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[Trekkie99]

VOTE: Trekkie

LoL

VOTE: Trekkie
I dont actually know if my vote is here.
Wall coming sometime today.

LoL piss off.

[Trekkie99]

VOTE: Trekkie

LoL

VOTE: Trekkie
I dont actually know if my vote is here.
Wall coming sometime today.

LoL piss off.

NM reads and votes are BS in my opinion so I treat them as such. I'm not getting lynched for being whatever about a player who he himself is being whatever. That's bull shit.

[0verki11]

Firstly, im not lynching springtrap today and am calling them town for now. This also means im calling Gamma town.
Im also beleving the Masonary with PvT and N_M.

Trekkie99

Spoiler:

I feel like it would be a good idea to lynch one of the neighbors, and depending on their flip we can get a better idea on what the remaining neighbor's allegiance is. For example if we lynch one and he flips scum, we can consider it more likely that the remaining neighbor could be town, and visa-versa. Of course if the neighbor we lynch flips town, we wouldn't automatically lynch the other neighbor, we would just simply keep in mind that there could be a higher chance of the remaining neighbor being scum.

First bad post, I think I mentioned why earlier

VOTE: springtrap
Not a lot to go off of but he's pinging me nonetheless. His vote for me feels like a attempt at starting an easy lynch. Four something votes later and he would be like "woah! that was quick!".

Weak af, OMGUS

@clemency

your ISO is rather lacking...

Here's a quick read.

0verki11: Town

Clemency: Null: Step it up or you'll be mixed.

EGL: Mixed: Asks a lot of questions, doesn't add enough of his own opinion.

Gamma Emerald: Town

Jenga: Town

Munchmellow: Mixed: I agree with the consensus among some that munch was a little defensive in his #36. Just worth noting for future reference.

ofrhz: Town: Not_Mafia hasn't shown up yet, but the little ofrhz has given us feels fairly townie for now.

PvtUrist: Town

singletonking: Town

Springtrap: Null: Same to you as to Clemency.
Texcat: Null: Kinda...I'm just not getting town or scum vibes.

Vorkuta: Town

Spoiler:

@clemency

your ISO is rather lacking...

Here's a quick read.

0verki11: Town

Clemency: Null: Step it up or you'll be mixed.

EGL: Mixed: Asks a lot of questions, doesn't add enough of his own opinion.

Gamma Emerald: Town

Jenga: Town

Munchmellow: Mixed: I agree with the consensus among some that munch was a little defensive in his #36. Just worth noting for future reference.

ofrhz: Town: Not_Mafia hasn't shown up yet, but the little ofrhz has given us feels fairly townie for now.

PvtUrist: Town

singletonking: Town

Springtrap: Null: Same to you as to Clemency.
Texcat: Null: Kinda...I'm just not getting town or scum vibes.

Vorkuta: Town

^ Open spoiler, takes one stance and is voting a null read over a scumread at this time

literally what's the difference between null and mixed?

Null means there's nothing in a person's ISO to point to what their alignment could be, while mixed means there's evidence that points towards them being either alignment.

That is the defintion of scum reeeeeeeee

VOTE: Is_Mafia

Votes a mason claim.

Trekkie is a fine lynch today.

Vorkuta

Spoiler:

Unfortunately

-Objectively the case we have against NotMafia is that he has only 2 posts so far.
OBVIOUSLY he's going to reply eventually and if his reply has literally any substance in it: 'oh all is forgiven!' or something.
I mean I don't think we need to park a wagon on him just to get him to say literally anything.

-@texcat
from what I understand, you dislike THE WAY he posted- it was done too early, without any consideration to how the neighborhood might be used, or without any discussion with his neighbor partner, and that's why you scum read him. If there's any more to your argument do share.

Still willing to support a Clemency wagon.

Towny post imo, theres a couple towny posts but I cant be bothered posting them as I kind of want to get this out as soon as possibile

Overall, slight townlean, obviously nothing is set in stone but I dont want to lynch them currently
PvtUrist:Town
Not_Mafia:Town
Delta Diamond

Spoiler:

I'm fine with being lynched off today as long as we don't lose a town power role. That being said, Clem, is NM going to just keep doing this all game or is he going to start, you know, helping the town? Because I'm getting all sorts of pings on my radar from him (and from pvturist for ignoring it in favor of his omgus against me) but if you have played with him before, I'll have to defer to your judgement. Still, I'd like the assurance that if he's town, he'll help and not just troll us.

From what is the orginal slot, we just lynch this kind of thing because theres no reason to point this kind of thing out as town, and it feels like scum trying to gain tc.

