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Post Post #2352 (isolation #400) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:33 pm

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an apathy lynch is worse than a panic lynch
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Post Post #2353 (isolation #401) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:34 pm

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vote varsoon for a good lynch
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Post Post #2354 (isolation #402) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:35 pm

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In post 2348, Varsoon wrote:Sorry for making the game so awful for you
If you were so 'universal' town, why's there a wagon on you in the first place and why do you make me mad uncomfortable?

Anyway
I'm probably right about Creature but I'll take the L and say it's ya'lls fault for not listening to me
I gave you plenty of chances
why did you swap to ddl then if you have this many doubts ?
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Post Post #2355 (isolation #403) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:37 pm

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In post 2345, mbaki wrote:I would point out you are voting against the universal at this point town and the person almost globally read as town, but alas.
mbaki im still confused what this means
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Post Post #2356 (isolation #404) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:44 pm

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Mbaki, what do you think is the bad play by us this game? Other than reads of course
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Post Post #2357 (isolation #405) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:47 pm

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*Of living players.
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Post Post #2360 (isolation #406) » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:03 pm

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ok be honest with me here

you planned to do nothing this game because u were a universal backup?
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Post Post #2370 (isolation #407) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:25 am

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In post 2368, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 2366, DrDolittle wrote:I'm also still entertained by varsoon town. He claims no one visits creature, but it could be very well that suka's third target was creature, and thus the claim could be falsified.
^ hey oka what's your thoughts on this?
I have no idea what you mean by this. pls clarify.
In post 2369, DrDolittle wrote:+ it seems high risk low reward to claim a role as silly as universal backup, and it seems consistent with his rationale of play

just one counterexample

varsoon uses his role as an example to why he scumread bef claim

but he clearly sat on me instead of bef for a majority of the day and preferred other lynches to bef and then did a swap around twilight

i dont think he made his mind at that point, its not consistent with play, that explanation was like a post-lemme revise some history explanation
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Post Post #2374 (isolation #408) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:45 am

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In post 2180, Varsoon wrote:It's why I scumread the 1-shot Neopolitan claim.
The interactions both the '1-shot' and 'Neopolitan' parts have with Universal Backup are so wonky, I didn't think it'd be a likely role to have.
can u explain this post then?

if its town play how did you scumread him for it
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Post Post #2375 (isolation #409) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:48 am

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Varsoon would you play like this if you didn't have outside circumstances?

Would you play like this if you we're vt with these outside circumstances and not a PR? Be honest
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Post Post #2388 (isolation #410) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:23 pm

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In post 2380, Varsoon wrote:Homedog, literally no one gives a shit what I have to say and no one has listened to me all game
So, yeah, if being like "Fuck this" at crunch time isn't a position to have, whatever.
I tried.
Ya'll just didn't ever give a damn about me trying.
you haven't put the effort to case someone properly so nobody is going to understand why you think the way you think and thus nobody is going to care what you say

now that you do care, what specifically about creature's play do you find scummy?
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Post Post #2390 (isolation #411) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:14 pm

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Ok but when would suka follow creature?
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Post Post #2393 (isolation #412) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:16 pm

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y would suka follow a townread
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Post Post #2395 (isolation #413) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:19 pm

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sure
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Post Post #2397 (isolation #414) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:23 pm

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he opened the day with i can catch someone with a lie so we should mass claim

why would he claim commuter

even with this no action performed on creature we are bordering on ???

he had to claim something that did something

its not consistent, you can check my iso for my thoughts
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Post Post #2399 (isolation #415) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:27 pm

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to possibly out prs and maybe get a strong pr lynched?

i dont see how his claim would catch anyone's lies esp with his compromising mandate being creature goes before
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Post Post #2402 (isolation #416) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:31 pm

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unless scum knows they are caught

and i don't think we knew/know enough about this setup to have known/know if there are strong prs
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Post Post #2407 (isolation #417) » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:45 pm

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Spoiler: for u ddl
In post 2139, OkaPoka wrote:you know what I'll just say what I'm thinking.

Varsoon knows he's going to get lynched sooner or later. He might as well try and force out pr claims so his buddy can knock out all the threats. He's going to go ahead and make up a result that incriminates one pr or another to try and get them ML and then he's going to get his bud to shoot the other pr.

Now that I've said that I've poisoned the well. But that's why I don't want to massclaim. I think we are playing directly into his hands.
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In post 2180, Varsoon wrote:It's why I scumread the 1-shot Neopolitan claim.
The interactions both the '1-shot' and 'Neopolitan' parts have with Universal Backup are so wonky, I didn't think it'd be a likely role to have.
Okay then why did you set elsewhere for the majority of the day, only to swing back to BEF near the end and then vote elsewhere after hammer?
In post 1892, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: OkaPoka


FINALLY
SUPPORT FOR A WAGON I CAN DO
indicates that you didn't support a BEF wagon at all, even post 1-shot neo claim that happened here:
In post 1850, BrightEyedFish wrote:It's basically inevitable now...

1-shot Neapolitan.
No, I haven't used my ability yet was going to save it as long as possible or when the number of players was smaller so I could sort my result better.
In post 1939, Varsoon wrote:I'm iffy on it.
Haven't loved the slot, but I'd rather lynch elsewhere.
Oh and this?
In post 1942, Varsoon wrote:Not really much, I guess.
I just get worse vibes from Oka and DDL.
The way they are present and how they interact with the game
It bothers me
I can't really articulate it
Did you really scumread that claim?
In post 2203, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2153, Suka wrote:Varsoon, why would you want Creature to claim before you? Wouldn't you want to get claims from others who may have visited Creature, not from Creature himself?
In post 2154, Varsoon wrote:Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.
In what world would you voyeuring creature ever allow you to catch creature lying?
In post 2204, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2150, Varsoon wrote:I'm Town Universal Backup.
I inherited Nero's Town Voyeur role and used it on Creature on N3.

I'll hold my result until after everyone else has claimed.

Main reason I played very cautiously early on was because I didn't want to be killed but still wanted to be suspected enough to be kept around for a lynch.
I was hoping to get something good like cop but eeeh.
What?
In post 529, Varsoon wrote:Spiderverse was really good, probably one of my favorite animated movies ever made.

Also, some shit happened that's really soured me on playing mafia so I might just replace out here since I'm having trouble keeping up. :/
Wasn't this why you were playing "cautiously" ?
In post 2029, Varsoon wrote:All the other games I was in have ended so now I'll probably be more present here.
Maybe.
Sorry for low-efforting this.
Or this?
In post 2205, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2153, Suka wrote:Varsoon, why would you want Creature to claim before you? Wouldn't you want to get claims from others who may have visited Creature, not from Creature himself?
In post 2154, Varsoon wrote:Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.
Alternatively: having literally anyone else instead of creature claiming before you would be better if you were voyeur than having creature claim before you.

Literally anyone else is better.

