Open 746: Bus Service [Game Over]

[Lovebird]

Hi everyone

VOTE: Sash

[Lovebird]

Hm, I think maybe Reaper and Eyes are towny.

[Lovebird]

Hm, I think maybe Reaper and Eyes are towny.

why? Btw I love your name and avatar

Thanks

[Lovebird]

Hi everyone

VOTE: Sash

VOTE: Sash

sheeping the bird

Good decision!

[Lovebird]

Hm, I think maybe Reaper and Eyes are towny.

why? Btw I love your name and avatar

Thanks

You’re welcome I’d kinda like an answer to the question tho. What makes these two players towny when we have about a page to go off of?

I'll say if you say why you want to know.

[Lovebird]

The claim is stupid if town, it's way more likely to be from scum.

How is it stupid?

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Akarin

[Lovebird]

No if it is conceivable that town would do something and scum do it, it's not stupid by scum.

I'm not saying never joke, but joke claims are distracting at best and nefarious at worst. Unfortunately they'll never go away, because town continue to do so. It's stupid because it doesn't move the game forward but it makes other townies forced to think about it and analyze it. It also continues to give scum this out. "Let's make dumb claim jokes because town do it"

So congratulations to whichever one of you is scum. You just assimilated yourself to the majority.

Okay. I don't think this makes sense. But, I think you're town anyways

[Lovebird]

The claim is stupid if town, it's way more likely to be from scum.

How is it stupid?

^
if its stupid as town, wouldnt that make it stupid as scum too?

Can we get a response to this, lovebird? If you are town, it would be more likely for you to ask questions about why the claim is more likely to be from scum than how it is stupid.

What?

Sorry, I don't get what you mean.

[Lovebird]

I mean it's just hard for me to pinpoint what exactly makes them towny with so little to go off of.

Truth is, it was just a feeling. I said it to get responses. And, also because early townreads were becoming scumtell for me, so I want to start doing it in towngames too.

Idk what to think of your response yet. Not towny also wanting to have my townreads, but not scummy trying to doubt my townreads. Maybe you're scum and I scumread a buddy? Probably not

[Lovebird]

There's no playlist I can copy paste to do PoE...

[Lovebird]

Playerlist I mean.

[Lovebird]

Rb what do you think of this?

VOTE: Elliot

[Lovebird]

Akarin I think is also scummy. This is an awkward post

That and my reasoning obviously does not lead to a lynch, as nobody would ever think "Oh, he's right. They have no avi so let's vote them."

Eliot is voting me for doing something they view as scummy, which could lead to a lynch if others listened to them.

Your vote was silly, but it was NAI to me. Eliot's looked like they're trying top build a wagon on me for real.

I would also note that Clemency had 3 votes on him before I voted, so if I wanted an easy lynch I should have joined his wagon instead, but since I didn't then your argument is clearly silly (see the underlined statement above), and makes Eliot's parroting of it even scummier.

I am NOT saying that Eyes was posting a case that would lead to lynch. This obviously isn't the case. I'm saying Eyes was getting on the Fallen wagon early, for a very minor reason (or no reason, which is the same thing), but if Fallen had reacted badly to early pressure and built up a big wagon then Eyes is already on that wagon before it looks opportunistic.

Additionally all the discrediting language here really pings me, especially as it legitimizes one of the votes on the wagon so as to not be

too

defensive.

[Lovebird]

Her.

And what caused you to hesitate?

Sorry!

I finally thought my argument was a bit reaching, and I was really sleepy so I spent like 15 seconds on the question instead of taking my time.

Oh, this is towny

[Lovebird]

VOTE: clemency

I'm bored and I'm going to fish for an L1. Wagon harder people

I guess this is towny too

[Lovebird]

Okay, good start

[Lovebird]

I don't like the way you're conducting business here, lovebird. You're asking lots of questions that make me wonder why you asked them. Asking questions alone does not make you towny. Analysis does. What is your vote on us for, exactly? What are your actual opinions beyond just the "This is towny, this is not?" Any scum can ask questions to look town, and I think that's exactly what you're doing here.

Huh? What questions am I even asking? I don't think I'm asking any pointless questions.

