Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: YyottaCat

Why me?

Getting nervous already?

VOTE: YyottaCat

[BrightEyedFish]

That whole page just felt like shit posting...

New page, new start?

But, seriously why was it shit. We are slowly getting things moving along here.

[BrightEyedFish]

wow brighteyedfish is town imo

Thanks.

[BrightEyedFish]

That whole page just felt like shit posting...

New page, new start?

But, seriously why was it shit. We are slowly getting things moving along here.

If you disagree, why didn't you comment on any of it?

Why are you answering my question with a question?

[BrightEyedFish]

I want to know what you found relevant in there because you implied there was something. Seems more productive to focus on what mattered than what didn't.

I implied that we are finally starting to get rolling here. I wasn't speaking to a single post just my overall feel. Does this upset you? Would you be happy if we just extended RVS til page 30-40?

[BrightEyedFish]

I would like to lynch YyottaCat.

Yeah, why not?

[BrightEyedFish]

Happy Birthday Creature!

[BrightEyedFish]

anyone want to help me get caught up? Is YyottaCat still the best lynch?

[BrightEyedFish]

So am I being voted for being lazy or am I being voted because suka and varsoon are scum buddies and want to get people off that wagon?

VOTE: Suka

[BrightEyedFish]

What's wrong with asking for help?

[BrightEyedFish]

When you've only got 6 pages to catch up on, it seems a lot like you're asking for someone else to give you something easy to follow and, should it turn out poorly for town, you can just claim you were aimless and following that person.

There's a reason why high confidence gets townreads.

Is confidence what you call bullying?

[BrightEyedFish]

Nah. Bullying is bullying.
Confidence is confidence.
Bullying can be confident, but that's neither here nor there.

why do I feel like a victim then?

[BrightEyedFish]

Im just getting my feet wet in this game.
I was pretty busy irl the past few days and couldnt give game enough attention but now I'm off until the new year so expect more from me.

but do you really sr me ?

[BrightEyedFish]

Bef have you read the game yet

Yes albeit more passively than I usually do due to lack of time and work distractions. But I'm ready to roll now.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yay! Hopefully this insight will solidify our sr’s! What do you think of DDL, Fish?

Don't really SR him right now but I get the flack on him though. I don't know if he is trying to use AtE to get people off of him and its having the opposite effect or what.

It looks like he will be MIA for awhile and he might replace out so I'm not too comfortable jumping on that wagon until we know if he will stay here or replace out. I tend to give people who replace in a little room to set their own tone before damning them for the sins of their predecessor.

[BrightEyedFish]

talk more about how you go from town reading me to

me being your #1 scum read

and you want me lynched

Talk more about how the first 20 pages of a game are not allowed to have read changes. I town read you for weak reasons, now I scum read you for weak reasons. Welcome to day 1 of a mafia game. And stop with the underlined, you are adding things in that were never said

constantly

, and it is more argumentative than debate-y.

Nero does make a point. Of course you can have read changes but are your read changes based on evidence or just on gut reads?

I too, am getting a weird vibe from your posts

[BrightEyedFish]

Don't you have to read the game to get a vibe?

I asked you a question first.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: YYotta

ok VOTE: mbaki

LOL

PDA scumance right here.

[BrightEyedFish]

That said, I believe she is just a troll alt account of somebody.

As are you.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm feeling idiotic doing all this alone

Someone come to back up me

What do you need to know?

[BrightEyedFish]

i'd lynch like 5 other people before mbaki at this point, even though i think Nero is right his play isn't great i don't think the bar is very high right now

Who are these 5 mystery scummers?

yyotta
DDL
brighteyedfish
leodanny
vorkuta

if we're lynching for 'fluff content' or lack of content i think these are all more likely to flip scum than mbaki

What do you think about this list?

The only one I really agree with on that list is yyotta.

[BrightEyedFish]

Nero Cain
rb
Varsoon
Creature
mbaki
Vorkuta
Leodanny
BrightEyedFish
OkaPoka
Suka
DrDolittle
YyottaCat
Kmd4390

What about this list?

All are scum.
Except me of course.

[BrightEyedFish]

My top SR at the moment are:
suka
mbaki
yyotta

[BrightEyedFish]

I do not believe many people do. I think the list of people who scum read me is limited to Nero Cain, possibly Doctor Do Little, and possibly YYotta who is likely flipping today.

Did you ever find any meta evidence to place me as town or scum?

[BrightEyedFish]

No.

Well are you still wanting to vote me?

[BrightEyedFish]

No.

Well are you still wanting to vote me?

If YYotta does not go through, it is a possibility.

Would you say I'm #2 on your list?

