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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:50 am

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In post 268, Persivul wrote:
In post 257, Plotinus wrote:
Get a Room: Plotinus, Flavour Leaf

Point 1: Across the games that I've moderated with this setup,
70% of scum players complained in public about rooms
. Town were usually enthusiastic about them or at least neutral, though a few townies struggled to keep up if they were in fewer rooms than most people.
Is the scum team {pers, dunn, ruby}?

If not, you're using a stat disingenuously to push me, probably because I made a case on you to which you haven't responded.
Point 2:
Selective listening
: When Persivul is trying to smear somebody and it turns out that his point is false, he completely ignores this information. For example, in -, he ignores the clarification that Clemency's post restriction was 5 minutes away from expiring when I made that comment, so what I and Clemency understood my comment to mean was "I don't expect an answer in the next five minutes, but when you're free to talk about, please tell me..."
Except that had nothing to do with my case on you. I just think your attitude and wording was rude.
He also continues to act like it's scummy that I'm pushing rooms when I've clarified multiple times that having modded this setup gives me insight into what the best strategy for town is. He has to do this because he knows that rooms are making it harder for him to control the game as scum.
He's not trying to find out the truth, he's just trying to push his agenda.
Continues to act like it's scummy? I made one point about your push for rooms being scummy: "His first post is bad. I get using rooms for a reason. But, just making rooms to make rooms eventually sows confusion, and that benefits scum."

Note that I was paraphrasing an argument that I had made several days previously in a room, and that referred to your first post on rooms. My main reason for scum reading you is your push on Dunn, as is apparent in that post.

After you clarified your reasoning on rooms, I actually agreed with you in part: "Huh? Plot wants rooms with a specific purposes: "for town to have places to work together out of scum's eyes,: and to "scumhunt people in private differently from you can scumhunt them in public."

I agree with the first
,"

So, you're misrepping me when you act as if I'm inflexible in my assessment of your position on rooms.
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Tone
. Persivul tends to use a different tone when he's town than when he's scum.
Do you have examples?

I had both a town game and a scum game end yesterday:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77928
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=78139

Please, show how my tone in this game is clearly the same as my tone in the scum game, and clearly different from the tone in the town game.

I've been a little nasty in this game. Anyone who bothers to read these is going to see I wasn't like that at all in the scum game, but did show some snark in the town game.

So, either your memory is bad, your meta is out of date, or you're just making things up because I'm pushing you.
I was townreading Persivul by hood posting but his response here killed that
Especially the first part, scum don’t have to be in that set for one scum to complain about rooms being set up. That’s some very blatantly wrong logic.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:53 am

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Why are people suspecting Clem, and also Ruby, why do you think the team is me and Clem?
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:56 am

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Vote Count 1.14Persivul (3): Flavor Leaf, Plotinus, Clemency
Gamma Emerald (1): tris
Plotinus (1): Persivul
Clemency (1): Ruby Red

Not Voting (3): Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Something_Smart

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
The deadline is 27 January 1am UTC-4, or in
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Rooms and Post Restrictions
Plotinus, Flavor Leaf ((expired on 2019-01-25 16:46:26))

Something Smart, tris
Gamma Emerald, Clemency
Persivul, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral
Ruby Red, Clemency
Plotinus, tris
Something_Smart, Flavor Leaf

Get a RoomNot Voting (9): Persivul, Ruby Red, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral, Something_Smart, tris, Plotinus, Flavor Leaf, Clemency

It takes 2n-1 votes to get a n player Room.

InfractionsPlotinus: 1

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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:26 am

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In post 290, Ruby Red wrote:could've sworn i posted

i think plot/persivul is likely to be t/t

don't tr dunn anymore really, plot i wasn't answering you because i was waiting to see dunn's posts the next time he entered the thread
Thanks for getting back to me on this. Now that I understand what you were doing I think it's townier than not that you waited so long to answer.

I could do Dunn today.

I don't have an opinion on Clemency; I worry about him when he disappears and then I feel okay about him when he's here. He was different in the newbie game I modded, but players there said he was different from usual there so I think that doesn't mean anything. I'd hammer him if it were close to deadline.

Pers, okay, you were a jerk in ClownTardis, too. I'm not arguing that you are 100% jerk as scum and 100% angel as town, that would be ridiculous.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:06 am

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Right, Dunn is in this game.

