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Post Post #5 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:49 pm

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VOTE: GuyinFreezer
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Post Post #66 (isolation #1) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:22 am

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VOTE: Springtrap
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Post Post #71 (isolation #2) » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:28 am

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In post 68, UnaBombaH wrote:
In post 66, Persivul wrote:VOTE: Springtrap
...aaand this is scum for wanting to create a third equal wagon in their first post. :]
I take it you scumread AP as well then for being the one to suggest it?
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Post Post #124 (isolation #3) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:01 am

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In post 117, Almost50 wrote:
In post 94, Rob14 wrote:
Almost50 replaces AP, who I take it is his alt? Please confirm that just to be clear, thanks.
YES. AP is my alt. Thank you :)
Why are you switching accounts for this game?
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Post Post #125 (isolation #4) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:02 am

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In post 118, Almost50 wrote:Almost50 is my main and is the one I keep stats for.
What are your town and scum stats?
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Post Post #138 (isolation #5) » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:50 am

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In post 126, 0verki11 wrote: There are some in his sig.
I have sigs turned off, but thanks for the IIOA.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #6) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:28 am

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In post 157, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 138, Persivul wrote:
In post 126, 0verki11 wrote: There are some in his sig.
I have sigs turned off, but thanks for the IIOA.
Didn’t Pers just ask about that, and now he’s deflecting the conversation?
In post 158, stan1ey wrote:I dont think he was deflecting the conversation but there was no need to say overkill was giving information over analysis when he was simply answering a question
Point is that he was answering a question which was directed at A50.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:08 am

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VOTE: overkill
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Post Post #201 (isolation #8) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:39 am

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I think that's only L-2. 8 to lynch.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #9) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:48 am

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Sorry. Didn't think plays like that actually work, and I'm interested to see who if anyone will put him at L-1.
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Post Post #205 (isolation #10) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:53 am

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Yeah, this game just isn't grabbing me. Doubtful I'd be much help until D3.
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Post Post #222 (isolation #11) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:19 am

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In post 219, stan1ey wrote:If Overkill flips town anyone who doesn't vote Persivul is scum
VOTE: Overki11

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Uh...what's the logic of that?
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Post Post #223 (isolation #12) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:20 am

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You can say that 201 is just stupid. You can even say that it's stupidly anti-town. I disagree, but it's a matter of opinion and experience.

But I fail to see how it's scummy.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #13) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:26 am

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In post 227, stan1ey wrote:Post 201 has nothing to do with my read on you
So what's your point - two town wagons are impossible?
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Post Post #233 (isolation #14) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:33 am

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In post 219, stan1ey wrote:If Overkill flips town anyone who doesn't vote Persivul is scum
VOTE: Overki11

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You're implying a logical link between Overkill being town and me being scum.

One possible explanation is that you don't think both wagons can be town.

If that's not the link...what is?
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Post Post #234 (isolation #15) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:35 am

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I was away for awhile and maybe things have changed, but as I recall, lining up the D2 lynch on D1 generally wasn't considered to be a townie thing to do.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #16) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:43 am

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In post 237, stan1ey wrote:Because all youve done all game is ask pointless questions that only serve the purpose of making you look like youre doing something and jumping on the bandwagon of lynching overkill

If he flips town its obvious you are mafia trying to slip under the radar and lynch the LHF
Says the person who ACTUALLY put him at L-1, after I pointed out that I wanted the true count there so I could see if/who would put him there. You've changed your vote now, but only after A50 posted a town read on him.

As you said in another game:
I'd say mafia are more likely to push for people to get to L-1 early (especially if that person is town) as it cuts the day short and gets them a kill.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #17) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:44 am

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In post 237, stan1ey wrote:Because all youve done all game is ask pointless questions that only serve the purpose of making you look like youre doing something and jumping on the bandwagon of lynching overkill

If he flips town its obvious you are mafia trying to slip under the radar and lynch the LHF
And BTW - that's not at all how I play scum.
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Post Post #260 (isolation #18) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:15 am

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In post 255, stan1ey wrote:Persivul vs Overkill who's been scummier give me a straight answer
How about sash and springtrap? I don't see any significant scumhunting from their ISOs, and that's what you're scumreading me for.

Why aren't they in the conversation?
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Post Post #263 (isolation #19) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:17 am

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In post 256, Chateau Lobby wrote: Both are a
Fine lynch.

Overkill
Fake claim
Was weak.
Have you considered that overkill may be lynchbait, and he'd be better as a cop/vig/whatever target than a lynch?
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Post Post #265 (isolation #20) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:18 am

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In post 262, Chateau Lobby wrote: Oh man.
I just said
Overkill was scummier tr

Then
You post this...
And?

Do I really look like I'm squirming to get out of a lynch? :lol:
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Post Post #268 (isolation #21) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:19 am

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In post 264, Clemency wrote:
In post 256, Chateau Lobby wrote:
In post 255, stan1ey wrote:Persivul vs Overkill who's been scummier give me a straight answer
Both are a
Fine lynch.

Overkill
Fake claim
Was weak.
does this guy always talk like christopher walken
I thought he was just really bad at haiku.
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Post Post #271 (isolation #22) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:24 am

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In post 219, stan1ey wrote:If Overkill flips town anyone who doesn't vote Persivul is scum
VOTE: Overki11

L-1
This is the scummiest post of the game so far.
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Post Post #273 (isolation #23) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:27 am

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In post 269, 0verki11 wrote:Im self confirmable btw, will confirm tommorow.
Fair enough for one day. I suggest you really think through your role and consider other possible roles in the game though. There really aren't many fully confirmable roles in the game, and if you come in tomorrow with some BS story about how you read your role wrong it won't sit well.

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Post Post #275 (isolation #24) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:40 am

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In post 274, 0verki11 wrote: I mean I realised there maybe a scum varient of my role. But I can atleast confirm my ability exists.
People are going to accuse me of coaching (although scum daytalk is now common), but anyway:

What if scum have a RB and target you?

I would think town would have considered that.
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Post Post #277 (isolation #25) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:46 am

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In post 276, 0verki11 wrote:Then when you kill me, it will be confirmed that scum has a roleblocker.
You seem pretty confident that you'll survive until tomorrow. You've claimed a PR of some sort. Aren't you concerned you'll be killed tonight?
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Post Post #281 (isolation #26) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:52 am

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In post 278, Almost50 wrote:I'd also keep an eye of Persy, despite my own narrative about him replacing out often as scum. I've seen him do it like 3 times before, but I'm not 100% he'd do that everytime he rolls scum.
I love playing scum. I played IMO one of the best scum games ever. When I replace out, it's for reasons other than my alignment.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #27) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:01 am

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In post 285, Almost50 wrote:What was the reason you left "inception"??
IIRC the mechanics were too confusing - wasn't fun.

