BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

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It would be wasted but go for it.

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If you guys are seeing a town creature then you must be considering a scum Unah? I could even see that as SvS tbh.

~ C

No

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yeah S_S is scum
this is one of the most egregious cases of lack of read evolution ive ever seen
and hes seen my scumgame in worst idea, he really has no right calling me scum here
if we're lynching outside of TLK i can purge this

On top of that he comes off with the typical unengaged scumread list with multiple lynchable slots whom have already been pushed and then the one townread slot that they know won't gain traction but might get them towncred for pursuing.

I kind of want to give Creature a townread if S_S flips scum. I think it was Nancy said Creature never buses but NK's normal saw a fair bit of Day 1 scum theater and I wouldn't totally clear him off of it. It would look better though.

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I mean it should be on TLK but I digress.

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Well there you go.

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Can we do something special for Drewva's 1k post??

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Nev and Max, Elsa, Something Smart. My Lynch pool for today. I still want Creature dead but I'd rather Lynch on wagon.

Still relevant.

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Lol McQueen I think you may be the scummiest person I've ever thought was town and I've played with A50.

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Dilly Dilly.

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I think my biggest problem with this game is not having too many scumreads per se, but more like having next to 0 reliable townreads.

I'll be your John C Reilly if you'll be my Will Ferrell.

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I've never Hydra'd but sure I'm up for it, remind me after the game.

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Why are people satisfied with how the fruit-claim -debacle ended?
How did TLK manage to convince you?
I'm still thinking that TLK already dropped the ball with a messy fakeclaim, and to be honest, my only (slight) suspicion towards profii came from the thought that it was supposed to be a coordinated fakeclaim at first.

It wasn't a matter of being satisfied. We won't be because nothing can be proven without a Lynch. But lynching TLK is the play wether he is scum or town so reading him isn't important like at all.

If he's scum cool, if he's town then Profii is more or less town and PP is town. Tlk proves his claim and probable scum bites the bullet or outs themselves by nonvoting.

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because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?

TLK's alignment doesn't matter. Even if he's town his role is meant to be lynched

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Really Cool Queen and the avatar is Freddie Mercury but really close up.

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So I didn't give my thought process on this earlier.

If TLK is town here then he really has the sticky fruit. If TLK has the sticky fruit then it has scum involvement, It's clear to me that town wouldn't redirect the only claimed role with a night action for fun. So if TLK is telling the truth then scum messed with Profiis ability making him town.

If all of that is true I think PP is town, I'm less sure on that but fmpov scum would know TLK had the sticky fruit and was Ascetic so the way that PP came at TLK is weird from a scum perspective trying to "catch" TLK out. Like he didn't know TLK would have the fruit and not some item he tried to fakeclaim.

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So I didn't give my thought process on this earlier.

If TLK is town here then he really has the sticky fruit. If TLK has the sticky fruit then it has scum involvement, It's clear to me that town wouldn't redirect the only claimed role with a night action for fun. So if TLK is telling the truth then scum messed with Profiis ability making him town.

If all of that is true I think PP is town, I'm less sure on that but fmpov scum would know TLK had the sticky fruit and was Ascetic so the way that PP came at TLK is weird from a scum perspective trying to "catch" TLK out. Like he didn't know TLK would have the fruit and not some item he tried to fakeclaim.

I think we have different working out but both got the same answer

I don't articulate drawn out thoughts well, it all gets meshed but yeah the gist of it seems right to me.

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Everyone backing out on TLK skeeves me out so bad.

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Yes, town would have to agree TLK is the lynch to organize who the hammer is. Scum just has to snake in and dissuade part of the town that TLK is a bad Lynch, regardless of his alignment, to goad town into mistakenly hammering. Kind of makes you wonder.

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Roles are gated but boonus rounds grant +1 so yes there's always that risk wether tlk is lynched or not. I don't understand how lynching anyone else except tlk would prevent that.

Scum also kills EVERY night so dunno why that's an issue.

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Supersaint still needs resolving or do we let scum have one more opportunity for wifom?