I feel like that's a good sign?
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:53 am

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:04 pm

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In post 286, tris wrote:@Persivul What do you think of players other than Plotinus?
Dunn - lean town, both from PT and main content.
You - town. Was saying this privately pretty early. Plot's a name, so I didn't think you'd ask for a room with him if you were scum. Plus, since then, you've had both pros and cons to say about him.
Clem - quiet and guarded relative to other games I've seen him in.
Gamma - I always have difficulty with gamma. Hate to say it but I don't think she's a great player, and I have to separate poor play from scummy play. She frequently misinterprets things I say, to the point I can't tell if she's strategically misrepping me, or just not understanding. That said, I don't like that she was asking questions in the PT but not giving anything herself - struck me as gathering ammo rather than trying to solve.
SS - hasn't said much in main. In his few posts he has poked at people, and hasn't jumped on a wagon, so that's good.
Ruby - I've never seen him this quiet, and I don't know what to make of it.

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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:08 pm

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In post 299, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 259, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Gamma - What’s going on your PT?
Which one?
Why ask this? Why not just answer? You're in two, and one hasn't had activity since Sunday, so it's pretty easy:
Nothing in one, _____ in the other.
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:14 pm

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In post 300, Gamma Emerald wrote:I was townreading Persivul by hood posting but his response here killed that
Especially the first part, scum don’t have to be in that set for one scum to complain about rooms being set up. That’s some very blatantly wrong logic.
Do you understand the logic?

Plot identified three people who had complained about the rooms, and said that in his experience modding scum tend to complain about the rooms. It's reasonable for me to then ask why I'm the only one being pushed, and why the other two in the list aren't also scum (I forgot at the time it's a micro and was thinking of a standard mini 3p team). Plot seemed to understand the point, and responed that yes, dunn is his other main scum read.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:15 pm

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In post 301, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are people suspecting Clem, and also Ruby, why do you think the team is me and Clem?
You're in a room with clem. What have you gotten from that?
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:22 pm

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In post 303, Plotinus wrote:Pers, okay, you were a jerk in ClownTardis, too. I'm not arguing that you are 100% jerk as scum and 100% angel as town, that would be ridiculous.
What exactly are you arguing regarding tone?

I provide counter examples to what you seem to be saying, but you say no, it's too subtle for that. You sound like scum pushing an agenda and moving the goalposts so that it's unfalsifiable, or town who's confbiasing.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:51 pm

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In post 299, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 259, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Gamma - What’s going on your PT?
Which one?
I’m more concerned about the three person one with Dunn/Persivul.
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:53 pm

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Oh, hmm. Gamma’s in a room with the 3 people I’m most interested in. Interesting.

What’s going on in both your rooms then?
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:06 pm

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In post 301, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are people suspecting Clem, and also Ruby, why do you think the team is me and Clem?
i don't

i just think you're both decent votes. nothing about you two being partnered
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:06 pm

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let me qualify that:

i have nothing that specifically makes me believe that the team is you two. not like i disbelieve it or think it's somehow less likely than rand
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:07 pm

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In post 306, Persivul wrote:Ruby - I've never seen him this quiet, and I don't know what to make of it.
burnout

it'll pass in a week or so, maybe sooner
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:08 pm

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VOTE: gamma emerald
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:16 pm

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Sorry, I've been neglecting this game recently. I had my birthday yesterday. I don't have much time right now, but in the morning I'll attend to this first thing.
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:28 pm

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happy birthday
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:27 am

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In post 311, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 299, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 259, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Gamma - What’s going on your PT?
Which one?
I’m more concerned about the three person one with Dunn/Persivul.
I asked Pers and Dunn for reads on slots I wanted to see their opinions on, they provided, then Pers asked for mine and flipped his shit when I wanted to room with Clem.
As for the Clem one it’s me just conversating and discussing reads casually p much
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:28 am

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In post 313, Ruby Red wrote:
In post 301, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are people suspecting Clem, and also Ruby, why do you think the team is me and Clem?
i don't

i just think you're both decent votes. nothing about you two being partnered
Answer the other question? Just because I direct one at you doesn’t mean you ignore the one towards everyone.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:06 am

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Plotinus and Flavor Leaf's post restrictions have expired
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:52 am

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@Gamma Why aren't you voting anyone?
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:55 am

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As far as Clemency is concerned, I'm null. I'd be willing to lynch him if it comes down to it, but I have no idea what his alignment is.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:57 am

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In post 319, Gamma Emerald wrote: As for the Clem one it’s me just conversating and discussing reads casually p much
Has Clemency expressed any reads?
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