BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

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Only if PP is scum with either drewva or Profii, Nev.

With the way they have almost been conducting a coordinated assault on our slot i could easily see PP being scum with Drew.

Your play today put you on the table for a Lynch fmpov as well so eh.

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Elsa is either traitor gifted ascetic N1 or town.

When did elsa claim traitor? Was it day 1? If scum thought it was true and then won a boonus round with ascetic in it, elsa would be a great choice to be gifted something that would essentially conceal them.

So Ascetic was a gifts let role in Nero/Gammas game N1 and I think in creature/Dave's game?? But Profii as a scum inventor could have sent Ascetic to Elsa as well.

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Profii- inventor
Drewva- activator
BEF- SFVendor

There are only 3 non whitelisted roles possible.

In order for a redirector to be in the setup, one of those has to not be. DrewVa's role is funtionally confirmed by the fact that the activations did actually happen.
BEF's role is confirmed by the existence of sticky fruit.
If profii made up his role he could be a redirector. It would be incredibly bad play to fakeclaim a role that was going to be mechanically confirmed as scum later in the game, so profii almost certainly has a variant role.

DrewVa's role is confirmed but is the role AI?

If we could put three people in boonus and also redirect night actions this setup would be wildly scumsided

Profii might actually have to be scum and that confuses me

But it also excites me lol

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I'd agree with this actually, I don't think the flipped scum roles are weak enough to warrant a role like Drewva's on their side.

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Only if PP is scum with either drewva or Profii, Nev.

With the way they have almost been conducting a coordinated assault on our slot i could easily see PP being scum with Drew.

Your play today put you on the table for a Lynch fmpov as well so eh.

And look what happens when people actually fucking acknowledge me in real time and interact with me. Crazy how that shit happens.

I don't know you, or how you play. Your defensive rants, abrasive nature, and insulting tone are all scummy to me but I know people play that way as town *cough* Nero.

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No one talk to N&M. It makes them salty, which is funny as hell FMPOV.

I just get frustrated because I dont understand the game sometimes and I feel like there is still a level of players above me who just talk in this other language and I get lost. Then when I see something and start pushing it I get shoved to the kiddy table while the adults are talking. So I lash out.

Fair.

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I'd agree with this actually, I don't think the flipped scum roles are weak enough to warrant a role like Drewva's on their side.

Narp.

Every targeting role in the game has the potential to become as strong as a full cop. Town has a literal fuckton of power in this game, gated only by the swinginess of winning prizes.

I expect every member of the scumteam has a useful power to compensate. I expect half of those powers to be decent enough as realclaims.

A scum activator has the potential to control every boonus round. Which has the potential to make town completely vanilla. I think that's what mountainous setups are here? But I could be wrong I'm not sure. If they can manipulate the entire game in that way I'm surprised how we got even this far.

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Addendum: I understand drewva doesn't control what rooms her activations go into, they could all end up in the same room but the potential remains.

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Add to that I don't know why scum activator would ever activate town. From there based on how Xtoxm played the boonus round openly claiming to start leads me to believe he's not scum with drewva. He didn't try to manipulate the boonus round in any way which would be a priority with a scum activator imo.

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As claimed Drewva only influences 1/3 of the player list for the initial Boonus rounds, and does so publically. The role is completely viable for scum. Mechanical clears are only there for actual mechanical reasons.

Still, DrewVa is probably town, but it has nothing to do with their role.

So with 3 activations there could potentially be 1 scum in each initial round to gate any +1 to town and even possibly win it for themselves if the conditions are right.

Not all of town are going to use their shot night 1 but it could happen.

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Add to that I don't know why scum activator would ever activate town. From there based on how Xtoxm played the boonus round openly claiming to start leads me to believe he's not scum with drewva. He didn't try to manipulate the boonus round in any way which would be a priority with a scum activator imo.

DrewVa ABSOLUTELY manipulated our N1 BOONus round under their theory that I would win and vig them. Read Alonzo's ISO and it confirms DrewVa played dirty that round.