[BrightEyedFish]

Possibly.

Why are you being so evasive? You are the one who said you wanted to talk.

So you possibly SR me and I am possibly #2 on your list. Do you possibly not have a read on me and are just trying to start something because you know I'm town and a mislynch is good for scum?

[BrightEyedFish]

Possibly.

Why are you being so evasive? You are the one who said you wanted to talk.

So you possibly SR me and I am possibly #2 on your list. Do you possibly not have a read on me and are just trying to start something because you know I'm town and a mislynch is good for scum?

I do scumread you to a degree. I possibly think you're obnoxious and childish, but game related I am unsure if you would be where I voted over YYotta. I might, or might not, one could say it is "possible" I'd vote you but I am unsure.

Geez.
Obnoxious and childish.
Harsh.

[BrightEyedFish]

Should we send him back to MU?

[BrightEyedFish]

Your iso is fishy.

That's better than resorting to insults.

I wouldn't be a fish if I wasn't fishy. But please do tell what worries you in my ISO.

[BrightEyedFish]

Yyotta has had time to show why we shouldn't lynch him but hasn't done anything to show why he is a bad lynch.

I'm just going to throw my vote back his way for his lack of persuasion and to get things moving along

VOTE: YyottaCat

That's L-2.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Vorkuta

Not happy with the yyotta wagon I take it

Perfectly thrilled with it, still my preferred lynch for the day.

Just as yyotta gets to L-2, mbaki unvotes even though he is "Perfectly thrilled with" the yyotta lynch. Scum buddies perhaps?

VOTE: mbaki

[BrightEyedFish]

Ah Mafiascum, you never disappoint.

I thought you were new to MS? Another lie?

[BrightEyedFish]

He can't meta me because I don't play here.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm from another mafia site, so I doubt you do, but good luck if so!

[BrightEyedFish]

and...

[BrightEyedFish]

Good for you I guess

[BrightEyedFish]

Ah Mafiascum, you never disappoint.

I thought you were new to MS? Another lie?

He can't meta me because I don't play here.

I'm from another mafia site, so I doubt you do, but good luck if so!

and...

Good for you I guess

so was this actually going anywhere or what?

BrightEyedFish wagon is now open for business

i'll gladly lynch either one

If you think I'm scum then lynch me.

mbaki can't be trusted and is apparently only here to shit on MS. If you'd rather have him around that's fine. I on the other hand want him lynched.

[BrightEyedFish]

I believe the scum team is BrightEyedFish, Vorkuta, and either DDL or one of Varsoon and YYotta. If it is Varsoon, YYotta could fit in place of Vorkuta or Fish, but Varsoon is not remotely as scummy as the other people listed so for the moment. that's not a priority.

Yeah, if you scum read ~40% of the entire player list you will probably be right on at least 1 of them.

Looking for outs are you?

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

lulz

[BrightEyedFish]

I bet that felt good for you.

[BrightEyedFish]

If Yyotta were scum, she could be voting Vorkuta/DrDo? I feel like she doesn't care enough about her life to be scum.

Yeah by that logic we need a new wagon because we are all voting town right now. I'd be surprised if that was the case. Also, you opened up quite a bit after being wagoned. Is it because you are about your life? Does that make you scum? (Note: These are mostly rhetorical. Just making my point)

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

Aren't we supposed to be consolidating? Deadline is only 70 hours away.

I agree. Don't forget mbaki bailed at L-2 on the leading wagon and his top scum read.

I'll jump back on the yyota wagon if no one wants to join me on mbaki.

[BrightEyedFish]

screw it. for the sake of progress.
Maybe this wagon will be successful.

VOTE: DrDolittle

[BrightEyedFish]

I have nothing against a yyotta lynch, I probably would have hammered myself had I needed too. However, If yyotta does flip town then we should worry about how fast that counter wagon went.

[BrightEyedFish]

Not really, no.

I'm vigging you tonight anyways so I don't care what you think.

[BrightEyedFish]

You probably should, because I'm making sure you or Vorkuta get lynched tomorrow if I'm still alive. Call this night kill WIFOM.

Just focus all your attention on me if you are so hell bent on lynching town.

[BrightEyedFish]

Is that a special person's way of saying Vorkuta is a townread?

@Mod
Prohibited Expression of Viewpoints
3. Assertions of the superiority on the basis of race, sexual orientation, gender or disability.

[BrightEyedFish]

disability

disability.

Someone very close to me is as you put it "Special person"

[BrightEyedFish]

Whatever.

If you think I'm scum try for my lynch, attack my posts/play etc... don't bring personal insults into it. You know this.

