Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

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that confirmed fast, gj everyone

VOTE: Keyser

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wait what am I doing
VOTE: almost nancy

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I'm here for the story of schadd and mastina's action-adventure buddycop post-apocalyptic sci-fi thriller comedy through a space desert

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Sorry, no. I'm never interested in policy lynches.
Wanna wagon VOTE: mitillos with me though?

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Creature is town

pedit: or not

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the worst is town, shoshin is town
skitter is more likely town than not
creature is probtown unless his claim is real, in which case lol
Keyser and the worst are lovers irl
schadd and mastine are lovers in-flavor (I ship it)

mitillos is also here. So let's vote mitillos!

pedit: shoshin your point is fair but now who do I wagon
mitillos if you haven't figured it out I like wagons

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the worst "agreeing to disagree" with shoshin was towny

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hi had to go do a thing
mitillos what is your jank meta read on me, provide receipts please

shoshin why is nancy town? I doubt I'll get in your head on that read no matter how long I ask myself what I think you're thinking

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oh wait maybe I do get it

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Sup y'all

Stacked roster ♪┏(°.°)┛┗(°.°)┓┗(°.°)┛┏(°.°)┓ ♪

Since I'm still recovering from pollution induced bronchitis and general burn out, don't expect me to be at my 110% wall posting mode for a bit

I'll aim for like 40% capacity and if town is lucky I'll get all the way up to half assed

But I do intend to come out of this with a 12-1 town record...

My record (minus a 2 page micro game) is 11W/1L as town, 2W/1L as scum

lol I went and checked this wasn't a 3p crumb

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@Irrelephant: You jumped votes between your first two posts (which were within a page of each other) as mafia in micro 824.2 (and I note that on that one your jump was away from the wagon on your scumbuddy).
By comparison you took longer to switch votes in mini normal 2042 as town, and even when you did switch, you almost immediately unvoted.
You also took your time to switch votes in mini 2018 again as town.
I'm having trouble finding the third one again, so maybe I was wrong about that. But hey, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

So the scum game you found, I started the game as a lone Mafioso. I was later recruited by RCEnigma, so my unvote of him at the start of the game was uninformed (as uninformed as I am here) and not partner-indicative. Regardless, this is literally "I am cherry picking three of your games (excluding a bunch of them for no discernible reason - why would I play significantly different as IC, for example?) and you did this one thing as scum one time and you're doing it here; therefore, scum." Oh wait, also "an OMGUS vote". Do you believe in this read? You haven't tried to sell anyone on it. Are you just happy to feel like you can justify voting me, or?

I think if you examined more of my games/examined specifically games where I am familiar with most of the playerlist/extended your examination of this wagonhopping to include more of D1 (I'm not even always present for RVS, for example), you'd find this is literally the crappiest meta scumread anyone has ever had - especially since others who are familiar with me have already told you I'm town.

Someone stop me - I feel like mitillos' scumread of me is agenda-y, and I would not like to tunnel on town if I am wrong.

the worst "agreeing to disagree" with shoshin was towny

As in scum-TW wouldn’t want town-Shoshin on his back? So TW doing the opposite of this is “towny”?

Yes, as well as his insistence on having a scumread (on his scumpartner? unlikely. On a random townie, when he's scum? Not if it'll make him unpopular. As a townie who thinks he maybe found scum early? Much more likely.)

I'm kinda being lazy this game (aka I just woke up from a loooong jetlag nap)

I know several people here are muuuuch better/different as town versus scum. Irrelephant is very good as scum. Who else is, since I don't quite recognize everyone?

Also, is there a VOTE: Not_Mafia in the house?

My trip was half great fun, half pollution induced bronchitis (I coughed up a rose shaped piece of mucus the size of a small strawberry AMA), half weight gain from ultra delicious Chinese food being shoved down my gullet by my whole family.

I'll note here that my towngame has improved and it is as yet unclear if my scumgame has improved to match. I think you'll be able to read me this game.

I've got no read at all on Keyser since I'm recalibrating on him haha

+town for Nauci, unless they're partners

I actually want to look at Relly

Hi!

It's kind of baffling that you propose a policy lynch on me and when Irrel + The Worst deny it outright and ask you why
You hard dodge
Then post this sort of thing:

I think I should be higher on the town list, the worst.

For what reason even?

Because she's obvtown

VOTE: Skitter

I had similar feelings.

This is spineless.
You asked Nauci for a read just to sheep it.
I see no trajectory that'd lead you to have this opinion on skitter, even.

She doesn't need to provide trajectory if she's right or if the results of not providing trajectory are helpfully AI from skitter

^ Like you say you 'had similar feelings' but you haven't mentioned skitter once before in your ISO.

Towny for Shoshin

VOTE: Varsoon

I think Varsoon might be town, but I haven't decided yet

You didn't even bother answering any of the points I raised, you just went straight for the vote.

Shoshin, I thought you were better.

No you didn't

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Okay well I'm not here to make things *more personal*
[for the crowd, varsoon vs. shoshin has gotten heated before]

but I am here to say that Shoshin is scum .01% of the time here and you should find someone else to wagon
I am not yet here to say the same about you, so I'll let you know after your scumhunting moves beyond this silly overly personal thing

Which townreads do you think are bad? Are you scumreading anyone besides shoshin that has received many townreads? Or anyone who has given many townreads? Seems like a pointless thing to say (and indeed anti-town) unless you feel like it *actually applies* to the players in this game

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Varsoon [redacted, not because of site rules, just because]
I'll let this play out for a bit before I share that

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As a quick change of subject,

I claim paranoid gun owner

I went back and forth for 24 hours on whether or not I thought I'd be able to gambit scum into shooting me, but I couldn't think of a way to do it that wouldn't also get TPRs to accidentally target me, especially in this playerlist where I'm known to some as hard-to-read and my crumbs would never go unnoticed.
So, instead, here's my claim!

Keyser is not obvtown by any means
Actually the fact that I'm not quickly and easily townreading him should probably tell me he's scum, but maybe I just forget his posts, let me look

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oh nvm he's town
I super like 109, 150, 175 for town!him, though his paranoia of me is interesting and I'm curious to see where it will go

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great, Varsoon is likely town or else is very good at faking anger (someone let me know if so) my [redacted] was "tunneling on the most widely-townread townie and making alignment-judgments about other players based on his preferences for how mafia should be played all feel like town!him". Add "angry at the right moments" and it's town!Varsoon, imo
shoshin town
tw town
skitter & Almost probtown or partners
Nauci & Keyser leantown or partners, or maybe nauci is scum and keyser is town?

who's left

pedit: I mean you're not having this argument with any other player itt, and you've had this type of argument with shoshin before. You two argue because of each other's personhoods, not alignments, so that's why I call it personal
It is not my fault I find shoshin easy to read, or that her insistence that she is town annoys you. But it might feel unfair, I guess. Noted.

Spoiler:

I also think it's reasonable that Shoshin was worried about clogging the thread with non-game posts, since that's kind of what just happened anyway.

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I'll have to go back through to tell you the townreads that stick out--what was more important to me was just that there were a ton of them compared to most games I play.