If you thi nk I can't play scum, check out this game:
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Post Post #292 (isolation #28) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:13 am

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Course without checking to see how many times I've replaced out as town, those 3 instances don't mean much. And even with the town replace outs, you wouldn't have much of a sample size...or knowledge of what else might have been going on in my life.

Tactical replace outs are against the rules, and you insinuating that I do so on very weak evidence is pretty douchey.
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Post Post #300 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:18 am

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In post 294, Almost50 wrote:I wouldn't call it a tactical replace out seeing as it's done very early and before anything develops in the game.
Then just STFU about it.
But I have no idea why you're even dragging the subject out.
Because I don't want a false reputation for tactical replace outs, and that's what some people will take away from it, even if you can technically claim you weren't charging that.
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Post Post #303 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:53 am

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In post 301, Springtrap wrote:It appears shutting up is a legitimate strategy around here. That doesn't really work with my friends.
We could change that if you like.

VOTE: Springtrap
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Post Post #319 (isolation #31) » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:17 pm

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In post 260, Persivul wrote:
In post 255, stan1ey wrote:Persivul vs Overkill who's been scummier give me a straight answer
How about sash and springtrap? I don't see any significant scumhunting from their ISOs, and that's what you're scumreading me for.

Why aren't they in the conversation?
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Post Post #326 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:17 am

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In post 204, stan1ey wrote:Does nobody else think Persivul is a better lynch than Overkill? his iso consists of 2 RVS votes, irrelevant questions and throwing shade at LHF for answering a question
In post 320, stan1ey wrote: 1) i didn't say i scum read because you arent scum hunting
2) CL was voting for Overkill, i was trying to convince him youre a better lynch so why would i bring up sasha or springtrap in that context?
Sure looks like you were scum reading me for not scum hunting.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:23 am

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In post 304, Gamma Emerald wrote: You know I noted the odd choices for who to switch to and the conclusion UnaH reached supports that
VOTE: Chateau Lobby
Dragging in another person to justify your vote is scummy af.
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Post Post #328 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:29 am

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In post 323, UnaBombaH wrote:Overki11 is likely never able to conf.town to us anyway,
Probably.
so delaying their lynch until ??? seems stupid.
If he actually is a town PR and we lynch him, we've done scum's job for them.

If he's alive going into tonight, scum have to consider the possibility that one night will allow him to damage them. They may kill him rather than risk it, saving us a mislynch.
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Post Post #336 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:49 am

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Maybe if you, like, actually made a case on me, you'd get more riders.
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Post Post #361 (isolation #36) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:29 am

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In post 347, Gamma Emerald wrote: So realizing someone sees the same shit I do is a bad thing? Alright, from now on I won’t try to collaborate, I’ll just push whatever and whether others agree with me isn’t my problem. /s
Like, what the fuck is your deal that town cohesion looks scummy to you?
Town cohesion? When did Una give you a town read?

Una looks very likely town, and you're piggybacking on that.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #37) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:15 am

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In post 364, Not_Mafia wrote:This is a tragically bad post
Just bad, or scummy?
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Post Post #372 (isolation #38) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:23 am

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In post 341, joges wrote:So, I think A50 liked his scum team and switched accounts.
I'm betting it's him, Persivul and Not_Mafia.
This is where my head is and this is the thought I like the best of all of my thoughts. I wanted to defend the switch, but now I don't like it. The reason I don't like it is because you wouldn't do it without a reason. You wouldn't log in, post a few times, and think "Nah, I'm gonna switch accounts" There's something that made that trigger happen. Also, the post where you essentially coach all of the town PRs on how to handle you N1 is groossssssss.

VOTE: A50

My other outside shots at scum are:

Stan1ey, in 209 you were fine with another lynch and kept your vote where it was. Just felt blah, like a person who nods yes with their finger's crossed behind their back.

Overki11, who had 245 and 250 combined to make what felt like manufactured fake slip.

I'm find thinking the rest of the game is town, and would help lynch any of these. Let's lynch A50 first tho. ty.
Why do you give (very small) cases on your outside scum reads, but don't provide anything on me or NM? If scum read us more than them, surely you have reasons, right?

Or maybe Chateau could actually make a case on me...
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Post Post #374 (isolation #39) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:24 am

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LOL - a comment on one post?
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Post Post #379 (isolation #40) » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:53 am

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Spoiler:
In post 377, joges wrote:
In post 372, Persivul wrote:Why do you give (very small) cases on your outside scum reads, but don't provide anything on me or NM? If scum read us more than them, surely you have reasons, right?

Or maybe Chateau could actually make a case on me...
In post 278, Almost50 wrote:Let me give a hint to those "not in the know" about how serious (i.e. dangerous)
as scum
some of the players in this game are:

Almost50:
Not to be arrogant, but many consider me a very dangerous scum player, and I'm often the N1 investigation check. The downside is when I'm Town I am also often the N1 kill, so you should decide whether to take that risk and check me on N1 or wait to see if I'm dead anyway.

Not_Mafia:
He's dangerous as scum because he's charming. half the players on MS want to policy lynch him for his play, while the other half (myself included) enjoy his company to the point they won't vote him unless he is mod-confirmed scum.

Chateau Lobby:
I don't know exactly who this is, but the play style reminds me of a few dangerous players. (I won't list them so as to not out his true identity according to his wish).

Xtoxm:
Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort.

This is NOT to say the others are not good at scum, but I'm pointing out players who probably can win it single handedly for their team.

I'd also keep an eye of Persy, despite my own narrative about him replacing out often as scum. I've seen him do it like 3 times before, but I'm not 100% he'd do that everytime he rolls scum.
I looked at this post and made my choice about you two. Also you two are the only two in the game that I've played with before (unless someone is on an alt account I'm not familiar with) and from my mind set think that it would be one of, if not both of, you that would make someone want to play "seriously." This is also the post that made me decide A50 was scum.

You're scum reading me because A50 isn't playing seriously, and because he said "I'd also keep an eye of Persy"?

