after reading profii’s recent posts it seems more likely there be 2 fruits (so a lone 2-shot scum SFV).In post 5797, Nero Cain wrote:I thought the scenario we were discussing is that scum redirected profii's fruit. There's a second fruit vendor?
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Iirc you can also gift the +1 along with the prize.In post 5804, mcqueen wrote:No i’m pretty sure u win a +1 along with a prize elsa. What ur describing was a potential prize-
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Can you like someone’s reads and not be completely crazy about their reasoning for them? That pretty much sums up my thoughts here.In post 5806, The Last Knight wrote:
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-I didn't mind Karmeleon and I liked the Creature entrance. I can understand the appeal of having no one meta read you. Town.ShowHydra of DVa and Nancy Drew 39
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Not following here.In post 5807, DrewVa wrote:just a little thing but if TLK does flip scum I think the scum equity of Una goes up a bit. -d-
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Still doesn't explain where Profiis fruit is. Or his modifiers. If he doesn't receive feedback for anything he sends the next logical step is roleblocked or rolestopped.In post 5800, mcqueen wrote:
after reading profii’s recent posts it seems more likely there be 2 fruits (so a lone 2-shot scum SFV).In post 5797, Nero Cain wrote:I thought the scenario we were discussing is that scum redirected profii's fruit. There's a second fruit vendor?-
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I don't think there would be 2 sticky fruit vendors as they are boon bank roles.In post 5800, mcqueen wrote:
after reading profii’s recent posts it seems more likely there be 2 fruits (so a lone 2-shot scum SFV).In post 5797, Nero Cain wrote:I thought the scenario we were discussing is that scum redirected profii's fruit. There's a second fruit vendor?
I think the natural thought process is
1. I am messing with you about my loyal/fruit plan and I'm actually just scum - I just got lucky by using the fruit to block PP. We don't want the loyal person to claim so it's better I flip tbh.
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2. scum have a way of messing with the fruit somehow (I can't explain)
Unless 1 boon bank role doesn't mean 1, it means 1 type of these roles can be on multiple slots in this game, but I am not sure how well that fits boons ethos of keeping things relatively normal. My opinion - 1 sticky fruit.
Also - the person I actually gave the loyal modifier to did breadcrumb something (I believe) and they haven't indicated they have a sticky fruit which goes someway to poo poo the idea that 2 sticky fruit exist - I'll caveat with the breadcrumb was very loose so I could be looking for something that isn't there... I'm optimistic.
So we knew I had a sticky fruit and we know that scum managed to make it go somewhere else - that suggests they did something to me rather than TLK, as TLK has claimed a role that doesn't do anything at night. That's a concern as it's a nifty power role in scums hands I guess.
I also believe the reason TLK is involved is because of his SS claim - scum want the 'double kill' so they have framed him - So if we do lynch TLK then it'll be interesting to see what happens to the hammer in this hidden voting thing but whatever probably better to just let that go for now.
Anyway, then we have PP, he 'coincidently' gifted something to the person involved in what appears to be scum framing. So let's play out PP drawing out a TLK mis claim on purpose - this means TLK is town. So we flip him, this then means we go nuts at PP which if he is scum means they've just traded off 2(if you consider SS kill) for 1. So that means scum have lost 1 of their 5 and they are happy to lose another for 2 town.
that puts the game at 3v13 tomorrow - I think that is ambitious or scum know the game is very scum sided...
So the other way of looking at it - the coincidence is just a coincidence, scum didn't intend for this plan to come out in this way. That means, the sticky fruit went to TLK and 1 of 2 things happen:
TLK expects the sticky fruit to have been sent to the loyal person, but it went to him - so he should come out and say profii wtf have you done here I'm not loyal, that means I get lynched - you all see my loyal/town plan thing was legit and TLK has been framed, that means the TLK lynch and SS kill is off the table which is bad for scum but maybe they are hoping I say something like "you need to know that so and so was the loyal dude" so they can kill him.
or if TLK said nothing, which I wouldn't expect, then tomorrow a random person goes "I got a fruit, I've just been IC'd, here profii, do it again" at which point there _should_ be someone loyal who says "well it didn't come from me so it's false" and that person should have been advocating for my lynch today, at least pre PP asking about the gift.
None of these plans make me think "yes that's the one here" so there is a PR at play which I can't put my finger on tbh. I don't know but I don't want to lynch TLK and probably not PP today. I'd put myself before either of them - you get 2 people with massive town equity, save the identify of the loyal dude for the loss of me when you flip me and find out Me/TLK was legit messed with by scum - that's arguably a policy lynch but worth thinking about - however, given one of the plans was that the counter claim ends in a me lynch, I'm not sure if I'm falling for some kind of trap here.-
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Do you think scum would try to frame TLK even though he has been lynch candidate since the start. There was a good chance he would have been lynched on D2 had I not gone full tunnel on Ram and the day rep theory.
I'm assuming this role lock or redirect was also a 1-shot and they would choose to use it on TLK/SS???
I'm doubting my self and my theories due to my D2 flopped theory but I'm having trouble believing TLK.
@TLK does your role pm say that the person who places the hammer will also die OR the last vote placed will die?
And I'll just say this. I haven't received anything from anyone this game. I doubt I was anyone's choice for a gift but just in case.-
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So the scum wifom to get 2 kills today is the only one that seems plausible to me. The only way a town PR messes with the sticky fruit is if they hard scumread Profii yesterday AFTER he claimed the fruit.
I know I was hard against Profii day 1 and I had no hand in this. Also I think it's fine for scum to go for the 2 for 1 play if one of them was taking heat day 2 so that the situation goes from just losing 1 partner day 3 into taking a townie down with them.
