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Post Post #6075 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:55 am

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In post 6071, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 6067, mcqueen wrote:
In post 6061, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 6039, mcqueen wrote:
In post 6034, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 6027, mcqueen wrote:because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?
TLK's alignment doesn't matter. Even if he's town his role is meant to be lynched
no one has adequately answered my question (nev and max got close):

If TLK is townread (assuming), keeping him alive forces scum to die if they want him gone at any point. So he’s basically safe until lylo. why is this a bad thing?

If he’s scumread, then lynch away
Why is it a bad thing to bring a claimed SS to lylo? The same reason it's a bad idea to let the claimed traitor... sorry Miller... live to lylo.

And maybe I misunderstood something, but if scum target a SS for the nk does that have any adverse effect on the shooter?
If someone claims Miller but ends up being a strong townread, why is it so bad having them alive?

Then that goes for the SS, too (remember it’s hypothetical since tlk is not widely townread)

I thought the shooter dies, too, but i could be wrong, if i am wrong, disregard my entire argument lol.
Because the roles are created and used to set up misinformation and sow dissent. Miller is someone who doesn't investigate as town. So if a cop looks at them they are going to out themselves and yell scum the best day. They lynch the Miller and he shows up town. Then they lynch the cop or the scum can kill him now.

If we have the ability to sort 2 slots and then get a shit ton of associative reads for tomorrow then I am all for it. Especially when those roles are created for just this type of situation. We can just solve it in a manner where we don't have to out anymore PRs.
Ok i think i’ll move my vote back to tlk

VOTE: tlk
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Post Post #6076 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:44 am

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In post 6070, Xtoxm wrote:there are reasons to suspect mcqueen
but fluffing isnt one of them
This dance move is incredibly unsafe. (see: scummy)

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Post Post #6077 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:47 am

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In post 6065, DrewVa wrote:
In post 6056, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 6014, UnaBombaH wrote:Being intelligent isn't the problem in itself.
It's when you realize that people around you are dumb when the social difficulties start.
You learn this lesson very early on in life if you are a fan of Family Fued.
Most people forget that the answers are based on surveys done of actual people. You might know all the top answers of every list out there, but it only takes a few Mooks to fuck up the whole category by answering off topic or so obscure that no one's guessing that one.

That might not make total sense in translation to this game, but you have to realize that most everyone is in the same boat as we are. Low info and looking for something to clamp on to. Other people's levels of intelligence and cunning in the game will effect our reads and our interactions.
You lost me after the bolded. :lol:
Basically he's suggesting you get 4 relatives to play Family Feud, and let us know when your air date will be so we can watch you and your relatives.
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Post Post #6078 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:01 am

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In post 6077, Cheeky Dancer wrote:
In post 6065, DrewVa wrote:
In post 6056, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 6014, UnaBombaH wrote:Being intelligent isn't the problem in itself.
It's when you realize that people around you are dumb when the social difficulties start.
You learn this lesson very early on in life if you are a fan of Family Fued.
Most people forget that the answers are based on surveys done of actual people. You might know all the top answers of every list out there, but it only takes a few Mooks to fuck up the whole category by answering off topic or so obscure that no one's guessing that one.

That might not make total sense in translation to this game, but you have to realize that most everyone is in the same boat as we are. Low info and looking for something to clamp on to. Other people's levels of intelligence and cunning in the game will effect our reads and our interactions.
You lost me after the bolded. :lol:
Basically he's suggesting you get 4 relatives to play Family Feud, and let us know when your air date will be so we can watch you and your relatives.
:cool:

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Post Post #6079 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:32 am

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In post 6018, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 6013, The Last Knight wrote:
In post 6006, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 5987, The Last Knight wrote:And SS is scum until they prove otherwise at this point for me. They're coasting too comfortably for me to be okay with it. I do appreciate the dedication to the game when it comes to replacing out, but that just makes me feel like they want to skate by without having to contribute.

I'm mainly just asking for more from them. Then I'll reaS_Sess (reassess).
In post 5992, Something_Smart wrote:If TLK is going to be the lynch I'm fine with hammering him if that's what people want.
There are so many people wanting to hammer TLK. Now he scum reads SomethingS but
AGAIN
TLK is silent on having one of his top SR hammer him (Elsa and I are his other SRs iirc).

I don't know but I think if I were SS I would want my top scum read to hammer me??

I tried to believe, but I just can't believe the SuperSaint claim.
You quoted those in correct order. Maybe I missed it, but that's the first I saw SS offer to hammer me. I've never objected to being a lynch target with designated hammers.

You're just
fishing
for anything at this point.
I'm not fishing I just don't understand.
If you don't want your top SRs to hammer you then do you want your TRs to hammer???