[BrightEyedFish]

Just in case there is something wrong with the VC

VOTE: YyottaCat

[BrightEyedFish]

We had DDL up to L-2, didn't we?
Anyway, what's the VC now?

I think yyotta has been hammered. But I haven't checked the votes since the last VC really.

[BrightEyedFish]

cool

VOTE: yyotta

This is apparently the hammer. I threw my vote yyotta way a little later just in case there is some hidden vote modifier or the VC was wrong. DDL was at L-1 and then the wagon went back to yyotta pretty quick which depending on how yyotta flips could be intriguing come tomorrow.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Mbaki
Guilty.

[BrightEyedFish]

wow im always serious imo

mbaki confirmed scum

or is it this post

Whatever you need to believe that mbaki is scum.

[BrightEyedFish]

wow VOTE: mbaki naked vote scummy imo..

wow mbaki wagon so good everyone should join me imo

wow im always serious imo

mbaki confirmed scum

wow found mbaki's partners imo

easy game

wow scum trying to move people off the mbaki wagon imo

smh my head

i'd lynch like 5 other people before mbaki at this point, even though i think Nero is right his play isn't great i don't think the bar is very high right now

Who are these 5 mystery scummers?

yyotta
DDL
brighteyedfish
leodanny
vorkuta

if we're lynching for 'fluff content' or lack of content i think these are all more likely to flip scum than mbaki

[BrightEyedFish]

Rb, Cork, mbaki.

[BrightEyedFish]

Cork=vork

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: mbaki

i actualyl think mbaki might've been the most crumbed too + it was done in an ambiguous way where it didn't seem like a crumb until hindsight

Perfectly said.

[BrightEyedFish]

still think nero is the second partner based off of crumbs

and this would line up with mbaki scum a lot actually

No, Nero Cain and I as a team would not kill rb, he townread both of us. I don't know why I feel like I'm talking to 5 year olds.

3 votes and already flailing.

[BrightEyedFish]

Looking over RBs ISO again, DDL and Vork are also pinging me.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: mbaki

Done posting here. Good luck town.

If you are town you wouldn't be voting yourself. And if you don't wish to play you can replace out.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: mbaki

Done posting here. Good luck town.

If you are town you wouldn't be voting yourself. And if you don't wish to play you can replace out.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: mbaki

Done posting here. Good luck town.

If you are town you wouldn't be voting yourself. And if you don't wish to play you can replace out.

Okay, I'm taking this post as a guilty retract.

It wouldn't be a BEF game without a BEF guilty. True or not.

[BrightEyedFish]

I went through rb's ISO twice. First I SR Vork and mbaki and on the 2nd go through I SR vork and DDL. The common name in both reads in vork so I feel comfortable with putting vork at L-1.

VOTE: Vorkuta

[BrightEyedFish]

hey bef why are you sr me and vork second time round

Because of these posts in rb's ISO:

cause 129 reads frantic "here's all the ways that I might be mislynched" even though you have like 1 vote.

doesnt read right.

you can

but its not a town reaction

wow worst 2 posts in the game imo

speedlynch tbh

wow suka's reads are 'maybe the scum are crossbussing for no reason on day1' imo

i think that's dumb but i do think DDL is scum and nero is town imo, so i can sort of accept that point of view on the basis that their interactions feel scummy tbh imo wow so true imo

VOTE: DrDoLittle

wow what a vote imo

wow NC not overreacting imo

gave a kinda town response to baseless pressure tbh

wow DrDoLittle overreacting though tbh imo wow

friendly reminder that drdolittle is scum

i know we have no flips. that's why im ambivalent between the choices of BEF and DDL.

I would prefer a flip on Yyotta, but a flip is better than no flip.

I'm not going to case someone d1 because I'm not confident in any of my scumreads. The best I can offer is a strong policy choice.

why would you prefer a yyotta flip over DDL or BEF?

how does being not confident make you not able to point out the things you don't like about BEF/DDL?

[BrightEyedFish]

Vork hasn't convinced me that my vote is in the wrong place. I'm going to keep it parked here. I still have a couple more scum reads but we can deal with those tomorrow or if Vork somehow convinces me otherwise.

[BrightEyedFish]

I still have a couple more scum reads but we can deal with those tomorrow or if Vork somehow convinces me otherwise.

Why not now? Unless they depend of Vork's flip.

I've already made my other reads known. Vork is my top read and I think the best lynch as of yet.

[BrightEyedFish]

lynching bef is preflipping mbaki and vorkuta it feels?

I feel they're both town, so that's why I'm going BEF.