Small sample size. Also I was in OK2 and see why Nancy would play a boonus round with you night 1 that way knowing what kind of player Nancy is.

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Could be bad scum play too

Lol I fall into this too thinking scum are going to play perfectly.

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Yes, activator and inventor take up the variant slots at the moment. Which would mean no redirector and someone lying about how TLK got the stickyfruit.

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Bef scum makes the pool gamma/Nero/Dave/creature.

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Doesn't make any of them town, just means they aren't scum with you.

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Possibly, before today I don't know who else brought up variants being locked besides myself.

So not like it was deeply discussed.

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Wait implying Bef is fake claiming?

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Sfv is confirmed via TLK.

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Not like he's going anywhere.

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I gave profii the fruit because I tr him. If I was scum do you think I would pass it to town!profii?

if you are scum, you only passed to profii because your action was locked before night ended and you didn't realize you were not winning in the boonus round.

I have to consider it given what else I know about what profii will eventually claim; I had some pretty good reasons to think he was town ngl

Boon also does occasionally do really weird bullshit. One of the two of you could be withold part of your claim; you could be a disloyal sticky fruit vendor; profii could be a disloyal inventor.

disloyal scum sticky fruit vendor would theoretically explain why you would eventually plan to cross-claim profii

like either way there had to be some pretty wifomy plays made this game

I still find it mindblowing that profii would try to generate a lynch on TLK by lying about who he gave fruit 0.o

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I have yet to see anything that indicates roles have permanent modifiers to start the game.

You have until end of boonus games to change night targets, if he saw he was going to lose I don't see why he couldn't change his target to a partner.

Profii and Bef could still be partners, not likely.

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Nancy how did the stickyfruit get from Profii to TLK?

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Are you holding the second shot?

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Follow up question, why?

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Are you holding the second shot?

No.

Then night 3 you sent another fruit out? Gifts don't take a charge from your role ability do they?

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That's weak boon, thumbs down.

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Oh thought you meant you asked about it taking the charge, disregard Boon, don't modkill me.

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So potentially 2 innos from your perspective. The second target hasn't claimed to have a fruit so possible scum. Unless you sent it to cheeky. Anyone with fruit should claim before outing where you sent it though.

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Is that a Bef joke?

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If you can tell me what Scum!me achieves with correcting my claim there I'll Sudoku myself right now.

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Correcting your claim, over lynching Una over the contradiction?
Una lynch means you're lynched next when Una flips named townie.
Correcting it seems like the right thing to do for scum who falsely guessed he was Vanilla.

If I'm motion detector or tracker or something with a false negative and he refutes it by hard claiming PR isn't that more reason to hold to my claim? Also theres no way I get Una lynched in that scenario with SS just having come off his rug pull. So why out my check as scum unprompted and without the intention of lynching Una?

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Last night, I used my loyal 1-shot neighborizer on [DrewVa], and now [she] [is] confirmed town to me.

Last night he neighborized. Does PP have multitasking?

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Or does it not interfere with role based night actions?

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Why claim at all then?

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That was to Thanos.

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Towncred? There's no reason for scum *not* to fakeclaim early, now, is there?

Then I'm stuck with a Bunyip claim. Or I could have held it and cross claimed someone here in massclaim.

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So I think I correctly detailed scum motivation in retracting the claim over pushing Una over the contradiction, especially since you admit Una would be hard to lynch; and also questioned why claiming early is necessarily town indicative.

Sudoku time?

Sure if I was scum fake claiming and retracting it would make Una hard to Lynch. I also wouldn't hard townread Una the whole day before. I asked what it gained me however. That definitely doesn't gain me towncred so.

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So I'm willing to buy that TLK was passed the stickyfruit via PP's target over there being a redirector. Because if that isn't true the exact scumteam is Drewva/Profii/PP. I think all three are town. Also willing to buy that Profii is as claimed without a variant cc.

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I think Profiis stickyfruit comment was glossed over. In the rolecard it is implied the stickyfruit has an ability. If the stickyfruit ability transfers itself to the receivers target then it isn't necessarily a cross claim.

