BooneyToonz Extravaganza: LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

[RCEnigma]

Not like ducks can smite right?

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A knight that's loyal to no emperor is no knight at all.

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If A50 slips 3 more times he's scum.

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Taylored roles hmm?

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That makes you a mercenary.

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A cypher impossible to crack is invaluable.

I would argue much more than a sword to the highest bidder.

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Even if I were a mercenary, at least I'd be trusted to do my job. A Remote Controlled Enigma, on the other hand, is a very scummy monicker.

A cypher impossible to crack is invaluable.

I would argue much more than a sword to the highest bidder.

I'm just a Snow Queen from a time when books and documents are what we use. Having "remote-controlled" anything is unwarranted since it doesn't exist.

I believe I'll take the Knight/Mercenary.

It would be very rude to call royalty "old-fashioned" but may I introduce you to the wonderful world of AES 256-bit encryption?

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Well this is gonna be a thing this game too I guess Blissfully ignore Nero Cain till he flips

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Lightsabers are science-y o.o

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Laserbeams are science, death beams everywhere are disappointed right now.

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What can I say, I'm an Evil genius.

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Mr. Bigglesworth says you can live for now.

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Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Jazzhands.

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If you turn someone into a companion duck for TW I will concede.

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Consider me impressed. Quack.

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@Boonskies, since my role has been changed to production assistants assistant do I gain the ability to modkill?

The duck barely gets to do that.

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There will be an assistants strike before the game ends.

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Huehuehue I'm a miniboss now.

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Hmm, I have reason to believe drewva pulled scum.

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Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

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Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

I would have had to read the rules to know that.

[RCEnigma]

Nancy Drew 39
Vanilla Town

Aligned with Town

Nancy Drew in the detective book series didn't need any special powers to solve crimes - all she needed was the powers of her mind, thinking on her feet, and talking her way out of sticky situations. We believe you've got that toolkit without a role.

You will win when you have eliminated all threats to the Town.

This line specifically is what I'm basing it on.

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I'm aware it's not your role pm, however it wouldn't make sense to only add half of the town win condition. Ergo I'm under the impression you weren't aware of that portion of the town win condition.

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Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

I read it at some point.

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I accused Elsa of nothing. I accused Drewva of being scum.

I'm not an alt or Hydra of RC.....yet.

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Or enigma*

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Is this after an end of day vote? Will those votes be in a public Vote counts as well?

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The role is from a previous BoonyToonz game.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=72015&p=9264703#p9264703

Bunyip was a pink mafia role in BooneyToonz lll.

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I accused Elsa of nothing. I accused Drewva of being scum.

I'm not an alt or Hydra of RC.....yet.

Because I posted a role PM from a game, that I wasn’t even in?

I think you’re either scum here or lack a sense of humour. Which would be shocking coming from an Austin Powers’ fan.

Not the point. There is a reason this is a dumb push but until Nancy concludes why, my stance will stay the same.

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Not a riddle but you still haven't addressed the wincon for town.

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Let me skim the rules, don't know if you can say your wincon(?)

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Don't know if it breaks rule 37.

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Or if that applies to rolecarfs if not directly qouted.

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In shouldn’t say it anyway, according to you, right? If scum don’t actually know what it is, then we can catch them that way.

Possibly. I will keep in mind that you have only acknowledged it, though it doesn't prove to me you know what it is. I'll come back to it later.

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There are a LOT of spelling errors in 141, I should start proofreading.

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you didn't realize till FL pointed it out.

To be fair I forgot about the sample rolecard

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I would assume scum also has that part in their wincon which made it pointless once I realized that.

But it could have made someone sweat if town had like a wincon addition that scum wouldn't have knowledge if. Or they at least thought so.

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Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

Now that I've read through the rules, SK is in the pool of roles so. ????

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Even if I were a mercenary, at least I'd be trusted to do my job. A Remote Controlled Enigma, on the other hand, is a very scummy monicker.

A cypher impossible to crack is invaluable.

I would argue much more than a sword to the highest bidder.

I'm just a Snow Queen from a time when books and documents are what we use. Having "remote-controlled" anything is unwarranted since it doesn't exist.

I believe I'll take the Knight/Mercenary.

I’m 100% Berserker.

Mafia// Stay Night confirmed?

[RCEnigma]

Even if I were a mercenary, at least I'd be trusted to do my job. A Remote Controlled Enigma, on the other hand, is a very scummy monicker.

A cypher impossible to crack is invaluable.

I would argue much more than a sword to the highest bidder.

I'm just a Snow Queen from a time when books and documents are what we use. Having "remote-controlled" anything is unwarranted since it doesn't exist.

I believe I'll take the Knight/Mercenary.

I’m 100% Berserker.

Mafia// Stay Night confirmed?

I was thinking Fire Emblem but okey

Oh, dibs on Wyvern rider then.

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Even if I were a mercenary, at least I'd be trusted to do my job. A Remote Controlled Enigma, on the other hand, is a very scummy monicker.

A cypher impossible to crack is invaluable.

I would argue much more than a sword to the highest bidder.

I'm just a Snow Queen from a time when books and documents are what we use. Having "remote-controlled" anything is unwarranted since it doesn't exist.

I believe I'll take the Knight/Mercenary.

I’m 100% Berserker.

Mafia// Stay Night confirmed?

I was thinking Fire Emblem but okey

Oh, dibs on Wyvern rider then.

I feel I’m at a disadvantage, having never played this game before. :/

Play sacred stone on a gba emulator. It's a banger.

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It won't, it's just fun to play.

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You sir will leave my fish friend alone.

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:facepalm: you didn't realize till FL pointed it out.

To be fair I forgot about the sample rolecard

Translation: You're stupid, but I'm as stupid as you are.

P.S. No offense. It was such a stupid debate though.

Accurate but AP would never insult me this way.

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He's already endangered!

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Leave the cheeky one alone. Consume the fish.

i think we should declare democracy, so monarch must go

Long live the queen. But if she were to "accidentally" fall I'll after consuming the fish well.......Deus Vult.

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i do believe that Cheeky speaks the truth there.

why was Almost obvtown in pregame, Cheeky? :>
~Chara

>.> it's embarrassing but he knows why. Basically the same reason I try to not sort RC until I have to. Luckily you guys are paired though because I find you interact better with my paranoia.

~ C

Dunno why I thought this was A50 saying he can't sort me. Why am I in a box with the monkey?

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After waking up and reading through all of this, why am I not surprised to see RCE jumping to defend BEF? Too lazy to quote right now, but I have hard scum reads on both of these acronyms. I already threw my random accusations at the Emperors here but I may be willing to point at one of these two instead. RCE hasn't even bothered to deny being scum up until now either, so we may as well just vote him.

I did smell scum flakes when I read BEF's posts but I also see the chance of it being too much pot stirring to be scum. It's too attention grabbing. So I see this as trolling, at least for now.

I want to return to my original claim and echo Ramcius on ending the monarchy by voting for an Emperor. Preferably the Boon looking imposter. I just think Emperors New Groove is a bit too bold with Boonskiies around.

Despite BEF and I bring your two "hard" scum reads you are still advocating for your RVS pushes. And one hard scum read isn't a hard scumread with little happening in between?

You can call me scum because I said you play with a foam sword all you want. That doesn't make it a good reason

Feel free to elaborate on any of these, I'm especially interested on why you are pushing the emperors again.

Also if I get flipped check the guy holding the stick and Nero cheerleading from the sandbox respectively.

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Dunno why I thought this was A50 saying he can't sort me. Why am I in a box with the monkey?

RC = RadiantCowbells. RCE = you. From my pov anyway.

No no, I am the RC now. He can be RCB.

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I'm not scumreading drewva. I'm semi-content with what I got out of it. I like Bef pushing there even if it was based on miscommunication. They are both just town here Imo.

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One of Nero/the last knight, nev and max rubs me the wrong way but I can't put my finger on it, A50/Chara aren't out of their scumrange. Those aren't necessarily all scumreads since I don't have strong scumreads yet and I prefer to townhunt early.

