BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[mcqueen]

Aren't we not supposed to be outting winners though?

I think it's a good idea to know how the day reps are chosen.

I think it's a massive wifom and not worth any more posts.

It could block scum from using their nominations so I don't see a problem with it.

The most you gain from knowing the winners is the possible modifier they gain.

I think it would help to know BOONus round winners so we can at least attempt to figure out the day rep theory. We need a bigger sample size. I still haven't been involved in a BOONus round too, so it helps me know what's going on. But I won't press much if people don't feel like sharing.

I thought 3/4 day reps were BOONus winners?

1/3 are right now. Not sure if Nero won last night.

[mcqueen]

nero played a game yesterday and is a day rep today

precedent is given to players who havent played the night game according to day rules.

we mislynched someone on the assumption scum inserted someone into day reps...



like i know nero has a lot of town reads but is anyone worried by that?

Good thought process here. I want to keep note of this.

Why should we be worried about that?

This gave me pause when I realized Nero had been in 2 games because I had a theory that 3 scum couldn't occupy 1 room and that randomization pushed 3 together. Someone would have been forced out to compensate but it was a theory.

But now I think everyone has been involved in a boonus round and Nero was the first overlap.

Pretty sure TLK said he still hasn't (correct me if I'm wrong)

out of 22 players the first night: 9 were chosen (9/22), both AC and Alonzo were in a room, so out of 18, 9 more players were chosen (18/20), even if Nero hadn't been picked twice, 2 people still wouldn't have participated. With Nero's double-up, at least 3 players haven't

[mcqueen]

Did you enjoy my gift?

*sigh*

TLK, DID YOU ENJOY PENGUIN’S GIFT?

YW.

What is the YW in reference to?

[mcqueen]

Question: Does the charge transfer prize only allow you to transfer charges, or abilities too? For example, let's say Player A was a 1-shot Vig. If they won and chose the charge transfer, is only the charge transferred to Player B, effectively making Player A a 0-shot Vig and Player B an X+1-shot whatever, or does Player B get a 1-shot Vig ability?

[mcqueen]

dI just PMed Boon about it. I'll wait and see what he says.

[mcqueen]

I don't think we should have been able to view the boonus round room if we weren't in it tbh.

I started typing up a response asking if anyone else felt this way, but I felt like I was being harsh on Boon. Ultimately, it's his decision, but I don't like it either.

I was in Room A last night. BEF is getting on my nerves as of late (that post is coming in a minute), but he seemed town. DrewVa lied to win, but it seems to genuinely come from a place of not wanting BEF to win. Alonzo, well we all know he's town.

Elsa and Una were in it with me Night 2. Elsa and I didn't trust each other, but I felt like Elsa was town. I have a stronger townread on Una, but Una sided with Elsa and hammered me, which bothers me, since Una came in the main game and said I should be the leading voice for town.

You were able to read our game? DVa played in it. Even I haven’t read it tbh.

yeah. I didn’t pay attention which of your heads was playing even though I usually do.

I wanna say I gained a lot of insight on how to read DVa when she’s lying... but maybe I’m being too confident

[mcqueen]

Firstly, the BOONus rounds have nothing to do with our alignments in the main game and secondly, shit was stalled for hours so I lol voted Gamma mostly b/c I didn't know what to do. Why would you think it was suspicious anyways?

Because you don't just lolvote in a 3 player game unless the deadline is very close.

Especially when Thanos asked Gamma to claim... it didn't strike you as weird for Thanos to do that?

Claim role or something else?

So Nero voted Gamma in the BOONus round?

*confused*

Go read it when you’re done. Nev and Max linked it in their ISO

[mcqueen]

Firstly, the BOONus rounds have nothing to do with our alignments in the main game and secondly, shit was stalled for hours so I lol voted Gamma mostly b/c I didn't know what to do. Why would you think it was suspicious anyways?

Because you don't just lolvote in a 3 player game unless the deadline is very close.

Especially when Thanos asked Gamma to claim... it didn't strike you as weird for Thanos to do that?

Claim role or something else?

So Nero voted Gamma in the BOONus round?

*confused*

Go read it when you’re done. Nev and Max linked it in their ISO

[mcqueen]

Tbh Thanos seemed very desperate to win the round. Wonder why that was.

I toyed with the idea, and posted in our BOONus room, that anyone who lies in a BOONus round has some sort of agenda. This isn't entirely true, because if two people claim blue, and the other lies, well their reason for doing so is they just didn't want to lose, especially if one or both of the persons who claimed is a scumread of theirs.

Well of course they do, isn’t that the point of it?

*still confused*

Yeah but my thought process was if two mutually townread players were in the boonus rounds but had different colors there, they should still be honest and compromise (in reality, not in the round) to decide who gets it. Not to lie to each other

[mcqueen]

Can someone explain to me what the +1 that you get from winning a BOONus round does? I still don't understand. Does it give you an additional ability at Night? So, if you were a Cop in the main game and won a BOONus round, you'd get two inspections the following night?

Are you guys gonna keep scumreading McQueen after this post?

Yeah, I think this locks him in as town, since he hasn’t played in it yet, right?

? You ask me that I was able to read your game, but I haven’t played in it yet ??

I was in room A last night lol

[mcqueen]

Just read the BOONus Room C. I don't know what to think at the moment. Right now I'm leaning on TvTvT.

I didn't like Thanos' Night 1 in there, though. I'll re-read it once more, but for now VOTE: Thanos

Are you going to try to build a case on a boonus round game...

yes but i backed off u so

[mcqueen]

You keep stating how BOONus rounds have nothing to do with alignments in this thread, when that's absolutely not true. I agree it's hard to draw conclusions about main-game alignments from the rounds, but to say they have nothing to do with each other is just dense.

Again, there is no reason why you should be quick-voting in a 3 player game.

Your alignment in the BOONus round doesn’t correlate with your alignment in the game. That part is true. If it were, this game would be scumsided af.

No but the interactions between people do have a slight correlation to their alignment in the main game

[mcqueen]

Aren't we not supposed to be outting winners though?

I think it's a good idea to know how the day reps are chosen.

I think it's a massive wifom and not worth any more posts.

It could block scum from using their nominations so I don't see a problem with it.

The most you gain from knowing the winners is the possible modifier they gain.

I think it would help to know BOONus round winners so we can at least attempt to figure out the day rep theory. We need a bigger sample size. I still haven't been involved in a BOONus round too, so it helps me know what's going on. But I won't press much if people don't feel like sharing.

I thought 3/4 day reps were BOONus winners?

1/3 are right now. Not sure if Nero won last night.

Did you enjoy my gift?

*sigh*

TLK, DID YOU ENJOY PENGUIN’S GIFT?

YW.

What is the YW in reference to?

You’re Welcome

Not what it means, what it’s in reference to. Are you crumbing?

[mcqueen]

Tbh Thanos seemed very desperate to win the round. Wonder why that was.

I toyed with the idea, and posted in our BOONus room, that anyone who lies in a BOONus round has some sort of agenda. This isn't entirely true, because if two people claim blue, and the other lies, well their reason for doing so is they just didn't want to lose, especially if one or both of the persons who claimed is a scumread of theirs.

Well of course they do, isn’t that the point of it?

*still confused*

Yeah but my thought process was if two mutually townread players were in the boonus rounds but had different colors there, they should still be honest and compromise (in reality, not in the round) to decide who gets it. Not to lie to each other

Ah I get it now.

You really don’t understand how the BOONus round works at all. Two players who roll opposite alignments cannot compromise. Two players can only do that, if they both roll the SAME alignment. When you actually get to play, you’ll understand that.

Nancyyyyy I’ve already playeddd. I mean they should make a compromise to tell the truth NOT the mechanic compromise. And decide from there who should win/lose the game to best benefit the town.

I know that’s not reality btw, but in a perfect world...

[mcqueen]

Aren't we not supposed to be outting winners though?

I think it's a good idea to know how the day reps are chosen.

I think it's a massive wifom and not worth any more posts.

It could block scum from using their nominations so I don't see a problem with it.

The most you gain from knowing the winners is the possible modifier they gain.

I think it would help to know BOONus round winners so we can at least attempt to figure out the day rep theory. We need a bigger sample size. I still haven't been involved in a BOONus round too, so it helps me know what's going on. But I won't press much if people don't feel like sharing.

I thought 3/4 day reps were BOONus winners?

1/3 are right now. Not sure if Nero won last night.

Did you enjoy my gift?

*sigh*

TLK, DID YOU ENJOY PENGUIN’S GIFT?

YW.

What is the YW in reference to?

You’re Welcome

Not what it means, what it’s in reference to. Are you crumbing?

???

Crumbing what?

Penguin was getting very frustrated with TLK not answering his question, so I though I’d help him out.

Are you crumbing that PP (well, ENG I guess) was the person you gifted the vig shot to N1?

[mcqueen]

Can someone explain to me what the +1 that you get from winning a BOONus round does? I still don't understand. Does it give you an additional ability at Night? So, if you were a Cop in the main game and won a BOONus round, you'd get two inspections the following night?

Are you guys gonna keep scumreading McQueen after this post?

Yeah, I think this locks him in as town, since he hasn’t played in it yet, right?

We aren't on the same page here. He's VT or very committed to hammering the bit home.

Yeah, apparently I’m wasn’t following.

Yeah, he obviously hasn’t won anything.

I should’ve won, but Una ruined it.

[mcqueen]

Why RCE why? Do u not trust me with a prize when u townread me

[mcqueen]

did someone let una win a prize

What on earth is this post supposed to be?
Anyone who ends up reading Boonus Room A at any future point should be able to clearly see that I had no selfish agenda last night.
Also wanna play ball with everyone here - apparently some think it's better to not out who won/didn't win, and why.
Why is that?
If Boonus Room B had scum winning the game, their team already knows they won, and WHAT they won.
So why not give the town the same information?
Gives the scum less room later...or am I missing something?

WHY ARE WE THEORIZING ABOUT WHY/WHO GET TO BE DAY-REPS?
Outside of the obvious "scum can choose one day-rep" there's no incentive to do that.
And after D2, I don't think it's worth it to guess how someone became a rep. or not.
It only meant something last gameday, because I'm still arguing that scum couldn't have known that their ability to choose one of themselves was going to be outed.
At least not as soon as it did get outed.

