Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

[Kaito Momota]

Actually maybe not

[Firebringer]

Okay

[Elsa Jay]

Its always the people with Pokemon avatars that want to fuck me over... That and Pandas.

Hopefully Sheep and Angel2 have more then "WTF happened" too say soon.

[Creature]

Its always the people with Pokemon avatars that want to fuck me over... That and Pandas.

Well, I plan to change my avatar soon (most specifically when I become a listmod if I ever will).

[Elsa Jay]

You don't count. Your different every time I see you. I mean avatar loyalists like McMenno or NotMaf or something.

I see fire bring up this is NAI for Kaito, which sure as heck isn't a reason to townread him. Why do you think the way you do, Creature?

[Creature]

I mean avatar loyalists like McMenno or NotMaf or something.

I am somewhat an avatar loyalist, but I have more than one avatar of my liking.

[Creature]

You don't count. Your different every time I see you. I mean avatar loyalists like McMenno or NotMaf or something.

I see fire bring up this is NAI for Kaito, which sure as heck isn't a reason to townread him. Why do you think the way you do, Creature?

You mean the obvious fakeclaim? It's more that it seems like too obvious I think Dunn would've atleast brought something better, but whatever.

[Chara]

if you're an avatar loyalist, then i am. /s

pedit: even scum Kaito wouldn't have made a claim like that with any expectation it would be anything other than a reaction test.
there's a part of me that wants to wait on flipping Kaito until Maki is resolved, but it's also important information to have. i trust Maki's read and obviously Kaito can be scum while not doing anything specifically illogical, but there's the fact that Kaito hasn't... really done anything i don't think town Kaito could do.

[Elsa Jay]

Okay, maybe it's the freshness in my mind and the fact he's going after my townreads in particular. Now a different question.

Is there anything you can point too from day 1 that confirms this is town!Kaito? Day 2 is obviously a mess.

[Elsa Jay]

if you're an avatar loyalist, then i am. /s

No Chara, we're

character

loyalists. We change the avatar sometimes but keep the same character.

[Pink Ball]

I'm a character loyalist too.

UNVOTE: Kaito Motomoto not feeling it

[Elsa Jay]

We're still missing people. This feels more like 8 people left then 12.

[Creature]

Is Lady Angel among those 8 people?

[Elsa Jay]

With 13 posts to her name? You tell me.

[Creature]

I think the four missing players are sheep, Lady, dave and "Frozen" Angel.

[Creature]

Doesn't that look better when we give actual names?

[Elsa Jay]

Sure, but I left it too your imagination. Sue me.

So Maki is out of the Question. So is Clemency. People seem to object to Kaitos death for... Some reason. I still trust Chara. Pink Ball is trustworthy so far. And I dont want to die.

Creature, who would you vote for in this situation out of the remaining 6?

Lady Angel, Frozen Angel, Wisdom, Sheep, Fire, and Dave.

Notice that the Angels and Dave are also claiming Miller. 3/6 of the remaining lineup.

[Kaito Momota]

Alright it's time to make a case, I don't like that nobody is really doing anything aside from pushing me (or not) - no names are really being thrown around. Notably Frozen angel received her prod during the night but hasn't posted since (or Gamma messed up and she should be out of here.

So here's what we're going to do - we're going to vote out Lady Angel today. I'm willing to let the two 'power roles' live for today, I'm even willing to look in places other than elsa, so this is where I want to vote now.

VOTE: Lady Angel

I think I weighed the fact that she claimed miller as townier than it really was... If I look past that for a moment she fits in as scum, and unlike you lot I'll even give good reasons.

First, she's only loosely reading the game. Now, this is a big deal because she made a wall post with thoughts on everyone earlier. I think this was either to get out of being lynched or given to her by a scum partner. Seriously, she still hasn't even acknowledged that I've been questioning her wall. She also hasn't acknowledged this whole interaction in any way:

I may have been brash in my haste to want to murder scum, but we should wait for both of the Angels, Dave, and Sheep to appear.

All those guys are useless anyway, might as well do whatever without them

... Throwing shade at half the playerlist also won't do you any favors.

