With a lot of quoting in the chess forumIn post 2115, Varsoon wrote:@Creature: How do I play
If either of you want to play lmk or start a thread over there etc etc
With a lot of quoting in the chess forumIn post 2115, Varsoon wrote:@Creature: How do I play
I said it should be considered - I’ve been assuming eraser head is fl and this is profiiIn post 2124, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Okay, I think you maybe town and this is definitely town!Creature, so town!Stw should realiize that.In post 2118, pinturicchio wrote:Ok, fair point, I get where you're coming from with the PL thing now. Thanks Nancy.In post 2117, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Well that’s been my point, he hasn’t and he totally was trying to engage me in SC1 and I should have realized that he was town, specifically for doing that.In post 2110, pinturicchio wrote: Did you ask him directly why he said the thing about the PL on you? I can't recall neither you asking or him answering why he said that (with or without the question)
What do you think about Eraserhead advocating my slot be the lynch tomorrow?
Yes, I don't see town!FL having our slot as lockscum. Especially since the only post where Profii really talked about us at length was in post 1621, where he declared us as a scumread because we listed STW as a townread:In post 2077, pinturicchio wrote:So let me know if I got it right: Flavor townread correctly Auro once, so he should be townreading your slot because of that; if he isn't townreading your slot, then the only conclusion is ProFlavor is scum?In post 2075, Michael Scott wrote:By the way, where exactly is Flavor Leaf? There is no way that I see town!Flavor Leaf approving that BS lynch list that Profii posted in post 1855. Auro, Flavor Leaf and I all played together in Newbie 1900 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781) -- Auro and FL were town in that game, and I was scum. FL was able to get an accurate townread on Auro on day one in that game, and Auro has made most of the posts on our hydra account in this game until I started posting more recently. I can't speak to how accurately I would expect town!FL to read town!me (since FL has never played with town!me before), but I don't see him completely misreading town!Auro in this game. I'm not saying that town!FL would necessarily have us as locktown here, but I don't buy that town!FL would approve a lynch list that consists of only {STW, Michael Scott}.
- Date Mike (Volxen)
This post is bad because it presents a false dichotomy: that we are scum and our townread of STW is because either (1) we are scum together with STW and don't want to bus them or (2) we are scum and STW is town and we want towncredit if or when STW flips green. He acts like it's a forgone conclusion that one of those two scenarios has to be the case, and he doesn't even consider the possibility that (3) STW and our slot are both town and we simply have an accurate read on them or (4) STW is scum and we are town that is misreading their slot.In post 1621, ProFlavor wrote:@Michael Scott
Why do you think STW is town?
I can see loads of posts saying you don't think he is scum but I cant see anything that says why you think that...
This makes me paranoid that you KNOW STW is town rather than THINK STW is scum
I mean if you are going to say something fluffy like you soul read one of S or TW can you at least say I know X does Y as town so I'm confident - examples would really help
because I'm like trying to work out if you are trying not to bus your pal and that's why the wagon is so hard or if you are trying to be like "see told you he was town" later and come off as "Ive got good reads" when actually you're just scum and know.
I implore everyone else to ISO Michael Scott, see if you can see any evidence of why he doesn't want to lynch STW - something fishy in there imo.
~ woof
I had been townreading in varying degrees, everyone outside of Mew, Eraserhead (Profalavor), Pint and jjh but I’m thinking I may be wrong about Pint, so that would mean one of my townreads would have to be wrong.In post 2122, Creature wrote:What are your townreads?In post 2121, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Maybe one of my townreads is wrong then?
Shoshin the worstIn post 2123, Creature wrote:Who are you talking to?In post 2121, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:@Stw, still this there’s a snowball’s chance in hell this is ever scum?