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Big yikes.

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I have an issue with Una being second to last. I need him. Heart heart smiley face.

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If TLK is going to be the lynch I'm fine with hammering him if that's what people want.

If S_S is claiming PR after this post, burn it with fire.

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Just realized/remembered that I'm a day rep..

VOTE: END DAY

Please be responsible with your day-end-votes - I'm just laying mine down since I'm going to sleep+work next, meaning that I won't be around to vote for the next ~18 or so hours..

Get loose, go wild!

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SS is a fine vote but VOTE: Elsa Jay is mechanically better.

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Scum doc could be a thing.

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Why would a town doc out a heal on me of all people, and why would scum claim?

If scum DID heal me, its because I made sure they thought I was a traitor. Which I'm not. I'm a Miller.

Why would a town doc heal you after you lied about your vote?

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Una I'm gonna be ruining your plan today, sorry lol.

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It obviously should IMO; however, I have a feeling that scum might be trying to drive an EJ wagon to prevent a Something_Smart lynch today. Since we can confirm the revoting thing today, I want to lynch SS instead.

I was in the boonus round with SS and I said nothing would make me buy his story but with the no kill I kind of buy it unless SS and drewva are both scum together and I'll explain why when I get a chance.

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No Una, you don't have a quack.

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As in your prize was used?

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I chose a different target with the same modifier. Also no our group did not have a weak modifier.

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We gave SS the option if claiming today and I think it's in their best interest to do so. I'll save my theory for after his claim.

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Wait I'm a bit slow, how does a weak scumteam = nightless?

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Nevermind I reread your post, haven't seen weak come up in the boonus rounds I've been in and the wiki describes weak as "dies when targeting any non town wincon".

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How ya feeling Nero?

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Ok so I posted my locktowns in the boonus round and it was off the top of my head, this will be too but my townbin is something like Profii, PP, Una, Xtoxm ; Nero and N&M are close as far as town leans.

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If Elsa is recruited they just have someone else make the nightkill.

We can also confirm scum is not multitasking unless specified in their role based on multitasking being an available boonus round prize.

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I will still argue Elsa is confirmed traitor and the better Lynch.

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You're conf town Una you don't have to explain.

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Because the confirmed traitor tried to push a Lynch through on Una day 1 over the now confirmed scum rolecop.

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Elsa is the Lynch for the same reason SS is the Lynch and SS was willing to throw Elsa under the bus so.

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Speculating on bp doesn't mean anything until after she flips.

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I work the night shift, this is just my regular game time.

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In addition, I'm a bunyip. Essentially a Neapolitan. Una was my night 2 check, Vanilla. Elsa actively attempted a counterwagon to flippynips day 1 off the back of AC's read.

I considered scum bussing a less important role than rolecop (in this case it would be mafia goon) however I don't believe the claimed traitor/Miller would be the one leading the bussed wagon, towncred doesn't do anything for that slot.

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Una this is why I know you haven't quacked but I townread you for trying to catch creature out with it anyway.

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Btw...they are both scum!

Why didn't S_S vote TLK?
Because they KNEW Elsa wasn't going to end up last on the wagon.
Meaning they would've committed suicide then and there!

Town!S_S would've assumed that Elsa ends up last on the wagon OR is scum.
So they would've done their vote on TLK, and ended up dead after the lynch.
Instead, they KNEW that Elsa wasn't going to do it because scum has no reason to kill themselves like that (because any day they survive further advances their wincon).

BOTH OF THEM not doing what they agreed to do, means that they are both scum.

This was my counterargument to SS' claim as well.

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I know I wasn't redirected based on what happened with the stickyfruit.

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I don't doubt SS and Elsa are together but SS gave Elsa up as Traitor so I'm willing to Lynch there first.

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ehh can use charges but I don't necessarily need them, I gave mine away. Well last night's charge anyway.

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I have another result that I'm not ready to reveal yet but I think I intend on having them claim today.

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I'm terrible at mechanics, I still want the claim.