Dave would probably vote me anyway, Sheep probably won't vote me anyway, the other 2 won't even read it

Which is all fine and dandy, maybe she just ignored it. Maybe she's into that? I don't know, I won't judge, I'd have definitely responded to it at the very least. I'm guessing this mean she indeed is only loosely looking at the thread - and if that's the case then new concerns are raised about her content.

Kaito seems to be in a 1v1 with Maki/Clem and lynching him is probably the best thing at the minute. I'm hesitant to vote and put him to L-1 now given how fast the day's going, but should Kaito flip town one of Maki and Clem is probably scum?

I believe Maki's claim as well, although more due to it making sense with the number of miller claims than the fact that scum wouldn't claim a role that wouldn't get her to endgame. I'm not sure if I believe Clem's, however, but given the level of emotion going through Clem this day I'm inclined just to leave it alone.

Let's stop tunneling on me for one minute and take a closer look at this - why am I the best lynch at the moment? Remember,

She hasn't read a good portion of the game.

Let's look at what I said earlier about her read on me:

The Maki vote was pure bandwagon

How does that make me scum?

as was his next vote on Wisdom.

How does that make me scum?

Then he defends Maki from Wisdom despite having just voted her.

How does that make me scum?

and it seemed more brought on by frustration than anything.

So? What's your point?

The wisdom vote also seemed quite random at the end of the iso.

How does that make me scum?

Overall there isn't much to work with here

and what there is is pinging me enough to suspect him.

This is the same reason people were just voting you - it's not a good one, which you said in the same post

Let's just focus on the last part for now. There isn't much to work with and what is there is "pinging her enough to suspect me". There seems to be plenty to work with, I'd think an updated read would be in order. Or any acknowledgement of anything I've said to her, instead of posturing around voting me yet not actually doing so (spirit of Alchemist21 yada yada).

"I believe both pr claims" is an easy stance for scum to take. Let's theorize that they're both town for a moment: Mafia kills the doctor and the hider likely dies at night. That's the easiest stance in the game for scum to take, they'll both just die. Of course, if they're not both town then this is also a bad stance to take as one of them will still die and the other is a positive stance on a scum partner.
That's not the full extent of her read though, she said that one of clem/maki are scum if I'm town. Now, while this is probably true, it also sets off alarm bells for if it isn't.

Kaito seems to be in a 1v1 with Maki/Clem and lynching him is probably the best thing at the minute.

No seriously - why am I the best lynch at the moment? because everybody else is voting there? Where's the original thought? It all evaporated once the pressure did on day 1.

This brings me to my second point:

VOTE: Nikk

I think this feels best right now.

She voted Nikk yesterday. I believe we should be looking at the Nikk wagon, but that's not the extent of my read, after voting out Nikk she hasn't really done anything with it. Nikk lynch didn't even matter apparently, no new info to work with, no new insights, nothing changes for her reads apparently, just lynch me when I wasn't even on the wagon.

Third point:

I'm town because I kept my cool while the wagon on me was building.

Clem's defense seems like panicked scum, but I want to read some clem games to see how he reacts to wagons in general.

She says things she doesn't mean. Yeah she never intended to actually read Clem games to see how he reacts, yeah she'll never talk about it again unless she's pressured. So why did she say it? She's trying to give the illusion that she's working on something, somehow contributing to the game.

[Creature]

I think we have the same PoE.

[Creature]

I dunno how to sort the millers rn.

[Kaito Momota]

I dunno how to sort the millers rn.

Well it's interesting that one was killed at night. Did mafia think a miller could also be a pr?

[Elsa Jay]

Honest opinion: one of the remaining Millers

has to be scum.

it's really the only way it makes sense in my mind. And I know it ain't Chara.

4 Miller's in this setup with Maki's role? Fine. Assume 3 scum with 14 players and that's 7/14 she can hide on without dying. Half the list. 50\50 shot of living or dying.

8/14 throws that balance out of line.

[Creature]

4 millers alive or 4 millers including Alch?

[Elsa Jay]

4 millers including Alch.

[davesaz]

Reviewing myself to bring this game back into memory.

Kaito suddenly hyperposts despite being in no personal danger.
Why did that happen?

I don't remember if I was satisfied that we understood this.