My town so far are BEF, probably drewva (Dva hasn't posted enough for me to be sure), ramcius. Just outside of that is gamma, possibly A50/Chara for steering the direction away from the "IF" debate and the manner they did it in. Again, not outside of their scumrange though.

Everyone else is null.

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So,

Sheep mentality
Omgus
And just cuz.

That's solid. Dear diary, I have found scum day 1 and will Lynch him post haste. To be continued.

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I am voting Knight btw. Team Evil Vs. Team Merc. I am drawing the house line now, pick a side.

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No it's a combination of the omgus read, presenting scumreads on myself and bef as serious reads then backing off when Bef gained support (or at least townreads), and then reverting back to "none of that is serious I'm still RVSing".

It all wreaks of cautious scum and I'm calling back on it.

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If you want me to expand on my read for Fish, I will.

I thought it was annoying that BEF was harping on a word choice and then saw you, my main dissenter RCE, side with Fish for no reason. You hadn't said anything in pages and then piped up when Elsa wanted to vote BEF. It seemed all too convenient for BEF that you would defend him so easily and with no real reasoning of your own. BEF was an accessory to my scum read on YOU because why else would you two collude.

The difference between you and Fish is the use of sound evidence. I didn't agree with BEF's reasons but at least they existed. You have no real reason to claim me scum. Just your weird issue with me wanting to kill the Emperors. And you just become more and more suspicious with your half-baked claims.

I'm not afraid of calling out suspicious behavior but I also saw no real reason to go back on my original joke claim... until now. I feel far more confident in voting for RCE to kill with all these desperate claims against me.

Would you like to ask me the reason I think Bef is town? Before pushing the idea that I dont have one?

It was Dave's response that prompted me to speak up on Bef's behalf, that's misleading "fact" number 2 so far.

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We got too many people. More then 23 including the Hydras. We gotta thin the herd.

I cant remember everyone in this game, especially with the hydra slips. Sigh.

Elsa,
Why all the shade? Are you harbouring emotions from a past game?

Reality show biz, my friend. You aren't appealing to the audience. Unfortunately, that means you gotta go.

Don't know how I feel about Elsa breaking the 4th wall every few posts. It's a nice wall.

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Alonzo -- wouldn't he have shitposted more by now as town?
Something_Smart -- does something_smart not like rolling scum?

Favorite reads this game.

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So ok, I fake daykilled him b/c I was annoyed at him and Else trolling and bloating this thread. That alone is antitown/scummy but then I felt like RCE's threat/promise to ignore me was scummy. Like I can't go into details b/c both our games are ongoing but I have an excellent track record of reading him and I could see scum RCE intentionally not wanting to be in an argument with me.

1.) You only think you have an excellent track record. I'll leave it at that.

2.) You have a style thing I don't mesh with and I don't want to humor it day 1 for my, your, and everyone else's enjoyment in this game.

If it has to be addressed at a later day then fine. If you can kill me in the night just kill me in the night.

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Don't think I agree with this, also don't like this as an entrance.

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Jokes are antitown -Nero 2018

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Not to get into another argument over semantics but,

Antitown is an over used term to encompass everything that isn't game advancing. By that metric even your question is antitown, it doesn't get town any closer to our wincon.

It should be used for anything detrimental to town and NOT for anything that doesn't directly benefit town.

Tldr; No I don't think jokes are antitown.
There wouldn't be an rvs if that was the case.

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Almost threw Alonzo in my town block for that lol.

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He's doing better then the other AFK crew that can end the day. Don't grill him for wanting the game to go forward.

oh, i won't, once we agree to your lynch

but as we are now, we have no consensus on lynch, we barely have discussion and your friend here is trying end day without making any effort to find scum, so I feel like I have every right to grill him for it

I kinda dislike saying this, but I agree with the bolded part. Page 30 seems like an arbitrary number pulled out of an ass somewhere. Guy doesnt know where we are as a gamestate yet, and he is saying hes going to stop it in 8 pages (if he gets support from his othe r3) so he can catch up? Seems like an easy way to have all 5 scum votes on one unsuspecting player while the rest of us have our votes scattered and ultimately wasted.

Why would having all the scum hard claim day 1 be an issue exactly?

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Yeah I still don't agree. I'm oblivious as either alignment. I would think it was towny reasoning if they didn't have a myriad of posts and therefore other points you could have sorted them as town for.

Sure, *you* may be oblivious as either alignment -- that doesn't mean it's false that scum would likelier be aware of such a mechanic.
Feel free to disagree with me here, but I'm still sticking by it.
That slot usually has a lot of posts which I don't find AI.

This is also worth noting for review.

You reading it how I'm reading it?

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Why would having all the scum hard claim day 1 be an issue exactly?

If they have 5 votes to use, all they have to hope for is no one else to have more than 4. I suppose if they put all those votes on the person we all consider to be most likely town that would be paramount to a scum claim, but if it we're me I would pick someone middle of the pack with enough "reasons" to be on them that defending my choice day 2 would be simple.

I get that he is one component out of 4 that needs to decide, 3 if you look at plaurality. I kinda think the ending of the day should still be a group decision and not just theirs.

Ok but either 5 votes decide the Lynch as a scum collaborative effort (hard scum claiming) or town controls the lynch. I don't see the problem here.

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You reading it how I'm reading it?

How were you reading it?

That bef was town regardless of thanos alignment. In general an in depth read like that seems tmi given the context. Up to that point it was a pissing match between slots giving vague reads and slots angry at people giving vague reads while not doing anything differently.

It's a good opportunity to seem townie, was my first impression.

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That bef was town regardless of thanos alignment. In general an in depth read like that seems tmi given the context. Up to that point it was a pissing match between slots giving vague reads and slots angry at people giving vague reads while not doing anything differently.

It's a good opportunity to seem townie, was my first impression.

Have you looked at any of my previous games?
Would you have preferred I give "vague" reads to blend in?
This is my first large, and my other head's as well *shrug* trying to find a suitable style to adopt here. I thought I had a reasonable basis for starting to town people.
There were other slots being serious and playing the game at that point too; what do you make of them? (Davesaz, Nev&Max)

~Auro

Wasn't aware this was a hydra too. I don't really know your game Auro so I'll probably be looking more at Lamees posts for alignment indicative things.

I semi liked Dave as town in a minimalist way, and Nev &Max has been spewed town at some point. It seems to be the safe go to read for everyone.

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Then why do they allegedly have the most votes? I don't see the davesaz townread but I seem to always scumread them.

~ C

Umm.....I'm gonna.....not answer that.

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I had wanted to talk about something that I felt was semi-important but I forgot earlier so here we go.

I don't think Alonzo is necessarily scummy for wanting to end the day @ p30. Like, he seems genuine that he's just behind but the stopping the thread a little prematurely is nearsighted.

I think artificially extending the day beyond useful discussion is p anti-town but as long as it's fruitful it's not much of a big deal. I think the strength of this mechanic is that we can vote the scum without them knowing we are voting them...unless we say so. The only minor drawback is we can't really coordinate a lynch. I could do unofficial vote counts if we wanted to do them or we could just vote whomever in our threads and just see how that works.

I agree with this actually. I know I'm going to get scumread for saying we should use day 1 as a test day. I think in regards to how we want to handle votes/votecounts it should be a test day.

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Was also wondering if there was any benefit to breaking the list into groups represented by 1 vote each, so that scum can't just voteload who they want come EoD.

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I agree with this actually. I know I'm going to get scumread for saying we should use day 1 as a test day. I think in regards to how we want to handle votes/votecounts it should be a test day.

Why do you care about being scumread?

~ C

The rest of the sentence goes "but we should use it as a test day" but I think I spliced sentences somewhere.

If I really cared I wouldn't have posted it.

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The correct question was "RCE, why do you think you'll get scum read.?" Yours was silly Cheeky

Because people are enjoying being hung up on word choice....

[RCEnigma]

Day 1 has begun!!

