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First.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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What?In post 28, Egix96 wrote:If she thinks that the setup is scumsided (I can kind of see why, I think) then shouldn't that make her want to win more if she's town?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I don't usually feel like random voting, I don't think it's the votes that spark D1 discussion but just people talking to each other.In post 55, Auro wrote:Something_Smart, why have you not voted yet?
And I don't put down real votes often, especially early on. I find it leads to confbias as I'm asked to justify it, and I don't think most players are easier to read under pressure.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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My point is that we'd talk just as well without votes...In post 61, Auro wrote:But we talk to each other based on the votes we make; does that not give enough reason to vote?
Real = a serious vote. I don't have any particular impressions of anyone. Tip for playing with me: you'll get way more mileage asking me for "thoughts on post X" than for "thoughts." I don't have time to write down all my thoughts and if I did they'd be all jumbled anyway.Define "real"? What do you think of the content produced so far?
Is DVa the type to do this? For me, the only reason I'd appreciate being town in a scumsided setup is to have an excuse for losingIn post 62, Egix96 wrote:I'm guessing that town!DVa would have appreciated the challenge of playing as town in a setup that she herself perceived to be imbalanced against that alignment. It's not a particularly strong tell, but it's a start.
I try never to force anything. If I don't have anything I want to talk about, I won't try to force myself to get people talking. So I won't ever make a post with the intent of "driving conversation." I'll make a post with the intent of "talking about X." And I'll do this when, and only when, such an X comes to my attention.In post 65, Thor665 wrote:
If you believe this why are all your other posts able to be quoted by going; "First, what?".In post 60, Something_Smart wrote:
I don't usually feel like random voting, I don't think it's the votes that spark D1 discussion but just people talking to each other.In post 55, Auro wrote:Something_Smart, why have you not voted yet?
And I don't put down real votes often, especially early on. I find it leads to confbias as I'm asked to justify it, and I don't think most players are easier to read under pressure.
Shouldn't you be trying to drive some conversation?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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LAMIST is a buzzword and a bullshit tell.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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...Momentum? In RVS?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Unlikely. Clearly she already held the opinion that the setup was scumsided, so she'd probably say something like this as scum as well as town.In post 93, Auro wrote:For starters, I'd like to hear your thoughts on:
DVa's "ugh I rolled town in a scumsided setup" posts;
NotNova's and Lamees' attack on DVa citing LAMIST;
Do you think the former is AI?
Could be? Sure. But I think a lot of new players, town and scum, learn buzzwords like LAMIST and then apply them, and that post does fit the description of LAMIST although the belief that that description is reflective of alignment is false. (And I'm not trying to be patronizing here. It's just a trend; as you get more experienced you tend to realize when the buzzword concepts do and do not really apply.)Do you think the latter could be scum motivated?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Turns out that I have more experience with what playstyles work for me than you do.In post 115, Thor665 wrote:So you don't drive content via questions or votes, but generically drift, let others drive content, and then react to it.
I find a non-proactive playstyle inherently questionable for helping town wincon.
You can be a scum lean now.
Back when I was newer I would push reads, drive lynches, and run reaction tests. I got townies lynched all the time, and I got myself mislynched all the time.
I play this way because it works for me. Not because it fits to somebody's ideal of "helping the town wincon," as if that were universal and the same for everyone.
You can disagree with my playstyle if you want. You're free to present an argument for why the game is better if every player is actively trying to drive discussion. (Hint: it's not better. It's a shitshow.) But it is how I play, so you're going to have to suck it up and deal with it and not scumread me for things the way I choose to play the game of Mafia.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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It's valid to SUGGEST, but it's not valid to BELIEVE without any evidence...?In post 115, Thor665 wrote:Town try not to look scummy, but so do scum, and it's valid to suggest scum would try to do so harder, so...?