No, Eraserhead is BOTH of you due to the avatar and why should it be considered? Why are you suggesting - better? - my mislynch at all even?In post 2126, ProFlavor wrote:I said it should be considered - I’ve been assuming eraser head is fl and this is profiiIn post 2124, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Okay, I think you maybe town and this is definitely town!Creature, so town!Stw should realiize that.In post 2118, pinturicchio wrote:Ok, fair point, I get where you're coming from with the PL thing now. Thanks Nancy.In post 2117, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Well that’s been my point, he hasn’t and he totally was trying to engage me in SC1 and I should have realized that he was town, specifically for doing that.In post 2110, pinturicchio wrote: Did you ask him directly why he said the thing about the PL on you? I can't recall neither you asking or him answering why he said that (with or without the question)
What do you think about Eraserhead advocating my slot be the lynch tomorrow?
Tsk tsk!
Your answer has nothing to do with what I asked: Flavor Leaf can't be wrong on you? I'm talking about Flavor Leaf, not about Profii. If Flavor Leaf is scumreading you, does that automatically make him scum?In post 2127, Michael Scott wrote:Yes, I don't see town!FL having our slot as lockscum. Especially since the only post where Profii really talked about us at length was in post 1621, where he declared us as a scumread because we listed STW as a townread:In post 2077, pinturicchio wrote:So let me know if I got it right: Flavor townread correctly Auro once, so he should be townreading your slot because of that; if he isn't townreading your slot, then the only conclusion is ProFlavor is scum?In post 2075, Michael Scott wrote:By the way, where exactly is Flavor Leaf? There is no way that I see town!Flavor Leaf approving that BS lynch list that Profii posted in post 1855. Auro, Flavor Leaf and I all played together in Newbie 1900 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781) -- Auro and FL were town in that game, and I was scum. FL was able to get an accurate townread on Auro on day one in that game, and Auro has made most of the posts on our hydra account in this game until I started posting more recently. I can't speak to how accurately I would expect town!FL to read town!me (since FL has never played with town!me before), but I don't see him completely misreading town!Auro in this game. I'm not saying that town!FL would necessarily have us as locktown here, but I don't buy that town!FL would approve a lynch list that consists of only {STW, Michael Scott}.
- Date Mike (Volxen)
This post is bad because it presents a false dichotomy: that we are scum and our townread of STW is because either (1) we are scum together with STW and don't want to bus them or (2) we are scum and STW is town and we want towncredit if or when STW flips green. He acts like it's a forgone conclusion that one of those two scenarios has to be the case, and he doesn't even consider the possibility that (3) STW and our slot are both town and we simply have an accurate read on them or (4) STW is scum and we are town that is misreading their slot.In post 1621, ProFlavor wrote:@Michael Scott
Why do you think STW is town?
I can see loads of posts saying you don't think he is scum but I cant see anything that says why you think that...
This makes me paranoid that you KNOW STW is town rather than THINK STW is scum
I mean if you are going to say something fluffy like you soul read one of S or TW can you at least say I know X does Y as town so I'm confident - examples would really help
because I'm like trying to work out if you are trying not to bus your pal and that's why the wagon is so hard or if you are trying to be like "see told you he was town" later and come off as "Ive got good reads" when actually you're just scum and know.
I implore everyone else to ISO Michael Scott, see if you can see any evidence of why he doesn't want to lynch STW - something fishy in there imo.
~ woof
It's like Profii cannot fathom the possibility that we could be town and at the same time completely disagree with him on a read.
Basically, Profii's entire scumread of us is based on us townreading STW and not wanting to lynch them, which is how he made the leap from what he posted in post 1621 to his lynch list of {STW, Michael Scott} in post 1855. I don't believe that town!FL would have us as lockscum for simply disagreeing with him on how we read the STW slot.
- Date Mike (Volxen)
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed thatIn post 1864, u r a person 2 wrote:I don't understand why you phrased it this way for my slot and mew's slot specifically. It's not hydra dissonance in the way that I normally understand it, where you two disagree. It's dissonance in the sense that it seems unaware of - or at least it fails to incorporate - FL's repeated pronouncements that mewtaph is town and that I am town.In post 1855, ProFlavor wrote:Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) - would
Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) - nah
Varsoon nah
Almost Chara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) nah
Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) would
Kokichi Oma - nah
Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) nah
jjh927 nicorobin - reluctantly if we have to
Mewtaph - if FL wants to
alchemist21 - probably not
ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) - hallelujah
u r a person 2 - if FL wants to
pinturicchio nah
Taly nah
Am I reading something into nothing? Was there a thought process you had that made it make sense?