Day 1 Representatives

These 4 people will be responsible for ending the day phase. They just have to vote to end the day. When 3 of the 4 of them do, the day will end, or whenever the countdown times out. Plurality Lynch Rule applies, meaning whoever has the most votes at the end of the day, will be the lynch. You will vote within your private thread. Good luck, and have fun.

Emperor flippyNips
Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm

(expired on 2018-12-28 18:00:00) on December 28th, 2018.

This thread says the people "JUST" have to vote to end the day. I assume they don't know who we are all voting for

i.e. they can't say like, "between the 4 of us we can see profii is the leading wagon rn and he would be a good lynch so lets end the day"

some people are assuming that Alonzo VC was legit and I don't know if that's because they weren't on it so don't know any better or are they just playing along with random hypothetical scenarios

:S

I assumed people were just playing along with Alonzo's votecounts post but cheekys response to it is kinda ehhhh.

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Or at the very least were voting Nev and assumed the VC to be correct. The rest at least know who they are voting if at all.

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That interaction between Nero/RCE read like RCE could have reacted to Nero's dayvig in any way and Nero would still scumread him for it.

This is likely true. However you can't read Nero based on his read of me. He's just going to scumread me if we are in a game together so it's nai.

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Nero and RCE are either of you TRing Ramcius?

~ C

no, he's done shit all. Maybe I'll have something later to read him on.

he asks how it's scummy then calls RCE scummy later

no, I didn't. I called his reaction to my fake dayvig kinda scummy and then Drew asked why and then I explained why I felt the way I did.

For posterity what is a non scummy reaction to a fake dayvig you know is fake?

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Tlk hasn't been back and is my only strong scumread. The bunch of slots dicking around and then scumreading the other slots dicking around for dicking around is annoying but nai for now.

Elsa's get Bef lynched schtick is already old. I encourage slots to continue scumreading me without engaging me or asking my views, specifically my reasoning for townreading BEF.

The exceptions are Nero who has engaged me in a way that I find kind of townie, and cheeky who hasn't expressed a scumread on me, though I feel she is trending that way. She's at least trying to get her scumreads views of the game.

Other townie slots:

I like McQueen, Alonzo, warming up to Almost Chara, Nev is probably spewed town like I said before, and Bef is town.

Liked Ramcius for town early but that dropped some pages agk for reasons I can't recall at the moment but I'll iso to figure it out later.

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I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

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I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

I don't like it, that doesn't necessarily mean scummy. Not everything you disagree with is scummy.

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I don't have a read on Elsa. I don't know their style and I have only been in one game where they replaced into an IC role. Though the game was pretty much over.

So Elsa hindering our progress with her schticks isn't an issue to you, dully noted

I don't like it, that doesn't necessarily mean scummy. Not everything you disagree with is scummy.

I don't say it's scummy, I don't see town motivation behind Elsa's actions

who you want lynch today and why?

TLK cuz scum
Profii probably, doesn't seem townie to me this game.
???
Win game.

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Don't like drewva or Nev (max is pretty irrelevant tbh) as lynches today. Overall though I don't have good scumreads and it's not even that there are a ton of people being town.

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Profii probably, doesn't seem townie to me this game.

how do you yardstick your profii read?

Dunno what this means?
You want an approximate read or??

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You said this game, implying you have previous with profii, and some sort of metric on how you form a read on him.

How did you reach scum! Profii?

Ahh yes I do. Profii is a more vocal/involved player as town in my opinion. He's been present sure but his early game consisted of recommending ways to bring a votecount in that just seemed of to me for a few reasons:

1.) This setup disadvantages town due to the lack of votecount but I would argue it disadvantages Scum even more which leads to point #

2.) A votecount would be nice to have but not necessary. Town can likely coordinate without it. With it present it makes it easier for scum to spread their votes and town blend or throw of votecounts. Which is unfortunate because I think Profii is strong at VCA but not a part of my scum read. Overall I think scum can't afford to look too coordinated or they risk sticking out and that kind of weakens their sway on lynches.

I also don't buy Nero's demeanor being a surprise to Profii and read it as a soft defense of myself or Cheeky, that in itself is minor. But the way Profii came back to that specifically rubs me wrong. I don't get why he would be hung up on it when he's generally a player with a broader sense of the game and the slots around him.

Thank you for asking about my read Alonzo.

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Elsa called me a friend uwu.

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Hmm, I have reason to believe drewva pulled scum.

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

This is RCE scum reading DrewVa based on a quote from a different game. RCE based this off of a rule slip only scum would know.

Maybe not scum, but she isn't town.

*They say in a game confirmed to not have Multiball and hinted on page 1 to possibly have 5 scum.*

I would have had to read the rules to know that.

And then claimed not to have read the rules to begin with. Could be playing coy, but it seems like a tonal slip to me.

I'm not scumreading drewva. I'm semi-content with what I got out of it. I like Bef pushing there even if it was based on miscommunication. They are both just town here Imo.

Now, unless this is based on a discussion about the ruleslip in question, RCEnigma abandons the DrewVa non-town read with little clarification. Please expand on this if you like, but in your ISO I was unable to find good reason for this change in allegiance.

No it's a combination of the omgus read, presenting scumreads on myself and bef as serious reads then backing off when Bef gained support (or at least townreads), and then reverting back to "none of that is serious I'm still RVSing".

It all wreaks of cautious scum and I'm calling back on it.

This is RCEnigma accusing me of what I identified above as a very similar series of actions. Either he is a hypocrite or is scum himself.

I have already explained why I changed views on BEF (me not liking the semantic approach but also finding it too specific to be fake). Would you mind going into detail as to why you read me as scum other than your own "omgus" argument against me?

I had wanted to talk about something that I felt was semi-important but I forgot earlier so here we go.

I don't think Alonzo is necessarily scummy for wanting to end the day @ p30. Like, he seems genuine that he's just behind but the stopping the thread a little prematurely is nearsighted.

I think artificially extending the day beyond useful discussion is p anti-town but as long as it's fruitful it's not much of a big deal. I think the strength of this mechanic is that we can vote the scum without them knowing we are voting them...unless we say so. The only minor drawback is we can't really coordinate a lynch. I could do unofficial vote counts if we wanted to do them or we could just vote whomever in our threads and just see how that works.

I agree with this actually. I know I'm going to get scumread for saying we should use day 1 as a test day. I think in regards to how we want to handle votes/votecounts it should be a test day.

And then this statement basically agrees with all of my own points about who I have decided to vote for so far.

Now, don't go saying that me defending myself is inherently scummy here...

How is it a slip only scum would know if it was based on towns wincon?

Sure not reading the rules is a tonal slip, whatever that is.
Bef pushing got drewva to town tell when my approach couldn't. Why is that still an issue you for you 20+ pages later?

Based on the 1 post since the last time I gave the read, to which you only responded to one part of the read conveniently. Sure when I've got a bit of time.

The misrepping is still present.

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Because if you voted day 2 or 3 IRL and it pops up to show that with the timestamp, clearly something was up. Obviously an exaggeration, but seeing who voted first reveals an agenda a bit. Or it shows you are very stubborn.

So...either/or. Which is NAI...

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Yeah, I said RCE was more likely to be scum earlier because I liked TLK more at that time, but considering he ignored Ramcius point blank saying he was trying to lynch me, and he is trying to guide the lynch, he may possibly be partners with Ramcius.

Clearly you all don't like the idea of someone only having 2/3 votes dying, so lets bring up TLK and RCE again.

TLK literally scrounging for the votes is a way for scum to reestablish controll and take out the factor of the game that scare them.

I have a post on this idea but it's a wall that's been passed over, but yeah I agree and this page bumped Elsa towards town for me.

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The more people pile onto myself and Bef vaguely, the townier Neri becomes by proxy.

[RCEnigma]

Nero*

Add Nero and Elsa to my townlist.

[RCEnigma]

You have a specific tell in your attitude when someone is scumreading you and I couldn't push you to that point. At least I think.

[RCEnigma]

You would be at the bottom of the list of people I would pocket. I just find the people that piled onto your read of me are scummier. Which makes you less likely to be scum having them tagteam your read and more likely town with a read that scum wanted to take advantage of.