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I may not have posted my reaction to your ducky claim but my first thought was to roast TW for it. Your result was vanilla.

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Drewva I'm not sure if you read SS' last post in the boonus round or not. If you did what did you think about it?

Spoiler is it pissed me right off.

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I'm not asking them to claim yet and possibly not at all.

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I think I may know the role but I'm still reading soo

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Ahh well I can't talk about it without claiming SS' role.

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Well...putting my foot in my mouth now, my result on Una was in fact incorrect....

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Not changing targets for his gift, but that he was checking xtoxm.

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Boon corrected it in my confessional before I claimed. Literally right before but I didn't check it till he pmed me. I don't know of j can say that but I said it.

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RCE is there some reason we can't just out SS's roleclaim from the boonus round? I don't see why we need to wait for him to claim it unless there was something in the last post I missed

-d

Not really I just wanted the claim to come from him for the reactions.

SS claimed Rolecop in the boonus round and explained his actions as him trying to bait Elsa into taking the hammer since he had checked Elsa as Traitor.

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I TRUSTED YOU!

IM SOOOO SORRY!!!!

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Elsa claimed traitor then claimed Miller like day 1 and 2.

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Boon corrected it in my confessional before I claimed. Literally right before but I didn't check it till he pmed me. I don't know of j can say that but I said it.

Why don't you restart this one from the beginning? With the correct info perhaps.

Idk dude, boon told me it was the wrong result and Una is not vanilla. Idk what think about it now honestly.

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I need to go before lylo because I didn't believe Elsa's bullshit?

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Nope. Garbage claim, pushing traitor suspect over possible scum PR, potential rolefishing.

You need to go before LYLO because you tainted your slot.

Traitor is antitown and if scum have two rolecops, meh. I still don't believe SS is a rolecop, Elsa was already confirmed traitor with the EoD votecount.

I already have the information, if I'm scum I just hold that for myself and nightkill my check. A claim doesn't benefit me there.

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Bunyip is in the regular rolelist, I'm not a variant.

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Nah I take blame, I intended to throw the boonus game so no one won, didn't want multitask out there but you guys convinced me on the leash.

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Fine with switching to SS then, think I just wanted to be right on Elsa all along.

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Yes SS was supposed to gift Profii, in hindsight it wasn't a great idea to give SS a win but town was rewarded too so meh.

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Cool, end the day.

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Would be crazy to be a traitor in a game you claimed traitor in.

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I don't recall anyone claiming disloyal as one of the possible prizes actually.

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Nevermind, Dave or Creature had disloyal as possible prizes.

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And I would definitely Lynch either after Elsa hangs.

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Yeah I mean we went over this in the boonus room. But his flip doesn't change your fate the next day.

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They haven't, it's kinda worrying to me too.

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creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?

SS claims a n2 check on Elsa yes, which is why we flip SS.

Dave/creature vs SS are not the same alignment.

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Holy shit why am I being wagoned here.

I'm rolecop. Holstered N1, checked Elsa N2- he is traitor. Not bulletproof traitor.
N2 I was gifted disloyal and +1, essentially turning me into a cop.

Do you not see why I did what I did? Making sure my guilty was second-to-last so the bullet hits him. Then I can use my other check, which is basically a cop check. Which I did. No result on Xtoxm, he's almost certainly town.

I think you heard all about the boonus round already, we compromised. I gave neighborizer to profii. I also received loud and +1 so I have one more shot tonight.

Elsa is the lynch today. I crumbed this REALLY hard, multiple times. I can go back and find them if people want. But even if you think Elsa and I are both scum, you ALWAYS hang him first, because I'm literally a cop.

VOTE: Elsa

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So Dave/creature/Elsa are the same alignment and SS is the opposite either way he flips.

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Barring some mechanic with traitor that disrupts disloyal.

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For SS to fake traitor and both Dave and creature to claim disloyal checks on Elsa would have to come from 4 scum in a situation that's SvS to begin with so I don't...think that's the case?

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Well traitor is a scum only role so...

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Was Ascetic an available modifier?

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No xtoxm, SS first.

