Because it’s Thursday, amirite?In post 2014, Creature wrote:Hell no
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He was pocketing me by discrediting my very valid read on Mew for wanting to PL me?In post 2044, ProFlavor wrote:
Why can’t STW be scumIn post 2041, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
You have inferred that MS is both scum with Stw and as well, wrongly following town!me. That’s a complete contradiction. Which one is it?In post 2004, pinturicchio wrote:
I know you voted after him, but if you read again that interaction between both of you you'll see he said with other words what you were implying already, in order to get a "yeah that's what I thought" from you. Example: you started saying "Pint is going down on my reads" and there comes Michael Scott with some shade on me to get your attention. If I recall correctly, that happened with three different reads.In post 2003, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
This is patently false. I never voted Kokichi and I sheeped HIM on Eraserhead, so explain that.In post 1956, pinturicchio wrote:For posterity: Michael Scott is following wrong town!Nancy to wherever she goes.
MS be scum
You be Town
And MS just sheeping you for (presumably) pocketing reasons
Obviously you disagree with those reads but the mechanics are fine
The #1 thing concerning me about Stw, is their strong scumread on a slot I hard townread. which is making no sense to me and why they’re not commenting at all on the non-presence of jjh.
I also have some meta with Auro and his bad jump on Kokichi is not at all surprising to me. A lot of people make bad reads by strictly adhering to conventional wisdom in making reads, which as you have see in my case in OK 2 for example, isn’t necessarily a good metric for everyone.
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When policy lynches are advovated for bad reasons. it more often than not tends to come from scum.In post 2052, pinturicchio wrote:
I'm not implying anything, I'm asking you what was awful about his reaction, 'cause you disagree with me and keep replying me because of it, so I'm asking you why you disagree with me so hardly outside a meta read and the PL thing. Your reply here is again about the PL thing and meta I can't work with that and try to understand your point.In post 2049, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: I really dislike how I continue to have my valid read on Mew’s uberscummy PL thing discredited solely because it just happened to be on me, which is what it sounds like you’re implying?
It’s scummy because there is simply nothing remotely townie about his reasoning for doing so, especially when it was in regard to a really bad push on Alchemist.
In SC1, he just reacted totally differently in SC1 and was far less aggressive in general and this was very recently, so I don’t believe town!Mew’s play does such a complete 180, in such a short amount of time.
Especially for Mew, for someone like RC OTOH, I’d view that as NAI.
And Mew’s initial push on Alchemist, still makes 0 sense to me and I’m quite happy with how I dealt with that, since based on what I know of Alchemist play in OK 2, I knew it was a really bad push on him by Mew.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Wtf does that even mean?In post 2053, ProFlavor wrote:In post 2051, ProFlavor wrote:
The derp was irritating meIn post 2046, pinturicchio wrote:
Thanks. Pocketing a town player with wrong reads is a good scum strat, that's what I meant.In post 2044, ProFlavor wrote:Why can’t STW be scum
MS be scum
You be Town
And MS just sheeping you for (presumably) pocketing reasons
Obviously you disagree with those reads but the mechanics are fine
No need to answer my questions tho
Like to the point where the answer was obvious - I think I’m moving this into “playing ignorant on purposeterritory”
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Who are you advocating a lynch on?In post 2055, ProFlavor wrote:If there was more time I’d be advocating a lynch- if we dead tomorrow please consider, tyvmShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Alright, alright, but on the odd chance my slot is the one who’s NK’d, I’d strongly suspect Mew.In post 2057, Varsoon wrote:
You understand how a majority lynch works, right?In post 2034, u r a person 2 wrote:
It def won't happen if I don't try ;PIn post 2032, Varsoon wrote:@URAP2: Proflavor, by my count, only has 4 people who have vocalized support for the wagon. It's not going to happen within 8 hours. Put your vote to better use.
We won't get ANY lynch if everyone just decided to 'try' for their biggest scumreads right now.
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Okay, it’s posts like this one that ping me and I was once again beginning to doubt my scumlean on you.:/In post 2071, pinturicchio wrote:
I think Mew already answered this, am I wrong? Why would I be able to answer that, you're framing the question to look like the only answer is "he's scum"In post 2067, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
I think it’s definitely worth commenting on. Why does Mew ask Gamma that question, if he wasn’t expecting an answer? Can you explain that?In post 2038, pinturicchio wrote:
What is the thing I'm ignoring? Disagreeing with you is not ignoring something.In post 2030, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: Yes, that’s how it looked to me. I mean why even bother to ask that question in the first place, if you weren’t expecting an answer?
And why are Pint and Eraserhead, just ignoring this?
I obviously didn’t buy his answer and clearly neither do T & L but only YOUR interpretation is the correct one, I see.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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It’s been mostly me. I can nag him a bit, if you like?In post 2073, Creature wrote:Is Aristophanes posting?ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Might want to keep that in mind, in case you guys ever decide to hydra.