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No, I mean if you didn't retract it Una would still be hard to lynch.
Why would hard townreading Una have anything to do with that?
Retracting the claim was beneficial for scum!you; cause not doing so would get you killed.

Because I would be actively initiating a 1v1 with my hard townread which is ?????

I'm just going to assume you think I'm bad scum and move on.

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I think Profiis stickyfruit comment was glossed over. In the rolecard it is implied the stickyfruit has an ability. If the stickyfruit ability transfers itself to the receivers target then it isn't necessarily a cross claim.

Nope. This would mean that stickyfruit would have transferred itself to profii's target N1. Penguin.

Hmm you're right.

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I think Profiis stickyfruit comment was glossed over. In the rolecard it is implied the stickyfruit has an ability. If the stickyfruit ability transfers itself to the receivers target then it isn't necessarily a cross claim.

In which case shouldn't bef know what it is and therefore be lying by omission?

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Why would Bef know what it is?

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Oh yeah. Creature confirmation and profii townflip incriminates Penguin. BEF scumflip incriminates one of the day 1 winners.

Anything that incriminates Penguin incriminates drewva.

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No his rolecard is on the front page.

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Why wouldn't PP be loyal on a Profii townflip?

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Then we would have to assume SS had multiple shots by night 3. Which would mean one scum with night 1/night 2 winners.

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Why wouldn't PP be loyal on a Profii townflip?

I still wanted to hear your thought there jingle.

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Profii would have retained the stickyfruit then.

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Hmm no that was night 1.

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VOTE: profii
he was in my town core too
if these both end up being town then TLK fucked us

How did TLK fuck us exactly?

If both are town it means TLK probably didn't have the stickyfruit which is what this 1v1 is based on.

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I want to get a shotgunned readslist from Bef and Profii before I vote. If it's in the last couple pages please repost it because I'm not sifting through you guys toxic implosions. Sorry not sorry to all involved.

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Look Nev it's like this. If Bef is scumvendor we don't want a stickyfruit in their hands. If Profii is the scum here and flips that way tomorrow then the game is solved and they can concede or whatever.

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Profii as scum doesn't have a nightly impact but Bef scum does.

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Profii as scum doesn't have a nightly impact but Bef scum does.

How do you know that profii has no ability at night? If he is scum then he could have easily lied.

Look. I get that we are lynching BEF today. What I don't like is bringing up what I feel are valid points that show a better lynch somewhere else, imo, and getting shit on because of it. I get that I can be wrong, but to handwave me away because I see things differently is disgusting.

Is Drewva your better Lynch? Discounting some fucked mechanic there's one between Bef or profii. We're guaranteed to hit scum tonday or tomorrow.

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I want it to go on record I claimed Traitor day 1 this game and am still alive by some miracle.

What the hell are you doing guys. Atleast a vigi should have shot me or something.

I'm still waiting to be gifted a vig shot.

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Umm...I missed a post that didn't really mean much...you missed entire concepts. Same thing...

If you're town, stop playing the "woe is me" card. It's scummy.

If I find out you're town, I'll do what I always do when I'm wrong. Reassess.

Ok fine. Can you point me in the direction of that conversation so I can look at it for myself? I'm not even sure who to iso to find it.

Hey PP, you must be on mobile again, so heres a repost.

It's workload related idk an exact post.

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Profiis reads aren't necessary they just would have been nice to have. I've already voted.

Couple thoughts to keep in mind if both flip town jingle could be gaming. A Profii green flip means PP is loyal. A scum stickyfruit vendor and scum fruit vendor would make me lol. Hope this is a thing now tbh.

Shoot Elsa regardless of alignment.

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I reposted and then he said he didnt understand. You were quick to come to his aid though...

They are aligned and playing as such idk why that's surprising.

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Yes I'd like the day to end. The longer the day lasts the more drewva vs never we get and I don't find it all too productive.

Also the slots fading out of the game are unlikely to get productive out of nowhere, do with that what you will.