I especially don't like the vote because I happen to be the only slot pressuring you right now. To us, that looks like an attempt to set up an argument that we would be omgus if we vote for you.

Wow, someone who thinks I'm diabolical genius instead of dumb. Is it opposite day?

[Lovebird]

The claim is stupid if town, it's way more likely to be from scum.

How is it stupid?

^
if its stupid as town, wouldnt that make it stupid as scum too?

Can we get a response to this, lovebird? If you are town, it would be more likely for you to ask questions about why the claim is more likely to be from scum than how it is stupid.

I thought this was a weird question and felt like voting you

[Lovebird]

The claim is stupid if town, it's way more likely to be from scum.

How is it stupid?

This is the question that pinged us.

If you’re town here, you should be asking why it is scummy, not why it is stupid.

1. It assumes the person is town, which is concerning
2. A Townie would be more interested in why it’s more likely to come from scum and

Lol. He says why it's scummy. It's scummy because it would be stupid as town. So, I ask how it's stupid as town

Because of this, it looks more like a filler question than genuine scumhunting, and combined with the naked vote on us along with the lack of reasoning of any reads, looks like someone trying to seem like they are busy without actually digging in to any stances.

Hm, sounds familiar

[Lovebird]

Why not wait until we clarify to vote?

Why would I?

It's just one vote, idk why it bothers you so much.

A question you want clarified was more deserving of a vote than any of the other stuff you pointed out?

Also I don’t like how you tried to just undercut your own intellegence to downplay our argument

Deserving of a vote? Idk. I felt like you were a good vote though. Doesn't have to be for stuff you've already said.

And, I'm not undercutting my own intelligence. Read what I said again

Just a change of pace to see someone say that.

[Lovebird]

You're asking lots of questions that make me wonder why you asked them.

Btw, you said this. Any other questions I'm asking, or just that one?

[Lovebird]

Why insinuate I'm defending a buddy? Clearly, I just wanted to push you for reads that had no explanation/ didn't make sense.

Huh? I said the exact opposite of that

Oh, I think it's scummy then. If you cared more about reasons why they're town rather than pushing for early townreads, it'd be towny.

[Lovebird]

And to clarify - I feel like Lovebird's decisions and reads so far have been with as little reasoning as possible. The vote on Eliot seemed to come out of left-field (at least FMPOV), and when asked she said, "I felt like it."

I'm gonna fencesit a little bit and say that I'm not putting full trust in Eliot here, but I feel like his actions have better purpose behind them, enough to sway my vote to Lovebird.

Ya, I did feel like it.

What's wrong with that?

[Lovebird]

Why not wait until we clarify to vote?

Why would I?

It's just one vote, idk why it bothers you so much.

A question you want clarified was more deserving of a vote than any of the other stuff you pointed out?

Also I don’t like how you tried to just undercut your own intellegence to downplay our argument

Deserving of a vote? Idk. I felt like you were a good vote though.

Doesn't have to be for stuff you've already said.

And, I'm not undercutting my own intelligence. Read what I said again

Just a change of pace to see someone say that.

Clarify the boldest?

Vote someone to see what happens. A lot happened, this time

[Lovebird]

i've only ever seen lists like this come from scum

lovebird can you change your vote so i can vote bujaber too

Idk, I think he's town. I think, scum usually don't admit to not reading, or they try to have positions on everyone.

[Lovebird]

Why insinuate I'm defending a buddy? Clearly, I just wanted to push you for reads that had no explanation/ didn't make sense.

Huh? I said the exact opposite of that

Oh, I think it's scummy then. If you cared more about reasons why they're town rather than pushing for early townreads, it'd be towny.

The bottom doesn’t make sense. I DO care about reasons for them being town; I asked you, “why are these players town?” When did I push for early townreads out of you or anyone else? It’s weird you had a townread that early, is all.

I'm saying, if your goal is pushing more than understanding, that's scummy

[Lovebird]

Ooh hey!! Wow! It's been a year!

[Lovebird]

Wow, crazy. Doesn't feel like a year.

[Lovebird]

And to clarify - I feel like Lovebird's decisions and reads so far have been with as little reasoning as possible. The vote on Eliot seemed to come out of left-field (at least FMPOV), and when asked she said, "I felt like it."

