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Post Post #1900 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:54 pm

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I'll let you get your head into the game
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Post Post #1901 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:25 pm

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Hey, a time extension!

Be warned everything I said today when time seemed to be running out, will go again tomorrow.

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Post Post #1902 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:00 pm

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Finally you guys decide to wagon Kokichi. Yay!

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Post Post #1903 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:25 pm

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In post 1865, Shoshin the worst wrote:@urap2 notice anything uncomfortable about ProFlavor's reads?
BS reads list; starting to scumread that slot

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Post Post #1904 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:18 pm

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Stw and Kokichi are probably both town. :facepalm:
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Post Post #1905 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:20 pm

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Creature is town, just like Taly was.
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Post Post #1906 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:21 pm

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Scum is most likely in: jjh, Eraserhead, Mew.
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Post Post #1907 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:22 pm

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In post 1906, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Scum is most likely in: jjh, Eraserhead, Mew.
But of couse, I’m probably once again right and not get listened too. :facepalm:
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Post Post #1908 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:24 pm

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In post 1888, pinturicchio wrote:Flavor Leaf coming to the thread after an eternity to unvote Mewtaph when he was at L-1: good timing. If he was scum and Mew was town, he could've waited and said he was townreading Mew after the mislynch.
Either Flavor is scum with Mew
, or Flavor is town. The latter is much more likely.
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Post Post #1909 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:28 pm

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In post 1863, Shoshin the worst wrote:if Michael Scott is scum the world is a very ugly place
No, probably wrong town just like you guys for not listening to me.

Creature is town and Kokichi, probably town.
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Post Post #1910 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:31 pm

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In post 1869, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 1116, Taly wrote:
Town, not listing the order of strength OR confidence here

Almost Chara
Mephisto
STW
Varsoon
T&L
URAP2
Alchemist

Sorting

Mew
Pint
Proflavor
Michael Scott
Nicorobin
Kokichi


Not behind a
Nico/Koki
lynch unless there's either a better meta argument, or until they post more so I can evaluate them enough to have a lynch decision on.
Here again: why not including me in the "not behind a x-lynch" if he thinks I have not that much sortable posts? Why not pushing Michael or Proflavor who were more active than me?
Scum!Taly day doesn’t make this readslist and both he and Creature are obvtown here.
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Post Post #1911 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:34 pm

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In post 1834, Shoshin the worst wrote:@Nancy, I agree with you on Nico. But she's also not an easy sort and comparing meta directly from two games can give pretty dubious results. She doesn't always talk about being flip based etc. as town; jjh is an easier read than Nico and fmpov if he doesn't town it up d2 he will be our lynch.
It just seems silly to me to lynch Kokichi over jjh/Nico, when that slot has much greater scum equity and Creature/Taly is town here, so remove them from your POE.
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Post Post #1912 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:46 pm

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No chance Creature is leaving my PoE until he's produced some town indicative content and both of our heads are happy with it - I also want to hear something from Chara before we go down this rabbit hole to be comfortable. Like I said we're not wagoning Taly/Creature today. That's the most I can give you.

Do you think the scumteam is genuinely just straight up those 3? I can...kinda not see a reason to think it's WRONG I just don't feel like we're close enough to a 100% solve when I don't trust either Kokichi or Creature's slot.
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Post Post #1913 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:50 pm

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In post 1912, Shoshin the worst wrote:No chance Creature is leaving my PoE until he's produced some town indicative content and both of our heads are happy with it - I also want to hear something from Chara before we go down this rabbit hole to be comfortable. Like I said we're not wagoning Taly/Creature today. That's the most I can give you.

Do you think the scumteam is genuinely just straight up those 3? I can...kinda not see a reason to think it's WRONG I just don't feel like we're close enough to a 100% solve when I don't trust either Kokichi or Creature's slot.
I hard townread Taly and Creature’s entrance just locks it in for me. Scum!Creature never adamantly defends himself like that. *lightly smacks TW for not seeing that* :lol:
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Post Post #1914 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:51 pm

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In post 1912, Shoshin the worst wrote:No chance Creature is leaving my PoE until he's produced some town indicative content and both of our heads are happy with it - I also want to hear something from Chara before we go down this rabbit hole to be comfortable. Like I said we're not wagoning Taly/Creature today. That's the most I can give you.

Do you think the scumteam is genuinely just straight up those 3? I can...kinda not see a reason to think it's WRONG I just don't feel like we're close enough to a 100% solve when I don't trust either Kokichi or Creature's slot.