Even one person, higher chance of catching a lie.
In post 2208, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2092, Varsoon wrote:I've got info that may or may not expose if someone is lying, so I should probably go last or near-last.
Here you even state your goal is to try and catch a lying pr in vague ways.
In post 2126, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.

But then here there is a bit of contradiction with your claim and supposed targets isn't there?

You were lying? lmao.
Oh I see, this is my fault. When your claim and play makes no sense. This is a BEF level claim right here.


he has his responses in his iso
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Post Post #2420 (isolation #418) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:45 am

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Only if varsoon is voyeur which is not confirmed and the scumread on him is not based on that?

I don't see how this makes him townier. The only townie thing he has done now is making a coherent case against creature. But then again scum can make coherent cases so it's no reason to forgive him for past.
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Post Post #2428 (isolation #419) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:21 pm

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Is this where you vote varsoon? I think this is where you vote varsoon.
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Post Post #2430 (isolation #420) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:29 pm

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In post 2413, Creature wrote:Meh, I'm feeling like we should ignore the claims. The game was way more interesting without the claims.
??

is this meme or srs
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Post Post #2432 (isolation #421) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:44 pm

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well i think that makes varsoon lynch mathematically impossible

time to actually reread

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Post Post #2433 (isolation #422) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:01 pm

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In post 1752, DrDolittle wrote:i still feel uneasy though.

if vork flips town, then tomorrow it feels almost natural to push bef.
but as creature echoed, I can also see them both as town.

this potentially hints at scum pushing narratives around and lining up easy mislynches.
In post 1756, DrDolittle wrote:I know! thats why Im feeling so uneasy

that's why Im really hoping vork flips red to calm my qualms
In post 1793, DrDolittle wrote:I think I would prefer a BEF lynch today.
1 - I think there's at most one scum in {BEF, Vork} and {BEF, mbaki}. That role flipping red clears our
2 - With conf bias, his wagon hop on me is extremely lazy and antitown ("for the sake of progress")
3 - I agree with what people said. BEF's reads today are extremely weak, and they feel more like continuing to set up mislynches.
4 - Meta-wise, this game reminds me of the last time BEF played scum, rather than BEF played town. His scum play seems more confident, vocally fights with frequent-posters, and then gradually shirks when there's more pressure.
5 - The story that rb-BEF teammates makes sense, although its weaker than rb-vork.

I'm still ok with Vork lynch, but right now, I would prefer a flip here instead. VOTE: bef
this progression is kinda weird in retrospect with vork at l1 its a bit hmm
In post 1964, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 1959, Varsoon wrote:I think scum'd pull off if they knew it'd flip town, if only to avoid catching flak for being on it.

I didn't like their early play and their constant interaction in the thread doesn't feel, to me, like they're trying to figure out the game nearly as much as it's just them setting up whatever lynch works.
also are you fucking kidding about this? How does pulling off vork not generate flak? Plus we rarely wagon analyze, and vork asso i could be sitting pretty rather than drawing attention to myself as scum.

there's no reason for scum-me to pull of vork + I was first vote anyways.

Of course, scum could know this and yadda yadda, so that is at most not alignment indicative.
example of a weird tone shifts in ddl isos
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Post Post #2434 (isolation #423) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:02 pm

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ill skim mbaki next after i do some rl stuff
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Post Post #2435 (isolation #424) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:12 pm

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mbaki, is creature still living up to your standards of him being in town meta?
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Post Post #2436 (isolation #425) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:12 pm

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oh yeah mbaki self voted
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Post Post #2437 (isolation #426) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:19 pm

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mbaki could you remind me why you self voted and why it made sense for us to get rid of u
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Post Post #2438 (isolation #427) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:22 pm

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In post 2235, Creature wrote:Cool, because my role makes more sense in an nsg setup than yours.
In post 2294, Creature wrote:UNVOTE:

Meh, I'm starting to think Oka is more meant to be a negative utility.
expand on these please
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Post Post #2439 (isolation #428) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:24 pm

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kmd what's your schedule like
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Post Post #2440 (isolation #429) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:27 pm

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In post 2431, Kmd4390 wrote:
In post 2428, OkaPoka wrote:Is this where you vote varsoon? I think this is where you vote varsoon.
Not likely for me. I think I'm between mbaki and drdoolittle today. Leaning drdoolittle now because I'm not sure mbaki points out varsoon is likely town if mbaki is scum.
but mbaki points out varsoon is town in a niche scenario so i don't get how this makes mbaki town? or varsoon town?
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Post Post #2443 (isolation #430) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:32 pm

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so is ur gamesolve involving us lynching two from the vt claim pool?
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Post Post #2446 (isolation #431) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:33 pm

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because?
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Post Post #2448 (isolation #432) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:52 pm

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i dont get why mbaki gets towncred
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Post Post #2452 (isolation #433) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:43 pm

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hey mbaki could we discuss your self vote again?
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Post Post #2454 (isolation #434) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:16 pm

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What are your gripes with this playerlist?
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Post Post #2456 (isolation #435) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:43 pm

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usually when someone asks me why i did x

and then they ask me later why i did x

my second explanation will have more than my first, like ill be more verbose about inner thoughts

but if u are being guarded about this its kinda pointless

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as to why i ask questions like that, i use mentality to sort play

but im also too lazy to full meta dive
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Post Post #2457 (isolation #436) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:48 pm

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u could help me sort u and answer it tho
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Post Post #2458 (isolation #437) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:51 pm

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if u scumread ddl why do u care about him whining about u
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Post Post #2459 (isolation #438) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:57 pm

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this would go a lot easier if we lynched varsoon
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Post Post #2461 (isolation #439) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:14 pm

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lmao thats not engaging with scumreads

ur just complaining about him
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Post Post #2464 (isolation #440) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:16 pm

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In post 2455, mbaki wrote:See, why have you been asking questions like that all game? It forces me to talk about it which in turn apparently leads to me ruining the game (-DDL). How does that help you sort my alignment? I've gone over this shit.
im talking about this post
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Post Post #2465 (isolation #441) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:21 pm

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mbaki do u have a grasp on ddl meta
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Post Post #2467 (isolation #442) » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:26 pm

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gnight

hopefully when i wake up somebody compromises to me rather than the other way

ill hopefully make up my mind by tomorrow
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Post Post #2487 (isolation #443) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:31 pm

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Mobile posting.