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The answer to why he should be townreading Gamma? Presisely what response could he have possibly be expecting? Nope, still not buying it.In post 2076, pinturicchio wrote:In post 1574, Mewtaph wrote:
I expected no based off of your commentary in 755, but also some sort of clarification on engagement or activity. I thought your response was in line with what I expected. In terms of "open-ended", I was open to however you wanted to interpret it, though saying yes would be kind of a tonal shift off of what you already said so would require some follow-up or reasoning for me to verify. IIRC, you weren't appearing as much as Brass at that point which is why I wanted to get an answer from you then.In post 1537, Tibor and Lumia wrote: Yo
I want a reason for why you asked me how I read myself with no anticipated answer. That's a question people with pre-existing notions on the subject ask.
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You still haven’t explained to me, the connection you perceive with them not dying and being scum.In post 2079, Varsoon wrote:@Mephisto: My read here is informed by more than primarily rolespec and paranoia, for one, but you're right. There's no way I can KNOW that STW is or isn't scum here; that's the whole fucking game of mafia. I'm CONFIDENT in my read there and OTHER PEOPLE are SEEING WHAT I AM SEEING and I am not going to step back from MY MOST INFORMED AND CONFIDENT READ just because I might be wrong.
Moreover, how do you KNOW that you aren't just WRONG here and that you're willing to take A NO LYNCH over admitting that, maybe, you got it wrong this time?
Also, consider this;
I die tonight. There is no way I don't.
If I die and STW is still in the game, there's a chance of them making it to endgame.
If they endgame and win as scum, I will experience fury like none other.
I don't want that possibility to even be there.
I am that confident in my read and in their capacity to slither out of bullshit because everyone's so fucking resistant to lynching them for what I feel isn't any good moddamn reason.
Also I'm fuckin' pissed because the new Magic set just released and I'm not gonna get to play any sealed or limited events and I didn't get to do any pre-releases but I was hype to play limited events on MTG Arena and had 10,000 gold banked up and that'd be my afternoon but NO ALL THE FUCKING EVENTS THEY ARE RUNNING COST GEMS AND I'LL BE FUCKING DAMNED IF I SPEND ANY MONEY ON ARENA AFTER THEY SCREWED ME OVER WITH DUELS I SPENT 200 HOURS IN DUELS AND THEY JUST ABANDONED IT AUUGH
So anyway please vote STW
so we can have a lynch
And if they flip green, whatever, I'll give myself 1000 lashes or exile myself from site or whatever fucking pennance someone should do for being wrong in a fucking game but moddamn at least I stood by what I believed in for once.
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Would you still be scumreading them, if they hadn’t fooled you in SC 1? Because I’m still not seeing it.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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It’s his reaction to my reaction to it, that bothers me more than anything. Why doesn’t he back off of it and question if he might possibly be wrong about that? Instead he practically flips out on me for objecting to it.In post 2081, pinturicchio wrote:
And why do you think scum!Mew decides, being at L-1, to push Alchemist?In post 2080, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: When policy lynches are advovated for bad reasons. it more often than not tends to come from scum.
Especially for Mew, for someone like RC OTOH, I’d view that as NAI.
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Exactly.In post 2084, ProFlavor wrote:
NopeIn post 2072, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:He was pocketing me by discrediting my very valid read on Mew for wanting to PL me?ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Okay, you are advocating for my mislynch? Yep, locktowning you for that.In post 2085, ProFlavor wrote:
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Who are you advocating a lynch on?In post 2055, ProFlavor wrote:If there was more time I’d be advocating a lynch- if we dead tomorrow please consider, tyvmShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Well that’s been my point, he hasn’t and he totally was trying to engage me in SC1 and I should have realized that he was town, specifically for doing that.In post 2110, pinturicchio wrote:
Did you ask him directly why he said the thing about the PL on you? I can't recall neither you asking or him answering why he said that (with or without the question)In post 2107, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
It’s his reaction to my reaction to it, that bothers me more than anything. Why doesn’t he back off of it and question if he might possibly be wrong about that? Instead he practically flips out on me for objecting to it.In post 2081, pinturicchio wrote:
And why do you think scum!Mew decides, being at L-1, to push Alchemist?In post 2080, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: When policy lynches are advovated for bad reasons. it more often than not tends to come from scum.
Especially for Mew, for someone like RC OTOH, I’d view that as NAI.
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In post 2111, Creature wrote:I'm against lynching Kokichi today anyway.
You maybe right on Pint. Maybe one of my townreads is wrong then?In post 2112, Creature wrote:portorrichio is town yey
I like that you’re mindmelding with me on Kokichi.
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Okay, I think you maybe town and this is definitely town!Creature, so town!Stw should realiize that.In post 2118, pinturicchio wrote:
Ok, fair point, I get where you're coming from with the PL thing now. Thanks Nancy.In post 2117, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Well that’s been my point, he hasn’t and he totally was trying to engage me in SC1 and I should have realized that he was town, specifically for doing that.In post 2110, pinturicchio wrote: Did you ask him directly why he said the thing about the PL on you? I can't recall neither you asking or him answering why he said that (with or without the question)
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I had been townreading in varying degrees, everyone outside of Mew, Eraserhead (Profalavor), Pint and jjh but I’m thinking I may be wrong about Pint, so that would mean one of my townreads would have to be wrong.In post 2122, Creature wrote:
What are your townreads?In post 2121, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Maybe one of my townreads is wrong then?