Make us a list of a few people who you want to hammer if you are to be lynched.
It's like you're not reading my post deliberately...

I don't mind SS hammering me. I just said that in the most recent post you quoted. But every scum I want to hammer me is still scum that is worthy of the lynch themselves.

My list for hammer: Elsa, BEF, SS, creature, PP
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Post Post #6080 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:35 am

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In post 6026, UnaBombaH wrote:Why are people satisfied with how the fruit-claim -debacle ended?
How did TLK manage to convince you?
I'm still thinking that TLK already dropped the ball with a messy fakeclaim, and to be honest, my only (slight) suspicion towards profii came from the thought that it was supposed to be a coordinated fakeclaim at first. :]
What do you think I even can do?

The best I could think of was to offer to give the fruit back tonight, which I have done. It just takes time.

If you want to lynch me now, do it and we'll pick a hammer. If you want to get some real closure on "sticky gate", wait until tomorrow. Idgaf.
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Post Post #6081 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:12 am

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In post 6032, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 6026, UnaBombaH wrote:Why are people satisfied with how the fruit-claim -debacle ended?
How did TLK manage to convince you?
I'm still thinking that TLK already dropped the ball with a messy fakeclaim, and to be honest, my only (slight) suspicion towards profii came from the thought that it was supposed to be a coordinated fakeclaim at first. :]
It wasn't a matter of being satisfied. We won't be because nothing can be proven without a Lynch. But lynching TLK is the play wether he is scum or town so reading him isn't important like at all.

If he's scum cool, if he's town then Profii is more or less town and PP is town. Tlk proves his claim and probable scum bites the bullet or outs themselves by nonvoting.
I like all of this. I don't know why me town means PP is town, but I agree to everything else here.
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Post Post #6082 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:14 am

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In post 6036, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 6034, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 6027, mcqueen wrote:because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?
TLK's alignment doesn't matter. Even if he's town his role is meant to be lynched
Exactly.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt to at least let him nominate the people he wants to hammer. Since he is not answering it makes me feel like his claim is not true.
This was posted 2:41 am in my time zone. This guy smears me every chance he gets. Big cahones.
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Post Post #6083 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:15 am

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In post 6040, BrightEyedFish wrote:I think TLKs resistance to nominating someone to hammer comes across as scummy. If he nominates people and then flips scum, will his nomination be town read or scumread. I think that's his delimma right now and why he is just brushing me off
Not even 5 minutes later?
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Post Post #6084 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:20 am

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So I didn't give my thought process on this earlier.

If TLK is town here then he really has the sticky fruit. If TLK has the sticky fruit then it has scum involvement, It's clear to me that town wouldn't redirect the only claimed role with a night action for fun. So if TLK is telling the truth then scum messed with Profiis ability making him town.

If all of that is true I think PP is town, I'm less sure on that but fmpov scum would know TLK had the sticky fruit and was Ascetic so the way that PP came at TLK is weird from a scum perspective trying to "catch" TLK out. Like he didn't know TLK would have the fruit and not some item he tried to fakeclaim.
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Post Post #6085 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:21 am

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In post 6059, Nev and Max wrote:
In post 6027, mcqueen wrote:because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?
I feel like this is a misuse of the gamblers phallacy. Just because our theory was incorrect yesterday doesn't mean that 1. It was a bad theory, 2. That it was a bad idea to try it, and 3. That all other theories are now going to be incorrect since the first one ended up being wrong.
Good logic here. I think it was a good try but didn't pay off. I just like this post.
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Post Post #6086 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:24 am

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In post 6084, RCEnigma wrote:So I didn't give my thought process on this earlier.

If TLK is town here then he really has the sticky fruit. If TLK has the sticky fruit then it has scum involvement, It's clear to me that town wouldn't redirect the only claimed role with a night action for fun. So if TLK is telling the truth then scum messed with Profiis ability making him town.

If all of that is true I think PP is town, I'm less sure on that but fmpov scum would know TLK had the sticky fruit and was Ascetic so the way that PP came at TLK is weird from a scum perspective trying to "catch" TLK out. Like he didn't know TLK would have the fruit and not some item he tried to fakeclaim.
I think we have different working out but both got the same answer
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Post Post #6087 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:25 am

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In post 6070, Xtoxm wrote:he isnt doing it on purpose
hes acknowledging that people often find his playstyle scummy
i often have the same problem
there are reasons to suspect mcqueen
but fluffing isnt one of them
which as far as i can tell is what youre nitpicking him on
This is how I see McQueen. His attempts to prove to be town are town in nature. Not everyone does it that way, and maybe I'm wrong, but I like McQueen as town for now.
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Post Post #6088 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:30 am

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My preference would be for SS to be second last on wagon and LS the hammer on TLK, that way if Elsa tries to juke us SS is the hammer and we can deal with Elsa tomorrow

but I think Nancy is also fine staying on SS for the moment -d
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Post Post #6089 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:32 am

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Decided to put my vote back on TLK. Don't think that he can confirm what I want him to confirm reliably.
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Post Post #6090 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:33 am

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In post 6086, profii wrote:
In post 6084, RCEnigma wrote:So I didn't give my thought process on this earlier.