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Was Ascetic an available modifier?

Don't know, I didn't think to paraphrase the info into my confessional before the round ended.

Our Boonus round Boon put the prizes in our confessional. Is that not true for the others?

They change each night and you can't see the previous nights prizes.

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What were we room A? We had Loud, 1 shot neighborizer, 1 shot charge transfer, and multitasking.

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Gammas room night 1 had Ascetic as an option.

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Oh, he did so for night 2 but not last night.

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Room A:

Night 1:

DrewVa: Vig kept (used N3, unconfirmed)
BEF: Naught
Alonzo: Naught

Night 2:



Night 3:

DrewVa: Loud to SS
RCE: Loud
SS: Neighbor to Profii

Room B:

Night 1 {Disloyal:

Creature: Disloyal?
davesaz: Disloyal kept

Night 2: {ninja, loyal, loud}

Xtoxm: Loss
Nero: Win
RCenigma: Win {1 shot charge transfer}

Night 3:

Room C

Night 1:

Thanos: Win
Nero: Lose
Gemerald: Lose

Night 2:

CD: Win
N&M: Lose
Penguin: Win

Night 3: {Weak/Ascetic/Mtasking/Charge transfer}

Jingle: Weak to Una
Una: Weak to EJ
Creature: Win {Weak/Ascetic/Mtasking/Charge transfer}

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Room A:

Night 1:

DrewVa: Vig kept (used N3, unconfirmed)
BEF: Naught
Alonzo: Naught

Night 2:



Night 3:

DrewVa: Loud to SS
RCE: Loud
SS: Neighbor to Profii

Room B:

Night 1 {Disloyal:

Creature: Disloyal?
davesaz: Disloyal kept

Night 2: {ninja, loud, 1 shot charge transfer}

Xtoxm: Loss
Nero: Win
RCenigma: Win {1 shot charge transfer}

Night 3:

Room C

Night 1:

Thanos: Win
Nero: Lose
Gemerald: Lose

Night 2:

CD: Win
N&M: Lose
Penguin: Win

Night 3: {Weak/Ascetic/Mtasking/Charge transfer}

Jingle: Weak to Una
Una: Weak to EJ
Creature: Win {Weak/Ascetic/Mtasking/Charge transfer}

Ebwop

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I don't know what Miller's wincon is.

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What? I’ve never played in any large normals on this site.

Not Known 15's large normal where Boonskies was IC from d1 and scum purposely didn't kill him, leaving him alive. You died on n1 as n2& n3 rolestopper. That game.

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Part of me wants to end the day from what I'm seeing & not seeing, from EJ.

That was just Dva, Nancy wasn't in that game.

~ P

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Nero what modifiers do you have?

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Nero lost that night.

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My votes been on SS as of yesterday 8:14 a.m and I'll avoid the revote thing to keep it that way. Since it's worth noting.

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Nancy didn't talk about vigging in the boonus room.

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Noted but it doesn't really matter which flips first.

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AC lost night one didn't he? @creature/dave

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You claim rolecop, having got no result on xtox yet you say he's likely town - lol?

I'm disloyal

My action fails on any town player

If room A night 1 was the only room with disloyal and only 2 winners (both claim to have kept it) there can't be 3 of the modifiers out there. Or at the very least couldn't have been out there night 2 when SS claimed his check.

I get SS is getting lynched anyway I just wanted to point that out

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Forgot why I hard scumread creature. I think mostly the interactions with Una whom I hard townread.

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EJ is scum because there's no reason not to be L-1 on a SS lynch and her unvote/revote lie is just gross

What about the disloyals getting no result on her?

It sounds like the only one who has ever gotten a result on elsa was ss. No other night action has worked (that I've heard of)

-d

Has anyone other than - who didn’t have a disloyal - visit her?

And i’m kind of pissed at RCE vetoing gifting Creature a room now. I just hate that both of our NAs were wasted. :/

I wanted to give the hood shot to Profii but we put SS on it.