Hypothetically, is it possible that we are all town? Or do you think I'm scum because you believe vork and mb to be town and thus I can't also be in your eyes.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'd say that's accurate. I could post another wall regarding the actual content of his ISO and general behavior throughout the game but that'd be a bit redundant/has been discussed already?

Do this.
Please.

[BrightEyedFish]

Besides, even if Vork lives today, are we letting him go anywhere lylo? Voting anywhere else today is silly.

You're gonna say the same for mbaki the next day and soon we're gonna be in LyLo with plenty other players we wouldn't want in LyLo.

Who would you like to have in LyLo?

[BrightEyedFish]

tbh my ideal LyLo would be me + Dann + Oka vs the two scum

but I think that's too much to ask

Why am I not allowed in your perfect LyLo crew?

[BrightEyedFish]

I still would rather lynch scum so we won't have to worry who's getting to LyLo.

Vork is probably scum. DDL and mbaki are also potentials.

[BrightEyedFish]

tbh my ideal LyLo would be me + Dann + Oka vs the two scum

but I think that's too much to ask

Why am I not allowed in your perfect LyLo crew?

You're not towny enough

rb

Sorry you feel that way.
I still feel like we should take on rb's crumbs for our lynch target today. After we see the flip of whoever is lynched we will then have a better understanding if rb was really crumbing or not. If we don't address one of the main people in rb's crumbs today it will follow us into the next days and we will be in exactly the same spot, arguing over rb crumed or not. We need to nip it in the bud asap.

[BrightEyedFish]

Your scumreads are the three potential mislynches

You could basically say this to everyone with the info that we have now.

[BrightEyedFish]

I mean, they aren't. I mentioned them a while ago and noted the lurking. Its just Vork is actively scummy.

What's your opinion on BEF having the three most popular lynch options as his scumreads?

Maybe my SRs are popular because they are right.

[BrightEyedFish]

I mean, they aren't. I mentioned them a while ago and noted the lurking. Its just Vork is actively scummy.

What's your opinion on BEF having the three most popular lynch options as his scumreads?

Maybe my SRs are popular because they are right.

but if you're not then you're doing exactly what most scum would do at this point, like I did at Heroes Wanted and Nero Cain could easily tell that.

If I played like you then wouldn't we have the same SRs? If not, then why compare my play to yours in a game that didn't even involve me.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, check when I joined these wagons and if they were "popular" at the time I voiced my SRs. Honestly, I don't remember if they were popular. I have been SRing mbaki since D1 and I picked up on vork and ddl after we got the rb flip as I searched through his ISO.

[BrightEyedFish]

It's somewhat dumb to think that scum are all among the most popular scumreads.

No one has a 100% SRing record here. If I had to pick 3 people to be scum at this moment with the information at hand, I would pick those 3. But since I can only vote for 1 tend to go with my top read regardless if it is popular or not.

Now, if another wagon becomes popular I will try to objectively analyse the player and see if I should SR them or not. At this time, no one has presented another player that makes me SR them more than the 3 I already do.

My SRs are basically all tied to rb's D1 ISO. Until I get something that gives me cause to not regard rb's posts then I will use rb's information as my most solid evidence.

[BrightEyedFish]

Do you think he's crumbing Vork and me as partners?

No I think he is crumbing vork and DDL as partners.

[BrightEyedFish]

he is crumbing DDL

Hmm, this is new

See Post 1185

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't see how it is a crumb and not just one scumread any scum can make on anyone?

Until someone tells us otherwise we should assume Scum nk'd rb. That means rb must have done something that stood out (aka SRing them) to scum and they just didn't realize it was a crumb.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't see how it is a crumb and not just one scumread any scum can make on anyone?

Until someone tells us otherwise we should assume Scum nk'd rb. That means rb must have done something that stood out (aka SRing them) to scum and they just didn't realize it was a crumb.

You're still arguing it's a crumb though.

I believe it is a crumb. If you don't, that's your prerogative.

[BrightEyedFish]

It'd be more effective if we just ignored whatever crumb rb possibly did and just focused on determining why rb was NKed.

I think he was NK'd because he was openly SRing all scum members and they panicked and shot him.

[BrightEyedFish]

It'd be more effective if we just ignored whatever crumb rb possibly did and just focused on determining why rb was NKed.

I think he was NK'd because he was openly SRing all scum members and they panicked and shot him.

We can lynch someone who wasn't a part of rb's "crumbs" and if whoever that is flips town, we will be right back where we are now. So, imo, it would be better to address the "crumbs" now and then if they are not valid then we can move on.

[BrightEyedFish]

@Creature

If you help us lynch vork and he flips town, I will follow your lead tomorrow. Because if vork flips town then I am on the wrong path and will have to get myself back on track from a different angle.