Doubting my earlier Pint read.

us
Creature
AC
Alchemist
Stw
Bono
MS
Varsoon
T & L
Kokichi

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Pint
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Post Post #1915 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:54 pm

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In post 1896, Creature wrote:ffs I didn't rand scum
Scum!Creature never makes this post and I was hard townreading Taly before that anyway.

Both you (Stw) and MS are ignoring nuances, in favour of meta.

Kokichi is usually more active as scum.
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Post Post #1916 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:12 pm

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In post 1855, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 1848, Shoshin the worst wrote:@PF is that fence comfortable?
I know

I was gonna do this then loads of pedits to read

Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) - would
Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) - nah
Varsoon nah
Almost Chara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) nah
Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) would
Kokichi Oma - nah
Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) nah
jjh927 nicorobin - reluctantly if we have to
Mewtaph - if FL wants to
alchemist21 - probably not
ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) - hallelujah
u r a person 2 - if FL wants to
pinturicchio nah
Taly nah


Would lynch
Nah - wouldn’t lynch
If FL wants to = if he is confident with his read, I’m not so he can trump me


Sometimes a game feels like it’s going towards a day 1 scum lynch - I feel like this game was doing that @ STW and now it’s not because everything is so unclear to me - this means a vocal player has probably muddied the waters enough which just circles me back round to wanting to lynch STW

This is all

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Btw
This is a BS lynch list, there are 13 other slots besides your own and the only two slots you would even consider lynching unreluctantly are STW's slot and our slot? I don't buy that this solve comes from town!you.

I think you may just be hard pocketing Varsoon (who I think is town) with your tunnel on STW (who I also think is town). It's also interesting how you were on the initial STW wagon, then you joined the URAP2 wagon when STW's wagon fell apart, and now you are back on STW's wagon once again. In fact you and Pint (who I'm also skeptical of) were the two common denominators between the early STW wagon (which got up to 6 votes) and the early URAP2 wagon (which got up to 4 votes):
In post 175, Krazy wrote:Votecount 1.3
Shoshin the worst(6) ~
pinturicchio(3)
, Tibor and Lumia(8), u r a person 2(7),
ProFlavor(6)
, Varsoon(38), Alchemist21(21)
Taly(1) ~ Shoshin the worst(24)
Alchemist21(1) ~ Mewtaph(1)


Not Voting (6): Mephistophanes 39(34), Almost Chara(4), Michael Scott(6), Kokichi Oma(6), NicoRobin(2), Taly(6)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:06:24)
In post 500, Krazy wrote:Votecount 1.6
u r a person 2(4) ~ Shoshin the worst(50), Michael Scott(34),
ProFlavor(15)
,
pinturicchio(20)

Shoshin the worst(1) ~ Varsoon(84)
Kokichi Oma(1) ~ Taly(38)
Alchemist21(1) ~ Mewtaph(2)


Not Voting (6): Mephistophanes 39(112), Almost Chara(19), Kokichi Oma(8), Tibor and Lumia(28), NicoRobin(3), Alchemist21(39), u r a person 2 (32)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:12:40)
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Post Post #1917 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:12 pm

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In post 1915, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 1896, Creature wrote:ffs I didn't rand scum
Scum!Creature never makes this post and I was hard townreading Taly before that anyway.

Both you (Stw) and MS are ignoring nuances, in favour of CONVENTIONAL ALIGNMENT BASED READS. .

Kokichi is usually more active as scum.

Sorry, I mut have been out of it, when I made that earlier post.

Neither of you, ought to ignore INDVIDUAL meta.
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Post Post #1918 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:17 pm

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In post 1916, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 1855, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 1848, Shoshin the worst wrote:@PF is that fence comfortable?
I know

I was gonna do this then loads of pedits to read

Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) - would
Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) - nah
Varsoon nah
Almost Chara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) nah
Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) would
Kokichi Oma - nah
Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) nah
jjh927 nicorobin - reluctantly if we have to
Mewtaph - if FL wants to
alchemist21 - probably not
ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) - hallelujah
u r a person 2 - if FL wants to
pinturicchio nah
Taly nah


Would lynch
Nah - wouldn’t lynch
If FL wants to = if he is confident with his read, I’m not so he can trump me


Sometimes a game feels like it’s going towards a day 1 scum lynch - I feel like this game was doing that @ STW and now it’s not because everything is so unclear to me - this means a vocal player has probably muddied the waters enough which just circles me back round to wanting to lynch STW

This is all

~ woof

Btw
This is a BS lynch list, there are 13 other slots besides your own and the only two slots you would even consider lynching unreluctantly are STW's slot and our slot? I don't buy that this solve comes from town!you.