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Given the information that's come out today I think it's clear SS should be the Lynch since it sorts slots outside of him, specifically creature/Dave. Elsa doesn't give any additional info unless she flips bp or something.

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Creature and Dave did. They were in room A with AC night one.

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The only room that had a disloyal modifier prize, both claimed they kept disloyal and SS claimed he was gifted disloyal. And since 2 =/= 3... Someone's a liar.

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Only room that had a disloyal modifier at that point*

Not sure if any had this modifier afterwards.

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Yeah but for SS to have disloyal it would have to be Dave or Creature that gifted it to him.

Wow, I was going to ask why they would claim to hold it instead of trying to clear their partner but that's pretty obvious. Also don't think modifiers flip with the role but I might be wrong on that.

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Does disloyal affect Drewva's ability at all?

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It's not alignment based though?

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It's worth asking but I don't think so, it's not a modifier. For example the 1 shot charge transfer can't be charge with a +1 and is not permanent.

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If her ability works with modifiers then great. It's not as valuable now as it could be later though.

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I endorse this message.

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You realize that if it works with modifiers and she's weak we either get 3 conftown per day or a guaranteed scumlynch, right?

When the number of participants drops yes. Her targets aren't guaranteed to be in the same room. So there is always the possibility those slots would have been selected regardless of her ability.

I think? I don't know how the ability works or the boonus round selection.

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Ok so her selection with weak would be an instant death if she activates scum?

NVM my post then.

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Yeah I get it now. That's my thing though it seems very broken.

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Inb4 boon pulls all weak prizes.

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Yeah I know the number of participants depends on the number of slots alive.

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That only matters for loyal I wasn't thinking about weak.

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Rip dude it was nice playing with you again.

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Loyal guilties are conditional while weak guilties are absolute. Thus better.

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Creature what other modifiers do you have?

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Also I noticed you can activate multiple times in a post, if you get gifted weak don't do this. Then we have to guess who the bad apple is.

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I have a guess about tonight's kill and it's not us or jingle

-d

Can it be me? Not by vigi obviously, but maybe mafia will be sick of my shit and take me out.

I'd ship it.

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Let me get some of that good stuff.

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Hmm, it's still strong but not as strong as I thought then if that's how it works.

I would still space them out in case.

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part of me wants to ask wisdom to come replace someone who asked if he should replace out.

~ P

Please, God no. Have a heart.

I'd pay for round 2.

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Why is this day still going?

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That's a dumb question that doesn't need an answer.

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It answers itself, why ask it?

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Dva, why did SS tell us he was checking xtoxm in the boonus round?

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No I think he jailkept Elsa that night, going back to see who won in Ascetic available rooms. One of the disloyal claims could still be fake.

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His claimed check on xtoxm was specifically for us, I don't think SS really saw a world where he lived through the day, so I don't think it was out there for the next boonus round to read and he would have to claim his check that day anyways.

I keep thinking he was distancing but I townread xtoxm pretty hard. If it's just wifom it's just wifom though.

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I didn't get anything, I love you guys too xoxo.

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Elsa could have been asceticized night 1 by: creature/Dave/Nero/gamma

SS also mentioned he had multiple charges in the boonus round so he could possibly have jailkept Elsa on both nights.

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Ebwop: both nights 2 and 3*

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There were only 2 boonus rounds last night correct?

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Una and I didn't have a 1v1. He slightly scumreads me after my claim though I think? I still townread Una and have heard 0 quacks.

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Haven't really read through the last 10 pages or so but there isn't an Alien jailkept if Drewva = Variant, Profii = variant, and sticky fruit vendor = boon bank role.

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Also disproves a scum redirector but doesn't explain what happened with sticky fruit.

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I'll say I haven't scumread drewva since the 1v1 with Thanos but if one of Jingle/drewva flips scum I can see the other flipping the same alignment.

The flips I needed in order to townread creature were something like cheeky/drewva town, Gamma either alignment. If Drewva is town creature is town imo. I also thought cheeky was stickyfruit vendor not JK or motion detector.

