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Post Post #2450 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:42 am

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You disagree about ProFlavor too?

I don't see a world where Mewtaph would've let Meph get shot.
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Post Post #2451 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:45 am

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I’m mostly talking about Mew.

And why would Mew leave Mephistophanes alive? Who do you think would have shot them?
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Post Post #2452 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:49 am

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By the way has anyone else noticed that a lot of pushes that were being made last Day phase seem to have been abandoned this Day? It feels weird. Then again a couple people said they needed to reassess so maybe a lot of people feel that way?
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Post Post #2453 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:52 am

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@Alch: I have a general idea of where I want to push; I'm waiting for a little more content to strengthen my reads.

@Pint: How is ProFlavor town?
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Post Post #2454 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:55 am

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Someone trying to frame Mew.

What I got about Mew on D1 is that he's a man of few words, except when he's pressured, so I assume that being pressured is not comfortable for him since he has to act unnatural. Killing Meph is a risk of being pressured again, so I imagine scum!Mew asking his fellow partners "hey, could we NOT kill Meph? That would point towards me".

The counter argument of this is that leaving Meph alive would possibly mean pressure coming from the loudest player towards him, since Meph was pushing the Meph wagon a lot. BUT, as ProFlavor said, Meph stated that they would push Varsoon if Shoshin flipped green. And Meph was a wrecking ball on D1, so that could be used in scum's agenda.

So in conclusion, I agree with Mew: scum tried to frame him.
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Post Post #2455 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:56 am

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In post 2453, Michael Scott wrote:@Pint: How is ProFlavor town?
Flavor Leaf unvoting Mewtaph when Mewtaph was at L-1. Only reasoning behind that strat would be that they both are scum. Scum!Flavor doesn't do that with town!Mewtaph
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Post Post #2456 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:28 am

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In post 2454, pinturicchio wrote:Someone trying to frame Mew.

What I got about Mew on D1 is that he's a man of few words, except when he's pressured, so I assume that being pressured is not comfortable for him since he has to act unnatural. Killing Meph is a risk of being pressured again, so I imagine scum!Mew asking his fellow partners "hey, could we NOT kill Meph? That would point towards me".

The counter argument of this is that leaving Meph alive would possibly mean pressure coming from the loudest player towards him, since Meph was pushing the Meph wagon a lot. BUT, as ProFlavor said, Meph stated that they would push Varsoon if Shoshin flipped green. And Meph was a wrecking ball on D1, so that could be used in scum's agenda.

So in conclusion, I agree with Mew: scum tried to frame him.
Scum can kill people who have accurate reads. Plus there’s like a bajillion other reasons someone could be killed too so I don’t like how this assumption that the read on Mewtaph was involved at all is being treated as a given.

Also the pressure argument doesn’t even make sense. Why would someone afraid of pressure want to leave a slot alive that’s pressuring them?
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Post Post #2457 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:47 am

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In post 2456, Alchemist21 wrote: Scum can kill people who have accurate reads. Plus there’s like a bajillion other reasons someone could be killed too so I don’t like how this assumption that the read on Mewtaph was involved at all is being treated as a given.

Also the pressure argument doesn’t even make sense. Why would someone afraid of pressure want to leave a slot alive that’s pressuring them?
Afraid =! uncomfortable. Mewtaph started to get townread after being pressured. I'm not saying that Mewtaph doesn't like being pressured because he reacts poorly, since he acts correctly when pressured; I'm saying he just doesn't like to be pressured 'cause he has to play differently of how he likes (few words). Killing Meph is automatically putting pressure on his slot. Leaving Meph alive when they stated they would push Varsoon would've been a better strat. Meph stated at EoD that they were earning a nightkill and that everyone should look at Mew if they died (or something along those lines).

My analysis of the night kill is that Meph were wrong about one of their scumreads (Mew) and one or two of her townreads (Michael Scott and Creature). So for scum!MS or scum!Creature it's "why would scum!Creature(MS) kill the slot that was defending him the most" and "Mewtaph has motives to kill Meph 'cause they were pushing him hard", so two birds with one rock for scum by killing Meph.

MS pocketing Meph and then killing them is plausible, but MS jumping on Creature's wagon now at the begining of D2 made me reevaluate that both are part of the scumteam.
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Post Post #2458 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:28 am

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Forgive me if I had missed it, but everyone can now claim their positioning action.