[RCEnigma]

/in dis shit

Feel free to give this guy a lot of crap in game. He’s my noob friend. (He’s pretty good at mafia, just never played forum mafia.

In order to teach the ways of Forum Mafia to Mister Boon's friend, clearly the best course of action is to lynch him day 1 as a lesson in what NOT to do here.

Deus Vult.

[RCEnigma]

How do you explain him being so agreeable with the unknown part but pushing back against me for trying to make him use common sense to assume Ramcius was voting me?

I was being kinda snarky because i saw on TLKs update that Ram was on Karm. Tin foil hat theory, what if TLK knew Rams vote wasnt on you?

Well Ram explicitly said he was focusing on scum over lynching Elsa, he just wanted Elsa dead. Therefore you can assume Ram moved his vote.

[RCEnigma]

Emperor flippyNips
• Alonzo
Mcqueen
Xtoxm
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Tlk is still a good vote.

[RCEnigma]

Fish is 35 and chiseled like a Greek god, I'v still no idea where 99 came from =P

I'm 99 in Fish years......

I think scum is involved with this whole unofficial VC agenda. I'll get caught up and give more thoughts on that matter today.

Keep buttering me up.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not caught up at all, getting kind of drowned out tbh. Can you explain the karmeleon read drewva? Also are those Hydra reads or Nancy reads?

[RCEnigma]

Townreads are BEF, drewva, Elsa, Nero, nev, Alonzo, McQueen, almost Chara lightly. Fine shooting anyone else. Who all are currently townreading Profii?

[RCEnigma]

Still don't like TLK's VC it's busy work and I'm not a fan.

[RCEnigma]

The pushes that claimed to vote tlk we're very apathetic or based on me vs him. Which is weak imo, as opposed to reading him on what he is doing. So idk I don't think he's lynchbaity. I didn't know he was a new player till you or Elsa quoted boonskies on it so that kind of changed my perspective on our early interactions but doesn't reconcile my issues with his later play.

[RCEnigma]

Don't know if confessionals are quotable but I've been using mine to gather my thoughts and the lurkers was one of them. The chance scum is in there is pretty good but being so close to the holidays it's not going to be my day 1 push. After the holidays is another story. Ramcius is leaning town, I don't know how aggressive he is as scum though. Thanos is on the scummy side of null.

[RCEnigma]

It doesn't do anything unless slots openly express they are voting X. So at best it's an inaccurate representation of the gamestate...that's at best. I've expressed why I think votecounts today are an antitown move in the long run though it wasn't acknowledged. Bef said the same recently though which quite a few people agreed with.

[RCEnigma]

Not sure on Nancy's scumgame, I think Dva can be crafty scum. Nancy does bleed town given the right conditions and agree with cheeky that Nancy is not a good target for scum to try and isolate.

[RCEnigma]

Fwiw I'm not currently voting tlk but that doesn't mean he's moved out of my scumlist.

[RCEnigma]

I know this game is tough but I don’t think we need to stop scum hunting and go for a policy lynch just yeti

I'll also add (or re-iterate) that it's pretty damn beneficial for scum to lurk here, since posting naturally potentially attracts votes. Plus it's harder to hold them accountable for their vote.

~A

Not game specific, this is the case in any mafia game. It's also right around the corner from Xmas and isn't the place I would expect a scumhunt should originate.

[RCEnigma]

I don't have a read on ultimate liars. I have a lot of null slots and can't read all the pages so it will probably stay that way till the list thinks out.

[RCEnigma]

You also keep scumcasing me every game if I do not townread you immediately which has also gotten quite dull

Don't want to be scumread for being wrong? Then stop expecting me to always townread you when you are unwilling to commit to good reads

There's a difference between "good" and "correct" -- even if my early townlean based on a townslip was "correct", it was nowhere near to "good". No good player commits to those.

You're shifting the goalposts. Also, no, I don't scumcase you because you don't townread me.

~A

I didn't want to read Nancy's 1v1 but it's really the only thing going on. Thanos you won't be objective since you are involved but this interaction string specifically makes you look awful.

But it is mentioned in the setup, so the read should be more nuanced, like could they tell, if we made the “townslip” by play or is the townread solely based on just mechanics?

It's mentioned in the setup and yet DVa didn't know that.
It's likelier for town in this scenario not to have read the setup properly and not know that public votes aren't counted.
It's less likely for scum to not know, IMO -- Making your slot likely town.

This is an early read, subject to change if there's stronger evidence.

~Auro

Your assumption that not reading the game post is towny is unfounded.

It's a bit more nuanced than that.
Not reading the game post isn't inherently towny, I agree.
Scum would have more likely been aware of some of the important mechanics, private votes being one.
Therefore if a slot wasn't aware of that mechanic, it's likelier town than scum.
And at an early stage, fine to toss into a town pool.

Show me, specifically where I ever began with a townread. I was always scumleaning your slot and even more so now, but the reason I didn't want to VOTE you was because there were other people better at reading your slot, and I reasoned you'd sort yourself over time.

I don't care about my abilities at reading you at the moment. Stop the whole "townread me or you're scum" thing.

~A

The whole attempt to discredit Nancy's reasoning instead of pointing out what makes it wrong and why it makes you town is scummy.

Attempting to call her out on lying about your own read is just bad. Doubling down when she provides evidence you did in fact townlean her slot is worse. Backing it up when questioned on it initially and then chastising Nancy because it was just an early read is escargot slimey.

Are your reads arbitrary and we should just not listen to them anyways?

[RCEnigma]

Even just running though the iso it's weird. You guys picked this minor thing to challenge drewva on, prefaced a drewva read with her push on ramcius, and the rest is 1v1 cluttering the thread.

On one hand I understand disengaging from drewva is tough in itself. On the other it's a distraction in a 20 whatever person game.

[RCEnigma]

Don't think Gamma is that bad as scum, you gotta come with something more concrete than that.

[RCEnigma]

I can't account for how he Interprets information.

[RCEnigma]

Who has Gamma had meaningful interaction with?

Let’s refrain from even mentioning any posts referencing ongoing games, or any posts referencing another post that referenced an ongoing game. Move on from that.

Don't think Gamma is that bad as scum, you gotta come with something more concrete than that.

Is how bad?

Kneejerk voting ramcius to start a counterwagon against your new partner bad. As Ramcius claims.

[RCEnigma]

I wanna be the President.

I wanna be a millionaire, so freakin bad.

[RCEnigma]

Drewva you are clearly voting thanos despite saying you're unsure who to vote. You've got to be kidding me. This is according to pg 69 vc from TLK.
Also, I dread winter too. The people who advertise it as one of the or the happiest time of the year, I never believe it .

TLK, I think it's alright if you cant update anymore until 12/28 deadline. Not much happening anyway, unfortunately.

Vote stays on alonzo as his posts keep up with continued nonsense about us. I don't hide as any alignment, and my partner doesn't either afaik.

I'm reading thanos v drewva interaction on pg 66 as TvS, in that order. However, knowing both of them can be very verbose and ultra conniving, I wouldn't rule out SvS. Leaning TvS rn , however.

Feeling like GE & Ramicus are probably town for their posts about drewva and alonzo.

PenguinPower, man....are you town

AC, where have you gone??

~ P

It's almost like the votecount isn't actually useful.

[RCEnigma]

i said i was voting Theta Alpine, the votecount missed it.
it's fine.
if anyone's still saying that's scum busywork they can fight me when i'm back on christmas day. that's a lame argument. it's a neutral action.
~Chara

Agreed it's a neutral action that doesn't serve the town. And basing townreads off of it is asinine.

[RCEnigma]

It's not completely asinine, if you had a good argument for it. If you don't have a better reason than "he's doing something that helps town" then it's certainly incredibly shallow.

Who based a townread on it?

Just recently Thanos. It doesn't help town, I've already made the argument on why I think it helps scum more and no one has been able to tell why that isn't the case or isn't true. I've kept my eye on it and not commented but it still rubs me the wrong way that TLK picked this up after getting a small amount of pressure to substitute scumhunting.