At least one scum in D2 day-reps. I'm not gonna change my view on that even if Ram flipped town.

Also, I have some interesting news I feel like sharing, which could possibly help us. It's regarding the BOONus game.

I'm at this post for now.
Have to work a little, and will catch up tonight.

Yeah, this is why I informed town on day 2 of all the prizes which could really mess town's power roles up. But gamma was very against this preferring his privacy, think about that. Preferring no one to know you won when prizes like:

-immune to night actions
-immune to tracking

I can check his posts but I’m pretty sure, he was just opposed to outing the winners and what prizes they got?

Because outing winners could out prs. Talking about gifting could out roles as well or at least make PR hunting easier for scum. Tbh now that I've read room C, played in a boonus room game, and from claims etc. I can probably pin down PR/scum slots. Meaning they are either PR or scum as opposed to vanilla.

Yeah, I think it’s probably safe to say that 3/4 day reps have likely won a prize and either gifted it or kept it for themselves.

Again, not true. At most, 2/4 of today’s reps won last night. 1/4 if Nero didn’t

[mcqueen]

Why RCE why? Do u not trust me with a prize when u townread me

Sure. Do I trust Una a bit more? Also sure.

But she lost too.....

[mcqueen]

yes

[mcqueen]

i know the prize i want the most and it’s not a vig shot. Honestly Room A’s prizes sucked last night. The only useful one was a Weak modifier but Elsa wanted to use it on me if he won, so he would have wasted His prize

[mcqueen]

Don’t tell that to Una, she hammered me. Yes I’m throwing Una under the bus. Yes I’m still salty. Wouldn’t have mattered though because none of us voted compromise

[mcqueen]

Nancy come on that was my genius moment....

[mcqueen]

but for real tlk and elsa both need to die. No ones willing to hammer tlk, and no ones shot elsa yet. These are both actual problems.

[mcqueen]

did someone let una win a prize

What on earth is this post supposed to be?
Anyone who ends up reading Boonus Room A at any future point should be able to clearly see that I had no selfish agenda last night.
Also wanna play ball with everyone here - apparently some think it's better to not out who won/didn't win, and why.
Why is that?
If Boonus Room B had scum winning the game, their team already knows they won, and WHAT they won.
So why not give the town the same information?
Gives the scum less room later...or am I missing something?

WHY ARE WE THEORIZING ABOUT WHY/WHO GET TO BE DAY-REPS?
Outside of the obvious "scum can choose one day-rep" there's no incentive to do that.
And after D2, I don't think it's worth it to guess how someone became a rep. or not.
It only meant something last gameday, because I'm still arguing that scum couldn't have known that their ability to choose one of themselves was going to be outed.
At least not as soon as it did get outed.

At least one scum in D2 day-reps. I'm not gonna change my view on that even if Ram flipped town.

Also, I have some interesting news I feel like sharing, which could possibly help us. It's regarding the BOONus game.

I'm at this post for now.
Have to work a little, and will catch up tonight.

Yeah, this is why I informed town on day 2 of all the prizes which could really mess town's power roles up. But gamma was very against this preferring his privacy, think about that. Preferring no one to know you won when prizes like:

-immune to night actions
-immune to tracking

I can check his posts but I’m pretty sure, he was just opposed to outing the winners and what prizes they got?

Because outing winners could out prs. Talking about gifting could out roles as well or at least make PR hunting easier for scum. Tbh now that I've read room C, played in a boonus room game, and from claims etc. I can probably pin down PR/scum slots. Meaning they are either PR or scum as opposed to vanilla.

Yeah, I think it’s probably safe to say that 3/4 day reps have likely won a prize and either gifted it or kept it for themselves.

Again, not true. At most, 2/4 of today’s reps won last night. 1/4 if Nero didn’t

Wasn’t there 3 rounds like on N1? or now only 2?

Still 3. Nev and max lost, CD won in room C. Una lost in Toom A. Dont know about Nero or what went on in Room B

[mcqueen]

Oh....well that's unfortunate. You all lost in room A?

yes

How is that even possible? *confused*

we were all the same color and I was lynched

[mcqueen]

Mind telling us who was in the room? That’s all i want to know

[mcqueen]

Or Elsa just hammers TLK today. Fine with that tbh.

YES PLS

[mcqueen]

I mean it does, but it’s also slightly different

[mcqueen]

okay please let this game reach top 5 longest large games by page count. Iirc that’s 337 pages

[mcqueen]

sure why not

[mcqueen]

look im not gonna lie. i read through DrewVa’s hydra thread from overkill 2 where they were town and their posts here are very similar. DVa played differently in the boonus round, but so what? Let’s be honest we all want to win. And i buy their reason. If they’re not town in this game I’ll kick rocks in the dead thread/ post game

[mcqueen]

But at least profii and TLK havent been part of a round yet, and there’s at least 1 more

[mcqueen]

VOTE: TLK

[mcqueen]

BTW, anyone hear me "Quack" last night?
I specified my night-action to do it so that my neighbours couldn't hear it, but I might have gotten too carried away with it..
I hope I didn't disturb anyones sleep!

Also: voted for TLK in my confessional.

what does this mean

[mcqueen]

are you claiming what i think you’re claiming elsa

[mcqueen]

*una lol

[mcqueen]

what the heck is a ducky. is this some sort of joke

[mcqueen]

I dont know what Ducky means, but that’s not what I had in mind

[mcqueen]

i enjoy those PP

[mcqueen]

Mastina is the other head, why are you still metareading malakitty?

Profii isn't the sticky fruit vendor he claimed inventor that received a sticky fruit. Profii made someone loyal and passed the fruit to them.

Keep in mind the boon bank roles could be scum(?) I haven't read anything that locks them to an alignment.

did u read the boonus room

Max = Malakittens
Nev = Formerfish

Sorry @Nev and Max and sorry at RCE for getting flustered, i had a hard time keeping up with the hydras at the beginning of the game, too, but when there’s only one slot in question it’s not hard...

[mcqueen]

Mastina is the other head, why are you still metareading malakitty?

Now hold on for a sec.
Mastina is in this game?
Malakittens isn't?
Malakittens = formerfish?
Who is Nev? (assuming mastina is Max)
How does any of this help me?

read my above post

[mcqueen]

Is it just me or have I seen both formerfish and malakitty both use max? Nev hasnt posted since day 1 I think.

I guess they're just trying to cause confusion or something.

Can anyone confess to giving TLK a sticky fruit last night? If not he's scum.

it’s just u

[mcqueen]

Mastina is the other head

No it's not.

I can’t believe I’m saying this... but right now I understand you, PP.

[mcqueen]

if im being honest, i have read maybe 2 pages out of 187

You feel like a spectator too, huh?

What he's just scum lurking?

Wow next level scumhunting here guys.

one could say the same to you. Wanna keep prodging or do u actually wanna do ANYTHING?

[mcqueen]

But at least profii and TLK havent been part of a round yet, and there’s at least 1 more

Profil hasn’t? How did he get the sticky fruit then?

? You don’t get sticky fruit from a boonus game...

It’s passed by whoever the vender is (role)

[mcqueen]

@Nev and Max, specifically FF: I don't like Performer coming in here and putting you on blast, either. However, it seems they had a scumread going in to the night on you, and maintained that read, at least on FF's head, throughout the night.

This pings me in all the wrong ways on the dance floor. But that's not surprising.

~ P

How could this possibly ping you? I read your boonus room. Are u telling me this isnt what happened??

[mcqueen]

Oh....well that's unfortunate. You all lost in room A?

yes

I thought the game was rigged so that someone would win no matter what?

No, if you’re all the same color and someone gets lynched, you all lose. Similarly if no compromise/lynch is reached by deadline

[mcqueen]

but for real tlk and elsa both need to die. No ones willing to hammer tlk, and no ones shot elsa yet. These are both actual problems.

I floated to Max a day where TLK is the lynch with Elsa as the hammer.

I am perfectly okay to this, as I’ve already said

[mcqueen]

Vote Count 3.~~
Nev and Max [1]: McQueen
Gamma Emerald [1]: Creature
BrightEyedFish[1]: Profii
Creature[1]: RCEnigma
ElsaJay[2]: RCEnigma, TLK, DrewVa
Not Voting [13]: Kokichi Oma, BrightEyedFish, Something_Smart, Elsa Jay, UnaBombah, Nev and Max, Davesaz, Xtoxm, PenguinPower, Nero Cain, Gamma Emerald, Thanos, Cheeky Dancer

don't even care about RCE being twice, just want to make sure this stays updated

I think I'm going to put ours on Elsa for now

VOTE: Elsa -d

I was (and still am) voting TLK here , I believe. I just never updated the vc

[mcqueen]

I disagree on Elsa Jay.

tbh I have my doubts but I'm struggling to think of who I'd rather see lynched more today

what is the path, Creature? -d

Tlk pls

[mcqueen]

Then's he's lying.

Cool, we lynch TLK today then, there is no redirector/ bus driver in the role list.

VOTE: TLK

ok so RCE and PP are voting TLK rn then? -d

This is where I am rn, still working past 5010

^

[mcqueen]

Vig list: EJ
Kokichi
n&m
GE
xtox?
and others.

???? You townread Xtoxm but have him on a vig list.... and pushed me with him yesterday... makes sense.

[mcqueen]

Why did we end up on TLK?

Something to do with TLK stating he got fruit, profi stating he gave TLK nothing, pp stating he gave TLK something but not fruit. I'm ok with TLK's lynch.
Also, pp & TLK still have each other as scumreads since d2 iirc so there's that.
Something I've been wondering is that what if his super saint part is somehow true? Then dave's idea made sense if he was scum super saint...which isn't the first time I've heard of that role implemented like that. Considering the low level of powers for us that we've seen this far, scum super saint makes some sense.

Vig list: EJ
Kokichi
n&m
GE
xtox?
and others.

For some reason I don't really think we had more than one scum day 1 representative.

I dont know how we can tell if there is at least 1 scum in the d1 rep. It makes some sense in terms of having at least 1 scum in the 4 but I'd rather focus on other things to scumhunt off of. I havent heard of a reliable enough method to determine that there is at least 1 scum in the day reps.