Am I understanding this correctly?
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Post Post #394 (isolation #41) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:55 am

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In post 388, GuyInFreezer wrote:Hmm unless it changed Normal games suppose to include the info if daychat is enabled, right?
In a Normal, if scum have day talk (without an encryptor), it must be noted by mod.
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Post Post #395 (isolation #42) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:00 am

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In post 391, joges wrote: No, I'm scum reading you because when I play it out in my head I see A50 wanting to play seriously for a reason. So they I have to think, what reason would make him want to play seriously? And the reason I come up with is because he likes his scum team. So then, why does he like his scum team? Then I read his posts where he loves on all the great scummers in this thread and I've picked you and Not_Mafia as his partners. Until someone provides me information that gives me a reason to think something else, my head remains here.
OK, you're scum reading me because:
- A50 wants to play seriously, as evidenced by his switch from his alt
- He wants to play seriously because he rolled scum with a good scum team and wants the win for his records
- He just went ahead and openly named some players that would make a good scum team
- You picked two of those named players

Is that accurate?
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Post Post #403 (isolation #43) » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:34 am

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In post 398, joges wrote: I feel like your questions have been hoping for me to give you a simple "Yep" answer to what you are implying. While you're not ever far from accurate, your wording looks like a trap.
No trap. I think your argument is so bad that, as long as people accurately understand it, they're not going to buy it.

But I'm glad you're at least making an argument. :]
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Post Post #469 (isolation #44) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:26 am

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In post 466, Clemency wrote:why are we voting persivul again
Here's CL's case on me:

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Post Post #471 (isolation #45) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:29 am

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In post 464, Xtoxm wrote:Get a wagon going and I'll look it at, Pers hasn't really been towntelling in the way I'm used to
There's more than one way to skin a cat. (Sorry PETA :oops: )
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Post Post #474 (isolation #46) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:32 am

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In post 470, Clemency wrote:where's the rest of it
Exactly. :)

CL's response to that:
In post 375, Chateau Lobby wrote:Less is more.
I don't mind votes...but I'd like actual cases to go along with them. Kinda helps people sort things out later after flips.
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Post Post #476 (isolation #47) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:46 am

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Yes, in .
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Post Post #478 (isolation #48) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:52 am

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In post 451, Chateau Lobby wrote:
In post 450, stan1ey wrote:No i agree with xtoxm, i think he could be scum but we might as well wait as see and lynch elsewhere
Yes, you agree with xt, who agrees with overkill.
A=B
B=C
A=C
In post 452, stan1ey wrote:Nope youre wrong: xtoxm doesnt agree with overkill. Overkill says his role is self confirmable, xtoxm says that because overkill role is confirmable we might aswell wait and see, and thats what i agree.

That does not xtoxm agrees with overkill and therefore i agree with overkill
Do you agree with Stanley's rebuttal?
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Post Post #480 (isolation #49) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:04 am

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In post 477, Xtoxm wrote:Pers. You've posted enough that I feel like I should have got something town from you. What's your vote on springtap about?
Three things:
- he hasn't done any scum hunting, as I've noted
- partially just a "Fuck you" to
- I feel pretty good about it because Una, who's one of my townier reads, later voted there for awhile.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #50) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:05 am

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In post 479, Chateau Lobby wrote:No. Overkills claim was fake.
The rebuttal isn't based on the truth of overkill's claim.
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Post Post #486 (isolation #51) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:50 am

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In post 482, Sashaddin wrote:But... you say yourself above you trust UnaH playing 1 game with the guy; while this is at least the 3rd time I play with N_M. Yet you scumread for all this? Come on.
Una gives reasons for what he does. NM doesn't. Big difference.
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Post Post #503 (isolation #52) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:58 am

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VOTE: Sash

Sheeping.
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Post Post #511 (isolation #53) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:58 am

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In post 509, Sashaddin wrote:Being a target can indeed tell a lot.
It can, but you have to be very careful in interpreting the pushes.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #54) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:59 am

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In post 510, Sashaddin wrote: <------------------- he, not she; ;)
So why do you hit from the red tees? :twisted:
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Post Post #516 (isolation #55) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:55 am

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He won't be snickering when you get down to the banana hammock...
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Post Post #519 (isolation #56) » Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:10 pm

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LOL...nice one!
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Post Post #679 (isolation #57) » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:40 pm

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We lynch Xtoxm. If his role can't support that he visited two people, we lynch overkill tomorrow.
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Post Post #727 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:40 am

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CL, are you aware that the no kill was already explained by Clem?

I know you don't have an investigative result on me. This is a normal, so there's no redirects.

I don't think you're such bad scum that you'd unnecessarily fake a claim which will get you lynched tomorrow.

The most reasonable explanation I can think of is that you're town JK, you jailed me last night, there was no kill, but you missed Clem's claim.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Or, lynch away, and die yourself tomorrow.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:44 am

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In post 725, Xtoxm wrote:Cl said he's "not town" and his "night action payed off" that's pretty heavy hinting
The time for hints is past. He's hinted enough that scum already have him marked as a PR. He needs to explicitly claim now. I'll gladly give myself up today to lynch scum tomorrow, but I don't want to see a town mistake result in two town deaths. And, if he's scum, I don't want him to have any weasel room tomorrow. Hell, if he makes a full claim and it shows me 100% guilty as he's said, I'll vote myself.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #60) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:45 am

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In post 728, Chateau Lobby wrote:You're wrong.
No, I'm not.

What was your night action? You've already softed enough that if you're town scum have you marked as a PR. There's no benefit in hiding it now.
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Post Post #739 (isolation #61) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:49 am

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In post 687, Chateau Lobby wrote:Awws.
That feeling when
Your
night
Action

Pays
Off.
In post 697, Chateau Lobby wrote:
In post 694, Clemency wrote:quite honestly i dont even care about persivul's alignment right now because i wanna settle this overkill-xtox mess and if he's bussing that's something we can be vary of later
Wow.

You are ignoring a
100%


On a 50-50

This is bad for you.
In post 699, Chateau Lobby wrote:
In post 698, Clemency wrote:it's not a 100% and you know it
it's not a matter of whats true or not, it's how you represent your case
your arrogance will be your undoing
It is 100%
In post 704, Chateau Lobby wrote:
In post 703, Clemency wrote:i'm going to defend persivul till the grave unless you give me a reason not to
100%
Not
Town
Just want this pointed out for the record.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #62) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:52 am

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In post 741, Clemency wrote:what exactly is your night action
^^This

Again, I really don't see scum motivation for this action. Seems more like stupid town.
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Post Post #745 (isolation #63) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:55 am

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In post 743, Xtoxm wrote:He wants pers to claim first. Which is fair
I didn't see him ask that. He has said three times he's got me 100%, so apparently he doesn't need me to claim.

But, FWIW, I'm VT.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #64) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:58 am

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I've literally gone back and checked my role pm twice now because CL seems so convinced.
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Post Post #747 (isolation #65) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:01 am

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In post 687, Chateau Lobby wrote:Awws.
That feeling when
Your night
Action
Pays
Off.
More like:

That sick feeling when
You reconsider your result and
Realize you fucked up and
Just outed yourself as a PR
For no good reason.
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Post Post #748 (isolation #66) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:23 am

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VOTE: Xtoxm

Can we get back to playing solid mafia now?
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Post Post #750 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:35 am

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In post 749, Chateau Lobby wrote: So you agree I'm PR.
Yes.
This is a scumslip.
No.