I’m not sure which one though but Eraserhead advocating for my mislynch makes me think, my vote may be right after all.
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Shoshin the worstIn post 2123, Creature wrote:
Who are you talking to?In post 2121, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:@Stw, still this there’s a snowball’s chance in hell this is ever scum?
They are obvscum reading your slot, which makes absolutely no sense to me.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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No, Eraserhead is BOTH of you due to the avatar and why should it be considered? Why are you suggesting - better? - my mislynch at all even?In post 2126, ProFlavor wrote:
I said it should be considered - I’ve been assuming eraser head is fl and this is profiiIn post 2124, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Okay, I think you maybe town and this is definitely town!Creature, so town!Stw should realiize that.In post 2118, pinturicchio wrote:
Ok, fair point, I get where you're coming from with the PL thing now. Thanks Nancy.In post 2117, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Well that’s been my point, he hasn’t and he totally was trying to engage me in SC1 and I should have realized that he was town, specifically for doing that.In post 2110, pinturicchio wrote: Did you ask him directly why he said the thing about the PL on you? I can't recall neither you asking or him answering why he said that (with or without the question)
What do you think about Eraserhead advocating my slot be the lynch tomorrow?
Tsk tsk!
Why isn’t your first thought, maybe Nancy is wrong? See, that’s why I feel pretty good about you flipping red here, because that’s what town!you ought to be thinking but you’re not.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Yes, I don't see town!FL having our slot as lockscum. Especially since the only post where Profii really talked about us at length was in post 1621, where he declared us as a scumread because we listed STW as a townread:In post 2077, pinturicchio wrote:
So let me know if I got it right: Flavor townread correctly Auro once, so he should be townreading your slot because of that; if he isn't townreading your slot, then the only conclusion is ProFlavor is scum?In post 2075, Michael Scott wrote:By the way, where exactly is Flavor Leaf? There is no way that I see town!Flavor Leaf approving that BS lynch list that Profii posted in post 1855. Auro, Flavor Leaf and I all played together in Newbie 1900 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781) -- Auro and FL were town in that game, and I was scum. FL was able to get an accurate townread on Auro on day one in that game, and Auro has made most of the posts on our hydra account in this game until I started posting more recently. I can't speak to how accurately I would expect town!FL to read town!me (since FL has never played with town!me before), but I don't see him completely misreading town!Auro in this game. I'm not saying that town!FL would necessarily have us as locktown here, but I don't buy that town!FL would approve a lynch list that consists of only {STW, Michael Scott}.
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This post is bad because it presents a false dichotomy: that we are scum and our townread of STW is because either (1) we are scum together with STW and don't want to bus them or (2) we are scum and STW is town and we want towncredit if or when STW flips green. He acts like it's a forgone conclusion that one of those two scenarios has to be the case, and he doesn't even consider the possibility that (3) STW and our slot are both town and we simply have an accurate read on them or (4) STW is scum and we are town that is misreading their slot.In post 1621, ProFlavor wrote:@Michael Scott
Why do you think STW is town?
I can see loads of posts saying you don't think he is scum but I cant see anything that says why you think that...
This makes me paranoid that you KNOW STW is town rather than THINK STW is scum
I mean if you are going to say something fluffy like you soul read one of S or TW can you at least say I know X does Y as town so I'm confident - examples would really help
because I'm like trying to work out if you are trying not to bus your pal and that's why the wagon is so hard or if you are trying to be like "see told you he was town" later and come off as "Ive got good reads" when actually you're just scum and know.
I implore everyone else to ISO Michael Scott, see if you can see any evidence of why he doesn't want to lynch STW - something fishy in there imo.
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It's like Profii cannot fathom the possibility that we could be town and at the same time completely disagree with him on a read.
Basically, Profii's entire scumread of us is based on us townreading STW and not wanting to lynch them, which is how he made the leap from what he posted in post 1621 to his lynch list of {STW, Michael Scott} in post 1855. I don't believe that town!FL would have us as lockscum for simply disagreeing with him on how we read the STW slot.