The claims so far that I can tell:
inventor, vt (and flipped vts), duck, (basically) vigilante, super saint


~ P

Usually dont get stuck up on things like this, but who is us? How would scum super saint make sense if town had few powers? Are you scum?

[mcqueen]

Yeah GE can be scum too. In over 2 irl weeks of reviewing the ISO on pg2 , the only stance he stated is that creat is scum . Then proceeded to vote creat.

Also, hello koki.
VOTE: Kokichi

~ P

What is this vote

[mcqueen]

The claims so far that I can tell:
inventor, vt (and flipped vts), duck, (basically) vigilante, super saint

Mind telling who claimed what?

profii - inventor
mcqueen(me) - vt
Una - duck
Elsa - miller (NOT VIG, READ THE THREAD)
TLK - super saint

[mcqueen]

The claims so far that I can tell:
inventor, vt (and flipped vts), duck, (basically) vigilante, super saint

Mind telling who claimed what?

professor, mcdonald's, airplane bomber, elsa from frozen, and TLK.

~ P

“Mcdonalds”

[mcqueen]

I disagree on Elsa Jay.

Disagree on what, that they need to be lynched at some point (or eat a bullet from a sympathetic gun)?

I think Elsa should only be killed by scum's hands.

Stop

[mcqueen]

I think I should get back to IC'ing.

Good times , good times. First time I ever IC'd, I was scum too. It turned out horrifically though...long story haha.
I enjoyed the experience and enjoyed getting others into the game. But it took a ton of effort and time , and I had other upcoming priorities ... which Krazy knows a bit of. This game will likely be my very last onsite due to other priorities in life.

~ P

Well now you made me sad and sympathetoc towards you... HE’S TOWN GUYS *cries*

[mcqueen]

Seems so, not seeing anything that would redirect a role or switch slots. I doubt Joat would have anything like that and there can only be 1 sticky fruit vendor.

But Penguin claims to have given him something other than sticky fruit, something he (TLK) hasn’t claimed?

I can't claim it because the fruit prevented it from actually being passed to me. I have no idea what PP intended and no idea who gave me the fruit.

Also, if profii gave fruit to someone on N1, then they could have given me that fruit. Not sure if that information was given on D2.

I don't know if I was made loyal, but would I even know if I were given a modifier like that? Or would it just be applied without my knowledge? It seems like it wasn't me anyway, but I'm curious about the mechanics. And if it is me, then I need to know who I'm supposed to pass this fruit on to next.

Lynch him plz

[mcqueen]

Daily reminder Nero and Mcqueen are scum.

~ C

just stop

[mcqueen]

Scum are likely redirecting Profii thinking he is giving out those modifiers...and surprise! TLK recieved a tasty snack instead.

I think we have our first red handed scum. How juicy.

Voting TLK.

~ C

Thx

[mcqueen]

Wow. NOBODY brought it up?

Hell, I was expecting to get shot by the vig. Why did they holster?

Why are people worried about the vig shot when town has numbers? Literally does not matter.

Anyone not on a TLK wagon is suspect just in case we aren't here tomorrow.

(Also: Mcqueen, Nero, BEF with a sprinkling of RCE and Thanos)

~ C

can u seriously get me out of ur sr. I’m locktown

[mcqueen]

@Cd not rce

[mcqueen]

So your vote is already casted or you mean the 2 others voted already?

Nero and RCE have voted already. I will hammer. Maybe. Stay posted.

~ C

scumslip bruh. Rce not a day rep. Agree boon is not doing a great job of keeping track. But you want elsa to be the final vote on town tlk supersaint as scum!you secures a mislynch

[mcqueen]

Activate: DrewVa, Gamma Emerald, McQueen

Inb4 these have actual meaning. Thoughts?

[mcqueen]

Day 2 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Ramcius [9]: BrightEyedFish [12/31, 19:35], Mcqueen [1/1, 07:52], Something_Smart [1/13, 09:50] Elsa Jay [1/13, 17:16], DrewVa [1/13, 22:25], The Last Knight [1/13, 23:02], UnaBombah [1/14, 02:22], Nev and Max [1/14, 12:23], Davesaz [1/14, 16:23] ------ [LYNCH]
Mcqueen [4]: Xtoxm [1/1, 22:26], PenguinPower [1/1, 19:43], Ramcius [1/12, 02:59], Profii [1/14, 12:33]
Creature [3]: RCEnigma [1/11, 23:44], Nero Cain [1/13, 12:15], Gamma Emerald [1/13, 22:39],
Nev and Max [2]: Thanos [1/10, 09:08], Alonzo [1/12, 07:33],
UnaBombah [2]: Cheeky Dancer [1/14, 17:56], Creature [1/14, 17:57]

Not Voting [1]: Kokichi Oma

I could easily scumread every person on the ramcius wagon. Guess we just bob until there's less people. Come at us.

~ C

you voted Una....

[mcqueen]

Was it? Great analysis. Are you clearing every person on the Ramcius wagon?

Nope.
Out of the lynch I'd currently hunch something like:

BrightEyedFish [12/31, 19:35], Mcqueen [1/1, 07:52], Something_Smart [1/13, 09:50] Elsa Jay [1/13, 17:16], DrewVa [1/13, 22:25], The Last Knight [1/13, 23:02], UnaBombah [1/14, 02:22], Nev and Max [1/14, 12:23], Davesaz [1/14, 16:23]

I think I noted TLK as potential scum during my catchup once I had seen the first flips, BUT TOOK A 180 TURN, because I felt so certain about scum!Ramcius+scum!Karmeleon.
Now that I know I was wrong about Ramcius, it's not impossible for scum!Creature to have been on scum!TLK.

Says i should be leading voice for town. Never abandons that read. Comes into boonus round and sides with elsa. Has me at yellow. K

Luv ya Una

[mcqueen]

Was it? Great analysis. Are you clearing every person on the Ramcius wagon?

Nope.
Out of the lynch I'd currently hunch something like:

BrightEyedFish [12/31, 19:35], Mcqueen [1/1, 07:52], Something_Smart [1/13, 09:50] Elsa Jay [1/13, 17:16], DrewVa [1/13, 22:25], The Last Knight [1/13, 23:02], UnaBombah [1/14, 02:22], Nev and Max [1/14, 12:23], Davesaz [1/14, 16:23]

I think I noted TLK as potential scum during my catchup once I had seen the first flips, BUT TOOK A 180 TURN, because I felt so certain about scum!Ramcius+scum!Karmeleon.
Now that I know I was wrong about Ramcius, it's not impossible for scum!Creature to have been on scum!TLK.

I hated mcqueen liking Performer's N&M case. Every time I read that dude pings me. People keep saying I'm wrong though :/

BEF was pushing the Ramcius thing a little too hard. In fact everything is a little too try hard.

SS can be dealt with later - I always find him hard to read.

Elsa can be town I guess. Would be good to flip them to look at who was pushing LHF.

Drewva is just so contrary to my mindset it's worrying.

TLK is caught scum.

Una can be town.
N&M can be town. (Don't tell performer I haven't really told him yet)

Dave fits in the same category as SS.

~ C

YOU ARE WRONG.

[mcqueen]

If tlk flips town im voting CD tomorrow

[mcqueen]

Remember that when he NKs me.

[mcqueen]

stop scumreading me

[mcqueen]

I think I should get back to IC'ing.

Good times , good times. First time I ever IC'd, I was scum too. It turned out horrifically though...long story haha.
I enjoyed the experience and enjoyed getting others into the game. But it took a ton of effort and time , and I had other upcoming priorities ... which Krazy knows a bit of. This game will likely be my very last onsite due to other priorities in life.

~ P

Well now you made me sad and sympathetoc towards you... HE’S TOWN GUYS *cries*

You can omgus shade me - but leave performer alone you mean man.

~ C

Well I am actually sad. This has been a really fun game so far and you know coming off a ban I felt like I’d be judged or whatever but no one seemed to notice or care... which is awesome because I just get to play. And as I realize my time here is (re)-beginning, Performer’s is coming to a close... and those are the thoughts I like to have on late night drives man. It’s a world full of passing and certain moments, even ones with some stranger on the internet, really touch you. It’s sad to see him go.

[mcqueen]

can u seriously get me out of ur sr. I’m locktown

How are you lock town my Scummy queen?

~ C

twas a joke never been locktown in my life

[mcqueen]

So your vote is already casted or you mean the 2 others voted already?

Nero and RCE have voted already. I will hammer. Maybe. Stay posted.

~ C

scumslip bruh. Rce not a day rep. Agree boon is not doing a great job of keeping track. But you want elsa to be the final vote on town tlk supersaint as scum!you secures a mislynch

How the fuck is that a scumslip? Dude get vigged already.

~ C

What do u mean how? It clearly shows ur agenda.

[mcqueen]

If tlk flips town im voting CD tomorrow

If you believe in your scumslip you should be voting us today.

~ C

i thought about it. but do i trust myself in sorting out slips? nah. so i’d rather use tlk’s alignment as an association for you tomorrow, because i want super saint and hopefully miller gone anyway.

[mcqueen]

So your vote is already casted or you mean the 2 others voted already?

Nero and RCE have voted already. I will hammer. Maybe. Stay posted.

~ C

scumslip bruh. Rce not a day rep. Agree boon is not doing a great job of keeping track. But you want elsa to be the final vote on town tlk supersaint as scum!you secures a mislynch

How the fuck is that a scumslip? Dude get vigged already.

~ C

What do u mean how? It clearly shows ur agenda.

My agenda to give this silly town a timestamp from which to check all the scum rushing onto TLK? Try again my bro.

Also this plan was agreed to on like D2. Try again?

Look , the logic holds, but when i read the interaction it seems as if u are eagerly waiting for elsa to vote tlk so u know exactly when to “hammer” the end the day. Dumb scum at that since rce isnt a day rep. There is not necessarily a rush as long as Elsa commits to voting at like 8:59 pm pst on deadline day for tlk (usually ends at 9pm pst, not sure if its the same today)

[mcqueen]

@Xtoxm

town. i corrected myself yesterday and rce said u were very town in the boonus game and i have a strong townread on rce. were you the one who lost that room?

[mcqueen]

If tlk flips town im voting CD tomorrow

If you believe in your scumslip you should be voting us today.