BTW, I received a piece of fruit last night.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #68) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:40 am

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In post 751, Not_Mafia wrote:Can we lynch overkill pls, there's no justice in the world if he lives to day 3, Persivul is always a good lynch though
I'm a good lynch if CL makes an explicit claim which he can't weasel out of tomorrow.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #69) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:41 am

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In post 752, Xtoxm wrote:Has me visiting 2 people neither of which were the apparent kill target
And why, after a full night to discuss it with his buddies, would scum!overkill do that?
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Post Post #757 (isolation #70) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:44 am

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In post 756, Chateau Lobby wrote: Do you think I am town PR?
You said you had a night action and I don't see any scum motivation for a faked result on me. So, yes, you're probably a (bad) town PR. You could also be scum or lying town, but those seem less likely.
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Post Post #760 (isolation #71) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:48 am

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In post 758, Chateau Lobby wrote: Why are you just now claiming to get fruit?
I just now remembered it. It has absolutely no relevance to my alignment.
Getting desperate?
Nope. Seems like you are though. :)
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Post Post #761 (isolation #72) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:49 am

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In post 759, Chateau Lobby wrote:
You said you had a night action and I don't see any scum motivation for a faked result on me. So, yes, you're probably a (bad) town PR. You could also be scum or lying town, but those seem less likely.
That hurts my feelings.
Are there other options?
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Post Post #765 (isolation #73) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:57 am

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In post 762, Chateau Lobby wrote:
In post 760, Persivul wrote:
In post 758, Chateau Lobby wrote: Why are you just now claiming to get fruit?
I just now remembered it. It has absolutely no relevance to my alignment.
How do you know that?
Because I've read the wiki on fruit vendor.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Fruit_Vendor

But if you have an argument to the contrary, feel free to present it.
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Post Post #766 (isolation #74) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:59 am

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In post 763, UnaBombaH wrote:Guys, let's sit down for a moment and let CL and Pers clear the air.

*grabs popcorn*
The air
Won't be cleared
Until CL
Makes an explicit
Claim for us to examine
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Post Post #771 (isolation #75) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:06 am

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In post 767, Chateau Lobby wrote: .... Loyal...

... Disloyal...

... Etc...
Just make a claim that you can't weasel out of tomorrow after I flip green, and I'll put a vote on myself.

Why are you so hesitant to explain your 100% accurate finding? Town shouldn't be afraid to put their neck on the line for a 100% sure scum lynch. You know that.
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Post Post #772 (isolation #76) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:07 am

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In post 768, stan1ey wrote:Why isnt everyone piling votes onto Persivul yet
Everyone should be requiring an explicit claim from CL. THEN, yes, they should pile votes on me.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #77) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:08 am

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In post 769, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 755, Persivul wrote:
In post 752, Xtoxm wrote:Has me visiting 2 people neither of which were the apparent kill target
And why, after a full night to discuss it with his buddies, would scum!overkill do that?
If I but he's shown already yesterday by messing up his claim that he's not exactly a sophisticated scum
I get that, but as noted, after two days to discuss with other scum buddies, wouldn't you think he'd have a more plausible claim?
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Post Post #776 (isolation #78) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:13 am

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In post 767, Chateau Lobby wrote: .... Loyal...
OK, so: you're a Loyal Fruit Vendor. You sent me fruit. You assumed that anyone who received fruit would necessarily say that in their first post. Since I didn't, you concluded I'm scum (the three 100% claims being absolute bullshit). Then, as we kept talking, I guessed that you were this obscure role, and then claimed to have received fruit.

You're either bad town, or bad scum.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #79) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:30 am

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I'm done with the guessing games. Make an explicit claim. Don't. Your choice. If I die today, you die tomorrow.
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Post Post #786 (isolation #80) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:37 am

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In post 785, stan1ey wrote:Every town player should vote Persivul in their next post. he is stalling
Stalling what? I've made my claim.
and trying to get a full claim out of CL before his inevitable lynch
Yes, of course I'm doing that. You should want that. A 1 for 1 is fine by me, but it's only a guaranteed 1 for 1 if CL explains his 100% night action based conclusion. If I flip green, do you want him to be able claim he made a mistake tomorrow?
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Post Post #791 (isolation #81) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:41 am

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In post 789, stan1ey wrote:he said its 100% there can be no mistake, if you flip green he's scum.
OK.

VOTE: Persivul

p-edit: yes, I received fruit
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Post Post #795 (isolation #82) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:43 am

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Image

Here I am, take me out!
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Post Post #796 (isolation #83) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:44 am

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You're also 100%...asshole.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #84) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:45 am

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VOTE: Xtoxm
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Post Post #806 (isolation #85) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:47 am

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Xtoxm today. If he flips green, Overkill tomorrow.
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Post Post #832 (isolation #86) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:19 am

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Uh, Sparky... you still have some reading to do. :)
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Post Post #842 (isolation #87) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:51 am

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In post 838, Almost50 wrote:Didi it not occur to you he might be a a Loyal Fruit Vendor?
Uhhh......cause I never heard of it. :)
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Post Post #844 (isolation #88) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:57 am

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In post 843, Almost50 wrote:My man.. the new fad is to extensively use the Loyal/Disloyal modifiers for Normal games.
I was gone for a year...
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Post Post #880 (isolation #89) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:47 am

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In post 872, joges wrote:
In post 757, Persivul wrote:
In post 756, Chateau Lobby wrote: Do you think I am town PR?
You said you had a night action and I don't see any scum motivation for a faked result on me. So, yes, you're probably a (bad) town PR. You could also be scum or lying town, but those seem less likely.
Wait.

Wait..

Wait...

Chateau has claimed a 100% Persival is NOT TOWN.

But it seems LESS LIKELY that they're LYING TOWN?

Wha?
In post 874, joges wrote:Can you explain what you mean by "Bad" town PR, Persivul?
My initial thought was that he's a legitimate town PR who misinterpreted his night action. That would be bad town.

Other possibilities that seemed less likely at the time were:
1. He was lying town. NOW that seems likely. He was probably just trying to rattle me into a slip. He was tunneling me yesterday.

2. He was really bad scum. This never seemed likely at all.
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Post Post #881 (isolation #90) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:48 am

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In post 877, joges wrote:WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE LYING?
Because, for better or for worse, Lynch All Liars has gone out of fashion.
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Post Post #885 (isolation #91) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:55 am

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In post 884, joges wrote:Sad if true.
If? I don't see wagons on Almost or Chateau.
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Post Post #895 (isolation #92) » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:48 am

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In post 894, Almost50 wrote: For better I'm sure. Scum lie all the time and try to deceive the Town. If we were supposed to act like innocent children we'd be eaten by the wolves 101% of the time. We had to develop our own deceitful ways to survive and catch scum. One of mine is to bait the NK as a VT which indirectly protects the TPRs for one extra night. It works fine, so I have no reason to stop doing it.

