's MULTIPLE people being voted, and we're in a gamestate where people have said they have a lot of townreads but few else.

so pushing for
nico
lynch seems an easy out for scum if they're town.
I still have to read like 25 pages or so, but if the Nico lynch didn't happen, maybe it wasn't that easy so she's scum then? I see some Nico/Taly relation here.
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Post Post #1845 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am

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yeah Taly's flitting this game hasn't been as towny as it normally is

Chara I'd be keen to see your thoughts too--you townread him in supp2017 before TW realised he had to follow suit.
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Post Post #1846 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am

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In post 1838, ProFlavor wrote:Pint seems more focussed

A50 seems less silly but that might be the hydra influence
i'm liking both pint's catchup and his timing (especially the timing) a lot.
Almost is pretty silly in hydra too. sometimes less so because he doesn't tend to make any big plays without asking my opinion first.
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Post Post #1847 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:40 am

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In post 1842, Shoshin the worst wrote:
In post 1839, ProFlavor wrote:Was expecting more from JJ - don’t think I’ve ever played with him so idk what it means
on a personal basis I can confirm jjh has been busier than normal irl lately
jjh replaced Nico, right?
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Post Post #1848 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:40 am

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@PF is that fence comfortable?
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Post Post #1849 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:41 am

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In post 1846, Almost Chara wrote:pedit: would not lynch Michael, we can circle back to that discussion day 2.
+1 on this
I reevaluated both hydras just now and came to a net townread on Michael again
Auro I'm reasonably good at soulreading I think (except I >rand come out at scum, slightly) and volxen I'm fairly hit and miss with but I feel good about the good feeling I feel towards them rn
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