~ C

i thought about it. but do i trust myself in sorting out slips? nah. so i’d rather use tlk’s alignment as an association for you tomorrow, because i want super saint and hopefully miller gone anyway.

So you don't agree with any of my reads but you're going to BoP me? Well I know who's going to look worse on a TLK flip.

Pedit - hence the (maybe) inserted a few times. Lo and behold Nero/RCE are now voting for TLK. Magic.

Yeah maybe. Cause elsa never voted and u werent sure u could be on when he did.

[mcqueen]

i wont comment on who won or lost
could explain what changed the read from scum to town for you and at what point specifically you had this epiphany?

in all truth i got flustered when u sr me cause i knew my d1 vote was bad. u werent always some huge tr, still arent, but u never did much scummy. If u really want me to dig thru both our isos for more then go ahead and ask.

[mcqueen]

Yeah maybe. Cause elsa never voted and u werent sure u could be on when he did.

I gave an ultimatum people believed. I may end the day if someone else wants to but for now watching the reactions is fine. Anyway good chat. A bit of omgus always helps me to dig my heels in a bit further.

~ C

Exactly. Scum needs to do things the town believes in.

[mcqueen]

Also “good chat”. Im making valid points but you want to disengage? Did I hear someone say scummy?

And you’ll play it off that I’m omgus you when I’m not. It’s beyond that point because if u really still think i’m scum when almost no one else does (maybe pp and nero), then i doubt you’ll ever read me correctly. so for you to just throw “hes omgusing” out there makes it worse for you.

[mcqueen]

If tlk flips town im voting CD tomorrow

Remember that when he NKs me.

These are the kinda posts that are gonna get you lynched because it looks so....lamist I guess.

You're a claimed VT and very much lynchable...why would cheeky NK you?

I’m lynchable from whom? CD, PP, and maybe Nero?

[mcqueen]

It must really get to you that our slot is so hard to take down.

~ C

that is correct

[mcqueen]

i wont comment on who won or lost
could explain what changed the read from scum to town for you and at what point specifically you had this epiphany?

in all truth i got flustered when u sr me cause i knew my d1 vote was bad. u werent always some huge tr, still arent, but u never did much scummy. If u really want me to dig thru both our isos for more then go ahead and ask.

if im to reconsider you i need to be convinced you havent faked a read on me which is what it looked like
you look a bit more excited today at the caught scum situation that id expect from scum

care to explain how im excited about caught scum?

[mcqueen]

if i were scum, i’d just shut up and let tlk get lynched peacefully. Ive made it very clear that i want the ss gone, Nero agreed with me. Take from that what u will, but why would i be voting my partner THEN try to derail it to CD? especially when CD is likely not a realistic lynch candidate today. U really think i could pull something like that off? Me?

[mcqueen]

i wont comment on who won or lost
could explain what changed the read from scum to town for you and at what point specifically you had this epiphany?

in all truth i got flustered when u sr me cause i knew my d1 vote was bad. u werent always some huge tr, still arent, but u never did much scummy. If u really want me to dig thru both our isos for more then go ahead and ask.

if im to reconsider you i need to be convinced you havent faked a read on me which is what it looked like
you look a bit more excited today at the caught scum situation that id expect from scum

care to explain how im excited about caught scum?

youre hyperactive and engaged when the current gamestate is terrible for scum

how does that make me scum though?

[mcqueen]

i...youve missed my tone. that wasnt a shade
im making time for someone who calls me town

thanks, but what exactly do you want from me then? I just explained my read on you and come clean about my poor play. You’re posts seem town, although there are times where I’d prefer slightly more active engagement rather than reactive engagement. You’re doing that with me, but I’m not understand where you hope to go with it.

If you want to be convinced I’m town, just be convinced. Want examples of me being a bad player and getting mislynched for it? Go read my games from 2012. They’re embarassing.

[mcqueen]

if i were scum, i’d just shut up and let tlk get lynched peacefully. Ive made it very clear that i want the ss gone, Nero agreed with me. Take from that what u will, but why would i be voting my partner THEN try to derail it to CD? especially when CD is likely not a realistic lynch candidate today. U really think i could pull something like that off? Me?

You're not trying to derail it. You're trying to set me up for tomorrow.

Good because you need to die anyway. Your reads have been terrible.

Let’s just not talk about how you had your vote on Xtoxm on D1 too, then decided he’s town and switched to EFN near deadline.

[mcqueen]

Says i should be leading voice for town. Never abandons that read. Comes into boonus round and sides with elsa. Has me at yellow. K

Luv ya Una

To be fair, you are referring to my first ever comment on you.
After reading the first two posts from you.. (or something to that extent)
I then remember agreeing with you at least once or twice more, on GAME MECHANICS/GAMEPLAN FOR TOWN.
Neither of which are necessarily AI after reads, wagons and flips come into play.

After the above I said such things as:

Nero, Xtoxmaxmux AND mcqueen.
I'm thinking at least one too many.

..when DrewVa said all three of you are town.
I said "at least one too many". Instead of saying that I'd agree on you or anyone else specifically.
Meaning I wasn't sure about you either.

I do not understand why you would post your thoughts and reads into your confessional instead of giving town more to analyze and information to work with.

this was in response to you saying that you had kept "diary" in your confessional.
I actually thought it was quite scummy to keep those thoughts to yourself rather than just out them.

Then the only things where I might have come across as "defending" or townreading you, are the ones where pushing you felt sub-optimal to pushing Ramcius/Karmeleon.

And now you clinging onto this whole "leading voice for town" and using that to discredit/shade me.. Not sure why you would be anything other than "yellow" to me for now.

am i being discouraged from having private thoughts? Don’t act like we all post everything we think to the main thread. I have been as transparent as possible, and to be quite honest almost everything in my confesssional has been said here. A few stray thoughts didnt make it in. What are u onna scumread me for that?

[mcqueen]

if i were scum, i’d just shut up and let tlk get lynched peacefully. Ive made it very clear that i want the ss gone, Nero agreed with me. Take from that what u will, but why would i be voting my partner THEN try to derail it to CD? especially when CD is likely not a realistic lynch candidate today. U really think i could pull something like that off? Me?

You're not trying to derail it. You're trying to set me up for tomorrow.

Good because you need to die anyway. Your reads have been terrible.

Let’s just not talk about how you had your vote on Xtoxm on D1 too, then decided he’s town and switched to EFN near deadline.

I'm going to ignore you until you make sense.

Again, disengaging with genuine points. Scum

[mcqueen]

He just wants your thought process.

D1 - town
Late d1 all my scumreads blew up, someonr made it a point of town always utilizing their votes, so i sheep a townread and vote xtoxm. Wasnt a likely candidate for lynch.
D2- got pushed for it, scumread him because he was never open to end the day. I still dont exactly agree with him there, but it should have been null. I panicked. I suck at this game
Later d2- switched back to town because his posts at that time actually still seemed town when i got the butthurt off.
D3- here we are

[mcqueen]

am i being discouraged from having private thoughts? Don’t act like we all post everything we think to the main thread. I have been as transparent as possible, and to be quite honest almost everything in my confesssional has been said here. A few stray thoughts didnt make it in. What are u onna scumread me for that?

YOU WERE ON THE GREENER SIDE OF YELLOW. Townlean/null. Not scumread.
Look at Daves color. Orange, or something like that. Red side of yellow. Scumlean more than townlean. Simple.

If anything, you jumping to these reactions makes me think you are getting redder post by post!

bro chill its 7 am and i havent slept

[mcqueen]

if i were scum, i’d just shut up and let tlk get lynched peacefully. Ive made it very clear that i want the ss gone, Nero agreed with me. Take from that what u will, but why would i be voting my partner THEN try to derail it to CD? especially when CD is likely not a realistic lynch candidate today. U really think i could pull something like that off? Me?

This reads like you know TLK is going to flip SS

Ive said the entire game i think he is. The fruit thing is weird but as mentioned there are possibilities where tlk isnt lying.

[mcqueen]

I have no idea what UnaH is saying :/ I wish I did.

~ C

same

[mcqueen]

Okay I actually am logging off.

[mcqueen]

forgot to mention, thanks for engaging with me mcq
i know its not fun being tunneled

<3

[mcqueen]

Activate: [DrewVa]

Activate: [Gamma Emerald]

Activate: [McQueen]

Tell me what this means

[mcqueen]

If tlk flips town im voting CD tomorrow

Remember that when he NKs me.

These are the kinda posts that are gonna get you lynched because it looks so....lamist I guess.

You're a claimed VT and very much lynchable...why would cheeky NK you?

I've been getting the same feelings about MCs posting the last few pages. They feel very... manufactured? Like the multiple posts he had about being flustered when pressured, and then talking about his ban. People get banned here all the time. I check out the ban list now and then, hell I've been warned a few times for channeling my inner Kuribo in games.

There's also something like a false bravado in his most recent posts where he is lashing out at CD. I don't know if this is scumMc puffing up his chest to a townCD threat, scum theater, or townMc staying up to scumCD...

how do i have false bravado ? i posted the same way as i have all game, calling people out for their crap. I just took it farther this time because i genuine feel like that sequence of cd waiting to hammer came from scum

[mcqueen]

Day 2 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Ramcius [9]: BrightEyedFish [12/31, 19:35], Mcqueen [1/1, 07:52], Something_Smart [1/13, 09:50] Elsa Jay [1/13, 17:16], DrewVa [1/13, 22:25], The Last Knight [1/13, 23:02], UnaBombah [1/14, 02:22], Nev and Max [1/14, 12:23], Davesaz [1/14, 16:23] ------ [LYNCH]
Mcqueen [4]: Xtoxm [1/1, 22:26], PenguinPower [1/1, 19:43], Ramcius [1/12, 02:59], Profii [1/14, 12:33]
Creature [3]: RCEnigma [1/11, 23:44], Nero Cain [1/13, 12:15], Gamma Emerald [1/13, 22:39],
Nev and Max [2]: Thanos [1/10, 09:08], Alonzo [1/12, 07:33],
UnaBombah [2]: Cheeky Dancer [1/14, 17:56], Creature [1/14, 17:57]


Not Voting [1]: Kokichi Oma

I could easily scumread every person on the ramcius wagon. Guess we just bob until there's less people. Come at us.