Even then, it's probably offset by the fact that scum want to avoid looking like they're trying to look like town, which under the same assumption town wouldn't care as much about.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I think I forgot how to English. Ignore the word "things."In post 119, Something_Smart wrote:not scumread me for things the way I choose to play the game of Mafia.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Any tell that can be consciously avoided, yes. For instance, forced reads and interactions are scumtells, but they're scumtells because the players who do them can't avoid sounding forced.In post 129, Auro wrote:I don't think scum overthink THAT much, because self-consciousness at one point becomes obvious.
Your logic could be applied to any tell, I feel - "Scum would avoid tell X, therefore X is a buzzword and BS tell". Would you agree?
But in general, yes, you've keyed into my philosophy, which is that towntells are far more reliable than scumtells.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I seem to recall liking NotNova although I can't remember why off the top of my head.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Well after checking it seems he only has three posts so I might have just been misremembering, but 76 does read as pretty genuine.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Eh, ambiguous wording on my part. I don't think you can logically deduce that town are better at looking town than scum are, when they specifically attempt to. That would have to be something that you'd learn from experience, and in my experience it depends very much on the person.In post 201, Thor665 wrote:How is it valid to suggest if it's not valid to believe it? I don't see the connective absence there.
It's valid to suggest because it IS valid to believe that scum would try to look town, and might do so poorly.
Also, LAMIST is not putting in a lot of effort to look town. It's very easy to say "I'm town" as either alignment, and there are reasons town players might do it that's not to look town. (i.e. because one school of thought as town is that you should just say literally whatever you feel like you want to say.)It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Because you didn't question my style. You called me scum for using it. If you'd merely expressed concern that it was ineffective, I'd have assured you that it's worked in the past. Similarly, you are totally free to respond to my skepticism about LAMIST by saying you've caught scum with it plenty of times-- but I doubt that's the case, and I doubt it's the case for most people who use LAMIST as a scumtell.In post 212, Thor665 wrote:Why are you so interested in attacking a scumhunting style when you acted defensive when I questioned your style? Isn't that hypocritical on your part?
I think we've beaten this point quite into the ground; I don't think LAMIST is a useful tell and I've stated my reasons why. Let's move on.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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What's wrong with it?In post 214, Malakitty wrote:Uh, kill this with fire? I hope you explained why you were asking this in the next page.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Why are you townreading rb then? I feel like his posts don't have much substance either...In post 222, Malakitty wrote:Lamees I more feel like the posts don’t really have any substance behind it. I didn’t like the first post I quoted more because I felt like it’s I’m here looking like I’m contributing but then not doing anything about it.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I thought the blatant self-contradiction in 233 was towny but also 240 reads like trying too hard to be flippant...: Persivul, Thor665, Auro, Egix96Leodanny (L-3)
: rb, Malakitty, YyottaCatLamees (L-4)
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But the view is lovely from up hereIn post 246, rb wrote:i would be more okay with people being on the fence if they had a direction that wasn't just being on the fenceIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Wait lol I was just making a joke but that's actually a valid point. You see things better and in a more unbiased way if you don't have an opinion on the issue already. (Which is kind of my philosophy anyway.)It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I mean... I want to move onto talking about the game and about players other than myself. It doesn't necessarily need to be with you, but if you want to engage me on anything I just said, go for it. How do you feel about Lamees?In post 253, Thor665 wrote:@Something_Smart
And, I think you're not using "attacking" correctly. Attacking implies aggressive intent; so I would be wanting to call someone either scum or a bad player-- but clearly I don't want either of those things. I'm just giving my opinion on the value of a tell.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Checking in, don't have a lot of time because I'm moving out of my apartment today and my internet was down last night, but two things I want to say.
One. That Persivul saying that people with scummy playstyles should get lynched amounts to victim blaming. It essentially argues that it's not someone's fault for being wrong and overly confident, and that it's the responsibility of others to make sure they don't make people wrong and overly confident. Yes, it is possible for the target to share some of the blame, but the majority of it must go with the person who was wrong, especially if they've seen this person act that way before.
And two. In response to a question about why I found Lamees' self-contradiction towny. Either she didn't notice those two statements contradicted or she did. If she didn't, then she was saying whatever she wanted without any care as to how it was perceived. If she did, then she cared more about getting genuine thoughts out than she did about looking consistent and superficially good.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Lamees, how confident are you that rb is scum?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Okay I think the right play is to hang Lamees and have her shoot rb.