Michael Scott?
Mew?
u r 2?
AC? >>>> We moved 6 slots down the list
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@ProFlavor: You don't fully understand the argument for Varsoon being comfirmed. The MOD had COMFIRMED .. UNPROMPTED that there will be a "role similar to Town-Vig" in this game.
In post 1, Krazy wrote:There will be a role similar to a town-aligned vigilante in this game
Varsoon claimed this role. Did anyone else CC? Nope. So the role does exist (mod said it does) and only one player can be it (unless a Vig exists, tried to shoot Varsoon and failed, and still didn't bother claiming!!)

As for why the shot has been blocked, I did offer an explanation. Something anti-something. Since I don't know the game itself I can't specify exactly, but there are certain defensive mechanics that block certain offensive actions. Like, om so many games there are anti-air defenses to shoot down jet fighters but they do not affect tanks. Submarines that will sink ships but not attack aerial/ground units.

Also, both of you has seen Scum!V most recently. One was even on his team (so interacted with Scum!V in the Mafia PT), so chill. Varsoon is TOWN.

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Post Post #2459 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:33 am

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In post 2389, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2382, Almost Chara wrote:Actually, I want you to shoot pintu. He moved "further away" from your original slot. That's gives me the impression he wanted to be as far as possible from you, maybe?

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Post Post #2460 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:43 am

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@pintu: Thank you. (Blame it on my old brain trying to work a lot if stuff on different frontiers at once. I "should" put a cap on how many games I play simultaneously, but I either get invited or I see a setup/mod/player-list that I feel like "I must be in this".)

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Post Post #2461 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:27 am

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No problem monkey friend
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Post Post #2462 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:06 am

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im Unconvinced

Vig could just hope we lynch the fact Varsoon shot a blank thus enabling town to realise the real vig is still about

Perhaps the real vig thinks of themselves more as an IC than a vig because they think they might team kill, so it’s more important to declare IC later
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Post Post #2463 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:06 am

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Oh and
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Post Post #2464 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:10 am

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So this is where I shoot ProFlavor?
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Post Post #2465 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:12 am

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This is a thing
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #2466 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:12 am

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In post 2464, Varsoon wrote:So this is where I shoot ProFlavor?
No, they are above you. I believe you should shoot someone below you.

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Post Post #2467 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:22 am

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In post 2464, Varsoon wrote:So this is where I shoot ProFlavor?
Shoot Kokichi instead
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Post Post #2468 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:22 am

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In post 2466, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 2464, Varsoon wrote:So this is where I shoot ProFlavor?
No, they are above you. I believe you should shoot someone below you.

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Post Post #2469 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:26 am

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In post 2464, Varsoon wrote:So this is where I shoot ProFlavor?
I mean, you obviously should do what you want to, but if you need some friendly advice I'd say Koki, jjh & Creature are all better shots.

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Post Post #2470 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:27 am

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In post 2468, pinturicchio wrote:
In post 2466, Tibor and Lumia wrote:
In post 2464, Varsoon wrote:So this is where I shoot ProFlavor?
No, they are above you. I believe you should shoot someone below you.

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Why do you think that's a thing??
The position in the list must mean something.

Let's call this a hunch on my part.

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Post Post #2471 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:28 am

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When I shoot Koki
if Koki flips town
The next shot is aimed at my own dumbass self.
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Post Post #2472 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:30 am

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In post 2462, ProFlavor wrote:im Unconvinced

Vig could just hope we lynch the fact Varsoon shot a blank thus enabling town to realise the real vig is still about

Perhaps the real vig thinks of themselves more as an IC than a vig because they think they might team kill, so it’s more important to declare IC later
I would think it more likely that a vig takes a shot at one of the lurker slots as a target. Varsoon gets exposed as a liar, and vig has killed either a scum slot or someone that Town wouldn’t be sad to lose.

Maybe a shot got blocked and the vig doesn’t want to claim but right now all signs point to Varsoon telling the truth here.
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Post Post #2473 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:05 am

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In post 2464, Varsoon wrote:So this is where I shoot ProFlavor?
Do it :D
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Post Post #2474 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:08 am

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Hey woofer, is Leafy out there, or gave some input about EoD? Like what does he think about STW being town?
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