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In jingles case there are few slots he is vouching for, only yours that I can recall just from memory. Outside of his mechanical talk he's just throwing shade at every slot that isnt lock town or is not mislynchable.

Sorry not sorry you don't get a pass for pointing out obvscum when everyone was willing to pile on SS for pulling the rug out anyways.

Also the way you've defended kokichi's slot all game. With 5 scum I'm going to run under the assumption not all of the scum can distance simultaneously.

Disclaimer I don't scumread you, I do slightly scumreads jingle though I think there are better lynches *Should be red flags for Nancy since I said this same thing in OK2 but it fits*.

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With that said I agree bef isn't on my good side anymore. I gave him the pass the first 2 days with the semantics argument and his dayreps theory. At this point though dayrep selection should not be a town priority and insisting on hunting within the dayreps is antitown at best. Scummy tmi at worst.

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Bold assumption: there was 0 scum on TLK'S wagon. I had this thought yesterday when looking back at all the votecounts. I also made a gamma/Nero connection that doesn't hold up with Gammas statements yesterday, though I still don't know what gamma has on Nero. Assuming it's not a red check but something isn't adding up there.

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Also the way you've defended kokichi's slot all game. With 5 scum I'm going to run under the assumption not all of the scum can distance simultaneously.

I've defended kokichi's slot all game? This is at me right?

-d

Yes, I recall you being one of the main supporters of Kokichi and UL being town based on meta.

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Yes, I recall you being one of the main supporters of Kokichi and UL being town based on meta.

true, and that meta read had literally just won me a game at the time so I was feeling good about it. That being said kokichi is aware I read him for activity, but I wasn't sure how much he would warp his meta for just my read so I didn't want to toss it. It's not a foolproof tell tho and I don't think I presented it as such

-d

Lol if there is anyone that you specifically tweak meta for it's Drewva. Nancy specifically I think. Especially if you aren't willing to nk drewva early.

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Come on Dva, I didn't even choose to cheat death before. That shit was out of my controll.

But that's just me kicking a dead horse at this point since only I'm certain of my role. Clues do point to me being a threat to scum just as much as town for some reason.

Town want me dead, Scum want me dead... I don't even know how I'm even still here. Only divine intervention or a fellow Anarchist comes to mind.

I'm still not getting it. Scum 100% did not shoot you. You should be wondering what happened to scums kill the most. Especially after SS flipped JK. If you feel scum targeted you, your line of thinking is that a scum jailkept you so that investigative a could not prove you were town or at the very least not Traitor till you flip.

It pains me to say but your only saving grace is that Jingle *might* be spewing you town if he's scum. Might.

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Voting SS wasn't like an avoidable thing idk why everyone keeps using that. If jingle flips scum it makes me reevaluate your slot. Unpopular opinion w/e. I still don't scumread you.

Still think Una is town for the reaction to my claim even if my original read was based on false information given to me.

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i would be surprised and very impressed if rce is scum

Ayy it would impress me too. Considering my scum game is likened to a sack of potatoes.

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Yikes, bring back Dva.

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i would be surprised and very impressed if rce is scum

Me too, but also fck that shit for deceiving me and trying to pocket me he needs to burn for that oh gawd I hope he isn't scum

Be mad at boon lol. You'll get to see it after the game.

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Yikes, bring back Dva.

You think we would view this differently?

Dva did? She doesn't agree but still.

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It's not Neapolitan, I don't know what the difference is, they are two separate roles though.

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Nevermind....God I'm bad at this game.

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Will do boss.

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In addition, I'm a bunyip. Essentially a Neapolitan. Una was my night 2 check, Vanilla.

..well...Bunyip, but you got the point.
Also, the result was false, I am not Vanilla.

Una this is why I know you haven't quacked but I townread you for trying to catch creature out with it anyway.

And then there is this.

"I know you haven't quacked"

Fits the Bunyip-role, sure. But also fits a Tracker/Motion Detector/whatever seeing that I didn't move N2.
So this could be scum being overly confident with themselves. Until I put my foot on the ground.