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Profil apparently cannot fathom I could be wrong in my vote and automatically jumps to scumreading me and sketchily advocating for my mislynch, for absolutely no good reason I can think of apart from voting them. That pings my scumometer off the freaking charts.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Wrt the bolded, Profil is apparently doing that to me, here, which doesn’t strike me as a townie reaction at all.In post 2132, pinturicchio wrote:
Your answer has nothing to do with what I asked: Flavor Leaf can't be wrong on you? I'm talking about Flavor Leaf, not about Profii.In post 2127, Michael Scott wrote:
Yes, I don't see town!FL having our slot as lockscum. Especially since the only post where Profii really talked about us at length was in post 1621, where he declared us as a scumread because we listed STW as a townread:In post 2077, pinturicchio wrote:
So let me know if I got it right: Flavor townread correctly Auro once, so he should be townreading your slot because of that; if he isn't townreading your slot, then the only conclusion is ProFlavor is scum?In post 2075, Michael Scott wrote:By the way, where exactly is Flavor Leaf? There is no way that I see town!Flavor Leaf approving that BS lynch list that Profii posted in post 1855. Auro, Flavor Leaf and I all played together in Newbie 1900 (link: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781) -- Auro and FL were town in that game, and I was scum. FL was able to get an accurate townread on Auro on day one in that game, and Auro has made most of the posts on our hydra account in this game until I started posting more recently. I can't speak to how accurately I would expect town!FL to read town!me (since FL has never played with town!me before), but I don't see him completely misreading town!Auro in this game. I'm not saying that town!FL would necessarily have us as locktown here, but I don't buy that town!FL would approve a lynch list that consists of only {STW, Michael Scott}.
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This post is bad because it presents a false dichotomy: that we are scum and our townread of STW is because either (1) we are scum together with STW and don't want to bus them or (2) we are scum and STW is town and we want towncredit if or when STW flips green. He acts like it's a forgone conclusion that one of those two scenarios has to be the case, and he doesn't even consider the possibility that (3) STW and our slot are both town and we simply have an accurate read on them or (4) STW is scum and we are town that is misreading their slot.In post 1621, ProFlavor wrote:@Michael Scott
Why do you think STW is town?
I can see loads of posts saying you don't think he is scum but I cant see anything that says why you think that...
This makes me paranoid that you KNOW STW is town rather than THINK STW is scum
I mean if you are going to say something fluffy like you soul read one of S or TW can you at least say I know X does Y as town so I'm confident - examples would really help
because I'm like trying to work out if you are trying not to bus your pal and that's why the wagon is so hard or if you are trying to be like "see told you he was town" later and come off as "Ive got good reads" when actually you're just scum and know.
I implore everyone else to ISO Michael Scott, see if you can see any evidence of why he doesn't want to lynch STW - something fishy in there imo.
~ woof
It's like Profii cannot fathom the possibility that we could be town and at the same time completely disagree with him on a read.
Basically, Profii's entire scumread of us is based on us townreading STW and not wanting to lynch them, which is how he made the leap from what he posted in post 1621 to his lynch list of {STW, Michael Scott} in post 1855. I don't believe that town!FL would have us as lockscum for simply disagreeing with him on how we read the STW slot.
- Date Mike (Volxen)If Flavor Leaf is scumreading you, does that automatically make him scum?
By the way, your (3) and (4) are awfully similar on how I feel right now with respect to you implying ProFlavor and I are both scum. If you want to scumread ProFlavor, go ahead, I don't agree. But trying to imply me there, that's a no no for me.
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Interesting, I obviously missed that when Bono posted it. Hmmmmm . . . . What do you make of it?In post 2133, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed thatIn post 1864, u r a person 2 wrote:
I don't understand why you phrased it this way for my slot and mew's slot specifically. It's not hydra dissonance in the way that I normally understand it, where you two disagree. It's dissonance in the sense that it seems unaware of - or at least it fails to incorporate - FL's repeated pronouncements that mewtaph is town and that I am town.In post 1855, ProFlavor wrote:Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) - would
Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) - nah
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Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) would
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jjh927 nicorobin - reluctantly if we have to
Mewtaph - if FL wants to
alchemist21 - probably not
ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) - hallelujah
u r a person 2 - if FL wants to
pinturicchio nah
Taly nah
Am I reading something into nothing? Was there a thought process you had that made it make sense?
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Just clicked on that link. Anyone who knows anything about Creature meta, knows he absolutely hates rolling scum. I’m really not liking their Creature tunnel.In post 2137, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
yeah uh wtf, this is newIn post 1899, Shoshin the worst wrote:so you wanted to roll scum
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Again. posts like this one, make me waffle again on you.In post 2139, pinturicchio wrote:I was talking to Michael Scott there, not you, Nancy. Also, I would ask you not to hyperbole some things: saying that Profil "automatically jumps to scumreading me and sketchily advocating for my mislynch, for absolutely no good reason" is in no way what happened. He hasn't said he's scumreading you, it wasn't sketchy since he explained why he would vote you (on the "shade" he threw at you).
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Like I’ve been saying, I’d prefer to vote my strongest scumread but that’s not happening, as Varsoon keeps telling me. I think Eraserhead > Stw in scum equity rn, since FL was also scumreading Alchemist, iirc?In post 2140, Tibor and Lumia wrote:A new challenger approaches!
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Btw @Mephisto, I think that read list by profii is weird but not reason enough to push there until they respond about it.