I'm gonna fencesit a little bit and say that I'm not putting full trust in Eliot here, but I feel like his actions have better purpose behind them, enough to sway my vote to Lovebird.

Ya, I did feel like it.

What's wrong with that?

so you’re proving my point that your reasons for your actions are nonexistant. On the surface, it seems like you’re reaction fishing tbqh, but when you repeatedly do that, it becomes more scummy as time goes on (first instance: asking me why I cared about your early townreads).

Saying I felt like it doesn't mean there weren't reasons

I already told Elliott why

[Lovebird]

Idk, I'm not sure much changed. I still think Akarin is scummy. Doing the same thing everyone doesn't like Elliott for.

Though, eyes is doing it too...

[Lovebird]

I am fed up with this Akarin tunnel, so I will propose this: Cop should check me tonight. Since I know the result on me I trust that there will be nothing to claim tomorrow, so the Cop will not have to out. Once we've established the Cop has no guilty we proceed to lynch Akarin.

The good thing is scum messing with the Cop by shooting me still confirms me as Town and we still lynch Akarin after my flip, and of course the Busdriver is Town so scum cannot mess with the result obtained on me.

Please nobody discuss. I am not fishing for responses. Just do it.. or don't.

Idk what to think of this. What about scum bus drive? Doesn't seem like someone forgets about that

And, why so convinced akarin is scum?

[Lovebird]

i've only ever seen lists like this come from scum

lovebird can you change your vote so i can vote bujaber too

Idk, I think he's town. I think, scum usually don't admit to not reading, or they try to have positions on everyone.

Wait, why do you scumread Bu?

[Lovebird]

Okay, so if we're not lynching Eyes, let's
VOTE: Bujaber
I'm not going to write up any argument at all, but I'd appreciate it if lovebird would sheep me so rb would sheep me.

Why?

[Lovebird]

Will read soon and respond.

Can someone please post a playerlist

[Lovebird]

I wonder if akarin could be scum with Elliot?

[Lovebird]

(4) Eliot Ness voted by: Eyes without a face, Lovebird, rb, Sashaddin.
(3) Clemency voted by: BuJaber, Flubbernugget, TTTT.
(2) Lovebird voted by: Eliot Ness, mcqueen.
(1) Alonzo voted by: Clemency.
(1) Flubbernugget voted by: ReaperofSouls.
(1) BuJaber voted by: Akarin.

(1) Not voting: Alonzo.

Feels like everyone on top two wagons is towny. So, maybe scum in the lower wagons. Maybe Akarin wants a new bu wagon because scum is a wagon now.

Btw Akarin, I like your name

[Lovebird]

I guess I don't really scumread Clem though.

[Lovebird]

Is Sash town? Is mcqueen town?

[Lovebird]

Lovebird, it's in the OP. But here you go

Ya, but it's hard to copy on my phone.


ReaperofSouls
rb

BuJaber

Clemency

mcqueen

Flubbernugget

Eyes without a face

Akarin
TTTT
Eliot Ness
Alonzo
Sashaddin

Lovebird

Akarin? Elliott? Alonzo? Tttt?

[Lovebird]

Oh, shit! Totally missed that one. OK.. I concede that was a dumb proposition.

Town derp.

i'm doing this thing where i actually answer questions directed at me
you guys like it?

Yes

day1 outside a newbie game and Clem is writing complete sentences?
things that make you go hmmm

+1

Alonzo replaces FallenDown.

24 hours have been added to the deadline.

What's up?

Really scummy

[Lovebird]

Ya, reaper definitely not towny like I thought earlier. Maybe a good vote if Elliott is being replaced. Coasting scum.

[Lovebird]

I like it.

VOTE: Reaper

[Lovebird]

Is Sash town? Is mcqueen town?

I’m town and I hard townread Sash

Why

[Lovebird]

Lovebird, it's in the OP. But here you go

Ya, but it's hard to copy on my phone.


ReaperofSouls
rb

BuJaber

Clemency

mcqueen

Flubbernugget

Eyes without a face

Akarin
TTTT
Eliot Ness
Alonzo
Sashaddin

Lovebird

Akarin? Elliott? Alonzo? Tttt?