~ C

Scum is more likely to be early than late, so that looks good for N & M and Daveaz, I think. If McQueen is mechanically clear and I think he is, I think scum is most likely to be in SS, Elsa and TLK. Probably not all 5 on the same wagon.

However if Elsa is town, he should be willing to hammer TLK and his claim really doesn’t make sense as scum, unless he doesn’t back it up,

So, I think SS, if you’re basing it on Ram wagon.

You mean 4?

[mcqueen]

So your vote is already casted or you mean the 2 others voted already?

Nero and RCE have voted already. I will hammer. Maybe. Stay posted.

~ C

scumslip bruh. Rce not a day rep. Agree boon is not doing a great job of keeping track. But you want elsa to be the final vote on town tlk supersaint as scum!you secures a mislynch

If CD hammers ETD before Elsa hammers TLK, I’m retracting my townread on them.

Because there is 0 reason to ETD with Nero being the last vote on TLK. It’s patently ridiculous to think Nero is ever scum here.

No, I will admit I have only read the interaction once, so i need to again. But fmpov, it felt like cd was wagerly waiting for elsa to hammer, with the incorrect knowledge that the day would end (only 1/4 votes prior, rce is not a day rep). Cd is using that to hide behind town, come on if they tried to hammer when Nero was the final vote, they’re for sure dead. But it felt like they had an agenda to meet with the eod vote. And thats scummy. Because like i said, as long as elsa commits to voting a few minutes before deadline, very little reason to end the day early imo

[mcqueen]

So your vote is already casted or you mean the 2 others voted already?

Nero and RCE have voted already. I will hammer. Maybe. Stay posted.

~ C

scumslip bruh. Rce not a day rep. Agree boon is not doing a great job of keeping track. But you want elsa to be the final vote on town tlk supersaint as scum!you secures a mislynch

How the fuck is that a scumslip? Dude get vigged already.

~ C

I think McQueen is a terrible choice for vigshot.

at least someone thinks so

[mcqueen]

am i being discouraged from having private thoughts? Don’t act like we all post everything we think to the main thread. I have been as transparent as possible, and to be quite honest almost everything in my confesssional has been said here. A few stray thoughts didnt make it in. What are u onna scumread me for that?

YOU WERE ON THE GREENER SIDE OF YELLOW. Townlean/null. Not scumread.
Look at Daves color. Orange, or something like that. Red side of yellow. Scumlean more than townlean. Simple.

If anything, you jumping to these reactions makes me think you are getting redder post by post!

bro chill its 7 am and i havent slept

Not a fan of this post. Mc calls In out for the VCA. Una explains the VCA. Mc tells Una to relax? This is starting to look more and more like scum flailing all over the place to me.

It was a lighthearted interaction between me and Una. I said chill because if it got more serious no way did i have the energy to engage that without sleep

[mcqueen]

can someone tell me what a variant role is

[mcqueen]

Activate: DrewVa, Gamma Emerald, McQueen

Inb4 these have actual meaning. Thoughts?

I'm sure they do unless its a fake pr that's trying to draw the NK but why rolefish?

Pedit - hence the (maybe) inserted a few times. Lo and behold Nero/RCE are now voting for TLK. Magic.

you're talking as if you know he's flipping town. I mean, if you've actually been reading my posts instead of calling me scum out of spite you'd notice that I've always been ok with TLK using his ability on a lurker/someone scummy. And now he's gotten fruit that wasn't sent to him. What do you think happened?

Okay so what is being activated?

[mcqueen]

idk man maybe we’re given some cool power and if we don’t know what it is then how can we use it??

[mcqueen]

It was half of a joke, but obviously it does something, so why aren’t you curious what it is?

[mcqueen]

so Activate is listed as a role modifier. but it’s weird because either it’s not x-shot, or DrewVa has a ton of charges. they’ve actuvated 3 players per game day, every game day so far

[mcqueen]

i’m just curious?

[mcqueen]

Curiosity killed the animated Pixar car

Pls no

[mcqueen]

what? Idk what Nancy’s on about. TW said 5 on D1. We lynched a scum d1. There should be 4 left

[mcqueen]

can someone tell me what a variant role is

[mcqueen]

Activate: [DrewVa]

Activate: [Gamma Emerald]

Activate: [McQueen]

What is meant by this? Especially since this isn't the first time and you're activating yourself, this is extremely confusing for me.

Why is this important to anyone?

i’m trying to do setup spec to figure out the tlk situation. My gut really says he’s town and it’s bothering me

[mcqueen]

can someone tell me what a variant role is

its a VARIATION upon a common role.

what does that mean man? Like a modifier is applied? I need an example to help me understand

[mcqueen]

i’m just wondering what it is

[mcqueen]

i’m trying to understand if some form of redirector could be a variant role

[mcqueen]

Since Profii had the fruit he couldn't be targeted by actions right? Or could he be affected by actions since he was giving it away?

pretty sure it says the night you have the fruit actions dont work. if he’s passing it that doesnt count as the night of having it imo. Could be wrong

[mcqueen]

It only aeciticizes the one receiving the fruit, not the giver. And only on the night it was received.

[mcqueen]

So drew, dave, creature, gamme and nero all won.

Thanos pointed out when they outed the prizes how scum sided they were. I think that we need to take a look at these, especially if we can coordinate between those and the ones town got last night to help push us forward.

? so winners are auto scum because prizes are scumsided. That’s not how that works

[mcqueen]

TLK Profii and McQueen I think

I’VE PLAYED OH MY GOSH

[mcqueen]

So drew, dave, creature, gamme and nero all won.

Thanos pointed out when they outed the prizes how scum sided they were. I think that we need to take a look at these, especially if we can coordinate between those and the ones town got last night to help push us forward.

? so winners are auto scum because prizes are scumsided. That’s not how that works

i think i misunderstood you after rereading... please let me know what u meant. Are we looking at the winners pool or the prize pool?

[mcqueen]

TLK Profii and McQueen I think

McQueen played yesterday, so it’s just Profil and TLK.

there’s a third person since Nero played twice. I did the math it’s somwhere in my ISO. Idk who it is tho

[mcqueen]

theres a universe where nero is scum and used a scum power to jump the queue
and theres a universe where he is ramcius 2.0

[mcqueen]

So drew, dave, creature, gamme and nero all won.

Thanos pointed out when they outed the prizes how scum sided they were. I think that we need to take a look at these, especially if we can coordinate between those and the ones town got last night to help push us forward.

I don’t think there’s any correlation between who won and alignment. I think it kind of odd that scum!TLK would never have got to play once. Because I think the choosing of the players is probably not random.

Never said there was. I was pointing out who had prizes and now we can look at other things regarding them as well...

ok @myself above (on mobile hard to quote myltiple on different pages)... nevermind @n&m

[mcqueen]

We should lynch TLK today.

I will answer these questions tomorrow.

The entire reason we’re even considering TLK as a lynch - besides/before the fruit fiasco - is because he was deemed a scummy slot. If he’s town, and truly is SS, he is a literal 1-for-1 deal with scum, and is best to keep him alive. I’m moving away from him and trusting my gut. TLK is town.

Therefore, this post and Penguin blatantly asking TLK if he received his gift when no one else has done that seems like a way for scum!PP to bait TLK. PP could be a scum sticky fruit vendor (there was one of these in another booneytoonz game), knew TLK had a potential second fruit, and got him to out that he had a fruit by asking him if he received PP’s gift. Of course PP said he didn’t send him a fruit. He’s scum.

VOTE: PenguinPower

“I’ll answer tomorrow” ... the issue has been brought up today. I think you know your time is limited but wanted your biggest threat out of the game with time to figure out how to evade death.

[mcqueen]

y is BEF scummy?

Kokichi Oma
Mcqueen
UnaBombah
Creature

thoughts on those slots knight?

haha

[mcqueen]

We should lynch TLK today.

I will answer these questions tomorrow.

The entire reason we’re even considering TLK as a lynch - besides/before the fruit fiasco - is because he was deemed a scummy slot. If he’s town, and truly is SS, he is a literal 1-for-1 deal with scum, and is best to keep him alive. I’m moving away from him and trusting my gut. TLK is town.

Therefore, this post and Penguin blatantly asking TLK if he received his gift when no one else has done that seems like a way for scum!PP to bait TLK. PP could be a scum sticky fruit vendor (there was one of these in another booneytoonz game), knew TLK had a potential second fruit, and got him to out that he had a fruit by asking him if he received PP’s gift. Of course PP said he didn’t send him a fruit. He’s scum.

VOTE: PenguinPower

“I’ll answer tomorrow” ... the issue has been brought up today. I think you know your time is limited but wanted your biggest threat out of the game with time to figure out how to evade death.

Why would a scum!Sticky fruit vendor send his fruit to town!TLK and not a scum buddy?

Taking out an SS would be a huge priority for scum.

Also it makes sense if Elsa is a traitor offering to hammer TLK. Getting his faction closer to wincon, taking out their biggest known threat, and basically suffering them minimal losses.

[mcqueen]

I thought the scenario we were discussing is that scum redirected profii's fruit. There's a second fruit vendor?

after reading profii’s recent posts it seems more likely there be 2 fruits (so a lone 2-shot scum SFV).

[mcqueen]

i think so

[mcqueen]

No i’m pretty sure u win a +1 along with a prize elsa. What ur describing was a potential prize

[mcqueen]

y is BEF scummy?

Kokichi Oma
Mcqueen
UnaBombah
Creature

thoughts on those slots knight?

-Lurker
-Desperately trying to prove how town he is and probably is.
-Was reading scum as theta, town as una until recent posts, but still a town lean.
-I didn't mind Karmeleon and I liked the Creature entrance. I can understand the appeal of having no one meta read you. Town.

yes I’m so desperate right now

[mcqueen]

I thought the scenario we were discussing is that scum redirected profii's fruit. There's a second fruit vendor?

after reading profii’s recent posts it seems more likely there be 2 fruits (so a lone 2-shot scum SFV).

I don't think there would be 2 sticky fruit vendors as they are boon bank roles.

I think the natural thought process is

1. I am messing with you about my loyal/fruit plan and I'm actually just scum - I just got lucky by using the fruit to block PP. We don't want the loyal person to claim so it's better I flip tbh.