Sometimes it's done to trick Scum into inadvertently claiming Scum. Like, once I faked BG to bait the SK to claim they shot me rather than the Town Doctor (he claimed Vig and we had only one NK). He did, and
I outed he was 100% lying
because I was NOT BG,
so we lynched him.
OK, you're against Lynch All Liars, and you give an example in which you lynched someone...for lying.
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Post Post #957 (isolation #93) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:05 am

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In post 929, Rob14 wrote:
0verki11,
Town Two-Shot Tracker
, was lynched Day 2.

Night 2 has begun! Please submit all night actions within (expired on 2018-12-15 08:10:00) by PM or relevant PT.
Too many people trying for the trick play when they should be focusing on basic blocking and tackling. Cost us an investigation.

VOTE: Xtoxm

There's no point in delaying this. Scum know it's going to happen, so we're not going to get useful information today.
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Post Post #958 (isolation #94) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:08 am

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In post 949, Springtrap wrote:
In post 584, 0verki11 wrote:Xtoxm visited Stanley and Guyinafreezer, tyty for making me out what it most likely 2 TIs.
Mafia xtoxm hasn't visited Almost50, who you claimed to have healed. It can be assumed he actually attacked one of these 2 people. You admit to knowing Almost50 and he applauded you for seeing through his ruse. So you would see through it anyway if you are mafia.

I feel as if Clemency is claiming doctor as a way to cover himself in the future.
And this guy is where we start tomorrow.
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Post Post #959 (isolation #95) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:09 am

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Two more votes on Xtoxm please.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #96) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:10 am

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Intent isn't necessary.
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Post Post #967 (isolation #97) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:53 pm

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In post 965, Almost50 wrote:I mean, let's assume Una is indeed a Loyal FV, and he gave Persy fruit on N1.
Why would we assume that? Did Una make a claim I missed? I just searched his ISO for "fruit" and "vend" and there were no hits.
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Post Post #971 (isolation #98) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:12 pm

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In post 968, Almost50 wrote:Wait! I'm DUMB! :oops:

In my text file I put "Loyal Fruit Vendor" next to Una instead of Chateau. :facepalm:

NVM. Brain fart. Forget I said anything in that regard.
Dude...cut back on the number of games... :P
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Post Post #972 (isolation #99) » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:20 pm

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In post 961, Springtrap wrote:I'm bringing up the idea that he could possibly be a fake doctor from the evidence I see and my perspective. Why is that suspicious?
It's not about that post. It's about that weird post in twilight. And a basically empty ISO.
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Post Post #989 (isolation #100) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:00 am

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In post 984, Almost50 wrote:Think about it. Town has a JOAT, Loyal Fruit Vendor & a Tracker. Where's our protective?
N1 our protective was on Stanley or GIF.
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Post Post #990 (isolation #101) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:09 am

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In post 983, joges wrote:I'm a Town Jack of All Trades. I had the following 1 shot abilities. Follower, Watcher, Motion Detector.
N1 I Motion Detector Springtrap, I did not sense motion.
N2 I Watcher Clemency, got No Result.
N3 I Follower UnaBombaH, they did not motion.

I think Clemency lied about being roleblocked because I was roleblocked on N2.

My claim looks shit thanks to N3. But, that's what I've got this game.

VOTE: Clemency
I doubt scum has more than one RB. I doubt Clemency has another unclaimed power (such as Ascetic) on top of doctor.

VOTE: Clemency

If he's scum rather than town doc, Almost is obviously the partner. The way he's flailing already today, this seems pretty likely.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #102) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:15 am

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In post 984, Almost50 wrote:Why would Clemency lie about being RB'd when he could've simply claimed he protected me again?
Preemptive explanation in case he was motion detected or something.
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #103) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:20 am

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In post 995, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Persivul
In post 997, Not_Mafia wrote:Have fun with Persivul in LyLo/MyLo
All you've done this game is tunnel the town tracker. Remember how you were doing that while I was saying
No, give him a night for a result
and then
No, lynch xtox first
? :roll:
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #104) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:18 am

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Living players

GuyInFreezer
Not_Mafia
stan1ey
Almost50
Persivul
Gamma Emerald
Clemency
joges
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GuyInFreezer and stan1ey are conftown from overkill's result & xtoxm's flip.

One of Clemency/joges should be scum, the other safely town, if joges confirms the nature of his N2 result.

Assuming 3 scum and a vig (as opposed to a SK) that leaves 1 in:

Not_Mafia, Almost50, Persivul, Gamma Emerald

Since xtoxm was a scum PR and overkill was a town PR, scum had an interest in keeping xtoxm alive for one more night rather than bussing. People from those 4 on the overkill lynch:

Not_Mafia, Almost50

So, scum is likely:
One of Clemency/joges (of these two, joges was on overkill lynch, but I don't see scum motive for a 1v1 with town!Clemency)
One of Not_Mafia/Almost50
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #105) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:21 am

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What's the scum motivation to put himself in the spotlight and set up a 1v1 with Clem?
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #106) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:46 am

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In post 1010, Clemency wrote:not to mention you have no other way to explain why nobody died n1, and i doubt anyone has the co-ordination to plan such a high effort, yet incredibly bold bluff as to not use the first nk to then claim doctor day 2
The first person I think of regarding a bold high-effort bluff is A50. You know, the guy who bluffed macho, yet you saw through it and protected him, hence no kill N1. Except we now know the N1 kill target was stanley or GiF.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #107) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:48 am

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In post 1018, Clemency wrote:this is the perfect day for a scum setup like this to capitalize on the mistakes i've made this game
I'm leaning to you being scum, and your mistake was going through with the doc claim on A50 plan when overkill's 2-target claim on xtoxm meant that GiF or stanley was the N1 kill target, not A50.
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #108) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:50 am

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In post 1025, Clemency wrote:
In post 1023, joges wrote: Lynch me, I've done my part.
idc who you are, this will always be a scumclaim to me
it's the simplest wifom in the book
I don't recall you saying that when I did the same thing regarding Chateau.
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #109) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:54 am

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You know that if you flip green we'll go after joges, right? Why aren't you happy with that?
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #110) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:57 am

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I dunno, maybe because in the Newbies they teach you (or should be teaching you) that a 1 for 1 is beneficial to town?
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #111) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:02 am

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In post 1036, Clemency wrote:you're clearly trying to get me to back down so i don't defend myself against these claims
No, I'm trying to get other people to vote you, because I don't see scum motivation for joges to 1v1 you, but I did see scum motivation for your unnecessary claim on D2.
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #112) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:39 am

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How do you figure that?

