In post 644, Trekkie99 wrote:I joke around a lot when I'm close to being lynched as town or scum. Under the assumption I'm town, who on my wagon is most likely to be scum?
if u were town here you’d be giving out reads instead of asking others to assume ur town
which ur not
^Agree with Delta here. Why are you asking everyone else to scumhunt while assuming you're town, while not doing so yourself?
Also, why are you still voting NM who Pvt has already claimed Mason with?
I thought you all were clearing Overkill becayse of the neighborhood?
I've been on NotMaf because frankly I doubt it's a Masonry, but instead another Neighborhood that's claiming to be a Masonry since they'd automatically get hung if they also claimed to be neighbors.
I always immediately claim neighbourhoods regardless of alignment
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
As a wise elder once said; please stop having neighbours.
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
I can go here for now. I still don't like how she jumped on Overkill.
First you didn't like how I tunneled Overkill, and now you don't like that I jumped on him. Can you have this both ways?
LOL. Sort of like you jumped off the Overkill wagon cause it was moving too fast and then you jumped off the Trekkie wagon cause it was moving too slow.
we have too people voting on masons and not scumhunting
those should be the only 2 wagons
take away st pr claim and it’s very scummy
if town has masons and neighbors and Neighborizer pt cop works just as well with town as scum, so we need to stop believing the claim and also letting him not do anything productive
believing the claim is something we disagree on, lack of useful play and strong stances should be something we all can nod yes
read ST iso as someone who isn’t claimed and tell me the read
In post 653, Springtrap wrote:I thought you all were clearing Overkill becayse of the neighborhood?
I've been on NotMaf because frankly I doubt it's a Masonry, but instead another Neighborhood that's claiming to be a Masonry since they'd automatically get hung if they also claimed to be neighbors.
That or they're scum.
instead of saying they’re scum and using setup spec
So... this is not all that helpful actually. Town Trekkie can be quiet and fluffy, or he can be very chatty. Scum trekkie can be organized and logical and a bit quiet, or he can be lurky and quiet. So he doesn't have a very consistent meta as either alignment.
There are a few things here that slightly point toward town Trekkie, in that he is *very slightly* more talkative here than he is in his scum games. But his reads list early on looks a little bit more like his scum game to be honest.
I think overall I'm slightly leaning scum here, but I think I need to review some other slots.
In post 582, Delta Diamond wrote:masons+PT cop is a lot, munch mentioned killing him today if he was alive and is dead, and his whole play has revolved around setup spec and his claim with little actual effort towards sorting, like you would expect from someone with an investigative role
In post 567, Springtrap wrote:Clem did call out my urge and habit of fake claiming. Perhaps scum took that to heart and assumed I was just a VT?
Well I (Springtrap) don't value a fake claim. I promise you that I'm a PT Cop.
Let's look at all the claims currently said and take notes.
last line feels especially bad, like okay ever1 do work but no work is done himself
trekkie scumread seems to have disappeared so i think it might be distancing
Delta Diamond is probably a new player, or maybe an alt. Either way this game is it for him.
Now the first thing to think through here is EGL, given that was the predecessor. EGL I had a hard time reading because, on the one hand, this is a relatively quiet game, and he was on the more active side. But he was also moving his vote quite frequently without ever really committing a lot of push or reasoning to any one vote in particular. Then, when he did actually push into NM/PvT and they claim mason, he... instantly repped out. So, OK, don't like that.
Now there are several things to consider with DD:
>The hard claim of VT under very little pressure
>Abrupt shifts between hard analysis and underexplained pushes
>Weird "can there be two PT cops" question which really bothers me
This slot looks pretty bad to me now that I look at it closer, honestly.
And I want to say there are certain things that strike me as pretty consistent with the town games. Namely, the structure of thought, the frequency of moving off and on wagons, and the presentation of reads lists. STK seems to move off and on wagons a lot more frequently than many players do, but this seems to lead in to him generating read lists that do seem to push toward a solve.
Now an issue here is that I don't have a scum game to compare to where I can say, "okay, but this is what we should look for", but STK looks town to me so far.
Now, there is a lot to work with in regard to texcat. I think I come down leaning town here, although I wish I could say with confidence this is outside of texcat's scumrange for some reason. If texcat were scum, there are a few things that might be scum-indicative; the L-1 vote and the hammer vote both come to mind here. Scum texcat can certainly be aggressive toward the end of a wagon.
However, there are other patterns I notice that push me toward town here. Town texcat doesn't seem as focused on pushing an agenda. Scum texcat looks a bit more organized, a bit quieter, and a bit more focused on where she goes with her votes.
Still, this is one of texcat's quieter games, and she isn't super talkative here, which I think would be strongly town indicative for her. But I think texcat is more likely town than scum given what I'm seeing.
Another case of "no scum games to look at". Here I was going into the other games already feeling like Vorkuta was probably town and thinking through whether there was a chance I was wrong.
For me here, the main question is: does this largely mirror the thought processes vorkuta has had in previous games as town? And the answer there is yes, but not always. In some of the games, Vorkuta never really quite becomes as organized in sorting as he does in this game. However, the first game I linked, Newbie 1901, very closely matches his thought process over time--namely, of starting out looking for leads, and the naturally moving toward more organized and structured thoughts, and pushing toward a solve.
I was thinking Vorkuta might be town, but I feel so more strongly now.
Right now, it's looking like there is not that much interest in Delta Diamond. I think {Delta Diamond, Trekkie} are both good places to push. I think right now, Delta Diamond would be the better wagon than Trekkie, personally. Mostly for me though this comes down to one thing: how would you feel about a mason claim as town? For me, I think a mason claim would be relieving, if you could believe it. I don't want to accuse EGL of a tactical replace out, and that is not exactly my line of reasoning here. Rather, I think that if EGL is town, he would have chosen to stay, because finding out one of his top scumreads was a mason claim would have been interesting and exciting. I know it is bad form to put too much of a read on the nature of a replace out, but I am not reading Delta Diamond as town anyway at this point.
In post 663, Jenga wrote:Unfortunately I am not finding a useful scum game for singletonking:
He says "Alt of BulletNLynchproof. To eventually replace BNL as the main account." in his sig so if you want a meta read there's that.
I like the in-depth ISO analysis (too much effort for mere LAMIST).
This, with the PoE I mentioned in #633, and the desire to move things before a deadline leads to VOTE: Texcat
In post 651, singletonking wrote:^Agree with Delta here. Why are you asking everyone else to scumhunt while assuming you're town, while not doing so yourself?
Cause my reads are shit ATM which is something I usually have a problem with as scum but not town which sucks.