I don't know what to make of varsoon going after creature. I guess scum him would have gone after me more likely but it's not enough to change me read on him
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Post Post #2488 (isolation #444) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:38 pm

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Who is scum, creature?
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Post Post #2490 (isolation #445) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:18 pm

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mbaki i feel like your numbers and percentages and explanation are just random bs?
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Post Post #2491 (isolation #446) » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:22 pm

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DDL, why would scum mbaki kill dann?
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Post Post #2518 (isolation #447) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:42 am

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Moongrass what is your experience with mafia and how much reading have you done?
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Post Post #2526 (isolation #448) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:52 am

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You townread suka before her claim?
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Post Post #2528 (isolation #449) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:54 am

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Whatever, I think you need to skim isos again because your characterization of slots are just ??? in a lot of cases. Take your time and let it sink in and stuff.
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Post Post #2530 (isolation #450) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:55 am

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Post Post #2540 (isolation #451) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:59 am

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Because I need to know what I'm working with.
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Post Post #2556 (isolation #452) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:07 pm

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My case on Varsoon does not come down to he's trying to out the prs so it's scum. There is more stuff in there, I think I was pretty clear when I said he's trying to out the prs as supporting evidence but the main reason is his low activity and bad responses to questions. In fact I think that part of my case is the least important part?

I don't see how mbaki is an ideal scum push today. Perhaps DDL. I guess varsoon, but you then again he's scummy so yeah.

DDL and mbaki 1v1 is not nuanced or solv-y. In fact its the opposite. Maybe it started out ok but they ended up slinging mud at each other. I don't get the genuine impression at all.
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Post Post #2560 (isolation #453) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:10 pm

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You are going to just sit on me this entire day aren't you?
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Post Post #2562 (isolation #454) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:11 pm

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I mean at least sit down and read my iso instead of light skim
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Post Post #2565 (isolation #455) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:12 pm

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Moongrass, explain why Varsoon is town?
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Post Post #2571 (isolation #456) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:18 pm

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Spoiler: here are some posts varsoon made today that i dont like
In post 2126, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.
In post 2137, Varsoon wrote:Creature always goes before me, no matter what.
In post 2150, Varsoon wrote:I'm Town Universal Backup.
I inherited Nero's Town Voyeur role and used it on Creature on N3.

I'll hold my result until after everyone else has claimed.

Main reason I played very cautiously early on was because I didn't want to be killed but still wanted to be suspected enough to be kept around for a lynch.
I was hoping to get something good like cop but eeeh.
In post 2154, Varsoon wrote:Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.
In post 2158, Varsoon wrote:Oh, my result was nothing.
No one visited Creature.
In post 2159, Varsoon wrote:To be more specific, there were no actions performed on Creature.
In post 2180, Varsoon wrote:It's why I scumread the 1-shot Neopolitan claim.
The interactions both the '1-shot' and 'Neopolitan' parts have with Universal Backup are so wonky, I didn't think it'd be a likely role to have.
In post 2195, Varsoon wrote:You don't think DDL would see me as a threat worth removing if he was scum and I was town?
Hm.
In post 2206, Varsoon wrote:@OkaPoka: If creature were to claim something that'd mess with results, like ascetic or commuter. I also wanted to claim LAST with Creature right before me so that EVERYONE would have their claimed results (if any, I figured there'd be at least 1 more because UNIVERSAL BACKUP) and then Creature could claim/manufacture a claim based on what was claimed, then I could slam him if it was out of what I had info about. All in all, not all that likely to catch scum (requires them lying in a specific way) but it's better than nothing.

It's annoying that you pushed me to claim earlier than last.

mbaki's latest post makes sense but also gives me real harsh vibes if scum's mbaki/creature, which is an arrangement that I feel makes some degree of sense.

P-EDIT:
@Oka: It's almost like I leveraged other actual reasons for both my absence and major return to the game in order to excuse the role-related reasons and look more natural so that I'd survive to this point and have maximum role-related info.
In post 2207, Varsoon wrote:Wow it's like you're realizing now how shitty it was for you to insist I claim next
Surprise
It was shitty!
In post 2210, Varsoon wrote:I don't see how it doesn't make sense.
I have a role where I visited Creature, which has functionality based on Creature's role/action followed by the actions others took.
I specifically wanted to claim last.
You're the one that pushed otherwise.
I have a role that is only good late-game because I have to have a night to inherit another role if one even flips.
I specifically played in a way that would maximize my survivability so that I could maximize the use of my role.

I also consistently opposed lynches on town, for what it's worth.
In post 2212, Varsoon wrote:I was PLANNING on CLAIMING LAST and either someone MIGHT LIE about visiting creature or creature MIGHT LIE about not being able to be visited.
It's literally the best possible play for my role, from my perspective.
You shit that up. You should take responsibility. The fact you're still pushing me post-claim legitimately bothers me because you're either willing to compromise our chances at victory or you're scum here and I really don't want to do what I usually do, which is get really fucking pissed off, OMGUS you, and be wrong.
In post 2343, Varsoon wrote:I still really think it's creature, but I'm also kinda done playing this game.

VOTE: mbaki
In post 2347, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: DDL

Like literally I could give less of a shit how this goes
In post 2371, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2360, OkaPoka wrote:ok be honest with me here

you planned to do nothing this game because u were a universal backup?
Until I inherited something and got to use it, yeah.
I was also having trouble engaging with this game since I was in, like, 4 others at the same time
While working full time
While sicker than I've been all year
While catching a signup ban over something that's really made me not want to play mafia
But yeah if you wanna scumread me for it like Oka, be my guest?
In post 2367, DrDolittle wrote:we agree on that suka's town.

so the persons that remain is {me, mbaki, kmd, creature}

I know I'm town (take my word on this, or whatever see my flip and decide tomorrow). I townread kmd right now. So that leaves mbaki and creature.
I also think it's probably Mbaki Creature if you flip town.

VOTE: Creature

Can we just
Please
Lynch Creature?
In post 2373, Varsoon wrote:@Oka: It's almost as if I literally wrote that people should be judged on their play rather than their claim
And holy shit it turned out I was RIGHT for a THIRD TIME and, when it comes to BEF, that I was RIGHT in TWO WAYS--both that the claim was false and that his play was town play
But no
Fuck me
Don't listen to me

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Cool your jets, mbaki
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Post Post #2576 (isolation #457) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:20 pm

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Varsoon should never ask creature to go first if he voyeur'd creature.

He should have asked literally anyone else except creature. Raises chance of a catch.
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Post Post #2579 (isolation #458) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:22 pm

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when ur bussing saudade u gotta post a lot to keep up with his 800 posts
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Post Post #2586 (isolation #459) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:24 pm

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Yeah but your compromise involved creature going before you.

Point is if you were going to compromise, you should've compromised with an alternative pick of who goes before you.
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Post Post #2587 (isolation #460) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:25 pm

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I get that you proposed going last but when I said no, your compromise option was creature goes before you only which doesn't make sense as a voyeur who targetted creature?
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Post Post #2589 (isolation #461) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:26 pm

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What? What about my timeline is wrong?
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Post Post #2590 (isolation #462) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:26 pm

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You propose massclaim

You say you go last

I say no

...

Your compromise is creature goes before you
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Post Post #2594 (isolation #463) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:32 pm

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In post 2092, Varsoon wrote:I've got info that may or may not expose if someone is lying, so I should probably go last or near-last.
In post 2096, Varsoon wrote:Mbaki can go first.
In post 2098, Varsoon wrote:Aight then. DDL claim first.
In post 2107, Varsoon wrote:Last three should be mbaki, Creature, then me?
In post 2111, Varsoon wrote:I will claim after you.
Much, much after you.
As in I will claim last.