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Is n&m going anywhere? Why would that be more relevant than Profii/Bef?

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I'll go on record saying I want to Lynch Profii first but I'm voting bef.

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I'm just wondering because it seems like right now you're trying to bait the lynch away from him to yourself right now.

So either you know he is scum and he has a more valuable role than yours, or you know he is town and you want to give everyone shit before the flip.

Either way I don't really see how your play at this moment is uninformed.

i.e., if N&M is informed of how BEF flips, does that therefore make N&M a more consistent red flip than BEF despite the 1v1?

-d

N&m is the only protective claimed with a shot so scum likely has to deal with him if he's town and if he isn't we have an absurd amount of mislynches so, meh.

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I'll go on record saying I want to Lynch Profii first but I'm voting bef.

can you expand on this?

-d

Partially Bef's cluelessness partially his ate. More Importantly Profiis flip resolves slots relevant to my reads so it's more of a selfish want than anything

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Cool so two conf town in PP and Dave if PP verifies that was his target

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This is going to be pure wifom but it seems like scum medic dodged...so there's that.

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I would have preferred you resolved Elsa with the fruit but on Bef's scumflip I think she's town anyways.

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Scum only shoot there if Profii is scum to buy Profii another day. But Profiis role was confirmed by PP who is lock town based on Drewva's flip. All of his gifts have been confirmed besides the loud sent to creature.

The only reason scum uses that shot to buy a partner an extra day is to move charges around or to let Profii use his charges if he has them. A scum inventor isn't worth the charge or conftowning PP over.

I might be inclined to rethink if PP had been the nightkill because it means N&M is definitely a fake claim and scum knew they could use the day is on drewva and take PP out the same night. But.....here we are.

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Bef you flailed EoD, flailed in the boonus round and are flailing now. If you die and flip town it makes Profii scum. I doubt that's how this plays out though.

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Profii is the reason PP is conftown.

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None of those have anything to do with why Profii should be confscum from your perspective.

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Didn't Creature and someone elsa target me with a relative clear night 3? I could swear it happened. The bonuses not being apart of the flip makes this hard.

Creature and Dave did...both who happen to be conf!town now.

Wasn't there a debate about someone in a Boonus round possibly being scum and giving a disloyal because those couldn't have both gotten gifted it? I think DrewVa mentioned this in our hood.
I think DrewVa getting killed might've been the kick I needed to care about this game. No one shall escape justice!

Spoiler:

This was about SS who also claimed to have been gifted Disloyal. It isn't relevant now.

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Profii is the reason PP is conftown.

That shouldn't matter if me flipping town makes profii scum.

profii makes PP conftown but does town!pp make profii conftown?

It doesn't go both ways

No it doesn't go both ways but scum Profii would know the loyal he sent out was to town and that shooting drewva confirmed PP.

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I'd have to agree scum is being surrounded and they are panicking.

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Did scum skip on a kill to use their abilities night 3?

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Ahh well, since the games solved I'll just be here to meme every once in awhile. See ya in post game boys.

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Wait what? Even if you don't trust Nev you give it to Nev and if PP does it's a scum claim. I thought that's what you were going to do q.q

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Dies*

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Prediction for the day is that we flip Profii and he flips town and jingle laughs and laughs ....and laughs and laughs and laughs.

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I lost a fair bit of interest in this game but, here goes.

I think Elsa jumped up a fair bit in my list based on the boonus round, sure it could have been an act to play me but she seemed to genuinely believe Bef was scum as did I with the dayvig.

Profii has to flip at this point so eh. Still think he could be town.

Jingle probably isn't scum, I'll trust drewva on this read. For now.

Xtoxm just town. Dave town.

Don't remember what made Thanos mechanically town, I missed that class.

Una being upfront with his claim and theta sorting duck before that looks town with my screwed claim.

Who does that leave? Gamma, Nero, nev?

Gamma and Nero voting together as scum would have been the only pair to do so day 1?