[RCEnigma]

Elsa is my first townread
Page 37. Not bad

@knight, pls change not voting category to unknown. You are putting fake claims in everyone's mouth. Thanx.

Why is she a townread of yours? Over the last few pages I've been reading, I still don't like her play.

For example, she claims Ram to have his vote on her, but won't reveal her own vote. It's not actually hypocritical, but it's pretty close

I understand we have the right to keep our vote hidden if we choose, but when a large group within the playerbase agrees to out their votes, it just makes you look scummy not to cooperate

I don't want to out my vote either, I've even said it's moved off of TLK awhile ago even though I still scumread him. I happen to townread Elsa at the moment as well. Is there a reason you are reading me differently than Elsa besides my scumread on Profii?

[RCEnigma]

At first, I was like an SS claim makes no sense in this setup (and thus was a gambit) but then I remembered that Boon said there's be timestamps and that being how hammer is decided makes some sense to me. If we really wanted to use him as a double lynch we can have like the people we want dead to vote TLK and everyone else unvote as so not to prevent a TLK lynch.

Scum just have to unvote if they are on the wagon and get another Lynch instead.

Couple mechanical questions for the situation.

If TLK is the Lynch should the rest of the slots unvote to avoid a plurality Lynch on someone else?

Does that ruin the point of keeping votes hidden since it will be manipulated day 1?

I think that's kind of a short term gain long term loss.

[RCEnigma]

At first, I was like an SS claim makes no sense in this setup (and thus was a gambit) but then I remembered that Boon said there's be timestamps and that being how hammer is decided makes some sense to me. If we really wanted to use him as a double lynch we can have like the people we want dead to vote TLK and everyone else unvote as so not to prevent a TLK lynch.

Scum just have to unvote if they are on the wagon and get another Lynch instead.

Couple mechanical questions for the situation.

If TLK is the Lynch should the rest of the slots unvote to avoid a plurality Lynch on someone else?

Does that ruin the point of keeping votes hidden since it will be manipulated day 1?

I think that's kind of a short term gain long term loss.

[RCEnigma]

Sorry about that. Also Ramcius moved up to town.

[RCEnigma]

Does that ruin the point of keeping votes hidden since it will be manipulated day 1?

y do you care if the hidden votes are not hidden?

like if we are lynching TLK then we just say X, Y, Z votes him and if they aren't we lynch there.

Also, remember that the wagon will be public in the end.

There's a fair bit that could go wrong with it. Thinking about associations that will be important when town turns on itself which is more likely than not. It's just Information that I think is good for town that we are going to end up nullifying.

[RCEnigma]

At first, I was like an SS claim makes no sense in this setup (and thus was a gambit) but then I remembered that Boon said there's be timestamps and that being how hammer is decided makes some sense to me. If we really wanted to use him as a double lynch we can have like the people we want dead to vote TLK and everyone else unvote as so not to prevent a TLK lynch.

Scum just have to unvote if they are on the wagon and get another Lynch instead.

Couple mechanical questions for the situation.

If TLK is the Lynch should the rest of the slots unvote to avoid a plurality Lynch on someone else?

Does that ruin the point of keeping votes hidden since it will be manipulated day 1?

I think that's kind of a short term gain long term loss.

theres for sure important mechanical strategy discussion to be had about this
but i dont think we need to start it on d1 with 23 players still alive

This is about the day 1 Lynch specifically....... But ok?

[RCEnigma]

Can we get a consensus on if we are lynching SS before we end the day? Pls ty. I've only skimmed the past 5 pages or so but no one's talking about the important thing for day one.

Think the hammers should be one of the emperors, ramcius, thanos, or like....theta. *don't think ramcius is scum tbh but that's probably one of the d1 kills that would give the most information.

Elsa shoot Profii and I'll bring a cake for the queen.

[RCEnigma]

SS as in supersaint. Don't have a read on something smart, I think like one comment pinged scummy but not enough to care.

[RCEnigma]

Xtoxm can be scum.

~ C

Profii can live today.

~ C

EFN looks like a lurker lynch. Didn't see anything AI there.
ENG is town.

~ C

Planning to explain any of these reads?

Loading bullet...

Aiming at cheeky..

Maybe I can hit cheeky and Profii with a two for one.

[RCEnigma]

Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol

And ftr my vote is still on Elsa

See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.

Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.

Profii is a mighty fine choice.

[RCEnigma]

Not a fan of CD's later posts but I feel more confident on Profii being scum.

[RCEnigma]

Actually gonna read 66*-82 tmrw. I need sleep. Lol

And ftr my vote is still on Elsa

See, this is Elsa like every game. So, ENG did incorrectly assume we tr Nero for that early post but yeah I misunderstood the “butthurt” thing, so ENG is off the table then. So, currently choosing between our current vote, Profil and CD then, or not voting. When there are no VCs and there aren’t since TLK stopped posting them. it’s not exactly easy coming up with a vote.

Please advise us then - if the day hasn’t ended yet, I don’t want to sheep you on Elsa. I didn’t care for Theta’s policy lynch post but DVa’s fine with it, so maybe Profil? I rarely have strong srs on D1, I usually just vote one of the main wagons, except here, I have no clue what they are.

Profii is a mighty fine choice.

I wanted to say this in response to DrewVa, but I wanted them to form their own conclusions.

Also, don’t exactly like how RCE just pops in and says this

Well most people are probably set In their votes and aren't going to have revelations last second. So if I can swing someone onto my scumread then the reasoning can wait till tomorrow. Or the case I mean, whichever.

Also we were pretty productive as a unit. This was good. Alonzo is town.

[RCEnigma]

do you suppose that scum who participate in boonus rounds do or don't get scumchat?

I tried to get some chat going in our room last night (assuming town had been given free night chat essentially) Nancy was very closed about giving any reads away, and as I mentioned just went offline for ten hours having voted for a compromise.

No interest in talking shop at all...

Pedit.. and yeah the way its been claimed today rooms A(bef/alonzo/nancy) and C (gamma +2) got used overnight.
Did room B see any action?

The slip is weak but could go either way I guess. But this is the best case for suspicious Drewva. Especially post flip with Alonzo pushing emperor. TLK is another slot I'll push out of Lynch consideration based on his grouping of both emperor slots.

Don't care about theta, don't care to iso them they are a non factor. I don't think it has to be today we Lynch theta, they will always be lynchable.

I wasn't included in the boonus round, looks like McQueen wasn't either and I would definitely like to use the opportunity to use a nightchat. Is the thread locked once a winner(s) is announced? Is a winner announced only at the end of the night phase?

[RCEnigma]

It sounds like a commuter and likely 1 shot.

[RCEnigma]

StickyFruit VendorCredit: Boonskiies
Spoiler:
At night, you will give your target a "Sticky Fruit". They will be informed that they have received a Sticky Fruit, but not who they received it from, nor what it does. They will only be informed that they may pass it along the following night. Any player given a Sticky Fruit will be immune to all actions, EXCEPT for killing actions, the night they receive the fruit.

[RCEnigma]

Sticky fruit vendor takes the BoonBank slot.

[RCEnigma]

It sounds like a commuter and likely 1 shot.

It depends if the prize was just directed to the recipient or ALL night actions.

The prize is likely a modifier or X-shot of an existing role. Commuter is not a global ability if that's what you are getting at.

[RCEnigma]

@thanos: are those only for N2? Those seem EXTREMELY powerful if they last the entire game

The room is locked and disappeared now but I think they are permanent. Like for the entire game. Because only the prize with the neighbor specifically said "1 shot"

As in you only get 1 shot to set up a neighborhood and have private communication with a player of your choosing. The other two prizes (immune to night actions and immune to tracking) didn't say 1 shot. So must be permanent.

Well that's troubling, unlimited commuting scum is dangerous.

[RCEnigma]

tbh, I want all of my posts to talk about how DrewVa is scum and I want all of you to go and faith and believe me but I do feel DrewVa's day will come, the sooner the better... but to progress the game because there are other scum out there I was wondering:

Do you feel we benefited from the hidden votes on D1 and should we continue with hidden votes today and wait for the flip to see the votes or should we all be more transparent today?