I'd also appreciate it if you full-claimed instead of playing the 'I have info but for after everyone else claims teehee'
But ay whatever
I believe you.

You also shouldn't be floppin your vote like that.
In post 2113, OkaPoka wrote:I'll claim after varsoon.

I'll massclaim whatever. Just varsoon goes first here.
In post 2126, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.
In post 2114, Varsoon wrote:Oka, I'll take that as a scum claim.

I'm not going to bend to your will.
In post 2136, OkaPoka wrote:I'm not fakeclaiming against you.

If you want me to case you I can. I don't think I need to because anyone can click ISO on you and come to the same conclusion as me. If I have to gladiate votes onto you I will.

I don't need to unvote.

fine we can mass claim but varsoon goes first because I think I see exactly where this is going.
In post 2137, Varsoon wrote:Creature always goes before me, no matter what.
Here is the timeline?

You want massclaim.
You want to go last.
I say no.
You say yes.
I say you have to go first.
You say ok fine but creature goes before me.

But you voyeur.
You watch creature.
Therefore, if you had to mandate one person to go before you and your stated goal is to catch a liar.
It would be
anyone else. except creature.
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Post Post #2595 (isolation #464) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:33 pm

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But this whole claiming thing isn't even the biggest reason why I'm scumreading you.

It's your low activity and unwillingness to do anything early? You make vanity attempts at doing things but never follow through? And then your explanation as to why keeps flipping until it solidifies as a mix of both? What?
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Post Post #2596 (isolation #465) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:35 pm

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wtf my multiquote order got messed up
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Post Post #2599 (isolation #466) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:38 pm

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here's the great thing tho

if you think im town you shouldn't be voting me

if you think im scum, you shouldn't be this pissed off at me

therefore this rage is kinda manufactured? town rage usually comes from wow this town sucks i hate all of you
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Post Post #2602 (isolation #467) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:40 pm

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mbaki pls

vote varsoon

this is fake rage

fake
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Post Post #2605 (isolation #468) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:44 pm

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ok but there is a difference of you being pissed at someone because of how they are playing vs throwing a tantrum out of rage

like sure i get pissed at people i scumread but usually i get pissed when people don't listen to me, in the end if they are scum then its respectable, the people i get pissed at are myself for failing or town for not listening

but throwing a tantrum ?

nah man

u dont throw a tantrum at someone u scumread
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Post Post #2608 (isolation #469) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:48 pm

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Well his recent readslist makes it clear that I'm in his scum pool.

And if he thinks im town he shouldn't be voting me.
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Post Post #2609 (isolation #470) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:49 pm

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In post 2585, Varsoon wrote:YEAH FUCK IT YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW, DICKWEED

VOTE: Oka Pooka
when does town say this
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Post Post #2612 (isolation #471) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:52 pm

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maybe im unique but afaik my tantrums as town usually come from "omg this guy is town and so garbage" or "this guy is so scum why are all you fucks not listening to me" hopefully those days are behind me but ive done it before

my tantrums are scum are more geared as "shut up scum shut up scum shut up scum i hate you you suck me mad me rage me make excuse not to play"
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Post Post #2614 (isolation #472) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:56 pm

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why is varsoon townnnnn?
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Post Post #2622 (isolation #473) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:50 pm

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I've walked this road before...

Moongrass why is varsoon town?
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Post Post #2631 (isolation #474) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:24 pm

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It doesn't make sense.
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Post Post #2633 (isolation #475) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:46 pm

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We are kinda under time pressure ~3 days
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Post Post #2637 (isolation #476) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:14 pm

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Second scumbud:

DDL would make the most sense to me, he's AtE'ing and getting very mucky like he did in his last scum game and his tone has been shifty this game. However, there are certain AtE tactics he used that game in which he hasn't yet, so I'm not pulling the trigger on that read and locking it in. There is also some interesting read progressions, but I don't know how that fits into the grand scheme of things.

Mbaki is another pick I am considering. Basically I still can't wrap my head around his self vote and I really don't like how he handled DDL. I'd expect mbaki to highroad DDL in that instance, but he didn't which is a bit strange to me because he's been calling out the playerlist a lot this game. However, there is also the fact that I agreed with him a lot later day 2 and early day 3, which means we are on the same wavelength a lot of the time, and I don't think scum can possibly replicate that close of a wavelength match with me. Like his analysis on Vorkuta and BEF were on point with what I was thinking, even the details of said cases.

Anyways mbaki readflip basically happened because I started agreeing with him a lot even with my scumread on him, and basically it hit me that maybe I was tunneling. I voted BEF out of the gate because I felt like it was inevitable that BEF was going to get voted up so I wanted to force a claim out without waiting. And then he had bad claim.
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Post Post #2638 (isolation #477) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:15 pm

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With that being said, anything other than Varsoon lynch is suboptimal and thus bad.
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Post Post #2640 (isolation #478) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:20 pm

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I guess?

varsoon is also the person that was scared of being at l2 today because scum could quickhammer if they wanted to. which is like what?
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Post Post #2643 (isolation #479) » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:37 pm

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hey moongrass, how much of this game have you read?
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Post Post #2660 (isolation #480) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:16 am

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Mbaki, are you even considering varsoon scum seriously?
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Post Post #2661 (isolation #481) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:19 am

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Moongrass I need you to elaborate on varsoon town because you are basically conf town and either I'm wrong or you are wrong but I'm pretty sure I'm right sooo
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Post Post #2665 (isolation #482) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:22 am

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Well I've made a post where I was considering other buddies but ok
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Post Post #2721 (isolation #483) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:39 am

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This is silly
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Post Post #2722 (isolation #484) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:41 am

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Nobody is actually considering any of my opinions
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Post Post #2723 (isolation #485) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:41 am

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Except creature.
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Post Post #2724 (isolation #486) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:43 am

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Moongrass doesn't have a valid case.
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Post Post #2725 (isolation #487) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:44 am

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And he hasn't explained why varsoon is town
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Post Post #2726 (isolation #488) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:52 am

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And mbakis proposition is going to ensure a loss.
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Post Post #2727 (isolation #489) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:53 am

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Like what? Regardless of how I flip? Not going to consider a varsoon scum when I flip town? No? Ok then
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Post Post #2728 (isolation #490) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:54 am

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Not even sure if mbaki is scum here but we lose if we follow him

Literally varsoon is going to get away with this because nobody is taking me seriously
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Post Post #2731 (isolation #491) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:56 am

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You need to explain your townread on varsoon or I cant play bro
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Post Post #2734 (isolation #492) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:06 pm

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If we lose because we didn't lynch varsoon it's still my fault that I failed to convince you guys. If I wanted another lynch i would've hammered either of you, but I don't because scum varsoon is there.