I would appreciate it! I'm very curious to hear the results of this.

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viewtopic.php?t=77508
here is my other game I played with varsoon, shoshin (aside from TAZ)

I will read up on more of his meta, though.

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viewtopic.php?t=77508

Does his play there look anything like his play here?

oh, hm.
I mean if starcraft mafia:you::zooborns III:doughboy, then sort of?
Alright I gave him a townread too easy (ironic, given his insistence we're passing out townreads too easy)

@skitter - you having a gut town read wasn’t my problem.


I think it was the over-explaination of the gut read (that I thought had undertones of sheeping Shoshin’s reason)

I.e over-justification

Trust me, skitter can talk much sometimes. The question is whether she's providing genuine content or just babbling. I say she's Town here.

Ok yours, Shoshin’s and Skitter’s own defence tells me I’m probably on the wrong path here... the over-articulation of a gut read is actually helpful... ‘babbling’ she is not.
UNVOTE:

This is feels like a town!Keyser thing to do, I think, unvoting when he gets told he's wrong

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shoshin, tw - teacher read?

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However, you're right, what I did was definitely agenda-y:

I don't know what to do with this

@creature, that seems like a bad idea, but if you want out of the game, that's a way to do it I guess

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No

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where's your hat, then

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I'm ambivalent about Nauci for post 179. To those who play with her a lot: Is she always particularly careful and deliberating, or is she more like this as one alignment than others? I want to townread her for it, but I don't want to be biased just because I like her playstyle.

you find 179 careful and deliberating?

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lol @ shoshin votes

If anyone would like to read through meta, I can link you to like 5? games where I could read Shoshin within her first few posts
Vote me before shoshin, please - at least my role is negative utility

pedit: VOTE: performer

pedit2: unvoting you was not the reason I changed my vote on page 1, but that would have been a very cool move from scum!me now that you mention it

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honestly I think the moral of the story is shoshin/almostnancy/theworst should be the unbreakable townblock for the entire game

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{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter, keyser}
{nauci, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher, xtoxm} null
{mitillos, performer}

pedit: I do not think mitillos should be in the unbreakable townblock, no.
Keyser which of those three reads shouldn't be in the townblock? Or why is that post more likely to come from scum!me than town!me. I can't think of a reason for you to dislike that post.

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the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them

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the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them

When you post stuff like this, Irrel, it feels like you're scum giving yourself wiggle room to later be okay with a lynch on your townreads, 'cus you were just 'friendreading' them and could be wrong.
:/

good thing I wrote other posts huh

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-meta
-not if I'm right
-if you're still talking about scumreading shoshin, lynch me. When I flip town, you are not allowed to place another vote on shoshin. This is @ the entire playerlist.

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I do not think I should be in the townblock at this time.

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If anyone would like to read through meta, I can link you to like 5? games where I could read Shoshin within her first few posts
Vote me before shoshin, please - at least my role is negative utility

I dont want 5 games but 2 would be good. Also disagree about reading people within their first few posts . I had a game where someone mentioned he could absolutely read someone and he ended up being totally wrong and a majority of the phase was devoted to that crazy ordeal .
gustavo said he was certain I was scum and I was town mason in a mini normal. So , I dont believe in people relying that strongly on just meta.

Your role IS negative utility if you're tpr. If it's a scum claim, that's very daring . Asking for us to vote you is just

I mean, it's pretty obvious I don't actually want votes. I just want votes on shoshin even less than I want votes on me.
hard meta scumreads and hard meta townreads are different imo.

viewtopic.php?p=10438106#p10438106 - hard townread on shoshin by page 5
viewtopic.php?p=10493177#p10493177 - replaced into a game I'd been barely skimming in which shoshin was pretty widely scumread (and not playing very well) but I was correctly >80% sure she was town

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good

nauci

naughty list

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viewtopic.php?p=10493177#p10493177 - replaced into a game I'd been barely skimming in which shoshin was pretty widely scumread (and not playing very well) but I was correctly >80% sure she was town

That was an impressive read, actually.

it was sad it got you killed

inb4 varsoon tries to "suspect" me after shoshin gets nightkilled and flips "not a mason"

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honestly all votes should be on xtoxm and performer (one or both are trying to take advantage of varsoon + teacher's suspicion of the slot)

pedit: haha I've gotten a lot more comfortable playing town
also nauci not providing a read on me is maybe towny? I can't decide if it's AI

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Well tbf I was primarily thinking of you as someone who'd investigate me, though I wouldn't be surprised if those who townread me easily would doctor me or something similar, and any of shoshin/tw/keyser/maybe others? would probably notice any crumb I dropped that was meant for scum

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{shoshin, the worst, almost nancy} always town
{skitter,

nauci

}
{

keyser

, creature}
{varsoon, saudade, teacher,

mitillos

} null
{performer,

xtoxm

}

bolded the ones that moved

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I say this with respect for how you're trying to grow as a player & as a person, Varsoon: it feels like it'd be good for everyone if you'd take Shoshin's word for it that the "policy lynch" post was meant to sort me more than it was *anything* towards you

but do your thing, dawg

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xtoxm you should post more so that it is harder for nauci to mislynch you

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Hey Irrelephant, want to policy lynch Varsoon?

Yawn.
Whatever.
You've never mislynched anyone before, why start now?
I'm just gonna follow you until we win.

good plan tbh

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xtoxm you should post more so that it is harder for nauci to mislynch you

maybe start with a vote on nauci, your strongest scumread

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I'm trying to be sassy in a funny way & push on who I think is scum at the same time. Sincerely sorry if that comes across as rude, xtoxm!

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Spoiler:

Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.

I'm glad you decided to respond to pressure with great contributions and sortable content that makes it easy to town read you

Hey maybe don't be a prat like this.

Hey maybe I don't respond to condescension with acquiescence

xtoxm you should post more so that it is harder for nauci to mislynch you

Why are you so sure xtoxm is a mislynch? Is this based on meta?

I read this as Irrelephant's plea to xtoxm speaking from xtoxm's POV presuming that he's town and I'm "lying"

It's a very in character device for townrelephant and I'll have to read his more recent scum game(s) to determine if scumrelephant does it too

Nauci you're my hero

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I've got Irrelephant, the worst, Nauci, Nancy, Skitter, and Mitillos as town.

Creature, Varsoon, NM, Key, Saudade, teacher, and xtom are varying degrees of null, some leaning town, others scum.

Performer's still scummy, but the "Fixed" post actually has me rethinking whether scum would actually play this badly. So I want to reevaluate a few things.

As a starting point, does anyone disagree with my townreads?

can you talk more about mitillos? Is it mostly the reading-my-previous-games thing?

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What about Schaad and Mastina? Why aren’t they posting more?

they're riding the Vulture back to Backwater Station

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Irre, Nauci, Shoshin, Varsoon, Xtoxm...

Woops, I forgot you

Irre, Nauci, Shoshin, Varsoon,

Xtoxm,

the worst...

???

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Also FoS on

add irrel as well to FoS. In the game we were in, I don't remember him just naked voting like he did on me.