Or

2. scum have a way of messing with the fruit somehow (I can't explain)



Unless 1 boon bank role doesn't mean 1, it means 1 type of these roles can be on multiple slots in this game, but I am not sure how well that fits boons ethos of keeping things relatively normal. My opinion - 1 sticky fruit.

Also - the person I actually gave the loyal modifier to did breadcrumb something (I believe) and they haven't indicated they have a sticky fruit which goes someway to poo poo the idea that 2 sticky fruit exist - I'll caveat with the breadcrumb was very loose so I could be looking for something that isn't there... I'm optimistic.


So we knew I had a sticky fruit and we know that scum managed to make it go somewhere else - that suggests they did something to me rather than TLK, as TLK has claimed a role that doesn't do anything at night. That's a concern as it's a nifty power role in scums hands I guess.


I also believe the reason TLK is involved is because of his SS claim - scum want the 'double kill' so they have framed him - So if we do lynch TLK then it'll be interesting to see what happens to the hammer in this hidden voting thing but whatever probably better to just let that go for now.


Anyway, then we have PP, he 'coincidently' gifted something to the person involved in what appears to be scum framing. So let's play out PP drawing out a TLK mis claim on purpose - this means TLK is town. So we flip him, this then means we go nuts at PP which if he is scum means they've just traded off 2(if you consider SS kill) for 1. So that means scum have lost 1 of their 5 and they are happy to lose another for 2 town.

that puts the game at 3v13 tomorrow - I think that is ambitious or scum know the game is very scum sided...

So the other way of looking at it - the coincidence is just a coincidence, scum didn't intend for this plan to come out in this way. That means, the sticky fruit went to TLK and 1 of 2 things happen:

TLK expects the sticky fruit to have been sent to the loyal person, but it went to him - so he should come out and say profii wtf have you done here I'm not loyal, that means I get lynched - you all see my loyal/town plan thing was legit and TLK has been framed, that means the TLK lynch and SS kill is off the table which is bad for scum but maybe they are hoping I say something like "you need to know that so and so was the loyal dude" so they can kill him.

or if TLK said nothing, which I wouldn't expect, then tomorrow a random person goes "I got a fruit, I've just been IC'd, here profii, do it again" at which point there _should_ be someone loyal who says "well it didn't come from me so it's false" and that person should have been advocating for my lynch today, at least pre PP asking about the gift.


None of these plans make me think "yes that's the one here" so there is a PR at play which I can't put my finger on tbh. I don't know but I don't want to lynch TLK and probably not PP today. I'd put myself before either of them - you get 2 people with massive town equity, save the identify of the loyal dude for the loss of me when you flip me and find out Me/TLK was legit messed with by scum - that's arguably a policy lynch but worth thinking about - however, given one of the plans was that the counter claim ends in a me lynch, I'm not sure if I'm falling for some kind of trap here.

Im halfway down ur post and No, just no. I never said 2 SFV. I said there is a single scum-aligned SFV. By nature, SFV is basically 1-shot. So, if they ever wom a boonus round OR were gifted a prize by someone else, they could potentially have that charge restored and we could have 2 fruits going around.

I’m not lynching a guy off a tin foil fruit theory after we mislynched Ram on similar premise.

[mcqueen]

The entire reason we’re even considering TLK as a lynch - besides/before the fruit fiasco - is because he was deemed a scummy slot. If he’s town, and truly is SS, he is a literal 1-for-1 deal with scum, and is best to keep him alive. I’m moving away from him and trusting my gut. TLK is town.

Therefore, this post and Penguin blatantly asking TLK if he received his gift when no one else has done that seems like a way for scum!PP to bait TLK. PP could be a scum sticky fruit vendor (there was one of these in another booneytoonz game), knew TLK had a potential second fruit, and got him to out that he had a fruit by asking him if he received PP’s gift. Of course PP said he didn’t send him a fruit. He’s scum.

VOTE: PenguinPower

“I’ll answer tomorrow” ... the issue has been brought up today. I think you know your time is limited but wanted your biggest threat out of the game with time to figure out how to evade death.

Stop being an idiot.

You’ve got to be one if you think that will make me back off of you.

Come on now

[mcqueen]

alright chill that kind of makes more sense but I kinda expect a +X charge on a STV to fail, given the nature of the pass it around element to it.

also - no CC or 2nd fruit claim has emerged so...

finally - I'm not really advocating a lynch so idk if you think I am - I just don't want TLK or PP today...

assuming 2 fruits ARE going around, the 2nd one would probably be with your loyal dude, which would make sense for them not to claim

[mcqueen]

Fine...keep being antitown by trying to get me to explain further today.

how is it antitown from my view? maybe from yours, but I don’t sit where you do.

[mcqueen]

why does scum automatically have one? I agree it’s likely they’d keep it, but not knowing if they won modifiers and what other abilities they have, means it’s possible they felt comfortable goving it away. Especially so profii couldnt be cop checked N1

[mcqueen]

Fine...keep being antitown by trying to get me to explain further today.

how is it antitown from my view? maybe from yours, but I don’t sit where you do.

You should probably read more carefully...

i’ll go back through your iso later, but keep in mind telling me to do this most definitely does not mean i’ll catch anything.

[mcqueen]

If there are 2 fruit going around then scum has one and PP outed it by questioning TLK. Which doesn't make sense from Scum!PP.

I still think on the balance of probability there's a frame job @ TLK due to his SS claim, the events unfolding makes PP probable town too - with the scum lynch day 1, I don't think they trade 2 for 1 and PP was just mixed up in this by chance - if anything other scum dudes which may have night actions are probably gather info elsewhere for their next move so I don't think 1 of the scum act upon the apparent nominated mislynch of the day.

that's where I'm sitting so I'll need convincing on either of those 2 - Until there is 2 fruit claims in 1 day, I'm going to work on the assumption of 1.

we’re probably not lynching you today. so who gets lynched then, in your eyes?

[mcqueen]

then why are you calling me desperate? yeah I’ve jumped around a bit today, but I’m eager to catch scum and fogure this game out. I’m literally one of the people calling you town at the moment, and potentially advocating for you to stay alive longer than just tomorrow.

i know i’m on PP atm, but right now Elsa seems to be the best lynch.

[mcqueen]

Today’s TLK wagon is a good place to start I think

why not Elsa?

[mcqueen]

I meant TLK town and Elsa scum ha oops

Elsa is either a Traitor willing to sacrifice himself for his team, or he never intended to hammer in the first place (he could still be a Traitor).

I decided to believe Elsa's Miller claim, but if we can't decide upon anyone else, Miller needs to go, regardless. At the moment, that's the case. This is open to change, however.

[mcqueen]

then why are you calling me desperate? yeah I’ve jumped around a bit today, but I’m eager to catch scum and fogure this game out. I’m literally one of the people calling you town at the moment, and potentially advocating for you to stay alive longer than just tomorrow.

i know i’m on PP atm, but right now Elsa seems to be the best lynch.

I mean, you sound desperate right now. It's not a critique - in fact, it makes you look town. I'm just making an observation.

I agree with both of those reads. I already have Elsa voted in my confessional from earlier.

I have not voted Elsa, yet. I know a few have already expressed their interest in potentially lynching him today, and DrewVa has already placed their vote on him, but I was waiting to see if anyone else had thoughts to offer before I do so. I'm not sold on PP being town, but I do still have to look through his ISO.

[mcqueen]

How is SS not a huge threat if it’s 4v15? Or 5v14 if a potential Traitor is included (could still be 4v15, I guess)? It’s literally a 1-for-1 trade off if scum are forced to kill the SS.

[mcqueen]

How is SS not a huge threat if it’s 4v15? Or 5v14 if a potential Traitor is included (could still be 4v15, I guess)? It’s literally a 1-for-1 trade off if scum are forced to kill the SS.

How do I disprove something that doesn't exist. Why don't you tell us why you think a claimed Super Saint is a huge threat.

It’s a 1-for-1 trade off if we refuse to lynch him and force scum to kill him. It’s a threat to scum, not town.

[mcqueen]

How is SS not a huge threat if it’s 4v15? Or 5v14 if a potential Traitor is included (could still be 4v15, I guess)? It’s literally a 1-for-1 trade off if scum are forced to kill the SS.

y do the numbers even matter? SS is a non-action. I think scum would be far more threatened by active night actions, yes? I mean, ok eventually he'll be a threat b/c as the game goes scum being forced to hammer SS goes up but that's down the line.

i mean, that’s the point? if we think he’s town, and we don’t lynch him, eventually scum will be forced to kill him. not seeing why this doesn’t sound advantageous to you. i mean, unless you truly think he’s scum.

[mcqueen]

I think you know your time is limited

Just noticed this catching up today...why is my time limited? I really want your perspective here, because outside TLK at the end of D1 and D2, I haven't really been pushed much.

Please no one else answer. It's important I get mcqueen's perspective.

because if your plan was to frame tlk, it’ll be clear tomorrow that you’re scum.

I think, but I did not check so I could be wrong, someone said you are confirmed town if TLK flipped town. I’m not sure how that’s the case?

[mcqueen]

I think you know your time is limited

Just noticed this catching up today...why is my time limited? I really want your perspective here, because outside TLK at the end of D1 and D2, I haven't really been pushed much.

Please no one else answer. It's important I get mcqueen's perspective.

because if your plan was to frame tlk, it’ll be clear tomorrow that you’re scum.

I think, but I did not check so I could be wrong, someone said you are confirmed town if TLK flipped town. I’m not sure how that’s the case?

note that if we don’t lynch tlk, this becomes pretty much obselete, btw

[mcqueen]

How is SS not a huge threat if it’s 4v15? Or 5v14 if a potential Traitor is included (could still be 4v15, I guess)? It’s literally a 1-for-1 trade off if scum are forced to kill the SS.

y do the numbers even matter? SS is a non-action. I think scum would be far more threatened by active night actions, yes? I mean, ok eventually he'll be a threat b/c as the game goes scum being forced to hammer SS goes up but that's down the line.

maybe, I don't think supersaint will ever be enough of a threat to be killed for his role. scum hammering supersaint is still strictly better for scum than that same scum getting lynched.

then stop voting him and scum won’t have the opportunity to “hammer”

[mcqueen]

How is SS not a huge threat if it’s 4v15? Or 5v14 if a potential Traitor is included (could still be 4v15, I guess)? It’s literally a 1-for-1 trade off if scum are forced to kill the SS.

y do the numbers even matter? SS is a non-action. I think scum would be far more threatened by active night actions, yes? I mean, ok eventually he'll be a threat b/c as the game goes scum being forced to hammer SS goes up but that's down the line.

maybe, I don't think supersaint will ever be enough of a threat to be killed for his role. scum hammering supersaint is still strictly better for scum than that same scum getting lynched.

then stop voting him and scum won’t have the opportunity to “hammer”

This is a PSA btw, I wasn’t necessarily meaning you were voting him

[mcqueen]

How will it be clear tomorrow that I'm scum if TLK ends up town?

clear is the wrong word. but you participating in framing him becomes a huge possibility, unless you can undoubtedly prove that their is either a redirector of some sort or a second sticky fruit going around.