I'll case him harder later.

Oh my God it's a townslip player
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Post Post #2736 (isolation #493) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:10 pm

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Yes
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Post Post #2738 (isolation #494) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:14 pm

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If I write walls will you guys read it or would you prefer me doing smaller posts
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Post Post #2740 (isolation #495) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:16 pm

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I think you need to read day 1 because yyottacat.
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Post Post #2741 (isolation #496) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:17 pm

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Oh and Suka was being useless too
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Post Post #2750 (isolation #497) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:05 pm

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Part 1: Who is Varsoon?


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To preface, I’m taking a different tone and style than I usually do to write this case. Why? Because obviously the way I delivered my case does not work. Either I’m wrong, or everyone else is. And I’m pretty sure I’m right here. So let’s start.

First, Varsoon is an experienced player and moderator, I want to emphasize this because it is important in reading a slot such as his versus let’s say, Vorkuta. He should read differently than newbies, because he should know Mafia on Mafiascum is played, he should be capable at the very least of understanding how basic mechanics and setups work.

Of course, this game has been different. He himself admits that here:
In post 529, Varsoon wrote:Spiderverse was really good, probably one of my favorite animated movies ever made.

Also, some shit happened that's really soured me on playing mafia so I might just replace out here since I'm having trouble keeping up. :/
In post 2371, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2360, OkaPoka wrote:ok be honest with me here

you planned to do nothing this game because u were a universal backup?
Until I inherited something and got to use it, yeah.
I was also having trouble engaging with this game since I was in, like, 4 others at the same time
While working full time
While sicker than I've been all year
While catching a signup ban over something that's really made me not want to play mafia
But yeah if you wanna scumread me for it like Oka, be my guest?
*snip*
But what has been interesting has been the shifting explanation as to why he’s been acting this way, keep in mind, he’s been posting in other games earlier on while on V/LA and creature has called him out on it for not participating much this game. His activity has only spiked in this day.
In post 2029, Varsoon wrote:All the other games I was in have ended so now I'll probably be more present here.
Maybe.
Sorry for low-efforting this.
In post 2045, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2043, mbaki wrote:Fish is lynched, but North is not a mod that instalocks usually so we have time.

Have you read the full game Varsoon?
I've been skimming really hard.
So I've read it in the same way a college student has read the books they are assigned to read each week for an English class.
In post 2044, Dannflor wrote:To articulate better, you said you had two people in mind you would rather lynch, and even minor traction on one of the wagons, and then just kinda shrugged and voted BEF instead, who you'd previously said you didn't want to lynch today.
Eh, saw the logic for BEF, wasn't a huge fan of the BEF claim (it doesn't line up with what I think is designed, but again, could be mod WIFOM)
And yeah
S'bout it
I'm now kinda worried it'll flip green and I'll break my streak of saying "Bad lynch" and the lynch being a bad lynch but we'll see.
These posts come day 3 by the way. Pretty self-evident what he means here. He’s been low efforting this game, doesn’t want to play really. Apathetic. Not really keeping up.
In post 2210, Varsoon wrote:I don't see how it doesn't make sense.
I have a role where I visited Creature, which has functionality based on Creature's role/action followed by the actions others took.
I specifically wanted to claim last.
You're the one that pushed otherwise.
I have a role that is only good late-game because I have to have a night to inherit another role if one even flips.
I specifically played in a way that would maximize my survivability so that I could maximize the use of my role.

I also consistently opposed lynches on town, for what it's worth.
This is the first hint of him changing to the tune as to why he’s played this way. Now he’s explicitly saying his low effort has been a result of his role claim, UB, which does add credibility to his claim because well, it’s an explanation for two issues that people have with his slot. But the reason has shifted. Town doesn’t need to change their tunes. They don’t need to increase the credibility of why they’ve played they played.

And of course finally, this above post, after me calling him out on doing nothing, he merges his explanations together to one.

Now he goes onto continue explaining everything away, but I think I’ve made my point clear. His explanation towards his activity has shifted for no good reason, he’s adding credibility to himself when that’s not what Town does.
In post 2747, Varsoon wrote:Yeah I was really hoping that I could afford to play bad until my role reveal but it turned out that only Nero really cranked out decent play.
:/
Apparently he made this post just now so yeah. He doesn’t have a solid story.
---
My next point in this section will deal with his experience. Rather, things that don’t make sense from an experienced player PoV and probably just a good ol’ AtE.
In post 2115, Varsoon wrote:Thanks for putting town within range for scum to quickhammer if they wanted, jackass.
He is at L2 here. No reason to be worried unless both scum out themselves here to fast hammer in which case we catch two scum. And he can’t make the excuse that we are in LYLO because he recognizes earlier that we aren’t.
In post 2122, Varsoon wrote:@Oka: It's a closed setup. Scum could be sitting on a vig. Anything's possible. I don't take those kinds of chances. You shouldn't, either.
This is his attempt to reason what he believed. He continues to insist on me unvoting him at L2 for whatever reason and now his explanation is
In post 2144, Varsoon wrote:
In post 2142, OkaPoka wrote:Why does it matter if I unvote?

If scum decides to yoloquickhammer here, they would out themselves.

They can't win in this nightphase. They have no extra kills, that is not normal. 4v9 isn't possible.
The closer ANYONE is to lynch range, the easier it is for some stupid shit to happen that compromises us during or after massclaim and I'm not going to let this game be a loss because someone got a hard on for me.
And then we have his weird attempt to towncase himself
In post 2193, Varsoon wrote:You'd think that I'd be killed by now if DDL was scum, right?
Since I had such a hard-on for their lynch and, apparently, with rb's flip, I looked pretty town, right?
In post 2195, Varsoon wrote:You don't think DDL would see me as a threat worth removing if he was scum and I was town?
Hm.
Only after mbaki calls him out for being unreasonable. (Because Varsoon has done very little up until today)
In post 2197, Varsoon wrote:Damn, dude.
I guess it's true, though. I played in a way that'd make me very low priority to kill and that's on top of me being a shitter at this game.


Point is Varsoon is being overreactive and making questionable points that end up getting refuted. He shifts explanations again. This is scummy because it shows that he can’t have a consistent thought, probably because his thoughts aren’t genuine.

More parts later.
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Post Post #2753 (isolation #498) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:38 pm

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Part 2: The real DrDolittle


Waltz.

No I’m not going to talk about DDL, I’m just saying that Varsoon has done little.

But Varsoon doesn’t want you to believe that.
In post 2358, Varsoon wrote:Oka, if you're town, you're gonna have to come off this shit where you're insisting I'm scum
Like how the fuck am I to engage with that even?

