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Post Post #2075 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:41 pm

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By the way, where exactly is Flavor Leaf? There is no way that I see town!Flavor Leaf approving that BS lynch list that Profii posted in post . Auro, Flavor Leaf and I all played together in Newbie 1900 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781) -- Auro and FL were town in that game, and I was scum. FL was able to get an accurate townread on Auro on day one in that game, and Auro has made most of the posts on our hydra account in this game until I started posting more recently. I can't speak to how accurately I would expect town!FL to read town!me (since FL has never played with town!me before), but I don't see him completely misreading town!Auro in this game. I'm not saying that town!FL would necessarily have us as locktown here, but I don't buy that town!FL would approve a lynch list that consists of only {STW, Michael Scott}.

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Post Post #2076 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:43 pm

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In post 1574, Mewtaph wrote:
In post 1537, Tibor and Lumia wrote: Yo
I want a reason for why you asked me how I read myself with no anticipated answer. That's a question people with pre-existing notions on the subject ask.
-Gamma Emerald, who is probably done for a while as his focus is broken
I expected no based off of your commentary in , but also some sort of clarification on engagement or activity. I thought your response was in line with what I expected. In terms of "open-ended", I was open to however you wanted to interpret it, though saying yes would be kind of a tonal shift off of what you already said so would require some follow-up or reasoning for me to verify. IIRC, you weren't appearing as much as Brass at that point which is why I wanted to get an answer from you then.
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Post Post #2077 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:45 pm

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In post 2075, Michael Scott wrote:By the way, where exactly is Flavor Leaf? There is no way that I see town!Flavor Leaf approving that BS lynch list that Profii posted in post . Auro, Flavor Leaf and I all played together in Newbie 1900 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781) -- Auro and FL were town in that game, and I was scum. FL was able to get an accurate townread on Auro on day one in that game, and Auro has made most of the posts on our hydra account in this game until I started posting more recently. I can't speak to how accurately I would expect town!FL to read town!me (since FL has never played with town!me before), but I don't see him completely misreading town!Auro in this game. I'm not saying that town!FL would necessarily have us as locktown here, but I don't buy that town!FL would approve a lynch list that consists of only {STW, Michael Scott}.

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So let me know if I got it right: Flavor townread correctly Auro once, so he should be townreading your slot because of that; if he isn't townreading your slot, then the only conclusion is ProFlavor is scum?
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Post Post #2078 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:45 pm

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Post Post #2079 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:52 pm

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@Mephisto: My read here is informed by more than primarily rolespec and paranoia, for one, but you're right. There's no way I can KNOW that STW is or isn't scum here; that's the whole fucking game of mafia. I'm CONFIDENT in my read there and OTHER PEOPLE are SEEING WHAT I AM SEEING and I am not going to step back from MY MOST INFORMED AND CONFIDENT READ just because I might be wrong.

Moreover, how do you KNOW that you aren't just WRONG here and that you're willing to take A NO LYNCH over admitting that, maybe, you got it wrong this time?

Also, consider this;
I die tonight. There is no way I don't.
If I die and STW is still in the game, there's a chance of them making it to endgame.
If they endgame and win as scum, I will experience fury like none other.
I don't want that possibility to even be there.
I am that confident in my read and in their capacity to slither out of bullshit because everyone's so fucking resistant to lynching them for what I feel isn't any good moddamn reason.


Also I'm fuckin' pissed because the new Magic set just released and I'm not gonna get to play any sealed or limited events and I didn't get to do any pre-releases but I was hype to play limited events on MTG Arena and had 10,000 gold banked up and that'd be my afternoon but NO ALL THE FUCKING EVENTS THEY ARE RUNNING COST GEMS AND I'LL BE FUCKING DAMNED IF I SPEND ANY MONEY ON ARENA AFTER THEY SCREWED ME OVER WITH DUELS I SPENT 200 HOURS IN DUELS AND THEY JUST ABANDONED IT AUUGH

So anyway please vote STW
so we can have a lynch
And if they flip green, whatever, I'll give myself 1000 lashes or exile myself from site or whatever fucking pennance someone should do for being wrong in a fucking game but moddamn at least I stood by what I believed in for once.