For the umpteenth time...why does scum!joges set up a 1v1 with you? Makes no sense. I can see joges town and you scum. There's a lower chance that you're both town. But I don't see joges as scum.
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #113) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:04 am

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Lynching joges makes no sense. This is lynching overkill first all over again.

I'm not even sure anymore that Clem/joges must contain scum.
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Post Post #1064 (isolation #114) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:10 am

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VOTE: Almost50
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #115) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:13 am

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In post 1072, joges wrote:Town need to stay on course here and remember this. It makes no sense to dig up a case on someone else out of the blue when
it's clear Clem or I need to go today
. I do not like A50 and Pers deciding to target each other out of the blue.
Here's the thing: that's not so clear after all.

Consider: from your POV (and I believe you), town had a tracker PLUS an investigative JOAT.

Is it then impossible for scum to have a RB PLUS a JOAT with a RB shot?

If you're sold on that and CLEM is going to be the lynch, I'll consider voting there. But I'm not voting YOU today, when your green flip wouldn't guarantee a Clem red flip.

With A50's behavior today, I'm reasonably sure he's scum, but I'm no longer so sure that Clem is his partner.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #116) » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:23 pm

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@joges: with the number of kills, a 1X vig seems much more likely than a SK
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Post Post #1090 (isolation #117) » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:19 am

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In post 1089, Almost50 wrote:a 4-2 situation
:?
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #118) » Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:41 am

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A50 or CLem.
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #119) » Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:10 pm

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In post 1109, Almost50 wrote:VOTE GAMMA EMERALD. HE IS PRETTY ACTIVE ON SITE BUT AVOIDING THIS THREAD.
Is he known for doing that as scum?
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #120) » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:38 am

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VOTE: Clem

I believe that's L-1.
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #121) » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:54 am

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I'm leaving shortly for a camping trip and won't have internet for a few days. We are apparently in mylo. Before I go I want to say that IMO we should NOT no lynch today. They're just going to NK stanley tonight. I'd rather lynch today and have his input.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #122) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:02 pm

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In post 1151, stan1ey wrote:Persivul youre the only one i trust lemme know what u think
I'm back. You're theory looks good. Gamma calling for massclaim after doing nothing for a long time, and A50 voting for joges after you'd set up the idea of a joges mislynch, are both really scummy. BUT, N_M has been extremely scummy all game as well. I'll be doing some ISOs etc. over the next few days.
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #123) » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:42 pm

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You think A50 and NM.

Stan thinks A50 and Gamma. BTW, seems like too few kills for a SK.

I think A50 and one of NM/Gamma.

Common factor is A50. Currently I'm favoring his lynch.

@Gamma:
what are your reads?
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Post Post #1186 (isolation #124) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:53 am

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In post 1184, Not_Mafia wrote:Told you guys to lynch Persivul
Who else is scum?
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Post Post #1187 (isolation #125) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:55 am

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In post 1185, stan1ey wrote:both NM and A50 tried to lynch outside of the 1v1 yesterday, i think we should lynch gamma
A50 was taking potshots anywhere. He wasn't "trying to lynch" anyone in particular.
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Post Post #1190 (isolation #126) » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:53 am

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In post 1188, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1186, Persivul wrote:
In post 1184, Not_Mafia wrote:Told you guys to lynch Persivul
Who else is scum?
I never said you were scum
Er, OK, then...who do you think the scum are?
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Post Post #1194 (isolation #127) » Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:50 am

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In post 928, Rob14 wrote:
Vote Count #2.2 (FINAL):


0verki11: Not_Mafia, joges, Almost50, Clemency, Springtrap, UnaBombaH, Xtoxm (7)

Xtoxm:
Gamma Emerald, Persivul, Chateau Lobby, stan1ey, GuyInFreezer (5)

Not Voting:
0verki11

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


V/LA:
None.

Deadline:
(expired on 2018-12-25 21:35:00)
Gamma was on xtoxm here when most people wanted overkill.

So, can we lynch either A50 or NM today?
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #128) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:02 am

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In post 1204, joges wrote:IF Stan is not a SK he is still NOT scum. There is literally 0% chance he is scum. Why would a mafia multitasking rolecop visit another mafia?
This, and A50 is adept enough at setup (he thrives on it) to know that.

VOTE: A50
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Post Post #1213 (isolation #129) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:56 am

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In post 1209, stan1ey wrote:So it appears I forgot to mention I am also bulletproof. sorry for the error hope you all understand x
WTF, what exactly are you?
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #130) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:18 am

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What's the commuting limitation?
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #131) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:47 am

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Has anyone claimed vig? We still have two N3 kills to explain.
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #132) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:27 am

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Note that the fruit vendor himself believed me, and even sheeped my CORRECT vote on xtoxm, while you, A50, and NM were lynching the town tracker.
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #133) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:44 am

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In post 1241, Almost50 wrote:@Stanley: You see, it's you bad arguments coupled with you really iffy claim that keeps me going back to you being Scum. You don't make much sense to me at all.
If he's scum, why did xtoxm visit him?
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #134) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:42 am

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In post 1248, Almost50 wrote:It would. I mean we both seem to agree Stanley is suspicious. It's whether we lynch him (to decrease swing by removing a NK) or keep him (hoping he hits Scum) that we seem to have different views on, and I'm fine yielding to your PoV provided we still lynch Scum!Percy. Once lynched it will become apparent he was defending Stanley and Stanley was defending him and we will finally agree to lynch Stanley if he is not NK'd already.
If stanley is 3P, then now it's 3:2:1.

If we lynch him, it's 3:2 going into night. Scum win.

You know that.
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #135) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:46 am

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Recent game in which NM was scum, survived to end and won, and only had 37 total posts:
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=77781

In this one he was town, lynched D2, and made 52 posts:
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77441

TBF that doesn't say a ton because in both games he mostly did as he did here: kept calling for someone's lynch without reasons.

p-edit: check the town game. No, his reads weren't good. If he's town in this game, check his tunnel on the town tracker.
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #136) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:23 am

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You never said much of anything except
lynch overkill
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Post Post #1259 (isolation #137) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:34 am

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LMAO
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Post Post #1287 (isolation #138) » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:58 pm

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In post 1284, joges wrote:If we lynch mafia today and there is only 1 night kill, then things might look up for us. But if there is a SK and mafia and him choose different targets, and sk doesn't hit mafia? it's 1v1v1 and we lose. Odds are stacked.
It's also crossed my mind that, if there's a SK, town might not have a winning scenario absent a mistake. I didn't spell it out because, you know... people make mistakes.