Ya'll never cared to listen to me before and ya'll don't care to listen to me now but fuck it
I also consistently opposed lynches on town, for what it's worth.
Let’s see how much “opposition” he has really done.
Lynch 1: YyottaCat lynch.
In post 956, Varsoon wrote:Why are you all jumping on Yyotta? Is it the low post count?
This game is hard for me to parse.
40 pages and no one's said anything of hard substance for me.
Why are you all so formless?
That’s not a defense sir. That’s not a position. That’s just a question!
In post 967, Varsoon wrote:It gives us nothing, imo.
In post 970, Varsoon wrote:That's what all flips do, though.
What I mean is that I wish the interactions with the wagon were more palpable.
In post 972, Varsoon wrote:I don't think it'll flip scum, though.
Getting a mislynch with low info is the worst outcome.
In post 974, Varsoon wrote:I don't have a read on Yyota.
I don't think I've had a single interaction on the slot.
I'd lean it more likely town than not given how other players have treated it, though.
Oh… I see.
Wait!
In post 962, Varsoon wrote:By my count, it's hammered.
Why did we relent from DDL when he claimed VT at L-1?
In post 964, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: Yyotta
Just to be sure, then.
It's an awful lynch, in my opinion.
This came before those other posts. You didn’t start defending the slot until twilight. Strange.

So no, he hasn’t really opposed this lynch, unless you count twilight defense. Then I guess he has.

Lynch 2: Vorkuta!

In post 1286, Varsoon wrote:It ain't Vorkuta either.
*claps*

Anyways here is every post Varsoon made in day 2 (A day in which by my counts had ~500 posts)
In post 1062, Varsoon wrote:
In post 981, mbaki wrote:I believe that means Vorkuta is town?
In post 984, OkaPoka wrote:i think this means anyone rb suspected = town?

i think then this game can be on lock
In post 1007, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: vorkuta

unless we can get a vig confirmation
Why ya'll actin like you don't know how traitor works.

@MOD: Can you explain how the role you just flipped works? kthx


Obv that scum killed RB and didn't realize he was their traitor
If RB didn't know his team's identities, then alignment conclusions can't really be drawn.
Even if he did, I don't think it matters all that much.
In post 1064, Varsoon wrote:I've seen it iterated where Traitor doesn't know team and team knows there is a traitor but not who.
In post 1067, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, I think mods not posting full role PMs and just relying on shorthand is confusing.
Especially since we don't have an agreed-upon nomenclature.
So when I see 'traitor' I just have to try to infer what that means and hope the mod's iteration is the same as the wiki's.

My thoughts are the same as ever. DDO's probably scum. Didn't BEF claim a guilty on you? What happened with that?

P-EDIT:
What's a Normal Rolecop?
In post 1257, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: Dr Do Little

Money,
Mouth,
etc.
In post 1286, Varsoon wrote:It ain't Vorkuta either.
In post 1350, Varsoon wrote:Damn Creature, go be a less mean pokemon again.
In post 1287, OkaPoka wrote:varsoon would u like to elaborate on ddl
Dude's scum, what's there to elaborate on?
B-sides, I don't have a ton of great leads otherwise.
In post 1792, Varsoon wrote:Not a fan of Oka proposing a wagon on me with no supporting case and immediately testing the waters by defaulting to Nero
Have some damn gumption of your own, man.
In post 1796, Varsoon wrote:@Oka: Gross.

@DDL: You need to do more to show how BEF is scum in this game.
In post 1804, Varsoon wrote:@Oka: Testing validity instead of making a committing mistake is the sort of self-aware play scum makes.
9 posts. First 3 posts are set up questions. So that’s 6 posts left. He voted DDL, and when asked about why, his response is “because he is.” No push, no explanation, just hi and bye. Zero elaboration. Just questions and shading of people who oppose his slot (Me). His “opposition” is nothing more than a throwaway comment. It serves no purpose for anyone else. He doesn’t have the credibility to say “I’m town so you have to trust me on this one” nor does he elaborate on his beliefs, thus it means nothing. And in a day in which so much transpired, he didn’t comment on most events, including me fighting mbaki, rb crumbs, nothing more than throwaway comments at a time in which Vorkuta was at L1 and was going to get lynched. If he was so sure, why not defend? Point is he didn’t, but he would like us to think that he did.

Lynch 3: The BEF lynch.

He voted to lynch BEF. So yeah. He says he townread him based on gameplay and scumread based on claim, but from a guy who says
In post 1934, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1903, DrDolittle wrote:with the voyeur + traitor flips this is likely to be a game of little PR powers. does 1-shot neop make sense in this set up?
I think it's far less likely for single shot roles to exist in this game with the presence of voyeur, but I'm not about to spec 'cus mod WIFOM has screwed me in the past.

Regardless
Judge people based on their play rather than the contents of their claim.
And then votes him.
In post 2005, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: BEF

Aight then
Did he really oppose that lynch? If anything he is being contradictory.

Varsoon hasn’t truly opposed a lynch. He hasn’t elaborated on reads really. His reads are lack elaboration so when he complains why we don’t listen to him, it's nothing more than useless AtE. He doesn’t interact unless someone calls him out.
In post 370, Varsoon wrote:I don't think asking for a catchup is scum-indicative, I just want to see how'd you respond and what your justifications are, which helps me draw a bit more of a bead on how you play, given I don't have much meta experience with you.

VOTE: Dr Dolitte
I do think this doctor has done little.
So when this is the best case I think he has thrown together, there is a problem here. And he has done less than DDL. His stances are paper thin because they lack reasoning. Up until today and maybe later day 4, that’s what Varsoon has been doing. Little.

More parts later when I have time again. I have more stuff.
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Post Post #2773 (isolation #499) » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:01 pm

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Part 3: USB and Voyeurism


Vivace.

This section will cover Varsoon’s claim. I’ve already covered earlier how his explanation about play has shifted, but it's time to put the play under a microscope.

Let’s start with day 4 here, but pre-claim Varsoon.
In post 2087, Varsoon wrote:We should mass claim
I'm fairly certain we might be able to get a lynch in the right direction with that.
So it begins. Varsoon suggest the mass claim, which isn’t the worst idea pre-LYLO. However, I do believe he is scum for reasons laid out before, and well I did have an issue with this part of his suggestion
In post 2092, Varsoon wrote:I've got info that may or may not expose if someone is lying, so I should probably go last or near-last.
I doubt he’s town. I don’t believe he should ever go last, because I think he’s scum and trying to set things up. However the other important thing to note here is that last part. He claims to have info that could expose a liar. This is essential.

I challenge Varsoon’s credibility. And well, he offers his new compromise:
In post 2126, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.
In post 2137, Varsoon wrote:Creature always goes before me, no matter what.
Note that he wants CREATURE ← Yes that guy, to go before him as his only prerequisite for his “compromise” idea. That’s his compromise. Let’s hold onto that idea as well as the idea that he can expose liars with his supposed claim.
In post 2150, Varsoon wrote:I'm Town Universal Backup.
I inherited Nero's Town Voyeur role and used it on Creature on N3.

I'll hold my result until after everyone else has claimed.