How does it prove at least one town between them?

Either clueless town or shading scum here.

We should make some kind of lynch today. We have 2 days left, but it feels like the game has been pretty slow moving for most of it.

Lamist

being afraid to lynch a PR is exactly why mafia claim PR

how long do we wait to lynch him? Surely not lylo

VOTE: Overkill

2 of (Overkill/Trekkie/ST)

Neighbour isnt really a power role.[/spoiler]
0verki11 :Town
Jenga: Null, none of their posts swing either way to me.
Springtrap: Town
Gamma Emerald: Town
Texcat

Spoiler:

VOTE: Clem

the vote on its own is enough to take them out of todays lynch, but I might consider it tommorow

Does anyone know what the vote count is?

I'm not voting Trekkie today. I prefer NotM, but could switch to Clem to prevent a NoLynch.

Is there a reason why at the time you preffered a Not_Mafia lynch over a Clem lynch?

Texcat do you have any non-Overkill reads?

I have town reads. But they are not very strong and seem to flip-flop around a little. For example, I was town reading you.

Why are you not townreading single now?

His naked vote on me was enough to make me question my town read.

I think they made it obvious enough that it was because you were tunneling me.

Singletonking Like the entire ISO is scum hunting which feels highly town motivated, most townie out of the non confirmed people alive imo, would definitly not lynch today

[Delta Diamond]

i was talking about SpringTrap, not u

[PvtUrist]

VOTE: Trekkie this is L-2

[0verki11]

I messed up half of the spoilers rip

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Trekkie

LoL

VOTE: Trekkie
I dont actually know if my vote is here.
Wall coming sometime today.

LoL piss off.

Spock would never tell someone to piss off

[Vorkuta]

I'm not going to jump on the trekkie wagon today
He's made posts that are objectively "bad" and anti-town as you guys have previously pointed out. Yes, his ISO reads scummy and every other post looks LAMISTy.

However I don't think that this is the type of play that gets scum!trekkie safe home. I've also

been in the same game with him, even though he replaced in after I died

played with scum!trekkie before and his playstyle was much more active and less... this.

LoL piss off.

[Vorkuta]

I'm so very lost this game. Here's why:

(People that claimed)
-NM & Urist: Town
I buy """their""" mason claim, especially considering how NM is complete lynch bait and it's a miracle his wagons go through.
A NM non-mason flip is too risky and Urist can't afford to be lying about it.

-Overkill: Town
As I've said before I don't see scum!overkill killing off his neighbor.

-Springtrap: Town
Similar reasoning with the masons. I am confused as to how he made it past N1, but he now has the burden of providing night actions that are consistent and will stand up to scrutiny for several days.
I also like 'how' he soft claimed at the end of D1 to avoid the lynch and then hard claimed D2- I feel that he did what he had to in the towniest way possible.
His FNaF roleplay however.....

-DD: Null
I liked this slot before the replacement (and urist does have a known streak of similar behavior ), esp with wanting to take the lynch to avoid a PR mislynch.
However the way DD claimed VT after I brought up massclaiming as an option to move things forward (I still stand by that btw) feels opportunistic.
Like DD knew full well that it wasn't the right play to do then and there, but did it anyway just to get his VT claim out in the open.

(The rest of you lot)
-Gamma Emerald: Town
PT cop said "no PT". I don't see ANY indication of traitor-like behavior (and I guess there isn't one as the 2 neighborhood + masonry w/ PT cop is already experimental enough game design but then again it would be hilarious to include a "Cop" that won't give any info when targeting a "traitor"....)

-Trekkie: Town for reasons stated above. Oh wow I just realized that I think "being bad" is a town tell for me..... erm....

And this leaves Texcat,

Jaina

Jenga, and Singletonking as the remaining 3 players who haven't claimed and by process of elimination described above must be the scum team.... wait no that can't be right.

-Texcat: hammered yesterday and was pressed hard for it. I view it as townie (even though it was pushed by N_M of all people).
-STK: probably the most active scum hunter. I've stated my powerwolfing concerns, but I like their analysis.
-Jenga: I really like #540 analysis.

[Vorkuta]

So here's where I'm at.
I don't want to view "not actively scum hunting" or "not being pro-town 100% of the time" as scum tells/reads as that's impossible to pull of. This thread can get quite stale at times and we can't point fingers at everyone for not posting/being 100% obv!town at every moment. That's what got me to (probably) tunnel on clemency on D1.