[BrightEyedFish]

Basically, nothing short of a claim or someone confirming that scum did not NK rb will get me off the vork wagon.

[BrightEyedFish]

ELI5- What's the wincon for a traitor IF the traitor is dead?
Does said traitor still win with a scum victory or a town victory?

rb was killed. He was a

Mafia Traitor Rolecop

.

Mini Normal 2046

Welcome, rb. You are a

Mafia Traitor Rolecop

.

Abilities:

You are aware that

-redacted-

As a traitor, you cannot be directly recruited, and if you are the last surviving member of the Mafia, you will be automatically endgamed.

Each night you may target a player. If successful, you will receive that player's full role name.

Win condition:

You win when the mafia is the only faction that remains or nothing can prevent this from happening.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this with your role name and alignment.

[BrightEyedFish]

I may be wrong about Vork, but I don't think I am wrong about the existence of crumbs.

Even if Vork flips town, it won't guarantee someone will go back to rb's ISO looking for "real crumbs" and pull another extremely shitty mislynch instead of doing the just usual scumhunting.

It's my job to put all this traitor crumb to rest and just go back to the old normal scumhunting, you can even convince me Vork is scum, as long you actually use his posts as argument and not rb's.

Do you think vork should claim?

[BrightEyedFish]

tbh I wouldn't mind, specially if his claim could end all this bullshit for good.

That would all depend on if the claim seems viable or not. I will remove my vote if the claim seems truthful to me.

[BrightEyedFish]

What's the point of posting 1575?

What's the point of half of the posts in this game?

[BrightEyedFish]

What's the point of posting 1575?

Are you going to keep your vote on vork regardless if/what he claims?

[BrightEyedFish]

Theoretically, no. Practically, yes. 1575 is a useless post.

I'm sorry it's not up to your standard.

[BrightEyedFish]

Theoretically, no. Practically, yes. 1575 is a useless post.

Tell me, how useful are all of your posts where you just shit on MS and talk about how MU is so great?

How does that progress the game?

[BrightEyedFish]

and the answer is?

You are rather pungent.

So you spent several pages pushing for a lynch that you didn't scum read? Bang up town play there.

So you kinda lied?

"but it was wea...."

WE KNOW.

bold is really defensive. When pplusually vote they usally vote their top scum read so I don't feel like I've done you some great disservice by assuming that you would do that.

I have great disdain for your style of play. There are lots of reasons to vote someone other than your top scum read, and for somebody who isn't a scum read. I did not push a YYotta lynch overly strong, just repeated to vote for him a couple times to force him to play the game after my RVS vote garnered an odd reaction. My goal was to make the game progress which is what an early game town needs to generate reads, and it proved unsuccessful so I moved on. YYotta is demonstratably not reacting to these votes, so keeping my vote parked on that slot does nothing; there is no purpose voting there now unless I decide I'm locking in on that lynch because my vote will no longer be applying pressure. I despise overconfidence, which you overflow with. Voting is quite literally the only thing I can do to influence the game, and 9 other people here may be in the same boat (9 being 10:3, typical alignment ratio). My vote and the discussion around my vote is

my

impact on the game, and it has done a bang-up job.

TSO is beneath. MS>MU>TSO>EM. Here's the thing though, meta is a useful tool but its not this say all be all of scumhunting. Creature's content is ass and you know it so you're falling back on meta. You have this strange double talk where you are saying my content is scummy while ignoring my meta but ignoring Creature's content and invoking "town meta!" if you are going to use meta then you can't pick and choose where and when to apply it.

I much prefer MU to this site, the quality of games is signficantly higher in my experience. This is not related to deadlines. Meta is the best scumhunting tool by far, and my MU meta knowledge is far more proficient but it doesn't take a lot to know Creature. I don't know your meta, so I don't use meta to sort you. Of course I "pick and choose where and when to apply it", I'm not going to apply a time-intensive tool to people I can't use the tool on... I am in awe that's an argument you even attempted to make. What is your "meta" that should be helping me sort you here? If it is something as simple as Creature's I would be happy to engage in reading it.

*That said, Creature has been lackluster since his posting spree. I am aware of this. If Creature maintains his current activity level I will pursue that slot again. It is not the kind of slot one randomly wagon's for no reason, he will resolve before the end of the phase most likely.

Ah Mafiascum, you never disappoint.

Perhaps more soft distancing would be best, like with his absent approval of a BrightEyedFish or DrDoLittle lynch.

Why not Suka?

If you are town you wouldn't be voting yourself.