Main reason I played very cautiously early on was because I didn't want to be killed but still wanted to be suspected enough to be kept around for a lynch.
I was hoping to get something good like cop but eeeh.
And here is the claim directly after Creature’s claim.
In post 2154, Varsoon wrote:Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.
His explanation as to why.
In post 2158, Varsoon wrote:Oh, my result was nothing.
No one visited Creature.
hey moongrass if you are reading this next post you make better have "chicken pot pie is very good" because I feel like you aren't reading these posts

His result.

Okay if you haven’t understood why this is wrong and scummy, here’s why.

Let’s say we are Town Voyeur here. And we only have one result on Person X. Based on the mechanics of a Voyeur, it catches the actions performed on Person X, it won’t be able to catch anything really from Person X. No result would be the closest thing, suggesting either ascetics or commuters or even roleblocks. These things muddy the water. However, it would be clear on other actions. Like a protection, investigation, killing, etc. These things aren’t muddy. If someone lies here, it’s clear. So the best way to catch a lie with voyeur is basically checking the night actions of others except Person X. Of course I disallowed that, as Varsoon would like to repeat again and again. But I want to remind everyone, that the Creature claim before he claims was HIS idea. That was his suggestion for a compromise, the slightly less optimal play. However, this is in fact the least optimal way to catch a lie with Voyeurs. He needs to catch actions performed on Person X rather than elsewhere. His play doesn’t line up with his role. Compounded with the idea that his stated goal of mass claiming was to catch a liar, so this idea was already existent in his mind, means that he wasn’t thinking like a Voyeur. Or, he isn’t a Voyeur.

Now his explanation makes no sense. He saw that Creature had nobody perform any actions on him, Creature isn’t stuck to any claim really. Creature could say he travelled to heaven and hell and back and Varsoon wouldn’t know. Creature isn’t forced anywhere, precisely because the way Varsoon ordered the compromise claim order means that he can’t catch a liar. Because he wasn’t thinking like a Voyeur. He isn’t a Voyeur.
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Post Post #2786 (isolation #500) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:13 am

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Have none of my posts changed any minds?
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Post Post #2787 (isolation #501) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:16 am

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Have you all read my 3 parts? Is it even worth making my other 2 parts?
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Post Post #2788 (isolation #502) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:17 am

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What's wrong with my posts? It's more than enough I think
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Post Post #2791 (isolation #503) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:30 am

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Well wasn't that a great use of time then
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Post Post #2794 (isolation #504) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:37 am

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Yeah ok I dont see varsoon getting lynched today.

Ill hammer mbaki later
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Post Post #2916 (isolation #505) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:01 pm

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well hello lads

ive have a very exhausting day, catching up
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Post Post #2917 (isolation #506) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:02 pm

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ok im skimming this quickly cuz we have people online
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Post Post #2920 (isolation #507) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:04 pm

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how do we have less consensus in the 10 hours i was gone
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Post Post #2921 (isolation #508) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:05 pm

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why are the wagons shifting so much
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Post Post #2922 (isolation #509) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:05 pm

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i assume everyone just ignored my 3 part posts?
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Post Post #2926 (isolation #510) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:06 pm

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mbaki has no excuse now

and ddl + moongrass promised to read it so

@creature against a traitor setup? i think thats ok
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Post Post #2927 (isolation #511) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:07 pm

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In post 2925, Moongrass wrote:
In post 2918, DrDolittle wrote:moongrass you do see that varsoon is relatively likely town due to his claim and role, right. do you think oka's resistance to this idea is scum-death-tunnel or town-oka being dense?
This isn't town Oka. Town!Oka isn't dense, nor very confident in his reads.
[citation needed]
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Post Post #2932 (isolation #512) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:09 pm

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fwiw the titles of my next two parts were going to be

rage Rage RAGE

and

An Unexpected Journey
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Post Post #2935 (isolation #513) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:11 pm

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In post 2931, mbaki wrote:
In post 2927, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2925, Moongrass wrote:
In post 2918, DrDolittle wrote:moongrass you do see that varsoon is relatively likely town due to his claim and role, right. do you think oka's resistance to this idea is scum-death-tunnel or town-oka being dense?
This isn't town Oka. Town!Oka isn't dense, nor very confident in his reads.
[citation needed]
Can you show a town game where you case in a similar manner and confidence?
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76814

Don't be an asshole please and judgmental thanks
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Post Post #2936 (isolation #514) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:11 pm

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viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76645

oh this one was with not_mafia
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Post Post #2938 (isolation #515) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm

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confidence of reads depends on context of games tho really

im not confident every game
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Post Post #2939 (isolation #516) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm

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all about context
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Post Post #2944 (isolation #517) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:15 pm

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Let's start working towards consensus?

First step is having everyone read my three walls so we can work from there.

@mbaki if u read that game u will understand
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Post Post #2945 (isolation #518) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:16 pm

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I guess, don't let my questionable judgement that game affect how you perceive my reads this game because I feel like I evolved read-wise a lot since then
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Post Post #2947 (isolation #519) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:17 pm

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Yeah

but his play has been really scummy?
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Post Post #2951 (isolation #520) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:18 pm

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i have no business setup speccing tho

i thought vig+jk+gs+voyeur in 13p is ridiculously townsided that it was laughable but apparently not
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Post Post #2952 (isolation #521) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:19 pm

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anyways read my walls please so we can start working somewhere because being cohesive is kinda really important right now
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Post Post #2954 (isolation #522) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:24 pm

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tmr as in rl tomorrow or game tomorrow
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Post Post #2957 (isolation #523) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:26 pm

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hey when ur done reading my 3 walls just say something so we can begin discussion together and then hopefully we have enough time to analyze other stuff together

pedit: ok hopefully ur an east coast early bird
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Post Post #2959 (isolation #524) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:32 pm

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well unvoting is just a formality

ive said what i needed to say i think

maybe not creature, i dunno man. i think creature is town by PoE because its Varsoon + mbaki/DDL i think
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Post Post #2960 (isolation #525) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:34 pm

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my nancy push was def not quality

i kinda was just lashing out there because either i was being a jerk or she was scum and i figured id live in the latter reality

trinity push was the core of that game tho imo
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Post Post #2961 (isolation #526) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:37 pm

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though that was interesting because it was really me vs nancy over trinity
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Post Post #2963 (isolation #527) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:38 pm

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just mbaki left of the promisers?
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Post Post #2965 (isolation #528) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:42 pm

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its not about a smoking gun

its about the holistic view

but lets talk about ur read on mbaki

where is ur smoking gun on him
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Post Post #2967 (isolation #529) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:04 pm

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u left out the part where immediately after i posted intent he went over to creature
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Post Post #2970 (isolation #530) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:43 pm

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am i high?

i explained why his claim order didnt make sense as a voyeur
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Post Post #2972 (isolation #531) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:51 pm

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i tr u but the u arent making sense to me

why aren't we resolving one in mbaki/ddl today?
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Post Post #2974 (isolation #532) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:08 pm

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why creature over one in ddl/mbaki?
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Post Post #2976 (isolation #533) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:14 pm

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i mean ur going to have to explain more than that because i tr creature still

i dont think there is a high scum equity in me/creature

i do think it needs to be one of ddl/mbaki

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Post Post #2979 (isolation #534) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:20 pm

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which indicates?