Spoiler: let me remind you :)

Hot take: vca tells me one or two of scum are in vex/skitter/enigma
Postcounts tell me skitter/ruru/the worst/vex are town
This is a cheap read but I want my slot to be readable and for this game to be playable as fast as possible

VOTE: enigma

hypo-claim no result (either roleblocked or checked A50)

I mean I don't think it is possible to get a lynch on duckling happening in <48 hours. I'm pretty sold that I want to see Frank and/or CJ flip at this stage and it would take a bit of convincing to move enough people onto counter wagons before EOD

Can we just lynch one of CJ and frank, and move onto other stuff the next day? There is no plurality this game. This day is nearly two weeks already....
If Frank/CJ flip town, my bet is on at least one scum in the lurkers/non-voters HWS, GE, BuJ

I think it's time for frank to claim

Someone 2nd this please

we still have to deal with vig things before eod

ceejay shouldn't claim before frank (or we should be lynching ceejay)

there are also a couple posts I want to make before eod and before ceejay claims and I'm busy tomorrow

VOTE: Alonzo

okay that time the misplaced quotes are definitely my fault lol

VOTE: enigma

Ps I think it’s best if town don’t cc today, or at least until the claim process has finished - we still need to decide if we will lynch or not today. Make an strategic decision on counter claiming, especially if you are investigative, based on other claimed TPRs.

^^ does scum post like this?

this is a good point
I think I'm ready for VOTE: BuJaber

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what if I told you I just have a lot of townreads and want all my townreads to townread me...

as town

pedit: above is @keyser
I wasn't part of that mislynch
I'm neither townreading or scumreading varsoon here (as my readslists show)

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@Varsoon: Is your calling Shoshin town sincere, or are you still upset about the policy lynch thing (or possibly something else)? If it is sincere, please explain your read on her.

Shoshin's 99.9% town, didn't you read Irrel's post?

I don't have ill will towards you, and I came into this game excited to play with the Varsoon who is eagerly trying to improve his ability to get along with other players & play well by joining more newbie games. Please stop giving your best effort to get me to be angry with you.

Keyser, I agree that it's very possible that the gamestate is indicative of 1-2 wolves collecting townreads they don't deserve. I don't understand either (1) why that's more likely me than anyone else or (2) why did I set up this sentence to have two parts, I don't think I have a second part

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Keyser, as for my self-meta-stuff, what would your reaction be if someone was like "well Keyser is always easily townread by everyone in every game, and that's not happening here, so he's scum"
Like?? mitillos literally scumcased me by using meta that was just patently untrue, I wanted the record set straight

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because shoshin did

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2312 and 2362 from that old game are literally posts that are empty other than the votes (2313 provided to show I didn't mean to include quotes) @ performer.
I'm having flashbacks to Gustavo v Shoshin in Presidents

@Nauci interesting request - I'm done being online for the day in a few minutes anyway, so I'll accidentally comply even though I can't decide if I would comply otherwise. Larges are larges, though - d1 will probably be long.

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If Keyser is right that I am TMI-ing the alignments of many townies, I am the most pro-town scummer that ever scummed

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Keyser is being weird
Kinda want to vote him just to further the me+Nauci paranoia he’s got going

Ftr I’m only accessing MS from mobile indefinitely so expect fewer long posts and more broken quotes

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I would like to remove AlmostNancy from the townblock unless/until Skitter townreads Almost50 again. Still a townlean though.

VOTE: Xtoxm’s reaction to pressure being *disappearing* isn’t a good look

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Oh wait teacher’s gone? Sad

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Shoshin please elaborate on the mútilos read

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I dont feel like town-a50 can have a legit scum read on me here so thats a little sus

But what does my opinion matter

Your opinion matters a lot and your feeling that it doesn’t... is a little wolfy tbh
Do you scumread A50? That’s kind of a hot topic of conversation rn and your input is very welcome

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Subject: Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

Do you two really believe you've nailed all scum on D1 or are you intentionally talking out your asses?

Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.

Yeah, because anyone claiming strong reads this early in the game is more likely to just be lying.

Yeah he nailed me and my entire scumtean in rvs and thats why i got so upset

huh

Lol

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Please remain in-hydra for ISOing purposes
A large part of my townread on you came from sheeping Skitter, who can read Almost50 very well

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I’m Rory swann

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Oh no I didn’t even think of that

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I would like Nancy to stop towncasing herself now (if A50 is also doing that I would like that to stop as well)
Please and thank you <3

VOTE: Keyser

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Oh wait I’m on a wagon I like already
VOTE: xtoxm

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But my second vote is on Keyser in spirit

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Dumb thoughts on Nauci!
Annnnd Creature
Annnd AlmostNancy

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And mitillos

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Dumb thoughts on Nauci!
Annnnd Creature
Annnd AlmostNancy

Dump

Mobile posting is less fun

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I don’t think xtoxm’s recent posts have been “meatier”

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Tw have you provided a read on Keyser? I forget if you did
I’m very curious what you think

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[quote="In post 930Other notes include developing a town lean for almost nauci and putting shos from sr to null - both based on the behaviors on the xtox wagon.[/quote]
Sorry Nancy your place in the hydra has been taken

Performer why does Creature tunneling on you give you third party vibes

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Yeah I agree actually
Which means scum slipped into my nullreads/townleans or is Performer
This player list is too long I can’t remember my PoE

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I'm waiting for a VC to move my vote just in case performer is in -2 territory (or for posts from him to change my mind)

But his posts feel the most feigned to me out of everyone's and have consistently stayed in that spot

Side note: every time ducky has been easy to read was a result of him being pressured somewhat so I'm feeling a little paranoid about having thrown him the early town read

Irrelephant, how are you reading skitter? I think I need help on this one.

I’m mildly townreading her internal struggle to sort A50, which is something I’ve seen be important to town!her before. I’m also townreading that everything she has said this game has *felt true*, and trying to balance that against the fact that Skitter one time *rolled everyone as scum* (though I wasn’t in the game - who knows if I would have read her better than others)

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That's a pretty fair summary tbh, the real time interactions + proactive approach to Shoshin is what kinda feels the towniest outta Varsoon for me as well

I think I wanna talk to you about more stuff when I'm more sober tbh but like, I'm glad you caught up and I get the feeling you actually did read the entire thread which is a good vibe

At first I was like “yeah fair summary for sure”
And then I reread and realized meetaph’s post says nothing
Now how do you feel about it

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I think there would have to be a big reason for her being scum for me to consider her as a contender for being scum at the moment and I don't think that really exists atm.

Like what does this sentence even say about Nauci
“There would have to be a big reason for her to be scum for me to consider her scum at the moment, and I don’t think that exists at the moment”
Say it out loud and you’ll have like the definition of a tautology, and you’ll also really find yourself living *at the moment*
I don’t disagree that Nauci is townish but it’s not because *theres not a big reason to call her scum at the moment*

Nothing mewtaph has posted reads

real

so far
VOTE: mewtaph prove me wrong

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Shoshin how do you feel about xtoxm’s self-referential townreads on other players? I sorta townread how his reads on other players leaned on knowing his own alignment to be town

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Keyser, join us

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I recommend anyone who scumreads Mew take a look at his play in the recently finished Fortnight game.

ok, what about that game makes you think he may be town here?