TBF, town do get frustrated. Like yeah sure, throwing down a self-vote and

aTe

ing as scum is a thing but its not like ONLY scum self-vote.

Absolutely, I just voted Suka a few of my posts ago. He essentially admitted he was scum to Vorkuta though, he literally quoted the part of the post that had him admit he was scum. He never actively pursued a Vorkuta lynch either, and the only reason the wagon took off at all is because I took it upon myself to sheep rb (lol) and start the wagon.

I think Fish is town, especially so if Vorkuta is scum. I won't be addressing him again though, I don't think anything will be gained from it.

PEdit: it is going to be 2 scum and a traitor. 4:9 is not something ms is capable of handling.

[BrightEyedFish]

"I much prefer MU to this site, the quality of games is signficantly higher in my experience."
"Ah Mafiascum, you never disappoint."
"4:9 is not something ms is capable of handling."

How is this useful and/or needed?

[BrightEyedFish]

"I much prefer MU to this site, the quality of games is signficantly higher in my experience."
"Ah Mafiascum, you never disappoint."
"4:9 is not something ms is capable of handling."

How is this useful and/or needed?

What about the rest you apparently cut off?

Look back 3-4 posts. Its all there

[BrightEyedFish]

So this post is bad because it might be construed as a cop claim and be fishing for something like that

He faked a guilty on Overkill 2

as town

Ive faked several guilties.

[BrightEyedFish]

UNVOTE:
need2think

This makes me feel more confident in my vork/ddl team hypothesis.

[BrightEyedFish]

Besides, even if Vork lives today, are we letting him go anywhere lylo? Voting anywhere else today is silly.

Was the VT claim that moving to you? Do you feel comfortable now with vork possibly getting to LyLo?

[BrightEyedFish]

What's the point of posting 1693

[BrightEyedFish]

Scum 99.8 percent on the lynch block does not claim VT? Do they?

Where did you get that stat?

[BrightEyedFish]

Though, more inexperienced scum could assume claiming PR is too risky.

Yeah, and also more inexperienced scum would lynch their traitor. I don't think we can go on the fact that we have a "typical" or "normal" acting scum team here.

[BrightEyedFish]

If you know you are gonna die, would you still claim VT as scum? Why not a hail Mary PR reaction test

Could be a lot of reasons to claim VT, however, most of them at this point would simply be WIFOM tinfoil.

[BrightEyedFish]

Is anyone willing to hammer vork?

[BrightEyedFish]

@DDL: You need to do more

I think we agree on something here.

[BrightEyedFish]

I agree with Varsoon on DDL but somehow when I strictly compare DDL to Varsoon, DDL comes off as Townier between the two.
Vork is a good lynch I feel but DDL and Varsoon can be other options if the vork wagon crumbles.

[BrightEyedFish]

I had wanted to do a little more but I really don't feel like doing much, rn and Vork is p scummy so hopefully, this flips scum and not bad green.

I feel the same.

[BrightEyedFish]

Can we get a DDL or mbaki lynch today?

[BrightEyedFish]

Dann thinks he has figured me out. Game solved. No need to discuss anything more today.
1 hour into the day and it looks like dann is finished so he then directly calls out kmd and Varsoon.
That some überobvtown there.


VOTE: dannflor

[BrightEyedFish]

Yeah dannflor is not looking good.
I would expect that detective dann inspect the Nero NK but I have a feeling he knew it was coming.

If anyone wants to follow dann, go ahead. In the meantime I'll see if there is anything to learn from nero's flip.

[BrightEyedFish]

Vote Bright

Reasons are in my ISO from Day 2.

Lazy vote. Show why please.

Did the flips change or just reinforce your read on me.

Also, if you truly believe me to be scum, which I doubt, who would my hypothetical scum partner(s) be?

[BrightEyedFish]

It's basically inevitable now...

1-shot Neapolitan.
No, I haven't used my ability yet was going to save it as long as possible or when the number of players was smaller so I could sort my result better.

[BrightEyedFish]

It's basically inevitable now...

1-shot Neapolitan.
No, I haven't used my ability yet was going to save it as long as possible or when the number of players was smaller so I could sort my result better.

why did you do your whole vig shenanigans with mbaki?

Because he upset me.

I didn't leave any crumbs as only if I made it deeper into the game would my ability become more reliable and easier to interpret.

[BrightEyedFish]

Zero chance that's a real claim. It was clear Fish would be the lynch today, no way he didn't use it last night.

I almost used it on you N1 but tried not to play based on emotions

[BrightEyedFish]

but like why claim vig anyways? why attract unwanted attention to yourself?

Emotions got the better of me

[BrightEyedFish]

If I was a Vig, mbaki would most likely already been my target.