No faith needed. I think the hidden votes helped a lot. I feel someone unintentionally bussed.

One one hand - I had no inkling EFN was going to be lynched - I had no feeling that he was getting votes - saying that - DrewVa said she kept it quiet and I was in a daze for most of the day-phase

On the other hand - I don’t see why scum would do this because of plurality but I guess given my perception that EFN want in danger maybe they were rigging the VCA


I think this doesn’t say much right now but a good book mark for reflection later - there is probably shenanigans afoot

About where I'm at. Wasn't around for the flip onto EFN and.....I was disappointed it wasn't Profii but his claim is townish and he's given considerably more to town today than yesterday so I'm ok with him.

My town pool is however too large to be accurate. TLK, Alonzo, and Profii are the only ones off the table. I'm sticking to Nero and Bef as town as well. The rest are swayable though.

[RCEnigma]

If we assume that there only 5 scum (maybe 6, if 5 scumteam + traitor), we have huge number advantage, so rewards in BOONus rounds being not so useful for town is something reasonable

BOONus round reminds me a bit of Heroes in that respect, except on some days, all abilities were either pro-town or scum and on others, varying degrees of mixed.

yeah this does feel similar, but with a base level of power for everyone it seems
what I'm questioning is how TLK has a passive role when the setup doesn't seem like that's something meant to be started with

Weird place to shade TLK after the fact.

The available roles are literally on the front page and super Saint is one of the possible roles. Other possible passive rules include VT, Friendly neighbor, and neighbor.

[RCEnigma]

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

How do you figure?

Based on the possible ability gained from his boonus round. But the players involved know who won and can. Speculate from there. It's also one slot so the chances of hitting the night action immune slot isn't enough to discount any cop checks.

ENG do you have any townreads? And what is your read on Nero specifically?

[RCEnigma]

I bet in scumchat, they’re calling you, “Santa”.

How would you know if I'm in scum chat or not? Perhaps because you have access to it.

***This is the time where I would usually fake a guilty claim on DrewVa.

OK this post is just gross in general, no real defense, just deflecting and tying himself to someone else.
VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Tell me, how would you defend that?
Really look at what DrewVa says: by saying Scum is calling me "Santa" in their PT, then I must not be a part of the Scum PT and that puts me in the town pile.

This isn't the only town speed statement from Drewva, just saying.

[RCEnigma]

Ebwop: spewed*

[RCEnigma]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

Ehhh not buying what you're selling Elsa.

[RCEnigma]

It's testable but not until night 4.

[RCEnigma]

Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.

How do you figure?

Based on the possible ability gained from his boonus round. But the players involved know who won and can. Speculate from there. It's also one slot so the chances of hitting the night action immune slot isn't enough to discount any cop checks.

ENG do you have any townreads? And what is your read on Nero specifically?

Wasn't really wanting you to answer that. It was specifically directed at Thanos but...ok. Your explanation doesn't clear up why no one can be town confirmed. It explains why a cop possibly wouldn't get results...

I have townreads.

Why do you care about my read on Nero?

I explained their view and why I disagree, they can still answer.

Yes, those would be?

Nero was the only slot I really remember you giving any input on and even that was wishy washy. Therefore I want to know if your interest in Nero was to form a read or if you just interjected to save face.

[RCEnigma]

Ehhh not buying what you're selling Elsa.

Selectable lying and truth-telling is a fun concept, isn't it?

Also, I feel like no discussion was put into who voted who on the last VC. So let's go back and discuss that.

An art you might say.

What are your thoughts on the VC?

[RCEnigma]

Yes, those would be?

You'll see.

Nero was the only slot I really remember you giving any input on and even that was wishy washy. Therefore I want to know if your interest in Nero was to form a read or if you just interjected to save face.

Almost like we didn't have strong reads D1...shocker. Ari can give you more on that particular read if he wants to.

But you have those reads now. Interesting, tell me more.

[RCEnigma]

Day 1 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Emperor flippyNips [4]: - Alonzo [12/26, 18:53], DrewVa [12/27, 17:01], Xtoxm [12/28, 16:53], Cheeky Dancer [12/28, 17:48] ------ [LYNCH]
The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon [12/19, 08:19], Emperors New Groove [12/24, 08:34], Ramcius [12/24, 11:45]
Theta Alpine[3]: - Almost Chara [12/27, 14:50], Elsa Jay [12/28, 17:41], The Last Knight [12/28, 17:35]
Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) [2]: - davesaz [12/18, 08:56], Thanos [12/22, 12:53]
Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa) [2]: - Ultimate Liars [12/15, 22:02], BrightEyedFish [12/28, 00:23]
Ramcius [2]: - Gamma Emerald [12/19, 12:37], Nero Cain [12/27, 14:52]
Profii [1]: - RCEnigma [12/20, 17:19],
BrightEyedFish [1]: - Nev and max [12/16, 16:58]
RCEnigma [1]: - Theta Alpine [12/18, 07:59]
Elsa Jay [1]: - Profii [12/28, 17:01]

Not Voting [1]: Emperor flippyNips

Good Idea, I will quote it here so we don't have to keep searching back all the time.

It's interesting the EFN wagon was all in the last few days of D1

I think Ramcius vote on TLK is interesting and only comes from scum if TLK is a partner fake claiming. I do however recall Ramcius claiming his vote on Elsa but don't recall if it was before or after the 24th.

[RCEnigma]

No.

Cool good talk.

[RCEnigma]

Day 1 Vote Count
The time is based off of California time, or -8:00, month first, then day.

Emperor flippyNips [4]: - Alonzo [12/26, 18:53], DrewVa [12/27, 17:01], Xtoxm [12/28, 16:53], Cheeky Dancer [12/28, 17:48] ------ [LYNCH]
The Last Knight [3]: - Karmeleon [12/19, 08:19], Emperors New Groove [12/24, 08:34], Ramcius [12/24, 11:45]
Theta Alpine[3]: - Almost Chara [12/27, 14:50], Elsa Jay [12/28, 17:41], The Last Knight [12/28, 17:35]
Ultimate Liars (Kokichi Oma/Hebichan) [2]: - davesaz [12/18, 08:56], Thanos [12/22, 12:53]
Xtoxm [2]: - Mcqueen [12/28, 16:08], Something_Smart [12/28, 16:09]
DrewVa (Nancy Drew 39/DVa) [2]: - Ultimate Liars [12/15, 22:02], BrightEyedFish [12/28, 00:23]
Ramcius [2]: - Gamma Emerald [12/19, 12:37], Nero Cain [12/27, 14:52]
Profii [1]: - RCEnigma [12/20, 17:19],
BrightEyedFish [1]: - Nev and max [12/16, 16:58]
RCEnigma [1]: - Theta Alpine [12/18, 07:59]
Elsa Jay [1]: - Profii [12/28, 17:01]

Not Voting [1]: Emperor flippyNips

Good Idea, I will quote it here so we don't have to keep searching back all the time.

It's interesting the EFN wagon was all in the last few days of D1

I think Ramcius vote on TLK is interesting and only comes from scum if TLK is a partner fake claiming. I do however recall Ramcius claiming his vote on Elsa but don't recall if it was before or after the 24th.

Mistake, I was thinking of McQueen.

[RCEnigma]

Frohes neues jahr Bef!

[RCEnigma]

You know what is annoying and not contributing? Half of this playerlist a 96 page d1 where we argued over grammatical semantics among other stupid shit.

Are your Jimmie's rustled?

You're in that half btw

I'm fully aware. And like I said, a 96 page argument over the definition of words isn't something I want to fill my time with. Maybe we can avoid that stupid shit on day 2 and we can see higher participation. If anyone brings up there, their and they're I'm going to lose my shit.

They were a small portion of day 1's discussion and were arguably good reference points to pull reads from. Is it just not your cup of tea? Do you plan on steering the town since you didn't like the direction it went?

I don't see the merit in complaining about it now when it isn't relevant now.