Yeah I glanced at it (admittedly not very thoroughly) before you suggested this and don’t know how it makes new town

Xtoxm still has lots of scum equity, and I agree that my reason to townread him is pretty weak
@Xtoxm what makes you think my claim is more likely to come from scum? Personal experience? Something else?
I trust in this town to return to xtoxm EOD if other lunch candidates town it up.

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oh good you’re here
How do you read Nauci and Skitter?

Also that reasoning makes sense but I have remera reasons to believe I’m likely to get targeted by investigative and/or protective roles this game. I recognize that my claim does make me a lylo liability (since I can’t ever be confirmed), and it becomes mechanically necessary to lynch me before lylo

@shoshin mew’s play in that game you mentioned seems maybe intentionally poor? Town has very little incentive to town it up in that setup, since they don’t need to sort themselves. OTOH here it feels like he’s trying his hardest... and getting less done

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I recommend anyone who scumreads Mew take a look at his play in the recently finished Fortnight game.

ok, what about that game makes you think he may be town here?

Yeah I glanced at it (admittedly not very thoroughly) before you suggested this and don’t know how it makes new town

Xtoxm still has lots of scum equity, and I agree that my reason to townread him is pretty weak
@Xtoxm what makes you think my claim is more likely to come from scum? Personal experience? Something else?
I trust in this town to return to xtoxm EOD if other lunch candidates town it up.

Town claiming pgo instantly loses all it's utility, scum will never target it. Scum claiming pgo gives itself a free pass from all night threats. If I was scum and got dealt a pgo safeclaim id be looking to claim it asap.

Right, I forgot about safeclaims.

I still wonder how they townlocked us so fast, only to unceremonious dump us from the obvtown block. Who do I consult about a refund?

It was about 98% to do with skitter’s A50 townread, which I retracted after she retracted

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I don’t think I’ve ever fake claimed as either alignment? Off the top of my head
I read the wiki about rolling PGO and it said it’s often a good idea to claim to avoid town deaths
So I did

I don’t think anyone should be reading me solely off my claim anyway but maybe that’s just me

@shoshin re:mewtaph I see what you’re saying about his townread of me, but I kinda feel like his reasoning implicated himself as scum in the process, and I’m not currently very lynchable, so it’s not a very exciting read to arrive at. I want more before I have anything resembling a townread (whether or not it’s based on meta)

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@Nancy neither of us completely retracted our townreads. I have seen Skitter successfully read A50 with crazy accuracy off like two posts (we won’t the Coalition setup this way once) and so when she townread A50 that was enough for me; I didn’t need anything else. When she retracted the strength of the read, I moved you from town block to townlean (which is where my read on you is without depending on skitter’s meta relationship with A50).

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@skitter define “equivocating” in that context?

Pedit: “I was thinking about how scum would interact with the shoshin/Varsoon thing and I think scum would just *not interact with it*” which just so happens to be true about his slot

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Shoshin you might be right about mewtaph and if you are I’ll hopefully come around soon but I’m gonna explore it further and i think it’s helpful regardless of which of us is right for my vote to be on him while I scumread him

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In other news Skitter/Nauci and Skitter/AlmostNancy are never scumteams

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How am I meant to not scum read shoshin here. Going into this game all I see I about her are people worshipping her town game, and herself boasting about the perfection of her town game.

And then she death tunnels me.

So given the knowledge of my own alignment.

Do I respect her reputation, therefore indicating she's tunnelling me for a mislynch.

Or disregard her reputation and call her a townbeard.

Please explain how I not scum read shosin here.

By trusting those who know what her town game looks like. Varsoon is being extremely sarcastic when he repeats that Shoshin has never participated in a mislynch; of course she has. If youre town, her tunneling you doesn’t mean she’s scum, and the wide variety of meta townreads on her should have some sway for you. BoP her on d3 if she hasn’t lynched scum, not in the first half of D1.

@tw one day this elephant will evolve into a smart and mighty duck. Hats off to you

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Pedit: “I was thinking about how scum would interact with the shoshin/Varsoon thing and I think scum would just *not interact with it*” which just so happens to be true about his slot

Wouldn't that be towny for him to say, since scum tend not to use reasoning that implicates themselves?

Maybe
I’ve used reasoning that implicated myself before as scum, though. If it looks towny and I don’t expect people to look into it too much, I’ll post it to look like I have depth - which was my first impression of mewtaph’s post.

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I still don’t know why mitillos was so high in so many people’s reads

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Xtoxm said “coming into this game”
He’s on the playerlist for the linked signup thread so he saw your post here before this game started

Hopefully I’m not offending anyone by observing that xtoxm and Varsoon are friends, and that his scumread of you might be influenced by liking his friend and not liking the person who argued with his friend. In this scenario (where that post is his introduction to who you are) I don’t scumread that he scumreads you for scumreading him.
Can’t decide if I townread him for it but I don’t scumread him for it I think

I’m sad tw will be gone for awhile his posts are really making me feel sane this game
Nauci’s too which is interesting, maybe I should townread Nauci more (I’ve been looking for strong reasons to because her scumgame is good but if I were led by my gut I would definitely have her high up rn)

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I guess I did already have Nauci high in my reads actually, so,,, good.

I forgot about millos’ info claim completely
Okay he can be a townread

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You can click on the “post 46” to go to the original thread

I will also agree that shoshin’s reads are above average, and she’s sometimes the first to call out a scum! She often makes unreadable players readable, too, in unique ways.

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VOTE: keyser has been online without engaging here

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1313 is fine, potentially towny
I’m sad Keyser isn’t really here though
It’s probably NAI I guess. I hope he catches up and/or real-times soon

What are the odds of Varsoon/xtoxm team? Low? Or are they jsut forgoing using daychat?

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It’s just sort of occurring to me mitillos could be 3p

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Eh maybe not. Sort of a weird thing to be informed of as 3p

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Okay so I can share now that I am somewhat scumreading AlmostNancy

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I just finished a 5p game that took place in the dead thread of Newbie 1900 (very silly situation) where I hydra’d with Auro. We were scum. He was getting scumread, so a fair amount of my energy went into *looking casual and towny and explaining away my hydra partner’s weirdness”

Which imo is like allí Almost50 has done

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I don’t even understand the bizarre typos mobile posting has brought into my life

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Lol I agree derby isn’t real mafia, but the dynamic still existed
No I haven’t seen his scumgame

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lol I was wondering who would say they forgot about daychat
I actually had to look at the OP to check before I wrote that post but I figured asking about daychat itt would be a wifom y waste of time

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Okay so I can share now that I am somewhat scumreading AlmostNancy

Cool and if we ever play together again, I’ll boycott you townlocking me. Deal?

I don’t townread how important my read of you is to you, and my feeling (admittedly w/o double checking) is that most of your posts this game have been about your own alignment. Townblocking you made sense when Skitter townread A50. It doesn’t anymore. Sorry if that bothers you!