[BrightEyedFish]

can u link me any other games where you did this sort of vig shenanigans?

All my games are on my wiki. I've never been a Vig before or ever fake claimed vig.

[BrightEyedFish]

Here comes the goon lol hammer I assume.

[BrightEyedFish]

im going to need more than emotions got the best of me lmao

everyone gets mad but not everyone fakeclaims vigilante as a pr d1 bc angry

pedit: if a 1 for 1 is on the table ill take a 1 for 1

I've been mad and fake claimed guilties on people on several occasions

[BrightEyedFish]

Oka man I disagree the vig stuff even matters. Joking about vigging somebody is not really AI, it was pretty clear he wasn't actually vig.

Yes, we lynch Fish today. Let's hunt for the partner first though, we shouldn't hammer this quickly.

Backtracking without back tracking, nice job.

[BrightEyedFish]

I've already claimed. What good is L-1 if you don't want a quick hammer.
If I was scum my partner would be MIA for the rest of the day gaurenteed.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't even know what that means.

You left yourself an out to being on my wagon even though your L-1 won't bring any new info

[BrightEyedFish]

im going to need more than emotions got the best of me lmao

everyone gets mad but not everyone fakeclaims vigilante as a pr d1 bc angry

pedit: if a 1 for 1 is on the table ill take a 1 for 1

I've been mad and fake claimed guilties on people on several occasions

links 4 entertainment pls

Overkill 2

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't even know what that means.

You left yourself an out to being on my wagon even though your L-1 won't bring any new info

I'm not on your wagon.

Ohhhh
Apologies. I was so caught up in this. I mixed Oka 2nd L-1 with you.

[BrightEyedFish]

bef how'd that fake guilty work out for you

I took out a scum in the night as I was PGO. So not too bad.

[BrightEyedFish]

Vote Bright

Reasons are in my ISO from Day 2.

Lazy vote. Show why please.

Did the flips change or just reinforce your read on me.

Also, if you truly believe me to be scum, which I doubt, who would my hypothetical scum partner(s) be?

I already showed why yesterday. Flips didn't change anything. I was townreading both players. I'm also not doing preflip associatives. This is the first time I can recall you taking a tone that implies I could be scum. What changed your read? My vote on you? Or am I misreading here?

If I was scum my partner would be MIA for the rest of the day gaurenteed

Can't think of a single reason town says this.

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I don't buy the claim. It's already been said, but no way a one shot investigative says something that could draw a NK N1, draws suspicion Day 2, and STILL holds on to the shot. Why risk not getting a chance to use it like that? It sounds like scum trying to buy another day.

Maybe it's the tone but I never implied that you are scum. I think your vote on me was lazy and it was by telling us to ISO your D2 posts. I'd bet no one ISOd you after that post. I didn't and honestly I don't remeber your reads from D2.

[BrightEyedFish]

Zero chance that's a real claim. It was clear Fish would be the lynch today, no way he didn't use it last night.

I almost used it on you N1 but tried not to play based on emotions

That doesn't matter. Why didn't you use it N2, after you were almost lynched yesterday and multiple other people said they were lynching you if Vorkuta flipped town?

Yet to see an answer to this.

I wanted to hold on to it, that is my choice. My lynching wasn't set in stone and I didn't feel the chances were good enough to get a good result.
Optimally I would have waited till night 4 or later but it looks like I'll have to use it tonight since I've openly claimed.

[BrightEyedFish]

@creature i still don't see why my play isn't the best play here.

@bef i think mbaki is asking why you held it if you knew you were going to be pushed today

In short, I didn't want to use it. I think it best to hold on until the player size is smaller. We can argue over how my strategy or someone's strategy is better but it can't change anything now.
My hand has been forced and I'll probably have to use my 1 shot tonight.

[BrightEyedFish]

I think it best to hold on until the player size is smaller.

Not really, one clear is still pretty useful.

I have yet pick up on any hints on PRs nor do I have any strong TRs. It would be like shooting in the dark and hoping I get a VT result and hoping I don't put a guilty on someone and out another PR.

[BrightEyedFish]

I have yet pick up on any hints on PRs nor do I have any strong TRs. It would be like shooting in the dark and hoping I get a VT result and hoping I don't put a guilty on someone and out another PR.

You could have targeted DDL? Someone unlikely to die and someone who had already claimed VT. You would have confirmed his innocence or confirmed he was scum fake claiming.

You're right.
Honestly I didn't think on that. DDL is one of my SRs and maybe I should have thought it more through.

If you want to lynch me go ahead. I don't know what else I can say other than what I already have. I get my play could have been better. I think mbaki got under my skin early and I've been too heavily influenced by that grudge.