I think you may just be hard pocketing Varsoon (who I think is town) with your tunnel on STW (who I also think is town). It's also interesting how you were on the initial STW wagon, then you joined the URAP2 wagon when STW's wagon fell apart, and now you are back on STW's wagon once again. In fact you and Pint (who I'm also skeptical of) were the two common denominators between the early STW wagon (which got up to 6 votes) and the early URAP2 wagon (which got up to 4 votes):
In post 175, Krazy wrote:Votecount 1.3
Shoshin the worst(6) ~
pinturicchio(3)
, Tibor and Lumia(8), u r a person 2(7),
ProFlavor(6)
, Varsoon(38), Alchemist21(21)
Taly(1) ~ Shoshin the worst(24)
Alchemist21(1) ~ Mewtaph(1)


Not Voting (6): Mephistophanes 39(34), Almost Chara(4), Michael Scott(6), Kokichi Oma(6), NicoRobin(2), Taly(6)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:06:24)
In post 500, Krazy wrote:Votecount 1.6
u r a person 2(4) ~ Shoshin the worst(50), Michael Scott(34),
ProFlavor(15)
,
pinturicchio(20)

Shoshin the worst(1) ~ Varsoon(84)
Kokichi Oma(1) ~ Taly(38)
Alchemist21(1) ~ Mewtaph(2)


Not Voting (6): Mephistophanes 39(112), Almost Chara(19), Kokichi Oma(8), Tibor and Lumia(28), NicoRobin(3), Alchemist21(39), u r a person 2 (32)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-16 22:12:40)
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Great catch.

So, I think scum is in:

Eraserleaf also backed up Mew’s terrible Alchemist push as well.

And now Pint is hard townreading Eraserhead.

So, Taly wanted a high info lynch. Let’s give it to him then.

Vote one of Eraserhead, Pint, Mew.
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Post Post #1919 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:21 pm

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In post 1869, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 1116, Taly wrote:
Town, not listing the order of strength OR confidence here

Almost Chara
Mephisto
STW
Varsoon
T&L
URAP2
Alchemist

Sorting

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Pint
Proflavor
Michael Scott
Nicorobin
Kokichi


Not behind a
Nico/Koki
lynch unless there's either a better meta argument, or until they post more so I can evaluate them enough to have a lynch decision on.
Here again: why not including me in the "not behind a x-lynch" if he thinks I have not that much sortable posts? Why not pushing Michael or Proflavor who were more active than me?
Why would he push Michael?
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Post Post #1920 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:24 pm

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In post 1889, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 1883, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1874, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 1870, ProFlavor wrote: I scum read you early on but there was a lot of town reads heading your way which I don’t really understand so I just assume I m being slow

Therefore if FL has a strong scum read on you then he can vote because I’m not confident in any read bar STW tbh
I'm trying to understand what info you were trying to convey to the rest of the players. Do you think there is much chance of FL finding a scum read on mew or me in the next few hours?
@pro

Above in case you missed it, but also, who is this more vocal player directing us? Are you talking about MS? Why this "I think the invisible hand directs us all" vibe?
I basically just wanted to scrawl down my thoughts to see if anyone went “definitely yes” or “absolutley not” to narrow some things down towards the deadline I wasn’t really trying to convey anything in particular

FL town reads Mew - without wanting to put words in his mouth it seems like FL empathises with Mew because he sees Mews reads as a little against the grain and I know FL likes it when people do that

It’s not clear what he thinks about you


I’m terms of the vocal player - I think in a few of my recent games, I’ve seen Day 1 scum lunches and the familiar pattern has always been a clear consensus that we should lynch that slot for some particular reasons - we seemed to be going that way towards STW imo but then the town bottled it which is why I think it seems like the STE wagon is a hard to push through wagon, which is usually indicative of scum

So why would such a good thing fizzle out? I don’t see how lurkers would be able to topple that momentum so it’s got to be within someone who is pushing against STW - that generally means STW is scum and we will find someone who doesn’t want to vote there

Who was the person that voted when STWs wagon initially died? That’s where I would be looking tomorrow (I think mew, despite FLs town read but I feel like he is kinda biasing himself because he sees his own town play within mew :P I’ve not told him that yet so it’ll be lols when he reads this)
Eraserhead circle-jerking with Mew now.

Do we maybe have a pattern here?
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Post Post #1921 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:24 pm

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1922 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:26 pm

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VOTE: ProFlavor

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Post Post #1923 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:26 pm

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I will be voting from amongst these 4 today: Eraserhead, Mew, Pint, jjh.

3/4 is probably the scum team.
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Post Post #1924 (ISO) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:27 pm

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In post 1922, Michael Scott wrote:VOTE: ProFlavor

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VOTE: ProFlavor

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