Also Profii and Elsa were both present eod day 1 while no one else at the bottom of that votecount was around. 4 votes doesn't seem like enough to push a Lynch through but is probably worth trying for so it's interesting why Profii is solo voting Elsa EoD and scum isn't countering the flippy wagon at all.

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I'm not useful without modifiers, especially with every slot claiming a role unless I pulled like a vanilla result on someone. We lynched the vts so yea.

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What is the entire logic on profii because if it's still mostly the mechanical stuff In still not ending the day

Mostly mechanical, all mechanical even. I'll Lynch Profii but I think we royally screwed up with jingles mechanical order.

Now the vig on drewva kind of makes sense if the mechanical pool is only going to yield town flips anyways. Just some food for thought.

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This was a really uneventful day, end it.

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I'm around, just read up. My summary is -- LOL.

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1.) Send gifts
2.) Wait for claims
3.) ???
4.) Profit

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Regardless of what happens today, Dave should prioritize neighborizing over tracking.

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Wait. Who did Profii asceticize?

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There was talk of an extra disloyal floating around claimed by caught scum SS.

PP is confirmed to have received the loyal modifier by virtue of his flip. I brought up the Ascetic because i thought Dave had received fruit but Ascetic could be in play.

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You and creature both watched and tracked Elsa the same night I believe. The disloyal modifier doesn't necessarily come into play and was a night Elsa was a prime investigative target. As scum she would have known this I believe.

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Still think Elsa is town but she still has to be resolved before lylo.

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10k

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Is mine

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I don't remember what the creature plan was just that the relevant slots are gone.

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If I triple my post count, I still will have less posts than nancy-hydra. That is terrifying.

That's just how Nancy games go.

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4 month long game, that's wild tbh.

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My thought for gifting Dave was his disloyal modifier, so I was hoping to have Dave avoid using his ability and neighborizing instead for a soft check.

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Unless modifiers don't apply to gifted abilities? I don't see why they wouldn't if it's a targeting action.

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Two birds in the bush is worth my two cents.

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I've been on a malaphor kick don't judge me.

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Oh ok I was thinking if his target didn't move he would receive no result as feedback. That makes sense then.

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Hmm x neighborizing Thanos is just to avoid a scum kill targeted there yes? Scum have to choose between one of the 4 being alignment tied. In that case one of the 4 remaining is left in limbo but one pairing still resolves.

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Tbh I've lost track of prizes claimed. Afaik all prizes have been as claimed. Eraser has been present the last 2 night or is it 3?

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Una/ej both have weak modifiers. If they don't then ej/Una is the team. Una received weak from Profii and EJ received weak from Una.

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Disregard then.

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Hmm x neighborizing Thanos is just to avoid a scum kill targeted there yes?

Nope. If x isn't multitasking he can't neighborize and roleblock.

In that case X should neighborize you.

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The reason I wasn't suggesting that was to prevent a world of me/x team being able to roleblock and fake the neighborize for all of you.

I figured but if you scumgineered everything up to this point I'm nominating you anyways. Don't think I have a problem with X neighborizing you.

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The sweetest cut is the one you don't share.

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VOTE: End the day

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I thought Una was supposed to target me to force the me vs Nero 1v1?

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Will admit I stopped paying attention partway through the day.

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Oh, xtoxm neighborized me.

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Well I'm telling you I'm in a neighborhood with him now. Are you willing to trade 1 for 1 with him if he flips town?

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Oh wait Una targeted X.

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Sure we have a mislynch to blow after X flips I think?

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Oh, we don't. Unfortunate.

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So, theories on the extra flip?

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So I'll go back through boo us wins and winners since listening to Elsa at this point will lose us the game. Multitasking is possible and may have been gifted since prizes haven't been as important to keep track of the last half of the game.

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Xtoxm is caught scum, I'm talking about me. His alignment doesn't change the fact that I'm sitting in a neighborhood with him.

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That's irrelevant if Una died targeting him.

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If Elsa was blocked then xtoxm is multitasking. If not Elsa is lying so.

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I've already asked and no one seems like they have a clue either. I'm assuming a factional ability.

