Booneytoonz IX - Under The Sea -- Game Over!

[Wisdom]

kaito isnt scum and neither am i
you have to be really bad to think either of these

[Wisdom]

and if you believe there is a 0 possibility that kaito and maki are tvt here then maki is the scum 200% of the time

[Chara]

because you're scum

sheep was just poe but someone pointed out he pushed you earlier so hes prolly not scum with you

it was me who pointed it out! :>

sort of regret my attitude to davesaz in light of this, but hindsight is 20/20.
i've found myself trying to find a third option to avoid lynching Wisdom or Elsa, but i can't find a satisfying one. i think i'm just not wanting to be wrong, again.

pedit: i don't know Wisdom, the best way to read you is by your reads, and right now they're not very good.

peditx2: that's actually a better take, at least.

[Wisdom]

why would you avoid Elsa

[Wisdom]

and how do you know if my reads are good or not

[Chara]

"i think i'm just not wanting to be wrong, again."

[Wisdom]

like if we go by flips then I said one zillion times Nikk was town

so yeah

[Chara]

and how do you know if my reads are good or not

they're not that bad, you were right on Nikk iirc.
the Maki read is what i was thinking of, though it's forgivable for a day 1 tunnel to be on town.
i understood where you were coming from day 1, even with Maki, but today your reads seem to be very reactive. i don't know how best to explain it. i may have been putting too much weight onto the read on me, and that you had Elsa as a sheep partner, now that i'm actually quantifying everything.

pedit: yes.

[Chara]

i don't think any of the millers are fake. davesaz is the most likely fake miller though, i do agree with that. the claim timing fits and what he's saying fits. and if he's scum you surely aren't.
Elsa is a scumpick for me despite his reasonable posts this phase, which might be throwing me off? how exactly are you reading him? i think he's closer to scum than town due to the survivability thing, but that's all i have.
Clemency's panicked claim was pretty towny, i think. i don't think he would lie about being a PR even as scum, and his fear that Kaito was "lying" felt real. if he was scum and knew he was a PR, he wouldn't have felt as threatened by Kaito's fake, i think.

[Chara]

i'm bad at reading Fire (hi Fire!) but i'd put him closer to townish.

[Firebringer]

Hi Chara!

[Wisdom]

i dont understand

you think elsa is scum yet you want to find someone other than elsa to lynch?

[Chara]

how are you? i'm dealing with too much snow here.

pedit: not quite, Wisdom. where's my vote right now?
i meant that i'm wanting a third option so i don't need to be responsible for the lynch, which is obviously not a great thing. i guess that's rather confusing, but my read confidence has suffered in my last few games and i'm trying to battle against that.

[Wisdom]

whatever
i do not like you constantly jumping all over the place. You cannot scumread elsa one moment and posit that me and kaito are scum the next.

[Chara]

i don't want to be indecisive either, it's terrible.
i think they're both viable options for this game right now, and if one of you or Kaito flips scum i would heavily suspect the other. but i find Elsa being scum more likely. i don't expect you to identify with the feeling, but i rarely have unshakeable confidence in scumreads. townreads, yes.

[Elsa Jay]

Chara don't be indecisive, that's how scum (Wisdom) can eventually get a mislynch on you.

From my perspective, Wisdom is setting up a lynch on you now. Dont let that slide.

[Wisdom]

not quite, im actually back to townleaning her

[Wisdom]

also your push on me is transparently scum motivated

you just assign scum motivations to things i do now

[Pink Ball]

This game can't be solved without a mod

[Elsa Jay]

I was more in the camp that it can't be solved with half the playerlist leaving, but to each their own.

[Elsa Jay]

also your push on me is transparently scum motivated

you just assign scum motivations to things i do now

Is me assigning scum motivations worse then you repeating "elsa is scum" for no reason and never giving evidence when pressed any better?

If I have to be scummy to get you killed then so be it. I'm naturally scummy anyway.

[Wisdom]

Unofficial VC

Wisdom (3): Pink Ball, Clemency, Elsa Jay
Elsa Jay (2): Wisdom, Chara
Kaito Momota (2): Maki Harukawa, sheepsaysmeep
Lady Angel (2): Kaito Momota, Firebringer
sheepsaysmeep (1): Creature

Not Voting: Lady Angel, davesaz, Frozen Angel

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Wisdom]

im not saying you're scummy

im saying you're clearly scum

you are just pointing to things I am doing and saying "wisdom is scum doing x" without that making any sense

[Chara]

Chara don't be indecisive, that's how scum (Wisdom) can eventually get a mislynch on you.

From my perspective, Wisdom is setting up a lynch on you now. Dont let that slide.

he was doing that earlier and i called him town for it. what did you think of my reasoning then?

and nobody can get a lynch on me, anyway, though that's not relevant to the argument.

[Elsa Jay]

im not saying you're scummy

im saying you're clearly scum

you are just pointing to things I am doing and saying "wisdom is scum doing x" without that making any sense

Yours still not making any sense to me, so I guess we're even on that front.

Unfortunately I was more focused on Kaito to notice that before, Chara.