And his moonlogicky leaps in logic, didn’t thrill me either. Now, to top it all off. Profilhead wants ly mislynch and Pint inexplicably doesn’t consider that to be even remotely scummy when the town!Profil response obviously ought to be, Nancy is just plain wrong but it isn’t. Am I the only one who doesn’t need a building to fall on my head, to see this?ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Wait, you think 3 scum are bussing? Are you saying scum is bussing Stw wagon? *confused*In post 2141, ProFlavor wrote:The good thing for us is that there is some quite strong opinions
I was thinking Meph and MS could have been scum together but I don’t think 2 of 3 scum follow each other to drive a mislynch on me
This does draw me back to the point Pint made about MS pocketing Meph - so let’s say Meph is just wrong town, MS was just following Meph - that would insinuate that MS was letting wrong!meph lead a mislynch and that was on Mewp
Now almost the same thing is happening again, MS is encouraging Mephi to advocate for me
So this leads me to -
ms scum - trying to manipulate
Mephi town - being played by MS
STW - scum - Ms is trying to get a CW
Mewp town - a previous victim of ms manipulation
If you are following this, it should indicate we are another STW counter wagon
If someone held a gun to my headI’d say scum 3 is bussing already ]/b]but that’s fine and I’ve no idea who rn nor does it matter as it’s iust a distraction
Interesting
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Your posts aren’t making any sense. Are you saying I’m scum or wrong here?In post 2144, ProFlavor wrote:
On occasion it has been know for town to be wrongIn post 2143, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Again. posts like this one, make me waffle again on you.In post 2139, pinturicchio wrote:I was talking to Michael Scott there, not you, Nancy. Also, I would ask you not to hyperbole some things: saying that Profil "automatically jumps to scumreading me and sketchily advocating for my mislynch, for absolutely no good reason" is in no way what happened. He hasn't said he's scumreading you, it wasn't sketchy since he explained why he would vote you (on the "shade" he threw at you).
In what world his his push to mislynch me, not sketchy?
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Please don’t tell me what I’m thinking, because you’d be very wrong about that. I am saying what I believe to be accurate, the fact that you disagree, doesn’t make it “manipulation” of any kind. Neither is it remotely fair or accurate of you to infer I actually don’t believe what I’m saying - I do and that I’m confibiasing that slot. I’m not!In post 2145, pinturicchio wrote:
Could you stop saying that? That's manipulation, Nancy. I won't stop posting things that you don't like 'cause you're fucking around my alignment.In post 2143, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Again. posts like this one, make me waffle again on you.In post 2139, pinturicchio wrote:I was talking to Michael Scott there, not you, Nancy. Also, I would ask you not to hyperbole some things: saying that Profil "automatically jumps to scumreading me and sketchily advocating for my mislynch, for absolutely no good reason" is in no way what happened. He hasn't said he's scumreading you, it wasn't sketchy since he explained why he would vote you (on the "shade" he threw at you).
In what world his his push to mislynch me, not sketchy?
He doesn't know your alignment; no matter how much times you say "he's pushing a mislynch on me", he doesn't know it's a mislynch unless he's scum. And I don't agree he's pushing you, not even a bit. If he pushes you on D2, yeah sure do your thing, but you're just exaggerating something he said in order to have more arguments to scumread him.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Yeah, maybe you’re right. I also intensely dislike how he keeps discrediting everything I’m saying and falsely accusing me of “manipulation” and confibiasing Eraserhead. His hard defending of Mew, also makes 0 sense to me. It reeks of whiteknighting.In post 2146, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Honestly the way Pintu speaks there just seems generally forced. Who calls a reaction great like that?In post 1996, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
No it wasn’t. Mew’s reaction was horrible and very unlike town!Mew.In post 1943, pinturicchio wrote:I'm at page 53. Mew's reaction to his wagon was great. How he approached Nancy is exactly how I'm feeling right now: she just defends her townreads by attacking whoever is scumreading them. Flavor's reaction to Mew's wagon is townie as hell too, but I already said this. I don't see any scum intention on how Pro unvoted unless both Mew and Flavor are scum ---> Mew is apparently town because of his reaction ---> both are town, which is much more likely than both being scum (thinking that I caught two out of three scum instead of two out of ten towns... My tinfoil hat is not ready for that)
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Oh okay, so you’re saying scum!Nico flakes and town!Nico replaces out? But if you miss the prodge 3 times or fail to respond in the alotted time, it still gets your slot replaced anyhow.In post 2148, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Yes. Here’s the thing: she flaked from OK1. She replaced out of Heroes Wanted. This lines up with her meta of preferring scum: scum!her would try to stay in if struggling to keep up, town her would give up at that point.In post 2022, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Gamma, remember OK 1, where she flaked as scum and was replaced by Tails?In post 1972, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Honestly kinda in agreement hereIn post 1518, ProFlavor wrote:
it made me think she might be town but it's a bit wifom'yIn post 1517, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Nico might be scum here
Also need to check where else Nico opted to replace out of a game because I remember one instance but not what alignment she was or which game
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Okay, okay, I didn’t understand your flake out vs. replace out argument, Jesus.In post 2149, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
HEROES WANTED WASNT OVERKILL FOR PETER’S SAKEIn post 2024, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
No Gamma, Nico was scum in OK 1. How are you not remembering this?In post 1976, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Yeah Nico was town the last time she opted to replace out, which was Heroes Wanted, and given her meta and recent games she's been in points to her being town.