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Post Post #2080 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:54 pm

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In post 2052, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2049, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: I really dislike how I continue to have my valid read on Mew’s uberscummy PL thing discredited solely because it just happened to be on me, which is what it sounds like you’re implying?

It’s scummy because there is simply nothing remotely townie about his reasoning for doing so, especially when it was in regard to a really bad push on Alchemist.

In SC1, he just reacted totally differently in SC1 and was far less aggressive in general and this was very recently, so I don’t believe town!Mew’s play does such a complete 180, in such a short amount of time.
I'm not implying anything, I'm asking you what was awful about his reaction, 'cause you disagree with me and keep replying me because of it, so I'm asking you why you disagree with me so hardly outside a meta read and the PL thing. Your reply here is again about the PL thing and meta :lol: I can't work with that and try to understand your point.
When policy lynches are advovated for bad reasons. it more often than not tends to come from scum.

Especially for Mew, for someone like RC OTOH, I’d view that as NAI.

And Mew’s initial push on Alchemist, still makes 0 sense to me and I’m quite happy with how I dealt with that, since based on what I know of Alchemist play in OK 2, I knew it was a really bad push on him by Mew.
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Post Post #2081 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:56 pm

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In post 2080, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: When policy lynches are advovated for bad reasons. it more often than not tends to come from scum.

Especially for Mew, for someone like RC OTOH, I’d view that as NAI.

And Mew’s initial push on Alchemist, still makes 0 sense to me and I’m quite happy with how I dealt with that, since based on what I know of Alchemist play in OK 2, I knew it was a really bad push on him by Mew.
And why do you think scum!Mew decides, being at L-1, to push Alchemist?
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Post Post #2082 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:56 pm

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In post 2053, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 2051, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 2046, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2044, ProFlavor wrote:Why can’t STW be scum
MS be scum
You be Town

And MS just sheeping you for (presumably) pocketing reasons

Obviously you disagree with those reads but the mechanics are fine
Thanks. Pocketing a town player with wrong reads is a good scum strat, that's what I meant.

No need to answer my questions tho :roll:
The derp was irritating me

Like to the point where the answer was obvious - I think I’m moving this into “
playing ignorant on purpose
territory”
Wtf does that even mean?

Really disliking this shade.
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Post Post #2083 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:57 pm

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In post 2055, ProFlavor wrote:If there was more time I’d be advocating a lynch- if we dead tomorrow please consider, tyvm
Who are you advocating a lynch on?
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Post Post #2084 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:59 pm

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In post 2072, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:He was pocketing me by discrediting my very valid read on Mew for wanting to PL me?
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Post Post #2085 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:59 pm

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In post 2083, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 2055, ProFlavor wrote:If there was more time I’d be advocating a lynch- if we dead tomorrow please consider, tyvm
Who are you advocating a lynch on?
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Post Post #2086 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:00 pm

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In post 2057, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2034, u r a person 2 wrote:
In post 2032, Varsoon wrote:@URAP2: Proflavor, by my count, only has 4 people who have vocalized support for the wagon. It's not going to happen within 8 hours. Put your vote to better use.
It def won't happen if I don't try ;P
You understand how a majority lynch works, right?
We won't get ANY lynch if everyone just decided to 'try' for their biggest scumreads right now.

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Alright, alright, but on the odd chance my slot is the one who’s NK’d, I’d strongly suspect Mew.
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Post Post #2087 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:00 pm

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Post Post #2088 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:01 pm

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In post 2082, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 2053, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 2051, ProFlavor wrote:
In post 2046, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2044, ProFlavor wrote:Why can’t STW be scum
MS be scum
You be Town

And MS just sheeping you for (presumably) pocketing reasons

Obviously you disagree with those reads but the mechanics are fine
Thanks. Pocketing a town player with wrong reads is a good scum strat, that's what I meant.

No need to answer my questions tho :roll:
The derp was irritating me

Like to the point where the answer was obvious - I think I’m moving this into “
playing ignorant on purpose
territory”
Wtf does that even mean?