In post 2127, Michael Scott wrote:Yes, I don't see town!FL having our slot as lockscum. Especially since the only post where Profii really talked about us at length was in post 1621, where he declared us as a scumread because we listed STW as a townread:In post 2077, pinturicchio wrote:So let me know if I got it right: Flavor townread correctly Auro once, so he should be townreading your slot because of that; if he isn't townreading your slot, then the only conclusion is ProFlavor is scum?In post 2075, Michael Scott wrote:By the way, where exactly is Flavor Leaf? There is no way that I see town!Flavor Leaf approving that BS lynch list that Profii posted in post 1855. Auro, Flavor Leaf and I all played together in Newbie 1900 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781) -- Auro and FL were town in that game, and I was scum. FL was able to get an accurate townread on Auro on day one in that game, and Auro has made most of the posts on our hydra account in this game until I started posting more recently. I can't speak to how accurately I would expect town!FL to read town!me (since FL has never played with town!me before), but I don't see him completely misreading town!Auro in this game. I'm not saying that town!FL would necessarily have us as locktown here, but I don't buy that town!FL would approve a lynch list that consists of only {STW, Michael Scott}.
- Date Mike (Volxen)
This post is bad because it presents a false dichotomy: that we are scum and our townread of STW is because either (1) we are scum together with STW and don't want to bus them or (2) we are scum and STW is town and we want towncredit if or when STW flips green. He acts like it's a forgone conclusion that one of those two scenarios has to be the case, and he doesn't even consider the possibility that (3) STW and our slot are both town and we simply have an accurate read on them or (4) STW is scum and we are town that is misreading their slot.In post 1621, ProFlavor wrote:@Michael Scott
Why do you think STW is town?
I can see loads of posts saying you don't think he is scum but I cant see anything that says why you think that...
This makes me paranoid that you KNOW STW is town rather than THINK STW is scum
I mean if you are going to say something fluffy like you soul read one of S or TW can you at least say I know X does Y as town so I'm confident - examples would really help
because I'm like trying to work out if you are trying not to bus your pal and that's why the wagon is so hard or if you are trying to be like "see told you he was town" later and come off as "Ive got good reads" when actually you're just scum and know.
I implore everyone else to ISO Michael Scott, see if you can see any evidence of why he doesn't want to lynch STW - something fishy in there imo.
~ woof
It's like Profii cannot fathom the possibility that we could be town and at the same time completely disagree with him on a read.
Basically, Profii's entire scumread of us is based on us townreading STW and not wanting to lynch them, which is how he made the leap from what he posted in post 1621 to his lynch list of {STW, Michael Scott} in post 1855. I don't believe that town!FL would have us as lockscum for simply disagreeing with him on how we read the STW slot.