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Una was made weak by jingle and Elsa was made weak by Una. I think the team is just xtoxm/Elsa tbh. I think following the plan resulted in a scum loss last night and this is last ditch to pull something out. Xtoxm is going down via Una regardless of what Xtoxms partner does so claiming roleblocked is an easy buss.

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Xtox was supposed to hood jingle to test alignment.
Xtox "hooded" RCE instead.
Elsa claimed to be blocked, and the only one who could do that is Xtox. Unless Xtox got a multitask at some point the rcehood should have been Toxs 1 action last nigjt.

Yeah, but why would X hood RCE?
Jingle died so there's no way of proving that X didn't neighborize Jingle.

How would X targeting Jingle test alignment btw?

Just wifom to mislynch me.

Xtoxm hooding wasn't about alignment. It was just to keep the claimed roleblocker busy.

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Una was made weak by jingle and Elsa was made weak by Una. I think the team is just xtoxm/Elsa tbh. I think following the plan resulted in a scum loss last night and this is last ditch to pull something out. Xtoxm is going down via Una regardless of what Xtoxms partner does so claiming roleblocked is an easy buss.

So elsa couldnt hood nero because she would die as weak? Claims blocked and busses the shit out of her partner to get more town cred?>

Yes, is that a stretch?

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I feel Dave or jingle would hav mentioned being made weak.

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Hmm. You think xtoxm had to pick one to go through and block the other? Why would he prioritize making sure Nero wasn't confirmed over him being confirmed scum?

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VOTE: end the day

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I'd lol.

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Anyone else get an extra message in their confessional?

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I don't think you have to if we can sort the boonus rooms out.

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If we can account for the modifiers from the appearance of eraser to now then Nero is just the last scum. Actually if we can account for all but 1 I think.

So three scenarios:

1.) Elsa lied about hooding since she is weak and would have endgamed the scumteam

2.) Xtoxm was holding a multitask modifier and roleblocked Elsa. I still don't know why he would do that but it's possible.

3.) Nero was made Ascetic?

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Fwiw I don't think Elsa kills nev.

Or maybe zeroing in on me was the setup for it idk.

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Rolecop
Jailkeep
Renegade
Roleblocker
Goon?

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I was hooded so why wouldn't I out that information.

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Also, how does that do him or me any favors if he's mechanically outed via una's death?

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Elsa, please. We are trying to solve the game.

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If there's no other way to explain my neighborhood and Elsa not hooding Nero then yes.

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Yeah sorry I was looking through for loyal claims. Being weak only kills when targeting scum. But the hood going through and Elsa surviving would confirm Nero.

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I've been sitting on a charge, Nero is vanilla. I was told Thanos is town but I'm not entirely sure why? Not that it changes anything.

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Dave was for sure the nightkill target, how jingle died I still don't know.

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I don't want to no Lynch today btw, we just end tomorrow with me, Nero, Elsa. I don't think I'm the only one that got the message you were town.

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Oh lol then yes I'm the only one that got it. Makes sense, I thought you just sent out neighborhoods tbh.

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I recalled the same but maybe it was about loyal and not weak.

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Ehh, Nev was soft defending Elsa yesterday, or at least attempting to get a grasp on the actions.

I think it's a decision that's trivial to Scum!Nero but vital to scum!Elsa.

Playing devil's advocate I kill nev as scum certainly. Like I said I didn't even know what Thanos role really does.

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You're right. I'm just throwing scenarios out.

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Literally last night.

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It's been a string of messy nights. I didn't even account for the boonus round we all won in so I had a charge and used it last night.

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If brainfarting on a hypothetical loses the game I'll take that blame tbh.

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Lol we haven't played together right? I don't plan as either alignment.

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I didn't really get to play there. I caught some of it though.

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Yeah it would have prevented the vig.

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Well not last night but the night before. Jingle gave xtoxm the neighborizor I believe as part of the plan. So yeah makes sense actually.