Really disliking this shade.
it means I don’t think you really believe that stuff I just nope to and you know exactly what me and Pint are referring
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Post Post #2089 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:02 pm

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we need a lynch. we have 7 hours left.
is STW at L-2?
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Post Post #2090 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:04 pm

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In post 2075, Michael Scott wrote:By the way, where exactly is Flavor Leaf? There is no way that I see town!Flavor Leaf approving that BS lynch list that Profii posted in post . Auro, Flavor Leaf and I all played together in Newbie 1900 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781) -- Auro and FL were town in that game, and I was scum. FL was able to get an accurate townread on Auro on day one in that game, and Auro has made most of the posts on our hydra account in this game until I started posting more recently. I can't speak to how accurately I would expect town!FL to read town!me (since FL has never played with town!me before), but I don't see him completely misreading town!Auro in this game. I'm not saying that town!FL would necessarily have us as locktown here, but I don't buy that town!FL would approve a lynch list that consists of only {STW, Michael Scott}.

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It’s kinda funny that I made the point TW should know my scum game and shouldn’t be voting me and given the signing situation, suppose it could be shoshin voting me

Now you are saying FL should know you well enough to not be voting you


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Post Post #2091 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:04 pm

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Why are we even lynching Shoshin?
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Post Post #2092 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:04 pm

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Unless only the worst has been posting so far.
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Post Post #2093 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:05 pm

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In post 2071, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2067, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 2038, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2030, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: Yes, that’s how it looked to me. I mean why even bother to ask that question in the first place, if you weren’t expecting an answer?

And why are Pint and Eraserhead, just ignoring this?
What is the thing I'm ignoring? Disagreeing with you is not ignoring something.
I think it’s definitely worth commenting on. Why does Mew ask Gamma that question, if he wasn’t expecting an answer? Can you explain that?
I think Mew already answered this, am I wrong? Why would I be able to answer that, you're framing the question to look like the only answer is "he's scum" :lol:
Okay, it’s posts like this one that ping me and I was once again beginning to doubt my scumlean on you.:/

I obviously didn’t buy his answer and clearly neither do T & L but only YOUR interpretation is the correct one, I see. :roll:
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Post Post #2094 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:05 pm

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Votecount 1.19

Shoshin the worst(6)
~ (233), (167), (19), (56), (104), (157)

ProFlavor(4)
~ (112), (412), (305), (113)
Kokichi Oma(2)
~ (74), (143)
jjh927(1)
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Not Voting (1): (12)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-18 03:01:32)
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Post Post #2095 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:06 pm

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In post 2073, Creature wrote:Is Aristophanes posting?
It’s been mostly me. I can nag him a bit, if you like? :P
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Post Post #2096 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:06 pm

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In post 2091, Creature wrote:Why are we even lynching Shoshin?
because we have 7 hours left and town doesn't want to lynch Kokichi.
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Post Post #2097 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:06 pm

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If everyone not on one of the lead wagons would just take a position on one of the lead wagons, we'd have a lynch.

Almost Chara, I know you're here
Take a position.

Creature, I know you're here. Take a position.

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Post Post #2098 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:07 pm

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In post 2074, Creature wrote:
In post 0, Krazy wrote:Creatyre replaces Taly
May as well just call me Creataly
Might want to keep that in mind, in case you guys ever decide to hydra.
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Post Post #2099 (ISO) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:08 pm

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In post 2093, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 2071, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2067, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
In post 2038, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2030, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: Yes, that’s how it looked to me. I mean why even bother to ask that question in the first place, if you weren’t expecting an answer?

And why are Pint and Eraserhead, just ignoring this?
What is the thing I'm ignoring? Disagreeing with you is not ignoring something.
I think it’s definitely worth commenting on. Why does Mew ask Gamma that question, if he wasn’t expecting an answer? Can you explain that?
I think Mew already answered this, am I wrong? Why would I be able to answer that, you're framing the question to look like the only answer is "he's scum" :lol:
Okay, it’s posts like this one that ping me and I was once again beginning to doubt my scumlean on you.:/

I obviously didn’t buy his answer and clearly neither do T & L but only YOUR interpretation is the correct one, I see. :roll:
What the fuck are you talking about, Nancy.
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