But, if that's the case, I'd rather SK win than scum.
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #139) » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:56 am

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In post 1288, stan1ey wrote:
In post 1272, joges wrote:So no one claiming to be a vig for the extra kill.
Is it too late for me to change my claim to bulletproof vig?
Doesn't really matter. If you're SK we still don't lynch you today.
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Post Post #1294 (isolation #140) » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:11 am

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Pretty sure joges is going to over-analyze this for 4 more days.
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Post Post #1312 (isolation #141) » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:58 pm

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In post 1305, joges wrote:I can't leave Not Mafia,
I'd rather lynch A50 today. His play has been actively scummy, whereas NM has been his typical useless self. But apparently that's not going to happen.

VOTE: Not Mafia
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #142) » Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:16 pm

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In post 1313, stan1ey wrote:Can we not lynch anyone until we have decided what we think happened night 2
How are we going to do that? It's just speculation as not everyone is being truthful with their claim.
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #143) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:24 am

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In post 1315, stan1ey wrote:Surely there is only a limited amount of scenarios which make 2 peoples night actions fail
Feel free to run them out yourself.

When joges set up the 1v1, I noted that since (if his claim is true) town had a full tracker and an investigative JOAT, it's not implausible that scum have a RB and a JOAT with a similar function. I just don't see that talking about it more is going to help solve the game at this point. It's not like we're in an open or semi-open and can figure it all out.
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #144) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:02 pm

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In post 1324, joges wrote:So N_M has 3 votes and no one has hammered. So either he is scum, or both scum are on his wagon currently. Fair?
Yep, that's what I was thinking too.
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #145) » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:14 pm

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In post 1330, joges wrote::facepalm: It's so A50 and Persivul, isn't it
That's ridiculous. I would lynch A50 in a heartbeat.
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #146) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:10 am

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In post 1332, Not_Mafia wrote:Persivul, vote Gamma
You can't say "Lynch Persivul" over and over in every game we play, then expect me to follow you.
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #147) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:35 am

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In post 1334, Not_Mafia wrote:Well you're refusing to lynch scum right now
There's more than one scum. Want to lynch A50?
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Post Post #1337 (isolation #148) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:00 am

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In post 1336, Not_Mafia wrote:No, we already know both scum were on my wagon
That's only if you're town. Seeing as I'm voting you, I'm obviously not convinced of that. I'd say it's A50 plus one of you/Gamma.
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #149) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:11 am

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In post 1338, Not_Mafia wrote:Vote Gamma then
Like I said... you can't be a douche to me all the time, then think I'm going to follow you. There is a social aspect to this game you know.
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #150) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:26 am

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In post 1340, Not_Mafia wrote:If you want to throw your toys out of the pram and gamethrow that's your prerogative but don't (threaten to) throw and then moan about me advocating for your lynch pre-LyLo for that exact reason
Maybe if, you know, you actually did town things during the game, you'd have more pull with people now.

Read your own ISO. A third of it is pushing the lynch of the town tracker. There's like 10 posts pushing me, even though from the above you obviously think/know I'm town.
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #151) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:00 am

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In post 1342, Not_Mafia wrote:Even thought you’re proving my point that you should have been lynched by actively refusing to lynch scum
I'm not refusing to lynch scum.

I think
you're
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Why wouldn't I?

I have a stronger scum read on A50, but you're
actively refusing
to help me lynch him.
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #152) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:27 am

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In post 928, Rob14 wrote:
Vote Count #2.2 (FINAL):


0verki11: Not_Mafia, joges, Almost50, Clemency, Springtrap, UnaBombaH, Xtoxm (7)

Xtoxm:
Gamma Emerald, Persivul, Chateau Lobby, stan1ey, GuyInFreezer (5)

Not Voting:
0verki11

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


V/LA:
None.

Deadline:
(expired on 2018-12-25 21:35:00)
So, the idea is that Gamma was on her scum buddy PR instead of the town PR.

Scum knew that overkill was truly a tracker. In the 1v1 between him and xtoxm, they had high incentive to keep overkill from another investigation.
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #153) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:28 am

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You're arguing a tone read over cold hard facts.
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Post Post #1362 (isolation #154) » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:53 pm

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In post 1350, Not_Mafia wrote:Overkill wasn’t a threat in the slightest
The guy who caught scum N1 wasn't a threat in the slightest?
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #155) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:09 am

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In post 1363, Not_Mafia wrote:Nope, now vote Gamma
Not happening. I'm voting A50 or you.
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #156) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:15 am

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16 hours left


stan, vote NM
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #157) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:24 am

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Yes, that's unlikely.
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Post Post #1372 (isolation #158) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:41 am

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It's obvious but I'll confirm that I'll vote A50.
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #159) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:02 am

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Would still need gamma.

Gamma? A50?
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Post Post #1375 (isolation #160) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:17 am

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In post 1374, stan1ey wrote:I'd rather lynch Gamma
WTF, why talk compromise then back pedal?
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Post Post #1376 (isolation #161) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:18 am

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If you're SK, you better have BPs left, because otherwise you lose if we don't lynch. Run the numbers.
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Post Post #1382 (isolation #162) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:57 am

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Yeah, I was ambiguous. I was noting that we would also need Gamma in order to lynch A50, so my question was to Gamma, and meant "Are you willing to lynch A50?"

My bad.
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Post Post #1383 (isolation #163) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:03 am

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In post 1380, joges wrote:Something about Gamma tells me she is town.
Her D2 play re: overkill v. xtoxm makes her town to me.
I scum read NM the most, I know Stan is SK, and A50 refuses to lynch NM.. Scum know they'll likely lose if one of them is lynched to day. So using that excuse makes sense. So, I would lynch either A50 or NM as I'm about as confident as I can be that they're the remaining mafia.
Agreed, except I haven't completely ruled out Stan as town vig. His claims come across as crap, but: there's only been one double kill, which seems more in accord with a limited shot vig than a SK; and, the claims might have been a botched attempt at making scum guess whether he still has protection of some sort.
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #164) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:05 am

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In post 1381, joges wrote:A50 probably switched accounts early on because NM was scum and expected him to play like this. Meaning A50 couldn't use the powers account which I think people mentioned is more of a troll account?
I don't think NM bosses A50 around. I think your theory on a good scum team and his stats makes more sense. I din't consider it that likely before, but if it's A50/NM/xtoxm, yeah, it does make sense.
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #165) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:16 am

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IMO there's about a 1 in 3 chance that A50/NM make an eleventh hour mason claim.
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #166) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:17 am

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In post 1385, joges wrote:I meant that A50 expected NM to play like this, so switched accounts to avoid a scum team comprising Xtoxm, a mute, and a troll.
LOL - xtoxm, a mute, and a troll walk into a bar... :lol:
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Post Post #1391 (isolation #167) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:18 am