Oh, fallen was towny too. Forgot.

[Lovebird]

[Lovebird]

What?

[Lovebird]

@Mod: I am wondering why the day is getting extended by 24 hrs with each replacement when we already have enough time left in it anyway. Theoretically this could lead to a never ending day under certain circumstances.

@LB: Just because a slot you/I are scum reading got replaced doesn't mean they've changed their alignment. I would rather you kept your vote om Eliot/Firebringer and examined the new player's play. It's not like he was @L-1 you know.

But, I think reaper is more scummy than Elliott

[Lovebird]

didnt even realise reaperofsouls existed in this game

Ya, that's a big scum sign.

he seems ok from skimming his iso for like 2 minutes tho

I thought you said his readslist was scummy before?

[Lovebird]

Hi firebringer

[Lovebird]

If there are infinite replacements and the day never ends, I'm replacing out.

Maybe the first thing in the game I have agreed with you on.

Hows the bubba ROS?

Alls good. How have you been?

Idk, I think reaper is still being scummy

[Lovebird]

Alonzo you caught up?

Just had time to complete a second read through, hopefully will get the isos looked at soon.

Early gut read was that Lovebird and Flubber seemed most scummy. Still feel good about those reads.

Iv got yourself, rb and TTTT as my strongest town leans so far.

When I get time to iso hopefully will learn a bit more about the middle pack.

Why do you scumread flubber

[Lovebird]

Idk, I don't feel like anything happened since my last post.

[Lovebird]

Well, I guess I should talk about reads I disagree on

[Lovebird]

He is protecting clemency by disparaging my case and attacking me. Even if he doesn't see what I see in the RVS posts, clemency's reactions and later posts don't make him look any better. Rb isn't interested in looking at those and showing us why clemency is town because he's not solving the game.

His tone is sarcastic and dismissive to EVERYONE not just his scumread (me), so it's not like he's showing any interest in working with people. It's all about getting what he wants. And even in the pursuit of what he wants he is lazy about it. Just throwing out naked opinions and baseless reads and not showing any effort in actually pushing his agenda.

So yeah I'm pretty confident about rb and clemency. It's the 3rd scum that's been harder to identify.

I'd be surprised if they were partners and both decided to make such a joke. But I don't know which if them would be the scum and which the annoying townie.

I think Bu does team association reads like this as town

[Lovebird]

Lovebird, it's in the OP. But here you go

Ya, but it's hard to copy on my phone.


ReaperofSouls
rb

BuJaber

Clemency

mcqueen

Flubbernugget

Eyes without a face

Akarin
TTTT
Eliot Ness
Alonzo
Sashaddin

Lovebird

Akarin? Elliott? Alonzo? Tttt?

Akarin, what do you think of this?

[Lovebird]

I think we're all bad at explaining things.

[Lovebird]

I still think Reaper is best wagon. He's just been pretending to contribute. Clemency and Firebringer both had a few towny things about them

[Lovebird]

Well, maybe Firebringer's not that towny. But I still rather vote Reaper.

[Lovebird]

I don't think Clemency is a good vote. So, I'll switch to Firebringer if I have to.

[Lovebird]

Idk, I feel like someone doesn't deserve to skate by playing like Reaper does. Like, he can get away with doing that as scum? I don't think he should.

[Lovebird]

He has one single post with reads, and rest is just showing up, not even talking anything meaningful.

[Lovebird]

Look at his ISO.

[Lovebird]

Fuck me I completely forgot about this

UNVOTE: Clemency

For forgetting.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

His vote is still here.

[Lovebird]

I still think Flubber is town. He's playing towny I think.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Lovebird]

I have no opinion on firebringer. he hasn't really done anything.

Why aren't more people voting this nice person?

Well to be perfectly honest here friendo.

I went through you reasoning for voting my slot. Since we both agree that I have done nothing, you are voting me for my previous occupant of this slot.

Now as a person who I believe is analytical, I would think your reasoning had a lot of weight to have this strong read on my slot. What I found was just not much I am afraid.