Boonsky, my man, confirmed I am not indeed Vanilla.
So.....RCE......I'm afraid I can't trust you to make it to LyLo either.

Good thing you conf.towned me anyway! (regardless of your alignment)

..was followed by..

Well...putting my foot in my mouth now, my result on Una was in fact incorrect....

Mmhm.

Boon corrected it in my confessional before I claimed. Literally right before but I didn't check it till he pmed me. I don't know of j can say that but I said it.

I'm sure he did..

Consider that you replace into a lynchbait slot that only had me defending it afaik. Then consider your slot still had opposition before my claim and as you said yourself didn't have many advocates.

Then consider I would have just double down and just argued you must be lying if I were scum. I'm not largely scumread. Not super townread either but that's neither here nor there.

If I'm a motion detector or tracker I've no use outing you not moving. It would be a poor use of my role. You can hold your opinion I'm just pointing out why it's wrong fmpov.

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Well Una did you quack at me that night?

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Idc if I'm lynched, I either didn't hear it, you didn't target me, or you don't quack. People can decide what they want.

I'm only useful for vanilla roles. I also don't have a crumb to back it up, just a soft sort of? But I'd have to go back to the beginning of the game to grab it.

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My N2 result wasn't tampered with afaik, Boon literally gave me the wrong result and didn't catch it until just before I claimed.

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If you don't want to townread him just say you don't want to townread him.

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2 of the 4 slots that lynched flippy day 1 have flipped town. With 5 alive they must have spread pretty thin so if you believe flippy was bussed it should clear the other slot. Speaking about drewva and xtoxm, also think drewva is just clear anyways since she wouldn't be vouching for xtoxm if that was the case.

His first boonus round demeanor was also pretty townie and the way you described your 'optimal' boonus round play from a town perspective it fits the bill, ask Room A participants it's in there.

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So we have
- Xtoxm on the day 1 Lynch of scum
- Xtoxm bringing attention to SS day 1 and day 2 pre-suspicion
- Xtoxms boonus round play
- Policy against rolefishing

As all + townpoints to me.

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*cringes in NSFW*

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You had a comment about town being open about boonus alignment and working from there in the interest of town. Xtoxm was the initiator of that in our boonus round.

Pretty quick as well, we had something like a day and a half of just main game discussion.

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I'll probably regret saying this but I'd let Una mislynch before I Lynch xtoxm.

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Ebwop: mislynch me*

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I'll probably regret saying this but I'd let Una mislynch before I Lynch xtoxm.

Why would you regret that exactly

If xtoxm is scum here I'd be eating my words.

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^ I meant to actually post lol

It just seems a weird turn of phrase - obviously you are saying Xtoxm is town but are you saying you want to mislynch Una here ? Like you town read una but their flip proves what? Why would you be happy with a mislynch ? How do you know / guess this?

I’m guessing I’ve missed what you are really saying so maybe ignore me

No I was saying I would let Una lead a mislynch on me before I try to Lynch xtoxm.

I obviously know my alignment and don't feel I'll budge on xtoxm. Especially after being right on McQueen town.

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Bad vibes

N&M -- the situation we have then is:
-A missing scum nightkill
-A claimed town commuter that didn't commute the night of that missing nightkill
-A claimed town doctor that didn't protect the night of that missing nightkill

This means we have, de facto, three town protective claims. That's on top of whatever the fuck elsa is, which I guess at this point would seem to have to be the recipient of SS's jailkeep when we vigged him.

Is that impossible in a setup this large? No. Does it have my attention? Yes.

So what do you think of Jingle's claim then, I guess?

-d

I have a conditional protection but it wasn't triggered the night the kill went missing.

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I dunno, I'm bad so take this with a grain of salt. Dave was absent a lot of OK2 as well and I have townread him there I thought his inputs were well thought out and meaningful when he did post. That was fmpov where I could objectively read slots without a lot of consequence.

It's like 2 different players when I compare it to this game. I'll probably never be one for mechanical play so this is just, gut and limited meta so.

Dave, jingle, Bef, and Elsa I could still go for. But I'm probably just voting Bef today.