- Date Mike (Volxen)
This is a valid pointIn post 1881, pinturicchio wrote:In post 1141, Taly wrote:honestly, anyone who keeps"OKing"aNicowagon or even aKokichiwagon at this point is just saying"im not going to do anything else but push for a PL until we get content out of this one player"
Wrt the bolded, Profil is apparently doing that to me, here, which doesn’t strike me as a townie reaction at all.In post 2132, pinturicchio wrote:Your answer has nothing to do with what I asked: Flavor Leaf can't be wrong on you? I'm talking about Flavor Leaf, not about Profii.In post 2127, Michael Scott wrote:Yes, I don't see town!FL having our slot as lockscum. Especially since the only post where Profii really talked about us at length was in post 1621, where he declared us as a scumread because we listed STW as a townread:In post 2077, pinturicchio wrote:So let me know if I got it right: Flavor townread correctly Auro once, so he should be townreading your slot because of that; if he isn't townreading your slot, then the only conclusion is ProFlavor is scum?In post 2075, Michael Scott wrote:By the way, where exactly is Flavor Leaf? There is no way that I see town!Flavor Leaf approving that BS lynch list that Profii posted in post 1855. Auro, Flavor Leaf and I all played together in Newbie 1900 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781) -- Auro and FL were town in that game, and I was scum. FL was able to get an accurate townread on Auro on day one in that game, and Auro has made most of the posts on our hydra account in this game until I started posting more recently. I can't speak to how accurately I would expect town!FL to read town!me (since FL has never played with town!me before), but I don't see him completely misreading town!Auro in this game. I'm not saying that town!FL would necessarily have us as locktown here, but I don't buy that town!FL would approve a lynch list that consists of only {STW, Michael Scott}.
- Date Mike (Volxen)
This post is bad because it presents a false dichotomy: that we are scum and our townread of STW is because either (1) we are scum together with STW and don't want to bus them or (2) we are scum and STW is town and we want towncredit if or when STW flips green. He acts like it's a forgone conclusion that one of those two scenarios has to be the case, and he doesn't even consider the possibility that (3) STW and our slot are both town and we simply have an accurate read on them or (4) STW is scum and we are town that is misreading their slot.In post 1621, ProFlavor wrote:@Michael Scott
Why do you think STW is town?
I can see loads of posts saying you don't think he is scum but I cant see anything that says why you think that...
This makes me paranoid that you KNOW STW is town rather than THINK STW is scum
I mean if you are going to say something fluffy like you soul read one of S or TW can you at least say I know X does Y as town so I'm confident - examples would really help
because I'm like trying to work out if you are trying not to bus your pal and that's why the wagon is so hard or if you are trying to be like "see told you he was town" later and come off as "Ive got good reads" when actually you're just scum and know.
I implore everyone else to ISO Michael Scott, see if you can see any evidence of why he doesn't want to lynch STW - something fishy in there imo.
~ woof
It's like Profii cannot fathom the possibility that we could be town and at the same time completely disagree with him on a read.
Basically, Profii's entire scumread of us is based on us townreading STW and not wanting to lynch them, which is how he made the leap from what he posted in post 1621 to his lynch list of {STW, Michael Scott} in post 1855. I don't believe that town!FL would have us as lockscum for simply disagreeing with him on how we read the STW slot.
- Date Mike (Volxen)If Flavor Leaf is scumreading you, does that automatically make him scum?
By the way, your (3) and (4) are awfully similar on how I feel right now with respect to you implying ProFlavor and I are both scum. If you want to scumread ProFlavor, go ahead, I don't agree. But trying to imply me there, that's a no no for me.
yeah uh wtf, this is newIn post 1899, Shoshin the worst wrote:so you wanted to roll scum
Interesting, I obviously missed that when Bono posted it. Hmmmmm . . . . What do you make of it?In post 2133, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Glad I’m not the only one who noticed thatIn post 1864, u r a person 2 wrote:I don't understand why you phrased it this way for my slot and mew's slot specifically. It's not hydra dissonance in the way that I normally understand it, where you two disagree. It's dissonance in the sense that it seems unaware of - or at least it fails to incorporate - FL's repeated pronouncements that mewtaph is town and that I am town.In post 1855, ProFlavor wrote:Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) - would
Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) - nah
Varsoon nah
Almost Chara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) nah
Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) would
Kokichi Oma - nah
Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) nah
jjh927 nicorobin - reluctantly if we have to
Mewtaph - if FL wants to
alchemist21 - probably not
ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) - hallelujah
u r a person 2 - if FL wants to
pinturicchio nah
Taly nah
Am I reading something into nothing? Was there a thought process you had that made it make sense?
-Gamma, one with the Force
A new challenger approaches!