If you want my townblock townread again, get A50 to get townread by Skitter again

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Xtoxm now who’s scum?

I kinda read that thing Performer said about me & my flavor as a typo? Because I didn’t say anything about Rory Swann’s identity; I’m completely unfamiliar with the flavor for this game. Tinfoil hat says someone else said it in scumchat and Performed remembered me saying it?

Keyser you’re still voting Nauci?

Ewo (aka the worst), is Saudade a real wagon you would like others to join? Or just like, a place for your vote for a bit

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Deadline is kinda soon huh

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Oh 4 days not 3, not as bad as I first thought
I’ve decided Skitter is definitely town
I don’t think she feels weird about Keyser & others’ lack of townreads unless she *really does* have a bunch of townreads to compare that feeling to

Tw why are you townreading Creature here? I don’t think anything he’s done is damning but I feel like I have reasons to townread most players and he is not one of them
Xtoxm could still be scum @everyone btw, he’s been slightly towny but not enough to climb up my PoE much
I asked about Varsoon/xtoxm team not because I think their interactions show an obvious s/s play but because they almost seem *too obviously* not aligned??? If that makes sense, as if Varsoon decided “I’m sticking my neck out for the scum” would be a strong distancing play, and it maybe feels overdone?
But that might just be me

Mewtaph feels towny but I’m still not really finding much that is strong I can point to as a reason why, which sorta nullifies the feeling imo. Maybe Keyser is just scum who doesn’t want to be scum here?

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MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

Kokichi Oma replaces Saudade

Votecount 1.17

Keyser Söze(4)

~ Shoshin(138), Varsoon(114), Irrelephant11(105), Not_Mafia(9)

Xtoxm(3)

~ Performer(48), AlmostNancy(263), Nauci(113)

Performer(1)

~ Mitillos(36)

Mewtaph(1)

~ skitter30(102)

Kokichi Oma(1)

~ the worst(199)

Creature(1)

~ Creature(107)


Not Voting (4): Keyser Söze(54), Xtoxm(55), Mewtaph(6), Kokichi Oma(19)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:15:17)

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

Kokichi! Welcome!
Keyser I’m trying to sort you and your *lack of posts* is a thing to sort
I don’t feel like your name is in my mouth more than anyone else’s name, I find it a little weird that you do - but maybe I’m remembering wrong. I still want you to be town and am more than prepared to townread you when you catch up, so I also think you’re a little overdefensive here

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Creature and Keyser: fight! fight! fight!

@skitter I was thinking I should explore my Nauci read more for my own sake, so yeah I’ll do it out loud

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Relly, do you feel in anyway pocketed by Nauci? If you're town reading her, are those town feels attributed to all her actions/behaviour outside of her town reading you?

Does this make sense

Yes I missed this
I’ll try to answer it as I explore Nauci’s ISO

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I would also like to vouch for Skitter joining the townblock

Towncasing Nauci with quotes is turning out to be a terrible experience on mobile but I’m still working on it because I think I really do believe it

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Sup y'all

Stacked roster ♪┏(°.°)┛┗(°.°)┓┗(°.°)┛┏(°.°)┓ ♪

Since I'm still recovering from pollution induced bronchitis and general burn out, don't expect me to be at my 110% wall posting mode for a bit

I'll aim for like 40% capacity and if town is lucky I'll get all the way up to half assed

But I do intend to come out of this with a 12-1 town record...

Okay so I actually remember not townreading this entrance, and I still don’t love it (“expect less from me”). The ironic thing though is I don’t feel like I’m getting less from a Nauci than usual, and I agree with her recent self-analysis that she’s getting a similar amount of scumhunting done with fewer walls.

Now that everybody but NM has joined us

VOTE: varsoon

39 this is the closest I've seen TW ever get to having a natural flow and carefree attitude. I feel like I'm pretty confident at reading scum worst at this point and there's no hint of the nervous YOLOing and showboating I've seen (unfortunately for our poor ducky) too many times. Town lean.

we can sniff out scum together buddeh

90 I'm also fairly confident in my ability to read irrelephant and while it's too early to go into details, I disagree with your assessment in this post. However, thank you for 104 because I need to go read up on that scumrelephant game.

106 I have very WIFOM thoughts about this post and the use of "same team" instead of "both town." I would think scum faking this banter would take care to say "town" instead of "same team"? But then again, if this was a casual thought typed directly into the box without too much thought for manipulation, it felt quite scummy.

I'm voting Varsoon for now because that entrance left a lot to be desired.

I think the tw & varsoon reads made sense here, the willingness to give reads with reasons here is towny, and the comments about me are usual for town!Nauci. This is the start of buddying-me-by-way-of-complimenting-my-scum-game, though, if Keyser is right about her play, so we’ll track that too

I've got no read at all on Keyser since I'm recalibrating on him haha

Makes perfect sense for Nauci given WW and is towny for her here (and I no longer think they’re partners)

Thoughts otherwise:
Nauci keeps using their vote as pressure on players that aren't here rather than sticking to a wagon and dealing with the possible interactions that come from it. I don't like this.
Mitilos and Skitter are parsing out their thoughts plenty and I like that, though I'm still trying to make heads or tails of them.
The Worst truly is The Worst but at the very least their play IS consistent and reminds me of their town play, so I don't feel horrible about their slot.

What's up you cool babies?

Confirming that I'm doing this

But also that I always do this

You know how often day 1 lurkers turn out to be scum while the whole town is busy FOSing each other?

The last question here is totally consistent with town!Nauci, who keeps attention and pressure on lurkers because she thinks it’s important

Varsoon, why do you treat early, 2-3 votewagons as if they must be accurate reads, or require extensive justification, or are in danger of leading to your lynch?

The fact that you're already talking about how you'd flip from having 2 page <10 votes on you gives me bad vibes, but maybe we just have wildly different early game philosophy. What's yours?

I pulled this post to say I liked the “stop getting stuck in these two options” thing she’s doing
I also think the “what’s yours” is sort of tonally off for the post, like it’s too easy & lighthearted? I would s/s read this if either ever flips scum, but till then, I think it’s just Nauci sort of changing the subject/helping varsoon open up

VOTE: shosin

I was already getting scum vibes from calling a bunch of different people town for no reason and campaigning for a policy lynch is just a dick move

This is the least original post in the game

Varsoon are you going to call out this plagiarism

My naughty list is currently xtoxm, performer, and possibly Keyser but that's just for having been relatively quiet for keyser

This is audacious for scum!Nauci

Perhaps TW and Nauci could chip in here too...

I outright withhold judgement on Irrelephant11 for the time being

Town!Nauci always does this so it would be scummy if she didn’t
It might be something she feels the need to do as scum to keep up our meta but it’s NAI if so

the caveat on my reads is that I have townleaned friends who do not deserve it before because I like them

When you post stuff like this, Irrel, it feels like you're scum giving yourself wiggle room to later be okay with a lynch on your townreads, 'cus you were just 'friendreading' them and could be wrong.
:/

good thing I wrote other posts huh

I love this new sassy Irrelephant, regardless of alignment

Re:pocketing this is a nice thing to say, but Nauci compliments my personality and play as town (while also being afraid of my scumgame) so it’s not really enough for pocketing imo

Yeah, because anyone claiming strong reads this early in the game is more likely to just be

lying

.