This could also be a scum assumption based on the end of day votecount where they felt they were outed on the Ramcius Lynch, that one would kind of point me to Dave to be frank.-
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Stop being an idiot.In post 5795, mcqueen wrote:The entire reason we’re even considering TLK as a lynch - besides/before the fruit fiasco - is because he was deemed a scummy slot. If he’s town, and truly is SS, he is a literal 1-for-1 deal with scum, and is best to keep him alive. I’m moving away from him and trusting my gut. TLK is town.
Therefore, this post and Penguin blatantly asking TLK if he received his gift when no one else has done that seems like a way for scum!PP to bait TLK. PP could be a scum sticky fruit vendor (there was one of these in another booneytoonz game), knew TLK had a potential second fruit, and got him to out that he had a fruit by asking him if he received PP’s gift. Of course PP said he didn’t send him a fruit. He’s scum.
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What do you think about PP happening to give a gift to the person scum are meddling with ? do you think coincidence or involvement ? if the latter, what do you think the narrative/scum plan is... I just cant put my finger on it.In post 5819, RCEnigma wrote:So the scum wifom to get 2 kills today is the only one that seems plausible to me. The only way a town PR messes with the sticky fruit is if they hard scumread Profii yesterday AFTER he claimed the fruit.
I know I was hard against Profii day 1 and I had no hand in this. Also I think it's fine for scum to go for the 2 for 1 play if one of them was taking heat day 2 so that the situation goes from just losing 1 partner day 3 into taking a townie down with them.
This could also be a scum assumption based on the end of day votecount where they felt they were outed on the Ramcius Lynch, that one would kind of point me to Dave to be frank.-
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yes I’m so desperate right nowIn post 5806, The Last Knight wrote:
-LurkerIn post 5784, Nero Cain wrote:y is BEF scummy?
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Im halfway down ur post and No, just no. I never said 2 SFV. I said there is a single scum-aligned SFV. By nature, SFV is basically 1-shot. So, if they ever wom a boonus round OR were gifted a prize by someone else, they could potentially have that charge restored and we could have 2 fruits going around.In post 5811, profii wrote:
I don't think there would be 2 sticky fruit vendors as they are boon bank roles.In post 5800, mcqueen wrote:
after reading profii’s recent posts it seems more likely there be 2 fruits (so a lone 2-shot scum SFV).In post 5797, Nero Cain wrote:I thought the scenario we were discussing is that scum redirected profii's fruit. There's a second fruit vendor?
I think the natural thought process is
1. I am messing with you about my loyal/fruit plan and I'm actually just scum - I just got lucky by using the fruit to block PP. We don't want the loyal person to claim so it's better I flip tbh.
Or
2. scum have a way of messing with the fruit somehow (I can't explain)
Unless 1 boon bank role doesn't mean 1, it means 1 type of these roles can be on multiple slots in this game, but I am not sure how well that fits boons ethos of keeping things relatively normal. My opinion - 1 sticky fruit.
Also - the person I actually gave the loyal modifier to did breadcrumb something (I believe) and they haven't indicated they have a sticky fruit which goes someway to poo poo the idea that 2 sticky fruit exist - I'll caveat with the breadcrumb was very loose so I could be looking for something that isn't there... I'm optimistic.
So we knew I had a sticky fruit and we know that scum managed to make it go somewhere else - that suggests they did something to me rather than TLK, as TLK has claimed a role that doesn't do anything at night. That's a concern as it's a nifty power role in scums hands I guess.
I also believe the reason TLK is involved is because of his SS claim - scum want the 'double kill' so they have framed him - So if we do lynch TLK then it'll be interesting to see what happens to the hammer in this hidden voting thing but whatever probably better to just let that go for now.
Anyway, then we have PP, he 'coincidently' gifted something to the person involved in what appears to be scum framing. So let's play out PP drawing out a TLK mis claim on purpose - this means TLK is town. So we flip him, this then means we go nuts at PP which if he is scum means they've just traded off 2(if you consider SS kill) for 1. So that means scum have lost 1 of their 5 and they are happy to lose another for 2 town.
that puts the game at 3v13 tomorrow - I think that is ambitious or scum know the game is very scum sided...
So the other way of looking at it - the coincidence is just a coincidence, scum didn't intend for this plan to come out in this way. That means, the sticky fruit went to TLK and 1 of 2 things happen:
TLK expects the sticky fruit to have been sent to the loyal person, but it went to him - so he should come out and say profii wtf have you done here I'm not loyal, that means I get lynched - you all see my loyal/town plan thing was legit and TLK has been framed, that means the TLK lynch and SS kill is off the table which is bad for scum but maybe they are hoping I say something like "you need to know that so and so was the loyal dude" so they can kill him.
or if TLK said nothing, which I wouldn't expect, then tomorrow a random person goes "I got a fruit, I've just been IC'd, here profii, do it again" at which point there _should_ be someone loyal who says "well it didn't come from me so it's false" and that person should have been advocating for my lynch today, at least pre PP asking about the gift.
None of these plans make me think "yes that's the one here" so there is a PR at play which I can't put my finger on tbh. I don't know but I don't want to lynch TLK and probably not PP today. I'd put myself before either of them - you get 2 people with massive town equity, save the identify of the loyal dude for the loss of me when you flip me and find out Me/TLK was legit messed with by scum - that's arguably a policy lynch but worth thinking about - however, given one of the plans was that the counter claim ends in a me lynch, I'm not sure if I'm falling for some kind of trap here.
I’m not lynching a guy off a tin foil fruit theory after we mislynched Ram on similar premise.-
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alright chill that kind of makes more sense but I kinda expect a +X charge on a STV to fail, given the nature of the pass it around element to it.
also - no CC or 2nd fruit claim has emerged so...
finally - I'm not really advocating a lynch so idk if you think I am - I just don't want TLK or PP today...
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