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would it make more sense for me to be one of the weak targets
to cover me theoretically rb one of the weak dudes

I'd argue this was intentional to prevent a clear. It would fit with choosing to rolestop Elsa tbh. The plan as intended endgames scum. Last ditch sacrifice? I don't know where xtoxm intended to go from there though.

[RCEnigma]

Well he claimed roleblocker but flipped rolestopper I think. So that's not really a tell.

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Actually the most likely thing that comes to mind is the night drewva/myself/SS compromised after the tlk hammer. Profii didn't confirm that he received neighborizer until after SS pleaded for him to check. Which makes me think he didn't have it and didn't know what was going on till it was SS that said it was gifted.

If Nero is a goon it makes sense SS' dying move would be to get another charge in xtoxm's hand.

[RCEnigma]

I can't confirm anything obviously.

[RCEnigma]

Why would SS dying on TLK make you think I'm a goon?

You can only be a goon if you come back with a vanilla result afaik.

[RCEnigma]

Drewva sent a neighborizer that night, SS was supposed to neighborize Profii and I made Nero loud.

[RCEnigma]

I don't regret shooting scum just cause they lived lol -d

Then why not vote EJ?

Ask RCE. He can back us up. SS claimed to offer Profil a hood. Profil never received said hood, which confirms that SS lied to me and RCE about what he was going to do with his prize.

[RCEnigma]

Context, multitask was one of the prizes and the reason drewva and I went back and forth over wether it was worth everyone getting a win or no one getting a win.

[RCEnigma]

Why would SS dying on TLK make you think I'm a goon?

You can only be a goon if you come back with a vanilla result afaik.

I can also be a vanilla townie (which is what I am.)

you already have a nilla result on me so I'm not getting your logic.

You could be. I'm saying if you're the last scum then the last scum is a goon.

[RCEnigma]

The SS thing wasn't about you it was about how Xtoxm could have gotten multitask so???

[RCEnigma]

Elsa as scum could be like anything tbh and I went back and forth with who was the better one to check. Ultimately decided both checks were pointless but I can bp vanillas for the night so there's that at least.

[RCEnigma]

No more charges no.

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It wasn't useful for me without a modifier and you were a townread at the time.

[RCEnigma]

I don't recall. Think the idea was make you loud to check you later. Actually remembering that now, you know I checked you because of the modifier at the very least.

I'm not loud, you're getting confused. If I was weak or loyal I would have kept the charges I won.

[RCEnigma]

I still have it backwards. NVM that.

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I mean there isn't anything proving me as scum either except that I was put in a neighborhood with caught scum. Which is a weak reason imo. If it's how the game ends then wp by xtoxm.

[RCEnigma]

I think it's just Nero tbh. Do I think it's possible xtoxm bussed all of his teammates with the knowledge in mind that there is a traitor? Yes actually but I don't think he rolestops Elsa over rolestopping drewva if the intention was to prevent a vig kill.

[RCEnigma]

Meh, jingle was the only person to push me this game.

[RCEnigma]

Auro was confirmed town even if you think I'm scum.

[RCEnigma]

I expect to be the Lynch here regardless so it's on me to find the missing piece that expose scum. I'm sure dead chat is pointing out that it's something obvious but I don't think I have it in me to put it together. So for that I'm sorry.

[RCEnigma]

Why doesn't Profii just send Elsa the stickyfruit then if he knows her to be scum. It would semi confirm him as traitor to the scumteam.

[RCEnigma]

I haven't given up I just acknowledge there isn't much more I can offer up. That am I'm still not convinced I can rule out Elsa as scum.

So I'm already in a hole playing against both of the hands that can pull me out of it.

[RCEnigma]

Np, fwiw I think SS gaming around Elsa to try and shake his Lynch is the strongest scumpush against her.

[RCEnigma]

Err the strongest evidence against scum!Elsa if you take wifom out of the equation.

[RCEnigma]

I haven't given up I just acknowledge there isn't much more I can offer up. That am I'm still not convinced I can rule out Elsa as scum.

So I'm already in a hole playing against both of the hands that can pull me out of it.