Interesting you’d say “lying” as opposed to just wrong.

So, lemme get this straight. According to you, everyone who has claimed to have a strong read - either town or scum - is more likely to be straight-up lying than wrong.

Wow, this must be like the most scum sided game in the history of Mafia then.

Nice catch

I didn’t really think this was a nice catch? But I think I maybe believe Nauci thinks this is a nice catch
Especially given its consistent with a previous scumreading xtoxm

Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.

I'm glad you decided to respond to pressure with great contributions and sortable content that makes it easy to town read you

Hey maybe don't be a prat like this.

Hey maybe I don't respond to condescension with acquiescence

This is Nauci being Nauci, allow me to introduce you to Nauci
NAI but great

xtoxm you should post more so that it is harder for nauci to mislynch you

Why are you so sure xtoxm is a mislynch? Is this based on meta?

I read this as Irrelephant's plea to xtoxm speaking from xtoxm's POV presuming that he's town and I'm "lying"

It's a very in character device for townrelephant and I'll have to read his more recent scum game(s) to determine if scumrelephant does it too

Re:pocketing like mayyybe Nauci goes into this game trying really hard to pocket me? But at the same time I think scum!Nauci wants me dead, and given my claim she’d need me lynched eventually, and defending me accurately when she could just *not* seems unnecessary here

Good point, I must @mit

But yeah, performer's posts all ping me

Like the "fixed" post where he wants to point out that people also wanted to policy him (? I don't know if that happened and no one else noticed or talked about it?). It's just hyper aware of what others have said about him when the rest of the posts make it clear that we weren't putting any weight into those posts. To me, this comes across as the actions of a guilty conscience/perspective at a much stronger degree than anything else I could consider alignment indicative this game, without tons of further research into various players' metas.

Also, while I haven't processed it into detailed explanation yet, I think of townrelephant as more like a bloodhound than an elephant. He checks under every rock and chases every possible lead and is never hesitant to get on wagons to pressure players in the interest of sortable content or chasing up a hunch. He's like the entire Mystery Van crew by himself, and exudes the town confidence of not feeling like he owes explanations of his actions until after his play is done.

P.S. I'm not sorry for the awful pun

This is the only post I’d think is maybe meant to pocket me

Oh I actually misread the performer "fixed" post (I thought he was saying there was a PL proposed on him instead of that he also denied a PL on varsoon)

It softens my stance a little but now I am more perplexed by the post than ever

Eh, makes sense

I've seen townrelephant exhibit these behaviors in every game I've seen townrelephant

He's infectiously cheerful to the point of paranoia driving pocketing as a personality

So you're sold he's outside his scum range here?

No. As I always say, his scum range is huge and he's good at it.

I'm just saying that all of those behaviors are within his town range.

Which his scum range largely encompasses.

Irrelephant requires far more observation to sort than that.

Nauci just does this with me D1, doesn’t feel like pocketing, we’re friends and she’s paranoid about my scumgame, etc etc

@Varsoon

My experience with Shoshin is that she is always rather aggressive and asks very, very good questions of people which really press them to explain their line of thinking in a sortable way. She's like a math teacher constantly demanding every student show their work so even if they're wrong we can see how they got there or if they're right we know they weren't cheating off of someone else's post. I frequently disagree with her conclusions but her method has proven very valuable but also frequently lynchbaity because there's a stubbornness and frequent empty voting employed. You don't have to follow her conclusions but you should investigate her meta to see that this is in line with her town game.

This post was going to get posted by *someone* given multiple players’ experience playing with shoshin but that doesn’t mean Nauci should get townread for being the one to do so

Ducky you're one of the most fun players on the site

You're excellent at combatting cynicism and fatigue and an expert at defusing tense situations by just being you

Hmm if scum, Nauci is here to pocket every player she thinks she can in some very large pockets
I think it might just be more likely that Nauci is really enjoying herself playing with friends who are good teammates as town

Hey that's not a theory

Tricksy keyser

I townread the tone of this

Is NM alive it's been 2 days

I miss that quirky miltank

Towny timing to be paranoid about NM



tl;dr Nauci could be scum but if so she’s doing it really well, playing very boldly with a direct intention to pocket, feeling very comfortable (which would be new for her scumgame), and I just think occam’s razor says Nauci is town having fun and chasing leads

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I only got halfway through the ISO but I’m gonna stop here I think because I’m not lynching Nauci and I don’t think anyone else should want to, either, and mobile posting has made this notttt funnnn to do

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UNVOTE:

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There’s a to;dr at the bottom

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Kokichi what have you read so far
Do you have any reads

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I was giving performer a lot of room just because I completely do not understand his sense of logic and reason and assumed it'd bias me against him but even with that, I've seen Town performer play with far more will

This is basically where I’m at re:performer
Seems better than a Keyser lynch, & I’m not willing to fight to lynch xtoxm right now, so
VOTE: performer

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Right
NM and xtoxm are still fine lunches tbh
As is mewtaph, kokichi
+ probably someone else I’ve forgotten
Obviously they each have some amount of town equity (none have scum claimed) but there’s a pretty high bar for towniness this game I feel - I don’t super understand defenses for any of these players beyond “I just really feel towniness from them, this meh play they’re doing is just what town!them would do here”

I’ve seen shoshin correctly read NM before and NM can be pretty good at tpr, so I guess I’m also willing to not lynch there?

But I think we push past the “please don’t lynch!!!”s on one of these players and just do it; soon, probably

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As an aside if I’m bored enough later I’ll maybe try to make a chart of everyone we’ve collectively considered lynching and who defended each of them (whether subtly or loudly)

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VOTE: kokichi

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VOTE: kokichi

why are you voting me? iirc, you've played with me when I was scum and you were town. how does this game parallel that at all right now?

Nothing about this game reminds me of that one
There I lacked strong townreads for awhile
Here I’m townreading most of the active players, so I’m voting one of the quiet slots. Sometimes it’s that simple

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VOTE: kokichi

why are you voting me? iirc, you've played with me when I was scum and you were town. how does this game parallel that at all right now?

Nothing about this game reminds me of that one
There I lacked strong townreads for awhile
Here I’m townreading most of the active players, so I’m voting one of the quiet slots. Sometimes it’s that simple

Where is the logic in that? And also if you're saying that nothing is similar, wouldn't that give you pause to vote me? And instead vote one of the other quiet slots? Why me in particular?

I think it’s pretty logical - “I’m townreading everyone who’s talking, therefore I should vote a lurker” is smart town okay. What about it bothers you so? Just that it happens to be your slot?
I am definitely interested to here you talk more about AlmostNancy as you read more of the game

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*smart town play

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@Almost - he shared an unpopular read on you & I’m interested to see it develop, given it seems you two have history
I expect him to share reads on all slots eventually, obviously
What’s the point of this line of questioning?