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Re the N&M claim

It’s a curious claim because surely in a scum PT the other guys would be like “we will put N&M protection on ~whoever~”

Like IME of scum it’s not necessarily up to the individual scum PRs to declare their own actions

So it could be an extra wifom element of the claim

I need to iso to decide

Was it confirmed scum have daychat or am I lost?

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I'll have you know that every single post I make is well thought out.

None of mine ever are

Well it occured to me nightchat is a thing anyway so, lol relevant.

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Agreed Dva, it doesn't do anything for scum until they are in a position to win anyway. So it isn't really worth nominating for a dayrep. It's also not provable without knowing how dayreps are selected and honestly it's not important to me with that in mind.

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I dunno, I'm bad so take this with a grain of salt. Dave was absent a lot of OK2 as well and I have townread him there I thought his inputs were well thought out and meaningful when he did post. That was fmpov where I could objectively read slots without a lot of consequence.

It's like 2 different players when I compare it to this game. I'll probably never be one for mechanical play so this is just, gut and limited meta so.

Dave, jingle, Bef, and Elsa I could still go for. But I'm probably just voting Bef today.

You think BEF is a better lynch than N & M? Convince me.

I don't have a case for one over the other, I haven't had a townlean for either since day 2 so.

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No we know how terrible it was in retrospect but it's a too scummy to be scum kind of deal and Bef isn't the kind of scum player to wag it in your face.

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Nancy won't defend my honor but Dva will.

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I will say the game that Bunyip comes from had it as a scum role. It would just be a negative utility role in this setup. I think in the BooneyToonz game it worked like a traitor? From what I skimmed. So they could bulletproof a goon or something.

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Una not vanilla, cheeky not vanilla.

Thought cheeky was stickyfruit vendor after my check.

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Una not vanilla, cheeky not vanilla.

Thought cheeky was stickyfruit vendor after my check.

Have you said which nights?

Una n2 and cheeky n3.

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GE hinted at a targeting role already, PP's is ambiguous because his gift could have just been from a boonus round but since it's a separate mechanic, it shouldn't have been affected by the stickyfruit.

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Nevermind GE was getting at the frequency Nero was showing up in boonus rounds.

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We only found out TLK was in possession of the stickyfruit when PP asked if TLK got his gift.

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Profii sent it to someone else yes but wouldn't have known it was redirected if PP didn't ask TLK about his gift.

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It makes more sense to you that Nev is baiting for protective claims. But not that Jingle is by asking for mass claim because????

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I bulletproof vanilla checks yes, just for that night.

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If Una is scum here I'll eat my hat A50.

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That's indigestion.

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i like how Una just colored Elsa red.

This also pleases me.

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I'm with drewva to be honest. Rereading Cheekys iso is making me kind of paranoid but I think N&M comes away from cheekys iso as a scummier slot than the ones I'm paranoid of.

One of Alonzo/McQueen was on track and are worth digging through. I want to say Alonzo to take the lazy way out but cheeky didn't die over their JK joke.

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I still can't wrap my head around how tlk ended up with the fruit.

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An enchantress in this setup means 1 scum within Drewva/Profii/Enchantress claim.

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Hmm is there a role that forces a night action?

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A town redirect role 100% should have claimed it day 3 or whenever stickygate happened.

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Those that received loyal or loud modifiers would know if the claim is truthful. I don't think anyone besides Nero has claimed loud besides Nero and I sent that to him.

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Profii wouldn't need to be redirector to send the fruit he already had to tlk.

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Redirector would have to be a variant however and since two variants are already claimed there would have to be at least one scum in drewva/Profii/Bef for a redirector to exist.

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I'm not sure, there was a bit of wifom with his claim, maybe to push his Lynch and block investigatives? It doesn't sound super viable though.

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Which is what made SS' move a hard scum claim and why Elsa is still on the table for me.

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Yes we are on the same page jingle.

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Only if PP is scum with either drewva or Profii, Nev.

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Which fits if Profii is a scum!Inventor.