@moongrass honestly im leaning mbaki now because self hammer threat
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Post Post #2980 (isolation #535) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:20 pm

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like the more i think about it, the more the self hammer threat is just ????
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Post Post #2982 (isolation #536) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:23 pm

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i dont see how that is relevant to alignment sorting or even accurate?
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Post Post #2983 (isolation #537) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:24 pm

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u need to break this down like u broke down why you thought varsoon is town
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Post Post #2985 (isolation #538) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:29 pm

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about mbaki?

selfvoting and threatening to self hammer are def the scummiest things i find
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Post Post #2988 (isolation #539) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:30 pm

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I don't know if crumbs should be used after what happened to vorkuta

Mbaki does AtE a lot, and it works i guess. But threatening to self hammer is really a form of AtE and so is self voting.
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Post Post #2989 (isolation #540) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:32 pm

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maybe its creature but if creature flips town then u guys line up to me and then we lose
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Post Post #2990 (isolation #541) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:35 pm

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which is why lynching creature today is no good because it would have to be an absolute certainty lynch
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Post Post #2991 (isolation #542) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:36 pm

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at least one in ddl/mbaki moves the game along and resolves something
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Post Post #2993 (isolation #543) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:37 pm

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VOTE: mbaki

do this please

or ddl
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Post Post #3116 (isolation #544) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:13 pm

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hi guys im here im tired and stuff but im here
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Post Post #3119 (isolation #545) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:16 pm

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i think its varsoon + mbaki/ddl but im not going to argue about varsoon
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Post Post #3121 (isolation #546) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:17 pm

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Moongrass is like a worse version of TTTT
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Post Post #3123 (isolation #547) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:19 pm

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Can I just say I'm town or do I need to argue things because arguing is very exhausting and id prefer if we just agreed im town

alternative is i can pull something out of my scum playbook and complain but thats also very hard
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Post Post #3129 (isolation #548) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:22 pm

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hey can we not lynch me though
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Post Post #3136 (isolation #549) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:25 pm

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lynching me is very bad

<insert some AtE and emotional backstory so you all feel bad for me and don't want to lynch me>
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Post Post #3141 (isolation #550) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:31 pm

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well there isnt 4 of us so it doesnt really matter lets get back to talking about how lynching me would be bad and lynching mbaki might be good
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Post Post #3147 (isolation #551) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:36 pm

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kmd ive made enough posts about varsoon and i dont feel like making more so sucks to suck but yeah im not in the mood for that

and gs+jk+vig+voyeur was way too townsided so we should lynch one and shoot the other and yeah and so on and things
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Post Post #3150 (isolation #552) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:41 pm

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i wont be awake by deadline so lets start making decisions and stuff because staying up until 3 a.m. my time isnt something id like to do
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Post Post #3153 (isolation #553) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:42 pm

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i honestly feel like my role is here to weaken strength of follower and rolecop
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Post Post #3155 (isolation #554) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:45 pm

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voyeur is just such a useless role where i dont think it matters there
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Post Post #3156 (isolation #555) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:46 pm

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i think it would be pretty funny if rb rolecop'd me and was like oh no maf friends are roleblocking me
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Post Post #3159 (isolation #556) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:51 pm

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whatever varsoon town potaytoe potahto this conversation is kinda a waste of time
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Post Post #3160 (isolation #557) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:52 pm

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lakers are choking hard wtfffffff
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Post Post #3162 (isolation #558) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:54 pm

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what do you want to hear my opinion on that i havent already said
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Post Post #3168 (isolation #559) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:59 pm

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lmao that means im gonezo doesnt it
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Post Post #3169 (isolation #560) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:00 pm

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if u idiots lynch creature tomorrow
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Post Post #3171 (isolation #561) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:00 pm

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ill be : ^ )
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Post Post #3172 (isolation #562) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:01 pm

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at least zubac can hit free throws
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Post Post #3175 (isolation #563) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:03 pm

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FUCK YOU ERIC GORDON
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Post Post #3176 (isolation #564) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:03 pm

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nvm im not ok with getting lynched if lakers lose in ot
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Post Post #3181 (isolation #565) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:06 pm

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HOUSTON HAVE THE LEAD
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Post Post #3188 (isolation #566) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:08 pm

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omg brandon ingram if u win this ill take back all my salt at ur contested midrange 2 shots
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Post Post #3192 (isolation #567) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:09 pm

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whats the fastest cfd ever in the history of mankinf
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Post Post #3194 (isolation #568) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:12 pm

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wanna cfd ddl
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Post Post #3195 (isolation #569) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:13 pm

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VOTE: ddl

be back in a few minutes
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Post Post #3209 (isolation #570) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:27 pm

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lakers lost
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Post Post #3211 (isolation #571) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:29 pm

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i was actually just bp lmao im sorry i wanted to bait suka because i thought she was scum and then i stuck to my claim cuz i didnt want to die sorry im going to go hide now
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Post Post #3214 (isolation #572) » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:30 pm

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im so sorry
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Post Post #3344 (isolation #573) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:23 pm

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gj townies q_Q

sorry kmd
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Post Post #3349 (isolation #574) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:27 pm

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ty but i messed up pretty big there so big oof
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Post Post #3351 (isolation #575) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:29 pm

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me pew pew
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Post Post #3355 (isolation #576) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:31 pm

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i think i should've hammered mbaki there

i just didn't expect the wagons to redirect towards me
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Post Post #3361 (isolation #577) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:34 pm

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honestly suka outplayed me there

i thought ok suka tracked me but is hesistating which means he probs got no result on me so i was like i have to claim ascetic to save myself there

and then he was gambitting

fkkk

sorry varsoon for the tunnel, i was hoping i would get townread for being don quijote but alas
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Post Post #3362 (isolation #578) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:35 pm

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imo u weren't just much of a kill that mattered because u were lynchable and u weren't in a position to do anything to threaten us
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Post Post #3369 (isolation #579) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:39 pm

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ty for timely vcs
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Post Post #3374 (isolation #580) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:47 pm

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ok now lets figure out who suka is an alt of
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Post Post #3375 (isolation #581) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:48 pm

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also moongrass are u tttt
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Post Post #3377 (isolation #582) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:54 pm

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is chamber guess wrong i was looking for cases are scummy and stuff like that
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Post Post #3388 (isolation #583) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:02 pm

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yes yes yes i love setup threads
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Post Post #3396 (isolation #584) » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:29 pm

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ive never played with a traitor before but if i were to make a setup with a traitor id make it mandatory that there would be some way to find traitors ie loyal neighborizers bc thats interesting
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