[RCEnigma]

Agree large games are a monster to keep track of.

[RCEnigma]

Agree large games are a monster to keep track of.

If you agree why do I feel some shade coming my way from you?

It doesn't really have anything to do with the previous post.

[RCEnigma]

Last Night Tomorrow FACTS!!!

Did you know...that the Mafia Team has an additional factional ability that allows them the opportunity to pick one of themselves as a Day Rep? They don't have to use this ability, but starting Night 1, it definitely became available!

Since scum aren't multitask does this take the place of a role ability when used?

[RCEnigma]

It gains scum utility the later the game gets I think. Really the only thing I see getting a day rep would be good for is to blitz one of the days. Secure the win maybe? Or essentially force a lolhammer out of town.

[RCEnigma]

Are we assuming the original day reps were chosen at random?

[RCEnigma]

In a Mylo situation yes you very well could. I'm saying I don't see a ton of use outside of long gaming it.

[RCEnigma]

Most slots are going to assume winners become day reps but what happens if it's an alternating pattern?

[RCEnigma]

Oh you may be right actually.

[RCEnigma]

So of the original day reps only Alonzo participated in a boonus round. We did Lynch one if the day reps so that could change things.

All but 1 day rep on day 2 participated in the boonus round, all of these were also winners of their respective games.

Does the theory winners become reps hold up as the playerlist shrinks? Once we get down to 12 only two boonus games will be played. Does that mean there will be a decrease in day reps as well? If not, how would the other day reps be chosen?

[RCEnigma]

I misread then, I thought 18-13 would be 3 rounds. 12-7, 2 games. Etc.

[RCEnigma]

Which is why I don't put much stock into who AC was townreading or scumreading. Scum likely don't care about that in a night 1 kill if it doesn't prove or disprove anything.

[RCEnigma]

Ram you are one voice out of more than 20. A lot of us have played together over a number of years. Sometimes your voice just isn't heard. If you aren't enjoying playing, then replace out. If you feel like you aren't being heard make a case. If no one listens move on to the next person. We lynched 1 scumbag out of 5-6, which means we have 4-5 left out there.

Don't get tunneled to deep on one person that you become a target for scum for a mislynch. Work with town to take out the scumbags that aren't him for right now and then revisit TLK.

See, that's the problem, I don't care about scum numbers, we can lynch all scum but one and lose to that last scum. I have other scumreads, yes, but I don't think they would be easier to lynch. People aren't proposing other good lynches - Theta is just a lurker, and me being ML'ed for unlucky rand would be funny, but not really helpful to town.

I'd go for DrewVa and prob Mcqueen today, but TLK is my prime target for associations

And why would you go for me exactly?

What are the TLK associations?

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Ram is obv town because he clearly doesn't care about dying - the only world where it would make sense for him to vote a potential Saint as scum is to be scum with him and think the wagon isn't going through. There's probably value in looking back at who wanted TLK dead until their claim.

~ C

This is what I was saying. Beyond that though, all of his reads are based on omgus and all hinge on Gamma being scum. I think he's linking things that may or may not be there to support his read in a way that's sloppy but not slimy, if that makes sense.

[RCEnigma]

Possibly, is the factional ability from scum one shot or can they nominate a day rep as they see fit?

[RCEnigma]

At bottom of 113.

First why all the speculation that winning BOONus rounds has anything to do with next day reps, and then furthermore why does the day rep who didn't win a BOONus round need to be the scum of the group if there is one?

If Ram is town, someone pushing Ram as the scum dayrep (if there is one) is trying to deflect suspicion from the actual scum among the dayreps, if any.

It's all an IF kind of situation. Because IF day reps are chosen based on boonus round winners then one of the winners was booted as a rep by a scum nomination (Ram in this case).

That doesn't clear any of the other day reps btw. Any of them could be scum. No one was told the method day reps would be chosen therefore scum wouldn't know who day reps would be before making a nomination.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think the method would have anything to do with confessional threads as there isn't anything that can be apparent from that.

[RCEnigma]

You guys can quit trying to get PP to conform to your approved style of play. If you took a moment to meta check him or Ari you'd know being a lurk lazy sack is mostly NAI. The amount of activity today from PP says they're town.

~ C

Why would activity be town indicative then?

[RCEnigma]

You guys can quit trying to get PP to conform to your approved style of play. If you took a moment to meta check him or Ari you'd know being a lurk lazy sack is mostly NAI. The amount of activity today from PP says they're town.

~ C

Why would activity be town indicative then?

Are you OMGUSing?

You or PP? Just not understanding why being active can't be indicative of scum if lurking isn't specifically his Scum meta.

I would probably scumread Ari early regardless but I haven't played with PP.

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RCE what are your thoughts on SS, McQueen and Thanos? Did you pay much attention to the Drewva/Thanos 1v1?

I wanted to call McQueen town day one but probably because of his soft defense on me when I started getting scumreads, kind of felt against the grain but he's not off the table for me, I don't outright scumread him.

SS I don't find town or scummy, if he's the Lynch fine. You guys will get more out of it than I will but I'm not the only one playing so.

I try to stay away from Drewva's 1v1's I think they can come from either alignment. That is Nancy's go to however and if she's town it kind of bleeds through. I think Auro or Lamees would know that so imo if one is scum so is the other.

I kind of townread drewva so thanos can be light town by extension. Based on the 1v1.

He's also throwing out wild ideas that are more likely town spitballing than scum pushing a direction.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not, I think dreva is more likely town than thanos though. One of the slots that jumped on Profii likely has scum within them but slots I don't want lynched today are Alonzo, tlk, Profii, Elsa, Bef, drewva, nero, ram. I really like cheekys day 2 we have a lot of similar thoughts.

Not reading theta, eng, Kokichi town but I'm fine lynching McQueen ss or thanos as well. Thanos would probably be a good information lynch.

Ram and Elsa resolve tomorrow (I'm aware Elsa's claims are fake and he will get heat for it tomorrow.) Gamma is worth looking into as well, he's under the radar in a way that's ping worthy and his vote looks worse with Ramcius holding on the supersaint claim end of day.

[RCEnigma]

i think over half the game have called dave town now and i'd just like to say i have no idea where thats coming from

I'd agree with this.

[RCEnigma]

TLK claiming SS would hinge heavily on there being daychat. SS isn't a role I'd ever encountered outside of forum mafia and I get TLK isn't new to mafia just to the site. But it still feels like a claim that comes from a scum collective rather than TLK just pulling that one out on his own.

Not sure about fakeclaims being provided but wouldn't fake claims be somewhat similar to the role scum has? That would make Scum!TLK like a vengeful mad or something?

[RCEnigma]

The two theories we have right now as to how Ram became a Day Rep is:
1. Scum used their factional ability to place Ram as a day rep.
2. Boon randomly selected him.

So I did have a thought while reading further: what if the number of day reps that can be chosen from BOONus rounds maxes out at 3? So, in this case, the first three winners from groups A and B were chosen and group C got screwed. That would make the 4th slot designated for scum. That way, if they decided not to use it, it is random.

If there is a slot designated for scum it outs them at some point. There would be an out of wack rotation where x slot shows up as a rep more often than they should.

[RCEnigma]

If there is a slot designated for scum it outs them at some point. There would be an out of wack rotation where x slot shows up as a rep more often than they should.

That assumes there are less scum than dayphases-1. Which is highly unlikely given there are vig shots as prizes and whatever else we don't know about yet.

~ C

That also assumes only 1 day rep can be scum at a time.

[RCEnigma]

No no I agree it's not plausible, I was responding to TLKs theory that scum had a designated slot as a day rep before the factional ability.

[RCEnigma]

Cheeky Dancer, davesaz, The Last Knight, Karmeleon, Gamma Emerald, and RCEnigma. Those are the players I'm looking at right now.

Town, town, scum, null, town, scum.

Auro's Day 1 play looks fine to me.

Haven't seen Auro here today.

Ari is going to show up soon. I'm going to bed.