Although actually, given the chance of GF, it might be better to just hang rb.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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That very argument requires that we consider lynching her for it to be valid.
We don't have to actually do it but we at least have to think about it. If she and rb are both town, it's better to hang her and know that rb is town than to hang rb, have him flip town, and then possibly hang her as well.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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If anything, if rb is scum one of the people he mentioned there could be immortal.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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VOTE: rbIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I think it's right to lynch Lamees or rb.
We're in a good spot unless they're both town. If they are both town, I still think it's better to hang Lamees first, but otherwise it's better to hang rb first.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Yeah, I disagree also. What makes you think that?In post 516, Dunnstral wrote:
I disagree with thisIn post 514, DVa wrote:Also, I feel like scum more often does very early claims.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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To be honest, I have literally no idea how to parse anything rb has done this game. I played with him a while ago and he was nothing like this. That's another reason I want him out of the game...It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I literally just said I can't read you at all.In post 533, rb wrote:if someone isn't the same as they were over 6 months (?) agp, they must be scum.
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This is pretty much how I'm feeling too. That combined with Lamees' scumread of him makes him a good lynch.In post 542, DVa wrote:So it's not an omgus, I just have started to not care about your alignment. Stop playing to scum wincon if you're town.
Although I will say that your argument over whether it's right to vote lurkers to pressure them to talk is mostly opinion and not alignment-indicative. I'll rarely vote lurkers with the express intent of getting more content from them-- if they give more content, great, but most people don't lurk only because they think they can get away with it (either they're not engaged, or they're busy, or they don't care at all).
That's right, she was replaced. Might as well leave these comments up to let people know how I'm thinking.
I didn't really much understand the DVa votes beyond "she was loud and garnering a lot of attention." I think it makes even less sense to vote that slot now that it's been replaced. (Looking at you Auro)
DLA seems fine so far.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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It doesn't make sense from town or from scum. Those posts alone could have been faked emotion, but since she replaced out it proves it was real emotion-- which could come from either alignment.In post 701, Auro wrote:So her scumclaiming, self-voting and asking me to hammer her, this doesn't concern you at all? You think *this* play comes from town?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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What did you expect to get from it? What did you get from it?In post 756, Egix96 wrote:
It was a reaction test.In post 754, Auro wrote:What happened to your "hot take"?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Before I know how I stand on DLA, I want him to talk more about the thing in my wording he didn't like. Specifically, why he thinks me wording it the way I did is indicative of my alignment.
Also I think Egix's 718 reads pretty genuine, especially if DLA ends up being scum.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Yes, and?In post 785, DarkLightA wrote:This assumes she flips angel.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I mean, I don't expect her to flip scum, but that's not even why I said that and I'd say it even if I did expect her to flip scum.
It's just like telling an investigative to check someone: you can say "X should check Y" and it doesn't mean you're assuming X is actually an investigative. It's just a way of laying out a plan.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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It's not necessary to have a strong townread on someone in order to defend them. I'd defend even a scumread from an accusation I thought was unreasonable.In post 798, Persivul wrote:Why are you defending him so hard? You say you noted yourself that he hasn't done much here, so you can't reasonably have a strong town read on him.
I also wouldn't really call what DLA did defending, and certainly not hard defending. It looks like he's just questioning and trying to get you to talk more about your read.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I mean, I don't think extremely leading questions make good reaction tests...It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Also bristep, do you have an issue with that? I support arguments that are logical and make sense, and I oppose those that don't. To support an argument that doesn't make sense just because I happen to agree with its conclusion is pure confirmation bias.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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No, but it means I'm not likely to support your reads and reasoning. I wouldn't interfere with a question just because it was meant to elicit an emotional response, but I don't really like the idea of intentionally making no sense to make someone confused or frustrated.In post 810, bristep123 wrote:I don't play logically, I play emotionally. Does that make me wrong to you?
