"Don't look too town as scum"
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Many people have 0 clue what is alignment-indicative or alignment-relevant, which means that most tells are basically =rand
I'd say that "looking town" in a lot of peoples' minds is a function of consistent engagement, making sense, and sounding like an intelligent human being.
None of those things are actually towntells, of course, and in terms of many peoples' metas, are explicit scumtells.
TLDR: if you want to avoid "looking too town" just make shittier-looking posts. Problem solvedShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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fwiw I find that relatively few scum play with lots of nonsensical WIFOM bs (NOT zero but few)In post 22, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:In post 19, the worst wrote:
note to self: don't roll scum against mhsmith0In post 16, mhsmith0 wrote:I'd say that "looking town" in a lot of peoples' minds is a function of consistent engagement, making sense, and sounding like an intelligent human being.
None of those things are actually towntells, of course, and in terms of many peoples' metas, are explicit scumtells.
he's already onto you
It kind of blows my mind, when scum thinks they can get away with nonsensical WIFOM - most can’t and many horribly over-estimate their ability to successfully pull that off.
many town players do stuff that LOOKS like nonsensical WIFOM scum bs tho
not a lock tell since it can vary
but there's a definite tendency among a substantial # of people that the dumber the posts, the likelier it is that they're made by town (whereas when they roll scum they make some effort to make sense, to avoid getting into pointless fights [especially the mega fights that completely swamp the thread], etc)Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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it's an interesting debateIn post 30, Xtoxm wrote:Towns are being overcompensated now. If running games on the EV curve results in scum winning more often because towns are bad I'm fine with that.
multiple times I've taken a break from NRG reviewing, and then come back and I'm like "wait, we're giving town THIS much crazy power?"
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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shoot the players with brains well before lyloIn post 20, Yuchou wrote:There are times that someone very town read gets to LyLo even though they are town, so if you're scum you can try to write it off as WIFOM as well, but it's kind of rare and...
I mean, it's very suspicious for someone being town read so strongly and early to get to LyLo. You can end up getting lynched only for that reason.
Being town read but not so much town read is the best place for scum I would say. Hard to get there though, since it's already a challenge to sound town anyway.
However...I don't think anyone should worry about being too town read as scum, you'll probably end up doing one or two scummy things at minimum.
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Fwiw I disagree with this.In post 74, Elsa Jay wrote:The point of being Scum is to be indistighable from your Town game.
The point of scum is to achieve mislynches (technically it’s to achieve parity but the primary thing to do that is achieve mislynches)
Looking town can be helpful towards this goal... but it’s not enough. Looking town, in the absence of achieving anything else, will result in you being the last wolf lynched, as opposed to you winning.
I’m hardly one to talk since I suck at it, of course, but I always feel like having an eye on that ultimate prize and acting effectively towards that goal is the key. You can be flagrantly different from your town game... as long as you’re not lynched for it. Or as long as your death helps spew yiur teammates as town. Etc.
Conversely, you you look town while having everyone ignore you, and it helps you dodge pressure, but if they’re lynching your teammates while this happens, that’s bad.
In the proudest scum performance I’ve had, people praised me after the game for “looking town”. You know what I was proud of? Turning that town credit into a giant stack of mislynches. Earning town cred was nice. Spending it effectively was nicerShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Fwiw
If as scum I had the choice of taking a teammate who’d consistently achieve three shitty mislynches before getting lynched every single d4 I’d take that teammate
Every
Single
Time
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Disagree. Three mislynches and one scum lynch is advantage scum. A scummate who can run like that is an asset. Can’t win a game by himself of course but you can’t achieve the fourth mislynch without achieving the first threeIn post 78, Elsa Jay wrote:You can get 5 mislynches in a row but it does jack if your all hung before you win.
(But srsly if you go from like 10/3 to 3/2 but die yourself, that’s huge edge scum, then it’s just about teammates taking it home ftw)Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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also having your team reach endgame takes priority over you in particular reaching endgame or (necessarily) your team doing so as fast as possible (i.e. if you have a bad slot on your team that definitely will need to get bussed, plan for when is the best time to bus it rather than defaulting to "never")In post 82, mastina wrote:Looking town takes priority over mimicking your towngame; if you have a scummy towngame, then as scum mimicking it you are going to get lynched. Keeping yourself alive takes priority over looking town, so if you focus too much on looking town and give up on more pragmatic survival strategies, you are going to get lynched. And reaching endgame takes priority over keeping yourself alive, so if you keep yourself alive by power-bussing your entire scumteam...you are going to get lynched.
tho of course if your teammates are obvscum there isn't much difference between you reaching endgame and your team reaching endgame
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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It could be worse, you coudl wake up to THIS kind of treatment in your very first 24 hours as scum
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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A sub .500 town win rate even on this site SHOULD be embarrassing for anyone who thinks they're good as townIn post 121, Ankamius wrote:I remember calculating it a while back and I had like a 44-46%, somewhere in that range
And I was embarrassed
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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If I discount my MYLO/LYLO sub ins I'd be .500 as town
If I also discount the setups that were troll-level balancing I'd be over .500 as town
If I also discount the setups where I blame my teammates for the loss I'd basically be undefeated
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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idk u well enough to have any advice on how to avoid that feeling, sorryIn post 125, Ankamius wrote:I have a lot (a LOT) of games where I can't get any headway at all and it's the worst feeling.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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There's also a lot of validity in being able to develop a sense of when your reads seem really good and when you don't really have good reads
The latter is the kind of spot where you can end up forcing your crappy reads onto the gamestate and driving the game off a cliff, and is definitely a hurdle for a lot of people (even those who have good reads in a lot of games)
The flip side is that if you're TOO willing to compromise then you'll open yourself up to scum talking you off of good reads
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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