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Stop telling me what to do already! You aren’t the boss of me.In post 2151, pinturicchio wrote:
Stop doing this shit for fucks sakeIn post 2147, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: Now, to top it all off. Profilhead wants ly mislynch and Pint inexplicably doesn’t consider that to be even remotely scummy when the town!Profil response obviously ought to be, Nancy is just plain wrong but it isn’t. Am I the only one who doesn’t need a building to fall on my head, to see this?ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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In post 2150, Almost Chara wrote:she flaked here too, she didn't request replacement.
also i was right about Taly being scum because
Nope, T & L are correct.In post 1302, NicoRobin wrote:/replace outShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Oh, beat me to it.In post 2152, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
@ACIn post 1302, NicoRobin wrote:/replace out
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Yep, You, Creature and T & L are definitely all town here.In post 2153, Almost Chara wrote:
*was right about Tay being town because Creature is town. haha.In post 2150, Almost Chara wrote:she flaked here too, she didn't request replacement.
also i was right about Taly being scum because
and Mephisto is really really town. mislynches don't matter if the coalition is big enough!
~Chara
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However both Mew and Eraserhead are scumreading Alchemist and Stw is mindmelding with me and Ari on that slot.In post 2157, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
I mean a Mew red flip also probably indicate a stw green flip but 1) Mew didn’t imply stw was town while voting stw and 2) stw has momentum.In post 2025, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
You’re voting Stw to solely to clear Mew?In post 1979, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Hmmm...In post 1559, Shoshin the worst wrote:So are we....
VOTE: shoshin the worst
If this reds I think Mew is spewed town
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Scum #3? According to Profilhead, If Scum!MS is trying to get a counterwagon to Stw. how does that constitute bussing?In post 2158, pinturicchio wrote:
Scum n°3 could be bussing, that's what he meant.In post 2156, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Wait, you think 3 scum are bussing? Are you saying scum is bussing Stw wagon? *confused*In post 2141, ProFlavor wrote:The good thing for us is that there is some quite strong opinions
I was thinking Meph and MS could have been scum together but I don’t think 2 of 3 scum follow each other to drive a mislynch on me
This does draw me back to the point Pint made about MS pocketing Meph - so let’s say Meph is just wrong town, MS was just following Meph - that would insinuate that MS was letting wrong!meph lead a mislynch and that was on Mewp
Now almost the same thing is happening again, MS is encouraging Mephi to advocate for me
So this leads me to -
ms scum - trying to manipulate
Mephi town - being played by MS
STW - scum - Ms is trying to get a CW
Mewp town - a previous victim of ms manipulation
If you are following this, it should indicate we are another STW counter wagon
If someone held a gun to my headI’d say scum 3 is bussing already ]/b]but that’s fine and I’ve no idea who rn nor does it matter as it’s iust a distraction
Interesting
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I have to point out the obvious, that it’s not exactly smart of Stw to alienate Creature here, so why doesn’t scum!Stw, just pocket him then?In post 2094, Krazy wrote:ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Are you saying the 3rd vote on that wagon, which would be Kokichi, is a bus, because I really don’t believe that. Also, specifically targeting the 3rd vote, seems awfully specific?In post 2162, ProFlavor wrote:1. I’m saying I think STW is scum and MS also scum, I’m betting that scum 3 is already on the STW wagon for the purposes of I’m about to sleep and I may get lynched so you need my dying declaration now
1b. Why on earth would I say scum is already bussing in reference to my own wagon implying I am infact scum? That’s where your logic seems to be going with that statement ??
2. I’m saying what if, given the post 1 and 1b refer to made me reflect and think you are town, that I was just wrong on thinking you are scum
It seems like we are miscommunicating a lot but hopefully we get a STW lynch tonight, I am confident in so I hope that’s a scum lynch and we can go into day 2 ready to review our reads and work together
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Don’t remind me of the puzzle from hell, I got stuck with.In post 2166, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
I’d be down, but might be rusty as my last chess experience might have been that chess puzzle I did in Undertale MafiaIn post 2125, ProFlavor wrote:
With a lot of quoting in the chess forumIn post 2115, Varsoon wrote:@Creature: How do I play
If either of you want to play lmk or start a thread over there etc etc
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Okay fair but is it manipulation, if it happens to be what I’m thinking in response to your post? I’m trying to sort you, yes? so when you say something that pings me, it’s obviously going to affect my read on you.In post 2167, pinturicchio wrote:
Ok, let me reword that: I feel manipulated by you when you keep saying that kind of shit when I'm just trying to work with you. I didn't say that me disagreeing makes it manipulation, I said that you saying your read on me is changing to scum anytime I disagree with you feels like manipulation.In post 2160, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Please don’t tell me what I’m thinking, because you’d be very wrong about that. I am saying what I believe to be accurate, the fact that you disagree, doesn’t make it “manipulation” of any kind. Neither is it remotely fair or accurate of you to infer I actually don’t believe what I’m saying - I do and that I’m confibiasing that slot. I’m not!In post 2145, pinturicchio wrote:
Could you stop saying that? That's manipulation, Nancy. I won't stop posting things that you don't like 'cause you're fucking around my alignment.In post 2143, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Again. posts like this one, make me waffle again on you.In post 2139, pinturicchio wrote:I was talking to Michael Scott there, not you, Nancy. Also, I would ask you not to hyperbole some things: saying that Profil "automatically jumps to scumreading me and sketchily advocating for my mislynch, for absolutely no good reason" is in no way what happened. He hasn't said he's scumreading you, it wasn't sketchy since he explained why he would vote you (on the "shade" he threw at you).