Just clicked on that link. Anyone who knows anything about Creature meta, knows he absolutely hates rolling scum. I’m really not liking their Creature tunnel.In post 2137, Tibor and Lumia wrote:yeah uh wtf, this is newIn post 1899, Shoshin the worst wrote:so you wanted to roll scum
-Gamma, always open to learning new things
Again. posts like this one, make me waffle again on you.In post 2139, pinturicchio wrote:I was talking to Michael Scott there, not you, Nancy. Also, I would ask you not to hyperbole some things: saying that Profil "automatically jumps to scumreading me and sketchily advocating for my mislynch, for absolutely no good reason" is in no way what happened. He hasn't said he's scumreading you, it wasn't sketchy since he explained why he would vote you (on the "shade" he threw at you).
On occasion it has been know for town to be wrongIn post 2143, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Again. posts like this one, make me waffle again on you.In post 2139, pinturicchio wrote:I was talking to Michael Scott there, not you, Nancy. Also, I would ask you not to hyperbole some things: saying that Profil "automatically jumps to scumreading me and sketchily advocating for my mislynch, for absolutely no good reason" is in no way what happened. He hasn't said he's scumreading you, it wasn't sketchy since he explained why he would vote you (on the "shade" he threw at you).
In what world his his push to mislynch me, not sketchy?
Could you stop saying that? That's manipulation, Nancy. I won't stop posting things that you don't like 'cause you're fucking around my alignment.In post 2143, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Again. posts like this one, make me waffle again on you.In post 2139, pinturicchio wrote:I was talking to Michael Scott there, not you, Nancy. Also, I would ask you not to hyperbole some things: saying that Profil "automatically jumps to scumreading me and sketchily advocating for my mislynch, for absolutely no good reason" is in no way what happened. He hasn't said he's scumreading you, it wasn't sketchy since he explained why he would vote you (on the "shade" he threw at you).
In what world his his push to mislynch me, not sketchy?
Honestly the way Pintu speaks there just seems generally forced. Who calls a reaction great like that?In post 1996, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:No it wasn’t. Mew’s reaction was horrible and very unlike town!Mew.In post 1943, pinturicchio wrote:I'm at page 53. Mew's reaction to his wagon was great. How he approached Nancy is exactly how I'm feeling right now: she just defends her townreads by attacking whoever is scumreading them. Flavor's reaction to Mew's wagon is townie as hell too, but I already said this. I don't see any scum intention on how Pro unvoted unless both Mew and Flavor are scum ---> Mew is apparently town because of his reaction ---> both are town, which is much more likely than both being scum (thinking that I caught two out of three scum instead of two out of ten towns... My tinfoil hat is not ready for that)
Like I’ve been saying, I’d prefer to vote my strongest scumread but that’s not happening, as Varsoon keeps telling me. I think Eraserhead > Stw in scum equity rn, since FL was also scumreading Alchemist, iirc?In post 2140, Tibor and Lumia wrote:A new challenger approaches!
-Gamma, who still wants Paper Mario in Smash
Btw @Mephisto, I think that read list by profii is weird but not reason enough to push there until they respond about it.
Yes. Here’s the thing: she flaked from OK1. She replaced out of Heroes Wanted. This lines up with her meta of preferring scum: scum!her would try to stay in if struggling to keep up, town her would give up at that point.In post 2022, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Gamma, remember OK 1, where she flaked as scum and was replaced by Tails?In post 1972, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Honestly kinda in agreement hereIn post 1518, ProFlavor wrote:it made me think she might be town but it's a bit wifom'yIn post 1517, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Nico might be scum here
Also need to check where else Nico opted to replace out of a game because I remember one instance but not what alignment she was or which game
-Gamma, who is very not fine
HEROES WANTED WASNT OVERKILL FOR PETER’S SAKEIn post 2024, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:No Gamma, Nico was scum in OK 1. How are you not remembering this?In post 1976, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Yeah Nico was town the last time she opted to replace out, which was Heroes Wanted, and given her meta and recent games she's been in points to her being town.
-Gamma, whose favorite superhero is Iron Man