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Post Post #2500 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:58 am

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Votecount 2.4

Creature(5)
~ (17), (26), (8), (16), (8)

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Not Voting (4): jjh927(4), Mewtaph(2), ProFlavor(14), u r a person 2(17)

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Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-28 06:03:56)


MOD REMINDERSCreature needs a prod. The last post was at: 1/20/2019 6:15:00 AM which was 3 days 7 hours 42 minutes 29 seconds ago.

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Post Post #2501 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:46 am

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I want to clarify the case on creature

His scum meta is to not post, but lately he maybe is posting a little more as scum

so people on his wagon are meta reading him for posting a bit and then not posting?

Do I have that right?
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Post Post #2502 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:41 am

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My scumcase is based on Taly and it was not a meta read. I think Chara meta townread Taly
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Post Post #2503 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:42 am

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In post 2502, pinturicchio wrote:My scumcase is based on Taly and it was not a meta read. I think Chara meta townread Taly
mind pointing me to this?
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Post Post #2504 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:43 am

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sorry brain farted for a moment there
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Post Post #2505 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:46 am

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I can link you to the first post I started talking about Taly; iirc, it was when I caught up
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Post Post #2506 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:47 am

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no i found it. for a split second there i forgot creature was taly and yeah. thanks mate
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Post Post #2507 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:53 am

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Np. By the way URAP2, you're one of the slots I reevaluated after STW's flip. The tinfoil hat kept me whispering that you were both scum, but since STW was town, your interactions with them seems legit. I mean, I already had you as a townlean, but that's stronger now, so if you wanna jam about anything let's do it
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Post Post #2508 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:57 am

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To me, the case on Creature is he "tried" to post more. He can sometimes do that (as scum) when the game offers him no pressure, but as soon as there's a relative chance he might "slip" is any way he stops posting, and that's what he did here. Creature did not "flake the site" either. He is pretty much active all over the place, and has been logging in 2-3 times a day regularly, but he is avoiding this thread in particular which is 100% his scum meta.

I am not even using my pkayerlist movement analysis which also indicates Creature is scum with Mew & Koki.

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Post Post #2509 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:07 am

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In post 2502, pinturicchio wrote:My scumcase is based on Taly and it was not a meta read. I think Chara meta townread Taly
while this is true, i am known to be wrong. happily going along with Almost on this one, i know Creature is able to post as scum for some time, now.
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Post Post #2510 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:11 pm

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In post 2509, Almost Chara wrote:
In post 2502, pinturicchio wrote:My scumcase is based on Taly and it was not a meta read. I think Chara meta townread Taly
while this is true, i am known to be wrong. happily going along with Almost on this one, i know Creature is able to post as scum for some time, now.
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Yeah I was just stating the fact 'cause URAP2 talked about metareads on Creature and I was making the point that my read was not based on meta, not trying to say that you were being inconsistent or something along those lines.
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Post Post #2511 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:14 pm

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In post 2508, Almost Chara wrote: I am not even using my playerlist movement analysis which also indicates Creature is scum with Mew & Koki.

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Have you thought about how Meph was killed? OK2's flavor gave hints on who made the night kill; in here, Meph died "by Marine Fire", maybe meaning that the kill was done by a ground unit. Not sure if this helps since I don't have a role that give more info about how the kills are done/avoided, but maybe it can help on your movement analysis.
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Post Post #2512 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:05 pm

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VOTE: creature
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #2513 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:45 pm

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Post Post #2514 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:46 pm

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@pintu: With a non-existent knowledge of the flavour as I have I'd rather leave the "flavour analysis" to those in the know.

I'm going by traditional scum hunting coupled with a pure mechanical approach. Someone claimed Vig and mod confirmed we have a Vig (not necessarily the one that claimed but with no CC it most likely is). That Vig shot someone and missed. It wasn't due to the target's own abilities (as proven by their flip later), so someone else is responsible for that. Then we have a movement mechanic that I'm sure the mod didn't just toss in for lolz or to get themselves overworked with unneeded extra "sorting" that has nothing to do with the game. I understand when a mod decides to do the extra work for FLAVOUR, but what's the point of an ordered list with movement abilities?

So, I am trying to analyze the movements themselves. Why someone move up/down or stayed put.

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Post Post #2515 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:54 pm

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Ok, fair. Yeah the movement thing has to be important, I just threw the flavour analysis for whoever can do something about it, I thought maybe it could be important for you since you claimed having a powerful role at the begining of the game.

That being said, how is Mewtaph going down the list different from what you did by going down 6 slots?
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Post Post #2516 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:09 pm

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so the marine fire tells me we're playing against terran.

I agree the movement is probably important.

I would be highly amused if one of the scum is a siege tank - when they are in siege mode they can't move - with a movement of 0.

I don't think anyone should stand still tonight

zerg have lurkers, which have a similar mechanic, but siege tanks are more associated with this trait than lurkers, for whatever reason.
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Post Post #2517 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:13 pm

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So i read through taly/creature/pintu's discussion of taly

And I'm not with you pintu on everything you talk about. Like, I wasn't bothered with how he engaged Alchemist, but I did relate with some of what you were talking about with "town read me" quotes

I hate this wagon. This game feels very quiet for the current game state.

But I'm going to but a 24 clock on this wagon anyway and see what happens!

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Post Post #2518 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:16 pm

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I don't like the wagon either, you're right on that
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Post Post #2519 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:16 pm

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In post 2515, pinturicchio wrote:you since you claimed having a powerful role at the begining of the game.
:lol: WOW! Someone really believed my sarcasm to be a genuine claim! (Hint: I said later that we can move up and down the list. That's it. I was being sarcastic because I didn't even know how important the positioning might be).

Anyway, we have been open about our role as well as our reads. Compare Mew's ISO to ours to get the idea. We moved down by 6 bc we felt if we stayed put or moved up/down by 1-2 steps it might have not been noticed. Like, -just for the sake of illustrating- do you know what would have happened if everybody moved down one notch? NOTHING. Why? #1 steps below #2, then #steps down below #1 again. Then #3 moves below #4 and #4 regains their old position next, and so on.

Also notice that we are looking for that someone that blocked Varsoon's shot, and I know it wasn't us, so I am looking for someone who has been close enough to STW and has moved towards where the Vig was (they probably didn't expect Varsoon to jump up 7 notches).

Finally, even if all this doesn't make much sense to you (it does to me, but we both know I'm not the most articulate player of all), I am now voting Creature not Mew.

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Post Post #2520 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:04 pm

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Prod-dodging

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Post Post #2521 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:05 pm

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Krazy is still town
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Post Post #2522 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:06 pm

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lmao I see I got an issue
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Post Post #2523 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:06 pm

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Who did Varsoon attempt to shoot?
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Post Post #2524 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:08 pm

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@A50 Yeah the "I know it wasn't us who blocked Varsoon's shot" makes sense and yes, you've been more open with your role than Mew, but you think Mew should be more open too? And also, why did you want to be noticed by moving a lot? I don't get that part.
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