I guess if you want I can refrain from commenting on your questions until you get a response, but you'll have to explain after the fact what information you got out of that response.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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You guys realize that angel dying at night and hitting a framed town target is better than angel dying at night and hitting a town target that they didn't say in advance...It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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If angel hits framed town we have a scummy town dead, equivalent to a vig shot. A second vig shot or a blocked kill would put us way ahead.
But if angel dies and picks a town that nobody knows, we get nothing at all.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Fair enough, but since she'd be announcing it ahead of time we can at least give her some guidance.
I was under the impression that she'd pick rb... do you think that'd be a bad choice?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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False dichotomy and also you are still on the table
I do want to know what people's beef with Mala is because I feel like she's been playing pretty solidly so far.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I mean, in a theoretical sense it's someone that the town would otherwise have lynched. In practice, someone who is scumread by a majority is a pretty good approximation of that.In post 899, Lamees wrote:
Who determines what a scummy target is?In post 885, Something_Smart wrote:If angel hits framed town we have a scummy town dead, equivalent to a vig shot. A second vig shot or a blocked kill would put us way ahead.
But if angel dies and picks a town that nobody knows, we get nothing at all.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Mala, what do you dislike about Leo?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Honestly I think that's perfectly consistent with her listing Leo as a possible suspect but not voting him despite him having the largest wagon.In post 968, Lamees wrote:Anyway looks like something smart has got her fumbling over her own words. She first wanted to lynch leodanny, then got asked about leondanny and admits it would be a bad lynch and that leodanny is just lynch bait... wow (post 947)
Dunn feels like he's trying to instigate Mala on page 39It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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The potential inconsistency stuff or earlier things? Because your recent discussion seems like a small thing that you are making big for no reason.In post 984, Auro wrote:Something_Smart. What do you make of mine and Thor's earlier and recent exchanges?
I can't imagine that she actually said that scum can't be busy. That would be an absolutely moronic claim, and it sounds like the strawest of men. Linking schedules proves that she's genuinely frustrated about being scumread for activity, which means that her activity is not alignment indicative.In post 989, Lamees wrote:Fair enough. What do you make of her AtE. Do you agree that scum cannot be busy? Does linking schedules prove town alignment?
If she survives to end game and is scum, do you think she'll just pop in now and then to defend herself with more proof that she's busy and will this be enough to win as scum? Or would she actually need to try to push wagons on town players?
I can't really answer that last question. Busy or not, she does have a responsibility to play the game (or else replace out). It depends on how the game goes whether she might be able to skate by without doing enough. Regardless though, we should be reading her on what she has done and not assuming that she's ducking the thread if she doesn't post as much as you wish she would.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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You said "Do you agree that scum cannot be busy?" That really sounds like you're suggesting that somebody said that scum cannot be busy.
And when she quoted her schedule she directly stated that she was responding to Auro's point #4, in which Auro directly suggests that he thinks her lack of activity is scum-motivated.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Auro did:In post 948, Auro wrote:4. The lurking. I think she's getting into the game now, but posts like 778 rub me the wrong way when they're like, the only posts of the day. Her activity patterns do seem to be more when she's being attacked *shrug*It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Some reads or at least content from Leo would be niceIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I could definitely see Dunn being scum this game. His read and vote on Leo felt kind of lazy and I didn't like how he seemed to be intentionally riling up Mala.
That said I don't think my history of reading him has been > rand. So I don't really know how much that means.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I don't think you'd specifically avoid it. If I were in Mala's position, already stressed out about my schedule and on the defensive because of it, I would have been pretty annoyed by your comments.In post 1039, Dunnstral wrote:SS I don't understand why you think I rile people up as scum
And I see potential scum motivation for it, if she's town and you think you might be able to get her to do something stupid.
Is this something that you would specifically never do as scum?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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Dunn you should probably claimIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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I have no words for this.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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It's not so much that, it's more that if rb is town and happened to mention a cop, you'd be taking the opportunity to frame him for TMI because you know there actually is one.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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(in response to 1190)It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Something_Smart
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