@Keyser - I got vague town feels from Performer’s recent posts, which is part of why I moved my vote. I think your reasons to townread him are fine. I’ve seen you defend both town and scum with that “TWTBAW” reasoning, so I’m unsure how much to townread Performer from it. His disagreeing with your meta defense of him was probably the most town-indicative in the wifom-y way

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Kokichi why vote mitillos over Almost, given the reads you’ve shared?
Mitillos: why vote performer over kokichi, given the reads you’ve shared?

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Eh I rescind the second question

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Mitillos what do you think of Keyser’s Performer towncase?

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That’s a good point about prominent wagons I guess
I skimmed the last few pages too quickly maybe

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TWTBAW

You've surpassed me at buzzwords

Lol I might have made it up
Is it Too wolfy To Be A Wolf?
or Too Scummy To Be Scum?

Or something else?
It’s town-indicative for Keyser to make this kind of towncase but in this case I’m not sold on town!Performer

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Given limited time, I think the best way for you to prevent your lynch is to find scum and convinced us of it

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There’s a lot there
Something about PGO?

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I dunno how good I feel about lynching Kokichi

1 indicator of a possible town wagon, is the lack of resistance. I think Shoshin’s townblock likely has some red in it. I’m not sure who rn but I’m not buying all scum are LHFs, like seriously, how often does that ever happen?

Anyway, never lynching Shoshin, the worst, you.

If Kokichi did what he did in DnD, it would make this a whole lot easier but my gut is telling me, he’s probably a mislynch. Xtoxm is probably town, due to Shoshin dead thread derp.

Varsoon, Skitter, Keyzer, probably town too.

What about me do you not townread at this point besides the fact I lost a lot of my townread on you?
Actually, why not just call me out here? “There’s probably red in Shoshin’s townblock, and it’s not

• ”
  Why are you never lynching Creature? I don’t remember your townread there being so strong. Link me to your explanation?

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It’s ‘Cause I said “TWTBAW”
Almost as bad as wagonomics I assume

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I didn’t/don’t have time to analyze who’s defending who
Maybe I’ll do it during the night phase
Creature who do you want lyncheddd

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Called it

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Only seen NM get this petty as scum (the game Nauci modded)

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Votecount 1.23

Kokichi Oma(4)

~ Shoshin(157), Irrelephant11(130), Nauci(175), skitter30(127)

Performer(3)

~ Mitillos(45), the worst(271), Mewtaph(18)

Xtoxm(1)

~ Performer(75)

Mewtaph(1)

~ Varsoon(135)

Irrelephant11(1)

~ Not_Mafia(14)

Creature(1)

~ Creature(124)


Not Voting (4): Keyser Söze(91), Xtoxm(67), Kokichi Oma(72), AlmostNancy(363)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-13 17:18:42)

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CREATURE!!!!!

Spoiler:

please note that the use of zerglings in this image does not imply anything about Creature's alignment in this game, it is just the best Starcraft themed birthday image I could find

FLAVOR

Spoiler:

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Ye

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I’d lunch any of NM/Kokichi/Mewtaph over Performer
I’d lunch any of them

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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It is? That’s what she’s saying?

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I'm not super unhappy or super happy with going with anybody in my POE pool so I'm very much in the midst of chasing down new leads but pessimistic about whether or not there's enough time left today to do much with anything I find

To quote you. "You have two whole days to figure it out"

The pessimism isn't about whether or not I can chase things down. It's just too late to start a new wagon, I'm pretty sure.

I guess that means I should throw my efforts entirely on the existing set of lynchable players. Doh

For Christ sake Nauci. We have 2 days and this is possibly the most active game I've ever played.
viewtopic.php?p=7565356#p7565356
2 entirely new wagons were pushed to l1 after this post.
Build the wagon you believe in.

You’re literally not even voting

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Spoiler: For Irrelephant's Eyes Only!

Skim Open 732 and tell me if you see what I see?

Wait am I supposed to read the actual game or follow this link and read scumchat?

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{tw}
{Shoshin, Irrelephant}
{skitter, Nauci}
{Xtoxm, Creature, Mitillos}
{Performer, Keyser, Varsoon, AlmostNancy}
{Mewtaph}
{Kokichi, NM}

Ish

Swap tiers 1 & 2
Swap Creature/Xtoxm with Keyser/Varsoon
This is functionally my readslist tho

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Spoiler: For Irrelephant's Eyes Only!

Skim Open 732 and tell me if you see what I see?

Wait am I supposed to read the actual game or follow this link and read scumchat?

Dangit I was hoping only the people who clicked would realize that I linked scumchat instead of the actual game (ಥ_ಥ)

As happy as I would be to get that far inside your head
I don’t get what I’m supposed to get :0

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intent to marry entire playlist

@Nauci I had already read that entire scumchat to be able to read Skitter better in another game. Nothing was new to me, and I’m not townreading Skitter for any of her easily fakeable reasons, so nothing stood out to me there either. The fact she hasn’t pushed many players makes sense to me; I don’t have many scumreads either. The way she’s handling the AlmostNancy slot feels especially town for her. I forget what my third reason was, but it wasn’t something I thought Skitter had the foresight to fake

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Oh 4 days not 3, not as bad as I first thought
I’ve decided Skitter is definitely town
I don’t think she feels weird about Keyser & others’ lack of townreads unless she *really does* have a bunch of townreads to compare that feeling to

Oh yeah, this

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NM is L-3
We have 29 hours left
Just as a recap

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Currently wondering about my town-lean on Mit... possibly premature there... May relegate him back down to null-green (suspicion: pocketing. I took a step back at his ISO, and I feel his ‘movements’ have been ‘too measured’... maybe too controlled?)

I like this from you because I’ve felt all game he’s been getting stronger townreads than he deserves
I sorta 3p-read him because I feel like he doesn’t deserve a scumread, but also doesn’t deserve a strong townread
But meh there might not even be a 3p

Anyway, this is a good look for you

I was thinking about this game yesterday and decided if this is Varsoon’s scumgame, it’s super unique and fascinating. I guess this thought doesn’t really go anywhere, but I’ve typed it up, so here it is

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That’s how I understand it, yeah

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Perhaps importantly(?) my “kill flavor” is bullets

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Claim?
I’m getting a TMI vibe from Kokichi’s read of NM...

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Too much information
It feels like he knows you’re town and wants towncred when you flip green

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I’ve never played on MU

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I try to pick up the lingo as I go
And then I messed up the lingo
So ummm
Yes?

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K
VOTE: Kokichi

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@mitillos Shoshin not answering me about your slot is par for the course when it comes to town!her
She ignores questions all the time for a variety of reasons. It’s occasionally frustrating but not a reason to re-evaluate my townread of her

Do we believe the Kokichi claim

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I'm a day 2 IC. lynch xtomn

This is probable but not especially believable
The question I guess is whether he’s d2 IC or a strong scum pr

@Kokichi NM was at l-1 with 24 hours, normally a time to claim.
At the same time I was writing the post I had the thought that you were acting way too confident about NM, so I shared that thought too
The fact you claimed without being asked kind of nullifies your “asking for claims is bad” issue with me imo

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*provable

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Idk if I believe it, I’m terrible at setup spec always
I’m outsourcing the decision because I get suckered by every late-day claim, fake or not

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If I was vig I'd be shooting Irre tonight.