Fine. Let's play a game. Auro, since you want this right, I'll make this even simpler.

UNVOTE:

RC, vote yourself. I won't hammer. That proves I'm not scum to you so you can fully debate me a case why Nero is scum instead.

Do this and townclear me and I'll listen to what you'll say on the matter. Sound fair?

Pedit: I mentioned the possibility of Xtoxm defending Nero, didn't I? I just don't have a confirmation of where he got multitask.

Are votes not in the confessionals anymore? Voting myself in the thread doesn't prove anything.

[RCEnigma]

Ty.

[RCEnigma]

The alternative being the game ends if I'm wrong on it being Nero.

[RCEnigma]

Idk, I find you pushing me because scum didn't to be disingenuous, it's where my hesitation comes in since that also applies to Nero. Claiming I was in a neighborhood was the main knock against me and the rest kind of feels like fluff to make it seem bigger than it is.

On another note going over the votecounts isn't super helpful. I think only the first 3 days are even worth going into since it's been manipulated by the gamestate from SS Lynch onwards.

[RCEnigma]

When Auro is around to mediate I'll consider going for it. We've got time.

[RCEnigma]

No one's voting Nero. I also didn't ask to be hammer tested so.

[RCEnigma]

I think you're more likely. Where did I conftown Elsa?

[RCEnigma]

You're implying fmpov I can only see you as scum so hammer testing Elsa shouldn't be an issue.

[RCEnigma]

Semi around.

[RCEnigma]

Besides my role pm not really. I voted traitor, town, defended McQueen, voted town and voting Profii isn't anything unless scum is informed who traitor is so.

Botched my claim. Was willing to work with drewva and jingle to break the game but I'd probably do that as either alignment if I'm as a time as I was this game. More so early.

I guess my argument is my play is too sloppy to come from scum.

[RCEnigma]

Ahh sorry guys.

[RCEnigma]

-Me forgetting that Profii’s Loud shot should have been blocked as well, so I added it to Creature’s role PM for like 5 minutes before realizing that was wrong, then a day phase after, Creature goes “I feel like I had a modifier, but can’t remember and can’t find the message”. Seriously, how’d you even happen to see it?

LOOOOL

[RCEnigma]

Definitely well played. I probably should have held my tongue on the neighborhood but I just went through my pts and saw an extra room and derp.

I hard townread Nero and xtoxm all game and I couldn't really put together when a multitask would have came out. I was under the assumption that all prizes we're claimed up to like day 4.

[RCEnigma]

Bef calling the venge on Drewva and scum taking the shot right away. Priceless. I feel bad that Elsa and I grilled him in the boonus round after that happened q.q

[RCEnigma]

there used to be a player on this site "LUV" and he'd "give up" regardless of alignment so its like a WIFOM/NAI thing. I wouldn't be that surprised if RCE is going for that.

Don't out this ... I won't be able to use shitty AtE anymore.

[RCEnigma]

Oh also Boon trying to save me from claiming the wrong result minutes before I decided to out my check.

[RCEnigma]

I think like 3 straight pt posts and a pm to try to get my attention lol.

[RCEnigma]

You noticed immediately after...

Ughhh my heart sank though cuz I was so sure Una was conftown with that result.

And then I saw the confessional.

[RCEnigma]

Seriously this game was extremely fun with all the unique mechanics. I had a blast playing this even if it took 8 years off my life.

[RCEnigma]

I will say when Una claimed town ducky I felt extremely betrayed.... TW <.<

[RCEnigma]

I also nomm’d DrewVa for that whole Governor situation. It only let me nom one player there for some reason. They’re the ones that came out as the one getting clown’d, though, haha.

GOVERNOR’D oh my god. That’s never gonna be topped with that perfect setup of Vengeful claim, the legit ending of the day, twilightt acceptable, and the WTF happened to make DrewVa flip.

Not to mention the RCE and Elsa Jay shade in the BOONus Round that night with BEF.

Yeah I thought we bonded over confscumming bef but I guess happening to flip town broke that or whatever. I'm not heartbroken or anything.