In what world his his push to mislynch me, not sketchy?
He doesn't know your alignment; no matter how much times you say "he's pushing a mislynch on me", he doesn't know it's a mislynch unless he's scum. And I don't agree he's pushing you, not even a bit. If he pushes you on D2, yeah sure do your thing, but you're just exaggerating something he said in order to have more arguments to scumread him.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Discrediting everything you say and falsely accusing you of manipulation and confiasing ProFlavor? Go fuck yourself, I'm not losing anymore of my time with you.In post 2163, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Yeah, maybe you’re right. I also intensely dislike how he keeps discrediting everything I’m saying and falsely accusing me of “manipulation” and confibiasing Eraserhead. His hard defending of Mew, also makes 0 sense to me. It reeks of whiteknighting.In post 2146, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Honestly the way Pintu speaks there just seems generally forced. Who calls a reaction great like that?In post 1996, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
No it wasn’t. Mew’s reaction was horrible and very unlike town!Mew.In post 1943, pinturicchio wrote:I'm at page 53. Mew's reaction to his wagon was great. How he approached Nancy is exactly how I'm feeling right now: she just defends her townreads by attacking whoever is scumreading them. Flavor's reaction to Mew's wagon is townie as hell too, but I already said this. I don't see any scum intention on how Pro unvoted unless both Mew and Flavor are scum ---> Mew is apparently town because of his reaction ---> both are town, which is much more likely than both being scum (thinking that I caught two out of three scum instead of two out of ten towns... My tinfoil hat is not ready for that)
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Stop telling me what to do already! You aren’t the boss of me.In post 2151, pinturicchio wrote:
Stop doing this shit for fucks sakeIn post 2147, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: Now, to top it all off. Profilhead wants ly mislynch and Pint inexplicably doesn’t consider that to be even remotely scummy when the town!Profil response obviously ought to be, Nancy is just plain wrong but it isn’t. Am I the only one who doesn’t need a building to fall on my head, to see this?
Interesting, so do you think flaking drags out the replacement time or is that totally irrelevant?In post 2171, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Yeah, you’re getting it. It’s not black-and-white, but I’ve NEVER seen Nico replace out willingly as scum.In post 2165, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Oh okay, so you’re saying scum!Nico flakes and town!Nico replaces out? But if you miss the prodge 3 times or fail to respond in the alotted time, it still gets your slot replaced anyhow.In post 2148, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Yes. Here’s the thing: she flaked from OK1. She replaced out of Heroes Wanted. This lines up with her meta of preferring scum: scum!her would try to stay in if struggling to keep up, town her would give up at that point.In post 2022, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Gamma, remember OK 1, where she flaked as scum and was replaced by Tails?In post 1972, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
Honestly kinda in agreement hereIn post 1518, ProFlavor wrote:
it made me think she might be town but it's a bit wifom'yIn post 1517, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Nico might be scum here
Also need to check where else Nico opted to replace out of a game because I remember one instance but not what alignment she was or which game
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Anyway, T & L, always town here. I tend to townread players who don’t mindfuck me in general.
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I think the EXACT opposite and you swearing at me, doesn’t convince of shit!In post 2187, pinturicchio wrote:No. You know what I've been doing? Engaging with you, talking about your reads and my reads 'cause we've been disagreeing a lot and I want to understand your approach and why is so different to mine. Discrediting my balls, saying I feel manipulated is a fucking feeling, and being confbiased by ProFlavor is YOU discrediting MY reads.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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So, use your head people, why does scum!Stw go out of their way to alienate Creature, when they know they’re the lead wagon?In post 2189, pinturicchio wrote:
7 on STW, Chara voted them and said it was L-1In post 2188, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
6 on Stw and 4 on ProflavorIn post 2179, u r a person 2 wrote:I'm driving and like a million pages behind. What are the vote counts on the wagons?