I'd like it if we massclaimed (in an organised way)- that way we can get more bunches/clumps of scum.
Like the Urist & NM masonry (like... if the game ends up to 3-2 LyLo with BOTH masons being alive... then.....), or the Gamma & Springtrap claim clearing.
Because scum can't all of a sudden wiggle their way into preexisting neighborhoods or masonries, they'd have to coordinate to fit in.
Given the game design (and my browsing of all the potential roles that the wiki has to offer) I doubt there's a really important "gamechanging" PR still left unaccounted for, plus we already have 1 ""investigative"".
Plus, given that half the cast has already claimed- if they're lying, it would be really difficult for them to keep up the charades for several more nights.

Comments/thoughts/support/votes?

[Trekkie99]

Spock would never tell someone to piss off

Okay that's fair.

[PvtUrist]

Okay that's fair.

Scum reaction

[Gamma Emerald]

You think they were informed of the PT cop somehow? Because I don't think they decided to just randomly claim mason today, they definitely had something going on early in d1

Forgot about that gfdi
Honestly that a relief that he is a mason

[singletonking]

VOTE: Trekkie this is L-2

No, I believe that's actually L-1.

But I'm happy with this wagon.

[singletonking]

Trekkie at L-2:

VOTE: Trekkie

LoL

VOTE: Trekkie
I dont actually know if my vote is here.
Wall coming sometime today.

LoL piss off.

VOTE: Trekkie

LoL

VOTE: Trekkie
I dont actually know if my vote is here.
Wall coming sometime today.

LoL piss off.

NM reads and votes are BS in my opinion so I treat them as such. I'm not getting lynched for being whatever about a player who he himself is being whatever. That's bull shit.

Trekkie at L-1:

Spock would never tell someone to piss off

Okay that's fair.

Trekkie is under a lot of pressure and suspicion but I don't see him bothering with the game, which strikes as really scummy for me. Instead of trying to figure out who's scum, he's intimidating people off his wagon. I'd expect town to be more concerned here.

[singletonking]

Just a quick roadmap to let you guys know where I'm at:

Vorkuta is my strongest townread of the unconfirmed: the efforts he has made in trying to advance the game definitely feels like a townie trying to win.

Trekkie is now my strongest scumread because of his attitude to this game under pressure.

I'm also heavily leaning scum on Texcat for how she opportunistically she shows up in the thread.
I am swinging back to Overkill being town as well. I still feel that scum don't kill their neighbour that easily. I also think texcat/Overkill are definitely not buddies.

Between Delta and Jenga, I am not so sure. I'm currently leaning Jenga, but I'll have to reread.

[singletonking]

Actually, I shouldn't be assuming Springtrap is town here.

[singletonking]

Like all he's doing now is just making random setup comments and has not made a single effort at scumhunting. Like this is seriously scummy to me but based on how blatant this is I feel he's possibly just town who assumes his claim is conftown and he doesn't scumhunt which bugs me but some people just have this playstyle.

I think I still don't want to lynch Springtrap today

[singletonking]

[2] Not_Mafia : Trekkie99, Springtrap

Why is this still a thing, though?

Springtrap and Trekkie, why are you still voting the claimed Mason?

[Trekkie99]

I joke around a lot when I'm close to being lynched as town or scum. Under the assumption I'm town, who on my wagon is most likely to be scum?

[Delta Diamond]

I joke around a lot when I'm close to being lynched as town or scum. Under the assumption I'm town, who on my wagon is most likely to be scum?

if u were town here you’d be giving out reads instead of asking others to assume ur town

which ur not

[Trekkie99]

I joke around a lot when I'm close to being lynched as town or scum. Under the assumption I'm town, who on my wagon is most likely to be scum?

if u were town here you’d be giving out reads instead of asking others to assume ur town

which ur not

No, I asked everyone who they thought might be scum on my wagon under the assumption that I'm town.

Little self conscious are we?

[0verki11]

I joke around a lot when I'm close to being lynched as town or scum. Under the assumption I'm town, who on my wagon is most likely to be scum?

self meta as defense reeeeee

[Jenga]

I looked at one of 0verkill's scum games from the newbie queue, and there he looked very disorganized and passive. I'm not sure that his reads list today is entirely outside of his scum range, but for now I'm fine with a UNVOTE:

I should have time to meta dive Trekkie either late tonight or tomorrow morning.

[singletonking]

UNVOTE: Trekkie

I'm kinda getting cold feet on the Trekkie wagon, given that the game has stalled and more than 24 hours have elapsed since him being put at L-1. Lack of resistance or discussion here suggests that scum is likely waiting for a mislynch to go through.