If TLK is town here then he really has the sticky fruit. If TLK has the sticky fruit then it has scum involvement, It's clear to me that town wouldn't redirect the only claimed role with a night action for fun. So if TLK is telling the truth then scum messed with Profiis ability making him town.

If all of that is true I think PP is town, I'm less sure on that but fmpov scum would know TLK had the sticky fruit and was Ascetic so the way that PP came at TLK is weird from a scum perspective trying to "catch" TLK out. Like he didn't know TLK would have the fruit and not some item he tried to fakeclaim.
I think we have different working out but both got the same answer
I don't articulate drawn out thoughts well, it all gets meshed but yeah the gist of it seems right to me.
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Post Post #6091 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:33 pm

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In post 6082, The Last Knight wrote:
In post 6036, BrightEyedFish wrote:
In post 6034, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 6027, mcqueen wrote:because we mislynched off a theory yesterday, why chance the same today? again, elsa’s a great PL regardless.

and i ask once more, what makes tlk scum outside of the fruit fiasco?
TLK's alignment doesn't matter. Even if he's town his role is meant to be lynched
Exactly.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt to at least let him nominate the people he wants to hammer. Since he is not answering it makes me feel like his claim is not true.
This was posted 2:41 am in my time zone. This guy smears me every chance he gets. Big cahones.

Nice try, the first time I Mentioned it was on Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:58 am (UTC+1) so that is almost 3 days it took you to answer.
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Post Post #6092 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:36 pm

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That's the 1st post.
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Post Post #6093 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:10 pm

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That post wasn't even a question. It was so redundant that it felt unnecessary to answer. You failed to point out that my first two posts after 5786 were responses, the second being addressed to you.

But yeah I agree that the people who I want to die are people that I scum read. It would be rather anti-town to suggest anyone who I don't think is scum to hammer me. Thank you for catching up to the super saint show, where two die for the price of one, but only if you also want the
TOWN
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Post Post #6094 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:11 pm

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Post Post #6095 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:26 pm

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In post 6093, The Last Knight wrote:That post wasn't even a question. It was so redundant that it felt unnecessary to answer. You failed to point out that my first two posts after 5786 were responses, the second being addressed to you.

But yeah I agree that the people who I want to die are people that I scum read. It would be rather anti-town to suggest anyone who I don't think is scum to hammer me. Thank you for catching up to the super saint show, where two die for the price of one, but only if you also want the
TOWN
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I would want the town SS to take a scum down with them.
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Post Post #6096 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:31 pm

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Very good. I am also okay with being lynched if it means taking down scum. I've never disputed that. Only in light of other things.

I also want to get all of my thoughts out there now so that when I flip SS you all can read back on me and those who didn't want to hammer me.
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Post Post #6097 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:46 pm

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In post 6096, The Last Knight wrote:Very good. I am also okay with being lynched if it means taking down scum. I've never disputed that. Only in light of other things.

I also want to get all of my thoughts out there now so that when I flip SS you all can read back on me and those who didn't want to hammer me.
But again, 2 of your top SRs are actively saying they will place the hammer on you. Do you expect us both to flip town for some reason and that's why you are saying that after you flip town we shouldn't pay attention to your SRs.

This is what irks me.
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Post Post #6098 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:26 pm

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The way I see things right now are that if TLK is willing to get lynched then fine. If we wanted to not lynch him today and lynch someone scummy (Mcqueen, Creature, UL, SS or Elsa) instead then that's fine too.

Nev and Max had asked me earlier why we couldn't enforce it and my snarky answer is "We can't see votes, noob!" the real answer is "It's not a normal vote mechanic where we can see the votes and tell player X to hammer when they are at L-1. What we can do is lynch from any of the players that said they'd be on the wagon but weren't. We can't really lynch anyone for not hammering b/c we won't know who is going to hammer until the lynch is written up."
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Post Post #6099 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:53 pm

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Sure we can. We ask people when they voted, and if they didn't vote at the end of the wagon like they said they did, we take them out for a free lunch the next day.

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