In what world does this make sense if they’re scum here?ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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We have a little less than 5 hours, so could someone please unvote?ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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You’re at L-1.In post 2192, Shoshin the worst wrote:Hi. No chance of catching up for now. What's going on?ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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I’m just trying to figure out the game, like everyone else.In post 2193, pinturicchio wrote:
Me swearing at you is pure frustration of you not seeing I'm trying to cooperate and say that I'm just discrediting you when I've clearly dedicated a lot of time to engage with you. Sorry for insulting you, it was uncalled for.In post 2190, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
I think the EXACT opposite and you swearing at me, doesn’t convince of shit!In post 2187, pinturicchio wrote:No. You know what I've been doing? Engaging with you, talking about your reads and my reads 'cause we've been disagreeing a lot and I want to understand your approach and why is so different to mine. Discrediting my balls, saying I feel manipulated is a fucking feeling, and being confbiased by ProFlavor is YOU discrediting MY reads.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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You’re at L-1.In post 2192, Shoshin the worst wrote:Hi. No chance of catching up for now. What's going on?
What part of you’re at L-1 aren’t you getting? And hell no, why do I ever lynch obvtown Creature here?In post 2196, Shoshin the worst wrote:Don't unvote if we have less than 5 hours. Lynch Kokichi or ProFlavor or Creature.
Creature, who incidentally isn’t currently voting you.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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What does that mean exactly? In what world do you think I’d ever do this as scum?In post 2199, Shoshin the worst wrote:Nancy's pushed on her scumrange but hasn't quiteeee broken out of it (thus is a compliment)
Ari was obvtownShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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He sounds very similar to how he played in YGM.In post 2202, Shoshin the worst wrote:Uhh not voting me has nothing to do with his town status. Actually him freezing his vote on Pintu is scum indicative.
He's not town here. How is he obvtown to you? I have the next couple of hours to talk you out of itShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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I think it’s blatantly obvious now, that you’re flipping town. On the extremely unlikely chance that you’re actually scum, you should win an anti-scummy for the worst attempt at self-pres in Mafia history.In post 2204, Shoshin the worst wrote:
We have you at like 80% town and Ari at like 95% townIn post 2203, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
What does that mean exactly? In what world do you think I’d ever do this as scum?In post 2199, Shoshin the worst wrote:Nancy's pushed on her scumrange but hasn't quiteeee broken out of it (thus is a compliment)
Ari was obvtown
you're a townslot, just reminding everyone of our reasoningShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Well, that’s how I’ve felt from some of your posts tbh.In post 2206, pinturicchio wrote:
I know, but saying that all I've doing today has been discrediting you and confbiasing ProFlavor is unfair. I've done a lot, and how I have approached you, with a lot of patience, makes me feel awful. Feels like a waste of time to try to work with you to align our reads.In post 2197, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
I’m just trying to figure out the game, like everyone else.In post 2193, pinturicchio wrote:
Me swearing at you is pure frustration of you not seeing I'm trying to cooperate and say that I'm just discrediting you when I've clearly dedicated a lot of time to engage with you. Sorry for insulting you, it was uncalled for.In post 2190, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
I think the EXACT opposite and you swearing at me, doesn’t convince of shit!In post 2187, pinturicchio wrote:No. You know what I've been doing? Engaging with you, talking about your reads and my reads 'cause we've been disagreeing a lot and I want to understand your approach and why is so different to mine. Discrediting my balls, saying I feel manipulated is a fucking feeling, and being confbiased by ProFlavor is YOU discrediting MY reads.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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This slot’s 100% flipping town.In post 2194, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:We have a little less than 5 hours, so could someone please unvote?ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Good chance I’m dying tonight. I don’t understand with close to 5 hours, you’re at L-1 now. All it takes is for someone. - possibly the remaining scum, to hammer?In post 2210, Shoshin the worst wrote:We're very obviously town. I thought the gaping hole where our charisma was in starcraft mafia 1 was proooobably gonna catch people's eyes but half of this list is either scum or scum-siding xDShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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Who would he be pocketing? Certainly not me? Yeah but probably town. Creature also said that and I think you’re wrong about Creature.In post 2214, Shoshin the worst wrote:Pintu/Nancy is t/t > s/t >>>> s/s, someone reality check what pintu's saying pls because it's a pretty uncanny scum pocket if it's realShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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I'm sorry then. Me disagreeing with you was in no way intended to make you feel discredited, I just wanted to understand your point of view 'cause it's too different to mine. I'm no way thinking I have better reads than yours or that your reads sucks. It's just that the way we approach games are different.[/quote]In post 2218, pinturicchio wrote:
Well, that’s how I’ve felt from some of your posts tbh.In post 2211, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
I know, but saying that all I've doing today has been discrediting you and confbiasing ProFlavor is unfair. I've done a lot, and how I have approached you, with a lot of patience, makes me feel awful. Feels like a waste of time to try to work with you to align our reads.In post 2206, pinturicchio wrote: I’m just trying to figure out the game, like everyone else.
Alright.ShowHydra of Aristophanes and Nancy Drew 39
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