[mcqueen]

How is SS not a huge threat if it’s 4v15? Or 5v14 if a potential Traitor is included (could still be 4v15, I guess)? It’s literally a 1-for-1 trade off if scum are forced to kill the SS.

y do the numbers even matter? SS is a non-action. I think scum would be far more threatened by active night actions, yes? I mean, ok eventually he'll be a threat b/c as the game goes scum being forced to hammer SS goes up but that's down the line.

maybe, I don't think supersaint will ever be enough of a threat to be killed for his role. scum hammering supersaint is still strictly better for scum than that same scum getting lynched.

then stop voting him and scum won’t have the opportunity to “hammer”

This is a PSA btw, I wasn’t necessarily meaning you were voting him

yes?

[mcqueen]

Null side

Davesaz
The Last Knight
RCEnigma
BrightEyedFish
Thanos
UnaBombah
Kokichi Oma
Something_Smart

Scum side

who should be moved up or down?

-d

why is RCE null?

[mcqueen]

@mcqueen So...your answer to my:

I think you know your time is limited

Didn't really make sense, given that it was predicated on me "framing TLK."

You said I knew my time was limited, and so I "framed TLK."

Could you explain why I knew my time was limited prior to "framing TLK?"

i see why you think that, but your order is reversed. you asked TLK about the fruit and when I confronted you ss to what you were on about, you said you’d answer tomorrow. By that point, at least in my mind, you already gave a fruit to TLK, therefore with me pushing you know your time is limited if TLK were to flip town.

of course, without his flip, my case on you is quite irrelevant. and since I’ve moved away from his wagon, I’ve left this theory alone. Methinks you’ll slip in the future, anyway

[mcqueen]

you asked TLK about the fruit should be *gift

[mcqueen]

Course, I didn't just say "tomorrow" to you. I've said that to everyone who has asked...just FYI.

ok, but surely that buys you time to talk with your scummates tonight (if you don’t already have daytalk, that is) to weae your way out of the situation, no?

[mcqueen]

why is RCE null?

keep forgetting why I was townreading him tbh

I think there's probably town somewhere in day 1 but I would have to go back and find it -d

can you do that please? i’m townreading rce and would prefer he not be in a potential lynchpool, despite his unlikelihood of actually getting hung.

[mcqueen]

Course, I didn't just say "tomorrow" to you. I've said that to everyone who has asked...just FYI.

ok, but surely that buys you time to talk with your scummates tonight (if you don’t already have daytalk, that is) to weae your way out of the situation, no?

'cus that's the only reason.

i mean, it’s a possible one, and that’s all i need for a scumread. again, if i were actively pushing you your response would hold much more water, but since i’m not, well, it doesn’t.

[mcqueen]

Aren't you voting me right now?

trueee but like I said I wanted a larger response to my plan of moving it to Elsa. I’ll do that now.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[mcqueen]

Creature when you say you need Elsa alive is that like a "NEED need" or like a "want need"?

-d

The more he wants it the more I want Elsa

Tbh, same

[mcqueen]

just to let everyone know, we are 150 pages from tying the 5th largest large game in mafiascum history (according to post count). i hope to achieve this goal.

[mcqueen]

Course, I didn't just say "tomorrow" to you. I've said that to everyone who has asked...just FYI.

ok, but surely that buys you time to talk with your scummates tonight (if you don’t already have daytalk, that is) to weae your way out of the situation, no?

I said the same thing, you coming after our asses as well?

What? I think it’s the other way around. For some reason, just because you have a problem with my theory of how to proceed in the game - which is prone to be incorrect as either alignment, btw - you’re relentlessly pushing for no reason.

I have admittedly ignored some of your recent posts because I felt like after giving you time to cool off, you would realize how overdramatic you’re being. Again, a lot of the replies would just be me and you arguing about theory. How does this make me scummy? Why do you suddenly have it out for my slot?

[mcqueen]

Activate: [DrewVa]

Activate: [Gamma Emerald]

Activate: [McQueen]

What is meant by this? Especially since this isn't the first time and you're activating yourself, this is extremely confusing for me.

Why is this important to anyone?

Who would be more motivated in you opinion to ask about this? I'm curious as well, but like someone else said "(paraphrasing) it doesn't affect me yet so I don't really care." Sure I'd like to know because no one likes to be on the outside of all the cool stuff, but if it's a town positive thing than it behooves town to be quiet. If it is a scum positive thing then they would already know what was going on and wouldn't say shit. If it isn't some kind of long con Gambit I lean town on Drew and scum on anyone pushing for the info to be outed. Scum would have much more cause to try and figure out what this is and why Drew is doing it.

This is the best push you’ve made on me. I’m curious what it does out of curiousity, not scumminess, and I let that slip. I really don’t have a defense for it.

Other than that, though, you’ve done a bad job. (Assuming you are scumreading me)

[mcqueen]

Course, I didn't just say "tomorrow" to you. I've said that to everyone who has asked...just FYI.

ok, but surely that buys you time to talk with your scummates tonight (if you don’t already have daytalk, that is) to weae your way out of the situation, no?

I said the same thing, you coming after our asses as well?

What? I think it’s the other way around. For some reason, just because you have a problem with my theory of how to proceed in the game - which is prone to be incorrect as either alignment, btw - you’re relentlessly pushing for no reason.

I have admittedly ignored some of your recent posts because I felt like after giving you time to cool off, you would realize how overdramatic you’re being. Again, a lot of the replies would just be me and you arguing about theory. How does this make me scummy? Why do you suddenly have it out for my slot?

Because I think you are engaging in busy work that makes it look like you are town, but I'm just getting the feeling that you aren't and this is all a show. I haven't had a chance to yet, but you said you've been posting the same way the entire game, I was hoping to look back at your iso and see if that's actually true. Hell it might be, but my memory of your play is a little different. The way you are acting now seems more cocky, like you're scum who thinks they got over on someone and they don't know it was you.

i adopted a “cocky” playstyle (see also: me engaging with Elsa D1) to help me be slightly less emotionally invested in the game. In my previous stint on the site, I was very hotheaded.

[mcqueen]

I dont understand the scumreads on dave...mentioned on pg 218 for instance. Also, my read on n&m has changed, I dont think he's scum.

Caught up to pg 225 so far. Unfortunately cheeky's reads on nero/rce are something I read differently...I have nero & rce as town.

Xtox was added to that list since he was mia but then reappeared. Felt like he was lurker scum at the time.

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Why did we end up on TLK?

Something to do with TLK stating he got fruit, profi stating he gave TLK nothing, pp stating he gave TLK something but not fruit. I'm ok with TLK's lynch.
Also, pp & TLK still have each other as scumreads since d2 iirc so there's that.
Something I've been wondering is that what if his super saint part is somehow true? Then dave's idea made sense if he was scum super saint...which isn't the first time I've heard of that role implemented like that. Considering the low level of powers for us that we've seen this far, scum super saint makes some sense.

Vig list: EJ
Kokichi
n&m
GE
xtox?
and others.

For some reason I don't really think we had more than one scum day 1 representative.

I dont know how we can tell if there is at least 1 scum in the d1 rep. It makes some sense in terms of having at least 1 scum in the 4 but I'd rather focus on other things to scumhunt off of. I havent heard of a reliable enough method to determine that there is at least 1 scum in the day reps.

The claims so far that I can tell:
inventor, vt (and flipped vts), duck, (basically) vigilante, super saint


~ P

If you look in the roles list for this game, super saint is town only.

A post like this from tlk makes me hesitant about him being scum. Why on earth would scum tlk bring this up in my mistake. Makes no sense if tlk is scum.

~ P

How does that make no sense if TLK is scum? It’s a simple game-fact, how is that AI?

[mcqueen]

Then atleast let me attenpt to be Noble in killing TLK. I still think it's a prime claim from scum to coast through this adventure.

Who do you sr other than tlk? In other words, who do you think are his teammates then?

We should lynch TLK today.

I will answer these questions tomorrow.

The entire reason we’re even considering TLK as a lynch - besides/before the fruit fiasco - is because he was deemed a scummy slot. If he’s town, and truly is SS, he is a literal 1-for-1 deal with scum, and is best to keep him alive. I’m moving away from him and trusting my gut. TLK is town.

Therefore, this post and Penguin blatantly asking TLK if he received his gift when no one else has done that seems like a way for scum!PP to bait TLK. PP could be a scum sticky fruit vendor (there was one of these in another booneytoonz game), knew TLK had a potential second fruit, and got him to out that he had a fruit by asking him if he received PP’s gift. Of course PP said he didn’t send him a fruit. He’s scum.

VOTE: PenguinPower

“I’ll answer tomorrow” ... the issue has been brought up today. I think you know your time is limited but wanted your biggest threat out of the game with time to figure out how to evade death.

This is basically a scum claim.

~ P

Lol? I have half a mind not to even ask because it’s so off... mind telling me how I scum claimed?

[mcqueen]

The thing is, I would think town should want to help as much as possible and even moreso as the game progresses.

Problem is, sometimes scum does this too. But I'm probably digressing.

~ P

Creature is a player, who is terrible a faking conviction as scum. He almost always sounds awkward and frozen, whenever he attempts this, so Creature with conviction, is almost always town!Creatre, irrespective of reads. He hard townread scum!Thor in YGM and he wrongly scumread Brian/Sakura slot.

I dont follow .

Anyway , why do you tr GE.

~ P

Scum!Gamma either tends to be fake and disconnected, like in CoH or self-centered, over-reactionary and disconnected like in OK 2.