You’d die, that would be stupid

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The question I guess is whether he’s d2 IC or a strong scum pr

nice shade. you're scum lmfao

I mean multiple players with extensive shared meta w/ me disagree
I haven’t believed any of Kokichi’s reads, I don’t think

Re-Nauci’s post is your d2 IC claim real?

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Can you point to anything from NM specifically that makes him town? @kokichi

@Nancy why doesn’t Kokichi saying “neither of us are scum” read w/w..?

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Not mafia will flip green.

VOTE: xtom

Only person being voted I dont mind being lynched

I can’t find anything about xtoxm in your ISO
Why xtoxm?

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wolf/wolf

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Can you point to anything from NM specifically that makes him town? @kokichi

@Nancy why doesn’t Kokichi saying “neither of us are scum” read w/w..?

I think you misunderstood my post. I said they are NOT w/w because scum!Kokichi would either bus or lynch his counterwagon, so that’s why I lean to both of them more likely being town here.

No I read it correctly
I just think “neither of us are scum” is plausibly w/w, and don’t get why you say the opposite

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Lol I didn’t think so either

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i really don't believe this but i'd feel dumb as anything lynching an actual day2 ic tbh

i'm fine leaving him till tomorrow and lynching him tomorrow if his claim isn't corroborated by the mod; my preferred lynch in that instance would be mew

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My ego wants him to be scum and wants to see through the lie
My brain agrees that it’s probably a better decision to leave him alive, because even if he’s scum he’s probably not that powerful a scum role (I mean what are the chances? I actually don’t know if this is role madness or not but I feel like the odds are low)
If Kokichi and AlmostNancy are both town and both right that NM is town, the scumteam in my head becomes {Performer, Mewtaph, xtoxm}
I think I’d also want mewtaph in that scenario

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Can you point to anything from NM specifically that makes him town? @kokichi

ive seen him as scum on another site, he did not act like this.

What about the fact that multiple players here have seen him play exactly like this as scum

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Kokichi how do you feel about mewtaph

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I haven’t
Rumor has it they’re long
But I will at some point probably

Why isn’t A59 playing?

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I get brownie points in the dead thread if she is tho

Its entirely possible my reads are a crock of shit this game but this is how I see it

@Irrelephant11, do you honestly think this comes from scum?

Not very often, no
But that sentence doesn’t compare to much stronger townreads I have on most of the rest of the playerlist after ruling out you, kokichi, and nm

@kokichi told by who?

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VOTE: mewtaph

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There’s no reason I’ve seen for NM townreads
AN and KO are very sure he’s town though

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Yeah okay
VOTE: Not_Mafia
“Play style” isn’t enough of a defense when many other players are just objectively townier

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Who’s the scum who was voting NM before? Or now?

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Kokichi’s scumreads are {me, Nauci, xtoxm, Shoshin, mewtaph}
Just for the record

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Irrelephant, Shoshin: reads list before EOD?

I gave one not that long ago and I’ll be here d2

Can we lynch Kokichi now? IC isn’t even that strong of a tpr if it’s true (and I really don’t feel like it’s true)
Anyone know if Jim Raynor makes sense as delayed IC?

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I mean Kokichi’s claim is “you have to leave me alive for two day phases so I can get nightkilled N2 or N3”
We’re all scumreading him
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say we should lynch the player we’re scumreading who will only be generating a single inno (himself)

Flavor makes sense I guess, no I’ve never played Starcraft (signed up for mod & playerlist, not flavor)

I also think his “you’re openwolfing” @me is actually *him* openwolfing. I’m never scum here and town!Kokichi could handle a townie who is scumreading him being skeptical of his claim (indeed he has no suspicion for Varsoon, Skitter etc who also still want to lynch him)

But fine we’ll do NM I guess because it’s mechanically better (but only if he’s town, guys!)

I agree that Shoshin, the worst, and Nauci are definitely town

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Scum buying themselves 1 or 2 days doesn't save them whatsoever and only opens them up for more associatives when they do get pinned.
Back off of it, Irrel.

I now know what you were feeling when you wanted to lynch doughboy in the newbie

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Oh shoot that was hammer?

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Sure was
Let’s hope NM wasn’t something important

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Kinda feel like he’d have tried harder if he was a tpr, so I’m actually not super worried about it
Flip red
Flip red!
FLIP RED
FLIP RED!

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Good point
I’ll drop it I guess

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Shoshin I had early (albeit very very small) suspicions of you i didn’t voice because I thought there was a 0% chance you’d make it to lylo without me given my role

I’m back to having no clue how to read the worst tho

Gg all! There was a lot of discussion in the dead thread about whether or not this was scumsided. I still feel it was (remove the witch and I’d play that 14p setup and be inclined to call it balanced) but regardless there were some very solid scum plays here I won’t take away from (even as I felt Performer and Keyser were basically obvscum the entire game, sorry but its true)

I also learned a lot about playing with multiple anti-town factions. I townread the worst and keyser for seeing some of the same things in mitillos as me, and townread Shoshin and the worst partially because of their mutual townreads of each other. Etc Guess I wasn’t expecting to go from 10v3 minis to a 10v1v1+3

Fun game with fun moments though! Even if I had to watch most of it play out from the sidelines.

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Shoshin was 3p? If that wasn’t clear

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Shoshin I had early (albeit very very small) suspicions of you i didn’t voice because I thought there was a 0% chance you’d make it to lylo without me given my role

My favorite part of this game was when you said to lynch yourself over me.

Tbf to me I functioned as mitillos’ free nightkill and you were town’s best hope after Kokichi got lynched
So I kinda stand by it

it's weirdly close to 33/33/33 I think? without checking it?
don't forget town lost some very useful power roles for stupid reasons

would be interested to hear mastina's take. I kinda wonder if it's closer to 40/30/30

fwiw the three core alignments (town/zerg/shoshin) had mutually exclusive wincons

Very stupid reasons & yes that’s true
Though Shoshin could win with mafia if it was 1v1 I think?

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No jk mafia needed majority and Shoshin needed to be one of the last two alive, it’s true that it’s mutually exclusive
Lynching our own triple voting IC was a thing I had no part in that did indeed happen

Anyway....

Wish I could have lived longer to help Shoshin and the worst lynch whoever they wanted all game long!!

Pedit yeah you two winning together would have been very deserved but also 100% scumsided

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I think town might have won if I was the D1 lynch

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Shoutout to xtoxm, Nancy, and NM who all had better reads than me and got punished for it!
Would gladly play with y’all again, though I’m taking a break from signing up for things right now (unrelated to this game, don’t worry)

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i very very very seriously did not expect my vote to go down that badly. i was getting ready for work and spam-refreshing the page with UNVOTE: on my clipboard for like nearly an hour

In retrospect this is actually really hilarious
Shades of Natalie Anderson in Survivor 29, winning while “accidentally” double-crossing her alliance (“oops!!”)