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Post Post #2700 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:25 am

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What's your read on T&L, Pint?
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Post Post #2701 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:26 am

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In post 2682, jjh927 wrote:VOTE: Tibor

If I'm casing this it happens tomorrow
By the way, counter to this bad vote.

I, brassherald, am not the one that repped out, despite having only completed one scum game in my life. I hate rolling scum and everyone should know this by this point. If either of us left the game as scum, it would have been me, and in fact, it was me in the previous game we played on this hydra where we rolled scum.

So, like, I feel like at this point, having remained in the game and not just decided to leave, I should be Innocent Child level because I am still here.
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Post Post #2702 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:27 am

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In post 2697, Tibor and Lumia wrote: So, who is third scum?
I thought it was Kokichi, but he died at night and I don't get Varsoon's D1 now that he was nightkilled. Not that he's less town now, but I don't understand his process.

I'll reevaluate my reads on Mewtaph, ProFlavor and Alchemist, I think I townread those slots too quick, but ProFlavor I'm almost 95% sure they're town.
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Post Post #2703 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:27 am

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Yeah it's Michael Scott for scum.
Too many :P faces.

VOTE: Michael Scott
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Post Post #2704 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:29 am

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In post 2699, Michael Scott wrote: "Just after"? Wrong, Creature was calling me scum way before that; he started a wagon on me - go check.
This should break your case.

Also, if JJH is my buddy, help bus him? :P There's a wagon on him right now and you think both of us are scum, yet you vote me?
I meant after the post talking about his final reads.

If you're willing to buss jjh and jjh is not willing to go after you, I think that you're more relevant, or even that maybe I'm wrong and jjh is just town.
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Post Post #2705 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:30 am

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In post 2700, Michael Scott wrote:What's your read on T&L, Pint?
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Post Post #2706 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:39 am

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In post 2703, Varsoon wrote:Yeah it's Michael Scott for scum.
Too many :P faces.

VOTE: Michael Scott
How is this even a reason?
I was using the same faces as Excalibur, I was town there.
Explain.
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Post Post #2707 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:41 am

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In post 2704, pinturicchio wrote:I meant after the post talking about his final reads.

If you're willing to buss jjh and jjh is not willing to go after you, I think that you're more relevant, or even that maybe I'm wrong and jjh is just town.
Yeah, but that destroys the idea that I made that post *because* he just called me scum. Obviously I was going to be scum in his final reads - and AFAIR I couldn't comment on the other game I was in with him because it was ongoing at that time.
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Post Post #2708 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:42 am

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Oh, ok, I get your point, didn't know that game was ongoing.
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Post Post #2709 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:43 am

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In post 2692, Varsoon wrote:Gotta figure I wasn't targeted because scum knew I'd be killing town and that I'm pocketed.
And this *doesn't* factor into your reads at all?
Or that STW's wagon likely has scum on it?

You think I'm scum because... Too many emoticons?
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Post Post #2710 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:45 am

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In post 2708, pinturicchio wrote:Oh, ok, I get your point, didn't know that game was ongoing.
Not only that, but he flipped town in that game - I was scum and NK'd him. When my slot was pushing him, he hyperposted to the top, was putting in a lot of effort to solve the game, and even said hyperposting is town-exclusive.

None of that happened this game.
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Post Post #2711 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:48 am

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@Varsoon did you target someone at N1?
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Post Post #2712 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:49 am

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In post 2696, pinturicchio wrote:I don't know your case against Mew
Read Mew's D2 ISO - tell me what you make of it.
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Post Post #2713 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:49 am

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@MS yeah I get it. But you asking to someone else about metareads doesn't make sense if you had all that info
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Post Post #2714 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:50 am

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In post 2712, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 2696, pinturicchio wrote:I don't know your case against Mew
Read Mew's D2 ISO - tell me what you make of it.
I will, not now tho, I'm phoneposting. Real time interactions for now
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Post Post #2715 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:52 am

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In post 2713, pinturicchio wrote:@MS yeah I get it. But you asking to someone else about metareads doesn't make sense if you had all that info
It totally makes sense. If a person whose read accuracy on a slot is very high, and they're highly confident on said slot, flipping otherwise points towards a good likelihood of them being scum.

I was evaluating the info I had to my capability.
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Post Post #2716 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:53 am

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In post 2713, pinturicchio wrote:@MS yeah I get it. But you asking to someone else about metareads doesn't make sense if you had all that info
What I mean is: if you, with all that info you had, were sure that Creature was flipping scum, why do you ask someone else if they're sure about him flipping scum.

P-edit: so you weren't that confident?
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Post Post #2717 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:54 am

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In post 1860, Mewtaph wrote:Shredding my town read on Taly.
In post 2367, Mewtaph wrote:Alright... that's a kill on obv town that doubly serves in framing me.
In post 2428, Mewtaph wrote:Well, for positions to be relevant then some actions need to be dependent in some way based on position, right? Mephisto's ability isn't gated through positions though, and Varsoon's is implied not to be. So instead, it could be plausible that any scum player can make the night kill, but they'd have to be within X range. This would make Mephisto's flipped watcher role, for example, much more likely to find results, if say, a mafia member could only make the kill if they were within 2 positions away.

(This is mostly a prodge tbh.)
In post 2531, Mewtaph wrote:VOTE: Michael Scott
In post 2602, Mewtaph wrote:VOTE: jjh927
This is his D2 ISO. Temme.
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Post Post #2718 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:54 am

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In post 2711, pinturicchio wrote:@Varsoon did you target someone at N1?
Nah JJH basically nailed my role.
I had to spend a night rooting into a place in the playerlist and then I could kill a ground-based player.

UNVOTE:
Wanted to see how you'd respond
Still would be fine with lynching you though.
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Post Post #2719 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:55 am

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In post 2716, pinturicchio wrote:What I mean is: if you, with all that info you had, were sure that Creature was flipping scum, why do you ask someone else if they're sure about him flipping scum.

P-edit: so you weren't that confident?
I was confident given the info I had; but I believe A50 is *better* at reading the slot. The purpose wasn't to begin to re-evaluate because the push was going through anyway, it was to hold A50 to his confidence.
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Post Post #2720 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:56 am

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I honestly have no idea what's what and I think between how I botched D1 and my kill, I'm responsible for the town loss this game when it comes.
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Post Post #2721 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:56 am

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That's fine and all, Varsoon. Help solve the game now!
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Post Post #2722 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:57 am

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I don't know how to.
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Post Post #2723 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:57 am

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FWIW Shoshin and Meph both townread me, so that should say something.
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Post Post #2724 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:00 am

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In post 2722, Varsoon wrote:I don't know how to.
You have a starting point: You felt you were pocketed D1.
Another: Scum were likely on Shoshin.
Another: Dead people's reads.

I feel scum might have stayed off Creature and on JJH if jjh is town, because they'd *know* Creature is town and the Lynch makes the wagon look bad; if jjh is scum I'm not sure.
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