I am far from an expert on Gamma meta. I think his play here - objecting to BEF outing the BOONus round winner for example, read townie to me. She is clearly trying to gamesolve, not just coast.

pretty sure Gamma HAS been coasting, but whatever

[mcqueen]

There simply are certain slots that I excel at reading, Nero, Creature are amongst them and people would be wise to listen to me on that.

In. b4 Creature disputes this with YGM. It took me awhile to discern all of the obvious towntells but I did get there eventually.

Who is YGM?

You’ve Got Mail

i always hoped it stood for YuGio Mafia

[mcqueen]

Lol?

[mcqueen]

Then atleast let me attenpt to be Noble in killing TLK. I still think it's a prime claim from scum to coast through this adventure.

Who do you sr other than tlk? In other words, who do you think are his teammates then?

We should lynch TLK today.

I will answer these questions tomorrow.

The entire reason we’re even considering TLK as a lynch - besides/before the fruit fiasco - is because he was deemed a scummy slot. If he’s town, and truly is SS, he is a literal 1-for-1 deal with scum, and is best to keep him alive. I’m moving away from him and trusting my gut. TLK is town.

Therefore, this post and Penguin blatantly asking TLK if he received his gift when no one else has done that seems like a way for scum!PP to bait TLK. PP could be a scum sticky fruit vendor (there was one of these in another booneytoonz game), knew TLK had a potential second fruit, and got him to out that he had a fruit by asking him if he received PP’s gift. Of course PP said he didn’t send him a fruit. He’s scum.

VOTE: PenguinPower

“I’ll answer tomorrow” ... the issue has been brought up today. I think you know your time is limited but wanted your biggest threat out of the game with time to figure out how to evade death.

This is basically a scum claim.

~ P

Lol? I have half a mind not to even ask because it’s so off... mind telling me how I scum claimed?

If you didnt, and you think the chances of them being able to find something that could even be considered a slip, why ask? Why address this at all.

Your eagerness, and sometimes overaggressive play style right now is coming off fake and made up. It feels like you are scum caught for reasons you don't believe could be real reasons. I have a knack for that.

i addressed it because it’s so out there that i coupdn’t resist. dude’s been pushing me since yesterday and is the only one who hasn’t backed off. you’ve seen how bad their reads are, would you not find it quite annoying?

[mcqueen]

Lol McQueen I think you may be the scummiest person I've ever thought was town and I've played with A50.

welcome to my meta

[mcqueen]

Dilly Dilly.

idk if this is too early or out of place, but please hydra with me after this is over

[mcqueen]

IF you’re up for that

[mcqueen]

[mcqueen]

okay so this is going to sound very hypocritical but since some have started to move off TLK’s wagon:

why are we designating someone to hammer tlk? If they don’t do it and tlk is town, we run the risk of losing a supersaint and losing another townread player. also it just feels weird to put trust in a scumread to hammer somebody, regardless if they offer to or not.

In a sense; why are we settling? I’m not against an S_S lynch, but I’d like Elsa as a PL regardless if he’s scum, so we can clear up the traitor/miller thing

[mcqueen]

*while others remain on him[tlk]

[mcqueen]

because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

[mcqueen]

because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

A sketchy SS claim.

I believe the claim, but to each their own

[mcqueen]

because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

And besides aren't all of your lynch options today based on a "theory" or do you have facts and evidence to base your reads on?

elsa as a PL. you’re right about the rest

[mcqueen]

Also, thinking about numbers at this point shouldn't be our main concern!
We have so many mislynches "available" to us simply because we landed a scum D1.
I'd argue lynching the claimed SS is the correct play here - then just organize the last vote to be either your top scumread (apparently S_S has gained support from many??) or someone you think should be PL'd (like a claimed Miller).

Why are people satisfied with how the fruit-claim -debacle ended?
How did TLK manage to convince you?
I'm still thinking that TLK already dropped the ball with a messy fakeclaim, and to be honest, my only (slight) suspicion towards profii came from the thought that it was supposed to be a coordinated fakeclaim at first.

It wasn't a matter of being satisfied. We won't be because nothing can be proven without a Lynch. But lynching TLK is the play wether he is scum or town so reading him isn't important like at all.

If he's scum cool, if he's town then Profii is more or less town and PP is town. Tlk proves his claim and probable scum bites the bullet or outs themselves by nonvoting.

again, how is pp and profii auto town if tlk is town? both those slots are up for reevaluation if tlk flips town

[mcqueen]

disregard the una quote, im on mobile

[mcqueen]

because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

TLK's alignment doesn't matter. Even if he's town his role is meant to be lynched

no one has adequately answered my question (nev and max got close):

If TLK is townread (assuming), keeping him alive forces scum to die if they want him gone at any point. So he’s basically safe until lylo. why is this a bad thing?

If he’s scumread, then lynch away

[mcqueen]

because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

TLK's alignment doesn't matter. Even if he's town his role is meant to be lynched

Exactly.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt to at least let him nominate the people he wants to hammer. Since he is not answering it makes me feel like his claim is not true.

why are we trusting people to hammer? i’m pretty sure very few actually WANT to die, town or scum, offered or not offered by themselves

[mcqueen]

Bef, who else do u think is scum besides tlk?

[mcqueen]

I've never Hydra'd but sure I'm up for it, remind me after the game.

EnigmaQueen?

Really Cool Queen and the avatar is Freddie Mercury but really close up.

I was thinking RC car, but I am down for anything that includes a close up of Freddie Mercury

[mcqueen]

Lol McQueen I think you may be the scummiest person I've ever thought was town and I've played with A50.

This belongs in a sigline somewhere.

believe me I was thinking about it, but not til the game’s over, obvs

[mcqueen]

Lol McQueen I think you may be the scummiest person I've ever thought was town and I've played with A50.

welcome to my meta

So how can you defend against people saying you're acting scummy when you admit that you purposefully act scummy?

i never said it was purposeful? if you dare to enter into the depths of my 5+ year old meta, this has always been the case. i’ve grown up and gotten better, but it’s still somewhat the case (or apparently a lot of the case in RCE’s eyes)

[mcqueen]

because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

I feel like this is a misuse of the gamblers phallacy. Just because our theory was incorrect yesterday doesn't mean that 1. It was a bad theory, 2. That it was a bad idea to try it, and 3. That all other theories are now going to be incorrect since the first one ended up being wrong.

i thought about this before posting. however, just because what you said is true, doesn’t mean i’m jumping out of my chair to trust the next theory that comes up (fruit)

[mcqueen]

because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

TLK's alignment doesn't matter. Even if he's town his role is meant to be lynched

no one has adequately answered my question (nev and max got close):

If TLK is townread (assuming), keeping him alive forces scum to die if they want him gone at any point. So he’s basically safe until lylo. why is this a bad thing?

If he’s scumread, then lynch away

Why is it a bad thing to bring a claimed SS to lylo? The same reason it's a bad idea to let the claimed traitor... sorry Miller... live to lylo.

And maybe I misunderstood something, but if scum target a SS for the nk does that have any adverse effect on the shooter?

If someone claims Miller but ends up being a strong townread, why is it so bad having them alive?

Then that goes for the SS, too (remember it’s hypothetical since tlk is not widely townread)

I thought the shooter dies, too, but i could be wrong, if i am wrong, disregard my entire argument lol.

[mcqueen]

because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

TLK's alignment doesn't matter. Even if he's town his role is meant to be lynched

no one has adequately answered my question (nev and max got close):

If TLK is townread (assuming), keeping him alive forces scum to die if they want him gone at any point. So he’s basically safe until lylo. why is this a bad thing?

If he’s scumread, then lynch away

Why is it a bad thing to bring a claimed SS to lylo? The same reason it's a bad idea to let the claimed traitor... sorry Miller... live to lylo.

And maybe I misunderstood something, but if scum target a SS for the nk does that have any adverse effect on the shooter?

If someone claims Miller but ends up being a strong townread, why is it so bad having them alive?

Then that goes for the SS, too (remember it’s hypothetical since tlk is not widely townread)

I thought the shooter dies, too, but i could be wrong, if i am wrong, disregard my entire argument lol.

wiki says it’s only for the hammer vote on lynches. Go ahead call me stupid

[mcqueen]

because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

TLK's alignment doesn't matter. Even if he's town his role is meant to be lynched

no one has adequately answered my question (nev and max got close):

If TLK is townread (assuming), keeping him alive forces scum to die if they want him gone at any point. So he’s basically safe until lylo. why is this a bad thing?

If he’s scumread, then lynch away

Why is it a bad thing to bring a claimed SS to lylo? The same reason it's a bad idea to let the claimed traitor... sorry Miller... live to lylo.

And maybe I misunderstood something, but if scum target a SS for the nk does that have any adverse effect on the shooter?

If someone claims Miller but ends up being a strong townread, why is it so bad having them alive?

Then that goes for the SS, too (remember it’s hypothetical since tlk is not widely townread)

I thought the shooter dies, too, but i could be wrong, if i am wrong, disregard my entire argument lol.

Because the roles are created and used to set up misinformation and sow dissent. Miller is someone who doesn't investigate as town. So if a cop looks at them they are going to out themselves and yell scum the best day. They lynch the Miller and he shows up town. Then they lynch the cop or the scum can kill him now.

If we have the ability to sort 2 slots and then get a shit ton of associative reads for tomorrow then I am all for it. Especially when those roles are created for just this type of situation. We can just solve it in a manner where we don't have to out anymore PRs.

Ok i think i’ll move my vote back to tlk

VOTE: tlk

[mcqueen]

A lot of discussion today has been stupid so I want to see if anyone has anything to say before the dayreps vote to end. I'm fine with dayreps ending today and us getting this flip/these flips. Town needs to be aware that just because we have gone to deadline day 1 doesn't mean we're going to sit around twiddling our thumbs until deadline every day and that people need to give content with the time in the days that we have. Momentum is very important in wacky game setups like this.

-d

My well of thoughts has run dry. I'm content with the TLK lynch and my vote shows it. The game day has been a drag for the past few irl days.

Me worries if scum get a foothold in the day reps that later days will last until the full deadline which is bad for activity. (Keep in mind day reps are the only way to end the day before the deadline in this setup.)