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In post 1388, joges wrote:I'd rather lynch NM, but A50 would be my second choice. One of the two need to be lynched.
Agreed, but stanley and gamma aren't being cooperative.
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Post Post #1392 (isolation #168) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:19 am

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In post 1389, joges wrote:There is a 3 in 3 chance I wouldn't believe the claim.
Me neither, but it's the kind of thing A50 would do. Note in his ISO he's said in bold that he doesn't vote NM. He'd say that was a mason crumb.
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #169) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:25 am

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VOTE: A50
If you're town or SK, get on board the lynch train!
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Post Post #1400 (isolation #170) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:48 am

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In post 1397, Not_Mafia wrote:Joges posting is absolute drivel it’s Gamma+joges scum and Stanley SK Zzzzzz, not voting anyone not named Gamma
Look at . Me and stanley were on A50. Now scroll up. gamma and joges were both on and talking alone. They could have easily moved onto A50.
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #171) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:13 am

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In post 1405, joges wrote:I'm going to think about this for a moment and come back. 9 hours until deadline.
I'll be on and off for the next 5 hours. I have to have a final vote in by then, whether A50 or NM.
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Post Post #1410 (isolation #172) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:21 am

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In post 1409, stan1ey wrote:Persivul why are you so against lynching Gamma



Your question seems disingenuous, as these were posted in the last 24 hours.
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #173) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:27 am

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Why are you against an A50 lynch, when you previously said you're certain it's gamma/A50?

If you have gamma/A50 and others have NM/A50, the obvious lynch for today is A50.
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Post Post #1413 (isolation #174) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:27 am

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In post 1411, stan1ey wrote:Ok fair, but i have seen that reason thrown around a lot this game and i dont think its very good
And I don't think your voting within/without the 1v1 reasoning is very good.
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #175) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:09 am

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This is apparently going to no lynch.
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Post Post #1429 (isolation #176) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:18 pm

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Apparently we're in the hands of the night actions now.
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #177) » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:06 pm

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So, A50/Gamma scum team?
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Post Post #1476 (isolation #178) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:44 am

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VOTE: Almost50
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Post Post #1478 (isolation #179) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:01 am

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In post 1477, joges wrote:That SK flip having all that power... It could make sense now we only need one more scum, right?
No.
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Post Post #1480 (isolation #180) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:55 am

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You know damn well it will end if you lynch me.
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #181) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:03 pm

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Of course not. Don't play dumb.
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Post Post #1491 (isolation #182) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:47 pm

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In post 1484, joges wrote:Over 12 hours of a vote on A50 means either he is scum or Pers is scum. If A50 is town and Pers is town there would be a hammer by now. Assuming two scum left.
That's the intent. Although why do you assume two scum left after proposing there was only one a little while ago? Also, why did A50 jump on that proposal when he knows damn well that 10:3:1 is much, much more likely than 11:2:1?
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #183) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:49 pm

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In post 1486, joges wrote:I think I am ready to vote Persivul.

Had A50 immediately cross voted, something both did yesterday a lot, I think it would be A50 as scum. The fact he didn’t means he isn’t sure about it and that tells me he is town.
LMAO - have you read anything he's said today? He is openly proclaiming he's 100% sure of me. He isn't voting because he wants to be available for a hammer if I get to L-1.
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #184) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:50 pm

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In post 1487, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1481, Almost50 wrote:Is that a scum claim?
I thought so for a second, but it’s not
Damn right it's not. Everyone knows that we're highly likely to be in 3:2 lylo. Why are joges and A50 pretending otherwise?
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Post Post #1494 (isolation #185) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:56 am

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In post 1490, joges wrote:VOTE: pers
Scum team A50/joges. They're going to claim that, since I had a vote on A50 and I was being voted by joges, but neither went to lynch, I must be scum.
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Post Post #1495 (isolation #186) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:58 am

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In post 1488, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1484, joges wrote:Over 12 hours of a vote on A50 means either he is scum or Pers is scum. If A50 is town and Pers is town there would be a hammer by now. Assuming two scum left.
THANK YOU! Now since I know my own alignment you'd probably understand why I won't lynch anyone else.
So why aren't you voting me?
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Post Post #1496 (isolation #187) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:27 am

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In post 1494, Persivul wrote:Scum team A50/joges. They're going to claim that, since I had a vote on A50 and I was being voted by joges, but neither went to lynch, I must be scum.
Meh, looking at joges' ISO, he went to an awful lot of work if he's scum.
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #188) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:33 am

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In post 928, Rob14 wrote:
Vote Count #2.2 (FINAL):


0verki11: Not_Mafia, joges, Almost50,
Clemency, Springtrap, UnaBombaH
,
Xtoxm
(7)[/b]
Show of hands - how many people think the only scum on the Overkill lynch was the final vote?
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #189) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:38 am

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Hey joges, do you think the overkill lynch was completely town driven, with scum just coming on for the hammer?
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Post Post #1500 (isolation #190) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:16 am

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Who's his partner?
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #191) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:27 am

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You wish
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Post Post #1508 (isolation #192) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:23 pm

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In post 1504, joges wrote:Persivul, you know you are confirmed scum to me now, unless there is only one left?
Yes, and you know that you're confirmed scum to me now, right?

TBF it could be that scum haven't been on together to lynch. Life happens. Otherwise, two out of {pers, joges, A50} are scum. I'm hoping that NM and Gamma can see the obvious in that overkill lynch. There's no way that was completely driven by town.
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Post Post #1509 (isolation #193) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

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In post 1506, Not_Mafia wrote:Why are we not lynching Gamma?
Why are you so useless?
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Post Post #1515 (isolation #194) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:00 am

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In post 1511, joges wrote:Hey, NM. It's your chance to put your vote where your mouth is and show us all how you were right all along.
He's said I'm town all along.
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #195) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:54 am

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Gamma shows as not being on since you L-1'd me, so no conclusions can be drawn until she's been on. If she hammers, that's game. If she doesn't, it's you/A50.
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Post Post #1519 (isolation #196) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:44 am

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GG scum.

You're not all 3 scum, so who blew it?
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Post Post #1521 (isolation #197) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:55 am

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NSS
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #198) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:59 am

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I would have been pissed to be scum in 11:2:1, regardless of the powers.
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Post Post #1562 (isolation #199) » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:22 pm

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In post 1558, mastina wrote:You lynched TWO of the town's key PRs, with a third outed early and easily dispatched, and the fourth also rendered moot. Plus, you identified the serial killer from N1 instantly, and via knowing you had two members in a 14-player game, could easily deduce even before the second nightkill that it was in fact a serial killer.
And yet still lost. Unbalanced.
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