For future reference ENG's reads are:

Town - cheeky, Dave, gamma, Bef, Profii

Scum - McQueen, TLK, RCenigma

Whichever head answered McQueen would probably be the best to get this answer from but why are you so against giving up reads to slots you find null (assuming....since it's not in the ISO....) But give them freely when prodded by a slot you scumread?

Specifically McQueen since you also scumread me but were still bullish about reads you didn't have when I asked.

[RCEnigma]

Davesaz
Ramcius
DrewVa
Karmeleon
If there is a bullet point,
that means they have voted
to end day.

This is a family show fishy!


Is it?

[RCEnigma]

You and TLK can certainly be scum buddies together. Cheeky and I also came to the same conclusion. Why is it an issue now but wasn't when we brought the idea up?

[RCEnigma]

My townread on you hinges almost entirely on TLK being supersaint not your play specifically. It wasn't forgotten immediately because it could still be the case.

[RCEnigma]

Bef brought it up again so....it is.

[RCEnigma]

I've been buddying bef pretty openly from the start so that's not spicy.

[RCEnigma]

Is Elsa claiming traitor or Miller?

[RCEnigma]

....it wasn't intended for Ari to answer. That's the whole reason it was said.

Obfuscating reads and then berating slots for not isoing reads that weren't there (when I asked and Nev after) is scummy or really bad play. Like it's pointless, you aren't James bond and saying the wrong thing gets the world blown up.

But pretending your reads are already apparent when they are sparse even in the ISO is just a way to give less until pressed further unless anyone cares to pick the posts apart.

[RCEnigma]

If you're talking about Elsa's claims she was BS'ing.

[RCEnigma]

Dunno what the activate thing is about.

I've just woken up and have to run so I won't get to this for awhile but. I have in my notes that Elsa is probably a good vote from looking at the votecount. It may also spew Theta town though that probably won't gain traction.

[RCEnigma]

What part of "I'm a miller saccing my life on TLK" did you ignore, RC?

Literally all of it?

[RCEnigma]

Do I doubt Elsa would open wolf like this? Not even a little bit. Especially when it's pretty much been decided TLK isn't being lynched until the day rep theory is proven or disproven.

[RCEnigma]

My votes openly on Elsa, don't buy the Miller claim and looking at the timing of votes on the end of day vote count her vote was changed to There at 5 p.m. 3 hours later was when the day ended and within that window the EFN lynch was solidified. Elsa was active in that window so it's weird to me that Elsa would vote a lurking slot not being talked about much over EFN whom was the topic of conversation at the time. I also don't recall Elsa speaking much on theta around that time but I havent scanned her iso fully around that time. It was just an interaction I made a note of.

It all comes off like Elsa pushing a counterwagon that could easily be explained off due to thetas absence. Tldr;

[RCEnigma]

Well it's better then being REC and going "buh, I think I should waste my vote on Elsa after she put herself in a timer with a Miller claim and is literally trying to die today"

There's always room for something more convenient to pop up when you give yourself time. Also if you're with tlk it doesn't really matter. But what happens if TLK dies?

"I was totally going to sacrifice myself on SS for the town, cuz I'm Miller ya know. But now I guess I can't."

Nevermind you've already fakeclaimed this game which I found sort of pro town initially but coupled with the vote timing it's likely just a scum move.

[RCEnigma]

I'm sticking with my vote on RCEnigma btw.

The UL thing was just saving face then?

[RCEnigma]

Hopefully Elsa or UL/Kokichi.

[RCEnigma]

If your theory holds true then Ram resolves on it's own. So I guess I don't see what the importance of bringing it up was if Ram is going to be the Lynch anyway.

[RCEnigma]

Hopefully Elsa or UL/Kokichi.

I thought Kokichi’s re-entrance in the thread was townie. He made it a point of stating that it was Hebi that voted us, so he isn’t sr us and I think that scum!Kokichi would not hesitate to have jumped on our wagon. So, I’m not currently interested in voting there.

Can you explain the case on Elsa again? Neither DVa or myself have a clue what to make of his recent posting.

It was mostly around the end of day wagon. So Elsa proposed Theta's Lynch end of day. I assume as a policy thing, she only had two posts about theta before her ultimatum of Lynch or Vig shot.

Several slots voiced their willingness to vote there before it ended up on flippy so if any wagon was a counterwagon I would argue it was Theta with votes swinging off of Theta right at the end.

That's what I gathered from the iso and it all focuses on the 28th if anyone else wants to view the context.

The original argument was the timing of Elsa's vote around the discussion of flippy as the Lynch, which she was active for but didn't participate in. I just don't feel all of the mafia were passive in allowing their partner to go down.

I haven't followed anything involving her claims and volunteering to hammer the SS claim comes a day late to be relevant.

[RCEnigma]

Hopefully Elsa or UL/Kokichi.

I thought Kokichi’s re-entrance in the thread was townie. He made it a point of stating that it was Hebi that voted us, so he isn’t sr us and I think that scum!Kokichi would not hesitate to have jumped on our wagon. So, I’m not currently interested in voting there.

Can you explain the case on Elsa again? Neither DVa or myself have a clue what to make of his recent posting.

It was mostly around the end of day wagon. So Elsa proposed Theta's Lynch end of day. I assume as a policy thing, she only had two posts about theta before her ultimatum of Lynch or Vig shot.

Several slots voiced their willingness to vote there before it ended up on flippy so if any wagon was a counterwagon I would argue it was Theta with votes swinging off of Theta right at the end.

That's what I gathered from the iso and it all focuses on the 28th if anyone else wants to view the context.

The original argument was the timing of Elsa's vote around the discussion of flippy as the Lynch, which she was active for but didn't participate in. I just don't feel all of the mafia were passive in allowing their partner to go down.

I haven't followed anything involving her claims and volunteering to hammer the SS claim comes a day late to be relevant.

I feel like I've just had a penny dropping moment

I'm on board with the idea that if people are voting Theta instead of Flippy, that says Theta is town and the voters are scum trying to save flippy...

that's out of {AC / Elsa / TLK }

I hadn't really considered how the AC kill fits into that, because previously I'd considered the lurk wagons, so the pool of UL and Thanos maybe blurred my thinking - however, considering the Theta wagon in isolation, makes me consider the AC kill more carefully - if the logic above is theta is the counter wagon, then the fact that scum killed AC straight after really puts a spotlight on Elsa and/or TLK.

you've got to be pretty confident that either your miller or SS claim is going to WIFOM your way through day 2.

I don't see that coming from TLK on his first game actually.

Elsa - possibly but then again, I've whittled that down to 1 scum-spect quite easily

I've just wifom'd myself out of my own cases on these slots.

Profii noooooo you were almost there!

[RCEnigma]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around AC being the kill because of their scumread on theta. Scum don't really have to frame Theta since they are a likely Lynch as either alignment on activity alone.

[RCEnigma]

Probably means you are today's Lynch then. But I'm fine with Elsa being vigged.

[RCEnigma]

In the oh my God you're scumreading me for plausible reasons kinda way?

[RCEnigma]

More like telling somebody to get vigged on their birthday. You monster.

Oh happy birthday! If you live consider it a surprise.

[RCEnigma]

Long hair, don't care.

[RCEnigma]

Well I have no idea when the deadline is, so that's good. Maybe.

[RCEnigma]

Good thoughts from RCE. This might be the slot I'm most conflicted about.

I get this a lot wether I'm passive, aggressive, or a combination of the two. I think its just me as a person.

[RCEnigma]

Just realized Dave is still in this game... Learn something new every day. Also think the last part of 3815 has some merit, I doubt slots are going to unvote Ramcius and I guess that's fine but if Ram isn't testing the SS claim -- we could vote within that pool. Ram is outed scum in the event that Lynch flips scum OR the day rep theory proves true.

Alternatively this pool would probably be good for a vig target though I'd personally exclude drewva. While I'm on the topic if the vig wants to shoot tonight they should have a pool that town agrees on and not a specific target. However, town has majority so if they aren't at risk of losing the ability It should probably be holstered.

I'm not sure if gifted abilities have to be used the night after received or if they have any stipulations but a vig isn't necessary yet.