Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

[Clemency]

the reason i was so hesitant was because accepting the fakeclaim would mean submitting to elsa's pocketing and i wasn't sure about my odds yet

[Clemency]

i pulled away too late at the last second and ended up going through it anyway

[Chara]

creature what are your reads right now

hey sheep, would you tell me about what prompted you to ask this?

[Elsa Jay]

i pulled away too late at the last second and ended up going through it anyway

I have nice houses to my faithful minions, Clem. Trust in your Queen.

[davesaz]

come to think of it, saying town Clem shouldn't have refuted Elsa's mason claim is weird. fakeclaiming masons can be a bad idea to begin with depending on who it is, even if you have a townread on that player. why is saying "no, we aren't" so much stranger than doing some pointless hedging like you suggest town Clem who is townreading Elsa should do?

You must have misread something.
Someone you townread calls you masons with them, you act like it's a joke.
Someone you scumread calls you masons, you refute it immediately.
Going along with it and then dropping it is scummy.
The above presumes playing town like I do -- honestly and putting thought into it. If Clem is town, my mistake is expecting him to play like me.

@Wisdom -- prove to me that you have reasons to believe the things you post.
I don't especially care if they are good or bad reasons.
I remember you being willing to engage and do that when someone needed you to.

[Chara]

You must have misread something.
Someone you townread calls you masons with them, you act like it's a joke.
Someone you scumread calls you masons, you refute it immediately.
Going along with it and then dropping it is scummy.
The above presumes playing town like I do -- honestly and putting thought into it. If Clem is town, my mistake is expecting him to play like me.

this is rather egotistical, isn't it? expecting people to play like you is exactly your mistake here. if someone pretended to be masons with me i would likely also be unsure of how to respond.

[Chara]

why does acting like it's a joke require some sort of response from Clem? he ignored it until Elsa tried to give some legitimacy to a claim nobody was buying, at which point he did deny it. Elsa fakeclaims all the time, why would Clem even bat an eye until he felt it was necessary to to make the state to clown as clear as possible?
you're giving this very specific response that is the town response to you and saying Clem has to fit into your box, and if he does not then the action is scummy.
you're doing the same with Wisdom and willfully ignoring all who say otherwise. even if Wisdom is scum your argument for it is terrible because of that behaviour. i don't like it and it's narrow-minded.

[Chara]

Clem's own explanation at the top of this page makes sense, he wasn't sure. what about that do you find strange for town to do?

[Wisdom]

either chara or dave is the fake miller, currently leaning dave
elsa is 100% scum
and the other prolly clemency

[Elsa Jay]

What happened to elsa/sheep/chara? It appears everyone elsa changes around but you keep me around. I wonder why.

Oh yeah. You don't have any real case so putting me with someone to make them look bad is the way to go.

[Wisdom]

because you're scum

sheep was just poe but someone pointed out he pushed you earlier so hes prolly not scum with you

[Elsa Jay]

But if I'm scum, why are you, my bloody partner, trying to fuck me over so much? Because your scum here bro.

Also, #Evidence. You still haven't provided it.

[Wisdom]

dont need it

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: Wisdom Wisdom Wisdom Wisdom Wisdom Wisdom Wisdom

See ya.

[Pink Ball]

dont need it

Wisdom in a nutshell

[Wisdom]

yet youre voting me

[davesaz]

Clem's own explanation at the top of this page makes sense, he wasn't sure. what about that do you find strange for town to do?

You're having a hard time too, with the term "at that point in time". I'm fine with Clem's response, now. Back then it felt scummy.

[Chara]

and 1981 was referring to that point in time too, not now. what i was questioning was the reads existence at all.
not to mention that you said "my mistake is expecting him to play like me", a statement in the present tense.
so don't roll your eyes at me.

[Elsa Jay]

A game with no Mod is a game with full sass.

[sheepsaysmeep]

creature what are your reads right now

hey sheep, would you tell me about what prompted you to ask this?

he's been active/engaged from what i can tell and my strongest v

i just wanted sheepable content/to see how different/similar our reads were

[sheepsaysmeep]

also

a) my dave v read was like off of his claim and first 5 or smtg posts and i havent read his other posts since

and what he said doesnt actually contradict what i said at all

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: kaito hm

[Elsa Jay]

Back to Kaito again?

Sheep, Kaito gets a pass for now. He's either scum with Wisdom or just very prideful at the moment. Killing Wisdom solves that puzzle for us.

I said this before about Kaito (Dunn) in Limbo, but honestly leaving him alive seems more beneficial now that I finally remembered that experience and calmed down a bit.

Wisdom is our optimal choice. Kaito is the Red Herring. Lady Angel is our backup option because Gamma should

eventually

show up and replace her and prod the others.

[Wisdom]

sheep what are you doing

[Chara]

it's true that the Wisdom/Kaito scum relationship is more dependent on Wisdom scum, but i feel it goes both ways.
my readlist has shuffled a bit, but i'm less interested in lynching sheep even as PoE.
Wisdom's reads seem rather arbitrary now. especially the most recent list. i don't want to think this because i've been defending him so long, though.