You can correct me if I am wrong about this, because I did go through your posts but maybe you didn't post the full reasoning or didn't explain it completely in-depth. You scum-read Eliot for wanting to push a wagon on you without a real scumread on you. This was scum motivated because I believe you would say you are town and the reasoning for the push was non-existent.

Now, this is where I find weird. Because this happened so early in the game, I find any reasoning to think that Eliots push on you meant much of anything. I think your right that the push for a wagon on you holds like zero weight, but I don't come to the conclusion you did that it was scum-motivated (well obviously I am in the slot), because I think early game wagons are generally for getting thoughts on players and many people push things they don't really believe in just to get thoughts on peoples interactions around them. This was one of those to push on a wagon that I thought was nothing more then to 'get the ball going'.

Now you might disagree and I would like to think there is more to discuss there, but I don't think so. Theres probably a lot more happening in this game that is worth discussing and far more ripe for analysis than my slot. So I wonder why do you push this so much when I am not sure the foundation is as strong as you make it out to be?

That makes me go into a few thoughts:
A) You are pushing me in order to see my reactions to it or get me to do something. Maybe.
B) You have to be doing something because like gotta fake scumhunt. Possibly
C) You believe you are actually onto something here. Seems unlikely.

I am more familiar with him than 90% of the playerlist. So I have him higher up the priority list than everyone else.
I was also trying to get a feeling for eyes without a Face and I am kind of at a impasse there because I am not getting the reasoning behind his push on me (does he believe scum would openly brag? Why does he think I am openly bragging as scum? So many questions)

I think I have come to the conclusion Eyes is playing extremely lazy and is pushing me now for being extremely lazy. Which is just w/e.
I mean he kind of backtracked his original read on my slot for what Eliot did and said he had reason enough for how I acted. And I feel you can probably apply same standard to him. So what then?

I guess I just don't think it means anything that either of us are being lazy. I am trying to get my head in the game now and only one genuine read. Scum on Flubber. Everything else don't really care much about.

Feels like Fire is explaining so much to try to show how he has a big thought process and make himself look towny. But, it doesn't feel real.

[Lovebird]

rb

BuJaber

Clemency
mcqueen

Flubbernugget

Eyes without a face

Akarin

TTTT
Firebringer
Alonzo
Sashaddin

Lovebird

I think it was mistake to remove Clem. Akarin town.

[Lovebird]

Idk, feels like I want to townread Sash. But, he's not actually too towny. Definitely, could be scum that gets ignored.

[Lovebird]

At least 1 of Alonzo and Lovebird is scum

mcqueen, what's your case on Alonzo?

meta from a Newbie game we played together

@Mod: Can we have an updated VC, please?

I wish he'd say more. Though, I lean town.

[Lovebird]

Got unlucky once. But, I'm gonna still push my reads this game and see how it works out.

[Lovebird]

TTTT was killed?

[Lovebird]

I wonder why

He didn't push many reads. Except, maybe clem scum. And, I don't think he was super townread.

[Lovebird]

Maybe scum this game was in inactive players. And, they're letting us kill each other. So, that would be Clem, and Elliot or FB, and someone else.

[Lovebird]

90% of the players are inactive now.
and you make an astute observation that scum are probably in the inactive?

You need a medal.

Well, it's about presence.

[Lovebird]

Like, BuJaber I don't call inactive.

[Lovebird]

I would call him inactive just like everyone else.

OK. But, that's not what I'm trying to say.

[Lovebird]

Mod can you prod rb

- Already have but I was admittedly late to.

[Lovebird]

Akarin. Bujaber. rb. Maybe mcqueen.

It was more about yesterday.

Idk. Maybe it is silly to say in an inactive game. It's like, the people pushing things were town, and people sheeping or not doing anything were scum.

[Lovebird]

That's OK. I'm used to that

So, do you think it makes me scummy?

[Lovebird]

One silly thought means I can't reason?

[Lovebird]

I am definitely not gonna go through your games rn.

Don't worry, I get called dumb in all of them.

[Lovebird]

Idk, I feel things I say aren't so silly. Someone overexplaining things to look towny. Town pushing things and scum being the ones to follow. Not so outlandish, really?