My lynch will bring nothing good for town. And of course you expect everyone about to be hammered to say something of those sorts.

I think the lynch is set. Scum knows this and will stay silent. Maybe town will try to find out more info but come tomorrow. Town will just be worse off than before barring some super relavation though a PRs night action.

It's been a bad game for me all around and I feel its too late for me to get back on track and out from under this pressure.

If you think I'm scum, do what you got to do. But please don't vote me just because you think I'm bad town.

[BrightEyedFish]

What do you all think about Suka?

Looking through his ISO all I really see is his push on me and kmd. He was certain that vork would flip town, maybe a little too confident in that. Other than that I didn't really see any real scum hunting or new reasons why kmd or myself are scum. It seems he put more effort into confirming vork as town than anything else.

[BrightEyedFish]

of course I will flip green.

gg all.

[BrightEyedFish]

Varoon and suka are my last top SRS form this day.

Look at 2045 when he all of a sudden thinks I will flip green. Which I will... and he knew this before he sees the flip.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why Suka

It's still Bright/kmd, with a chance it's DrDo/Oka if one of those flip town. I'm not voting outside this group of players for the rest of the game.

I don't think scum does stuff like this

oh, now you believe me...

replace my SR on suk awith dannflor.

[BrightEyedFish]

@Dann

You were the most vocal for my lynch and how I was scum and now you are wanting to know what I think?

Looks like someone else already knows how I will flip before the the official day end.

[BrightEyedFish]

btw,
I'm not a Neo.
but still green.

If I would have claimed my real role I would have been lynch a lot sooner.

Don't let scum or anyone try to use that argument tomorrow as to why they are on my wagon.

[BrightEyedFish]

Not my finest game in terms of play, but I did have fun. See you all in the dead thread!

[BrightEyedFish]

My final list.

Top is scummiest IMO

Varsoon
Dannflor
Suka
DrDolittle
mbaki
OkaPoka
Kmd4390
Creature

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

But what do I know. I was pretty certain Vork was scum.

Good luck town.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, if Fish is green please throw out my reads list. I'm too tired to do another right now though.

By claiming my true role I would have lost all utility that comes with that role and would not have had a chance to prove my claim at least as a neo I had a chance, albeit a small chance, that I might be able to make it through another day and avoid a mislynch.

Trust me, I'm town.

If I was scum I wouldn't be posting in twilight...

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, if Fish is green please throw out my reads list. I'm too tired to do another right now though.

By claiming my true role I would have lost all utility that comes with that role and would not have had a chance to prove my claim at least as a neo I had a chance, albeit a small chance, that I might be able to make it through another day and avoid a mislynch.

Trust me, I'm town.

If I was scum I wouldn't be posting in twilight...

I believe you're town based on twilight posting, mainly because there is literally no incentive to troll to this degree here. Its why I'm posting.

The Neo claim just wasn't believable at all to me. Didn't fit with the setup or my mod meta, and more importantly just didn't fit play wise because despite my insults I don't believe you are actually bad enough to have not used the Neo to this point. I'm a player who has done lots of game design on here and MU, and for genius among other things. I love balancing and setup and it's how I do a lot of scumhunting.

I scumread you before the claim, definitely true, but that claim is what super pushed me towards okay lynching Fish no questions asked. I guess I can tell myself I was right about setup like I usually am, but that isn't much of a consolation for the fact if you're town then town could realistically lose this as there's no real town bloc

I would have most likely been lynched regardless of what I claimed. Was just trying to save a PR tonight.

[BrightEyedFish]

I just don't think your behavior today really lent itself to town at all. Like, your most productive and towny posts have been in twilight, which is problematic.

Well, you started off D3 with a full out attack on me so I had to go in to defensive mode. The wagon was built very quickly and I had to claim and it was all down hill from there. The claim eased pressure but I guess town was lynch-happy and scum just let the ball roll. I had a glimmer of hope that I wouldn't be lynched but that hope dissipated as fast as it came.

[BrightEyedFish]

I tried to get back to scum huntering on Post 1979 but I don't think anyone engaged there and I woke up this morning and was lynched.

[BrightEyedFish]

Hey maybe don't hold your shot next time then?
Also don't fake limited shots?
Anyway, if you are town, I can't trust your judgment, since you've got me at the top of your scum list, which means you're not doing all so hot reading this game accurately.
So can you write all that stuff again but under the assumption I'm town?

No one is doing so hot this game.

3 mislynches and a Scum mi-nk.

Both factions are lost.

[BrightEyedFish]

Good game everyone. Thanks mod!