This reads like you know TLK is going to flip SSIn post 5406, mcqueen wrote:if i were scum, i’d just shut up and let tlk get lynched peacefully. Ive made it very clear that i want the ss gone, Nero agreed with me. Take from that what u will, but why would i be voting my partner THEN try to derail it to CD? especially when CD is likely not a realistic lynch candidate today. U really think i could pull something like that off? Me?
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Any player given a Sticky Fruit will be immune to all actions, EXCEPT for killing actions, the night they receive the fruit.
that's from OP about sticky fruit....
cant c+p my confessional but it says i 'give' a modifier, it says the person is informed..
i checked with boon and if i use it, i dont know if it was successful or not - and i dont get another go , so no idea if someone is loud or not-
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defo sticky fruit?In post 5587, The Last Knight wrote:
Hopping on that wagon, ey?In post 5184, DrewVa wrote:
VOTE: TLK
this look right? if anything is wrong please correct the list yourself, and do bold votes in thread so we can actually see wtf is going on -d-
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What do you mean by this and how do you know this?In post 5600, The Last Knight wrote:
Profii didn't pass his fruit because he had plans to pass it to his loyal target. They won't get it until tonight.In post 5272, RCEnigma wrote:
Idk I think he's scum. But like I said BoonBank could be a scum role. So there's a world where a scum stickyfruit vendor won night 1 and passed Profii a fruit night one then passed another night 2.In post 5259, PenguinPower wrote:
Ok...then why has no one else said anything?In post 5258, RCEnigma wrote:Or won a +1 night 1.
It still doesn't explain what happened to Profiis fruit which is why I'm content with thinking TLK is lying.
The original fruit passer gave me the fruit.
I received sticky fruit n1
I gave loyal n1
I attempted to sticky fruit mr(s) loyal N2
But you got it
So I already had the fruit on N2 - how did the original person (who I don’t know) give it to you if they didn’t have it?
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I had a theory which I’ll fully discuss tomorrow in line with PPs wishes
I definitely did not give TLK the fruit so i need to try and work out why scum would send my sticky fruit to someone I scum read
I guess in theory I was open that the fruit should be with loyal dude today
So that means tomorrow the fruit would go to our first IC - cool
So either
Scum!TLK intercepted the sticky fruit ready to inno their pal tomorrow - but they couldn’t anticipate the PP thing so if TLK is scum he’d never openly say he had the sticky fruit because it outs him and ruin the plan as they’re only half way there
So if scum sent my sticky fruit to town!TLK he openly says he actually has the fruit and maybe scum are hoping whoever gets the fruit tomorrow, claims IC status and then my loyal dude goes “hang on” - casting doubt on the IC AND enabling scum to pick out my loyal dude
I think the latter fits better but you all have to trust that I passed the fruit to someone who isn’t TLk - therefore - I’d suggest if we still want to lynch him, I hammer to prove this is all legit as I’ve only got aesetic left to give anyone and that’s a poopy one anyway so it’s chill-
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Obviously it’s a discussion point - I think the pro of me dying is it categorically demonstrates interference in the sticky fruitIn post 5746, DrewVa wrote:
while you are still a bit nullish to me, I'd really prefer Elsa hammer TLK if TLK is getting hammered today -dIn post 5741, profii wrote:I’d suggest if we still want to lynch him, I hammer to prove this is all legit as I’ve only got aesetic left to give anyone and that’s a poopy one anyway so it’s chill
But let’s extrapolate on my plan - if scum wanted TLK to out the sticky fruit and me to go “you shouldn’t have it” then they get a lynch all liars and they know TLK is town so SS is likely true
That gives them 2 kills in 1 day - seems like a good scum idea
I also think the PP was an unexpected counter claim - but the scum have managed to move the sticky fruit without moving the Loud modifier to TLK which is unusual - which is why I think if I die, it clears up that everything is saying is legit
I haven’t really collected all the prizes and stuff but surely Elsa just gets vigged sooner or later - it’s easier?
UNVOTE: TLK
I think he is town and I think PP is town for interfering in a scum plan by accident - if he is scum he lets the TLK lynch roll on I guess-
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we can give it a go but...In post 5754, The Last Knight wrote:Just had a thought about the fruit... Don't you want it back, @Profii?
the point isn't about a scum read on me - the point is that the night action has been interfered with, my death proves that and gives some people involved in this some credibility - I'm assuming no one wants to be aesetic so I can just die i think....In post 5757, Xtoxm wrote:i dont anyones scumreading you profii the deathwish is unnecessary
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I would like to continue my plan because we can pick up some IC dudes but what if we loop the whole thing and the fruit just goes back to you or some other random person? All that we would have achieved is a few more night kills and the realisation that scum are clucking with usIn post 5764, The Last Knight wrote:
I would prefer an Elsa hammer myself. You are one of my favorite town reads. But if you want the fruit back, we might need to wait a day for my lynch. I'm down to get lynched but it seems like your plan has only been delayed and not completely halted. You can still give the fruit to your loyal target if you get it back.In post 5759, profii wrote:
we can give it a go but...In post 5754, The Last Knight wrote:Just had a thought about the fruit... Don't you want it back, @Profii?
the point isn't about a scum read on me - the point is that the night action has been interfered with, my death proves that and gives some people involved in this some credibility - I'm assuming no one wants to be aesetic so I can just die i think....In post 5757, Xtoxm wrote:i dont anyones scumreading you profii the deathwish is unnecessary
as i said - it's a discussion point, from where i sit, it seems logical but if people think removing someone like Elsa is a better move then that's ok - maybe i can get vigged later.
So, if people want me to give the fruit back to Profii, then we need to wait until tomorrow to lynch me. This could also bait a NK on me and give some security to town if I survive the day. But yeah, I'm down to die today or tomorrow if that isn't the concensus.
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I don't think there would be 2 sticky fruit vendors as they are boon bank roles.In post 5800, mcqueen wrote:
after reading profii’s recent posts it seems more likely there be 2 fruits (so a lone 2-shot scum SFV).In post 5797, Nero Cain wrote:I thought the scenario we were discussing is that scum redirected profii's fruit. There's a second fruit vendor?
I think the natural thought process is
1. I am messing with you about my loyal/fruit plan and I'm actually just scum - I just got lucky by using the fruit to block PP. We don't want the loyal person to claim so it's better I flip tbh.
Or
2. scum have a way of messing with the fruit somehow (I can't explain)
Unless 1 boon bank role doesn't mean 1, it means 1 type of these roles can be on multiple slots in this game, but I am not sure how well that fits boons ethos of keeping things relatively normal. My opinion - 1 sticky fruit.
Also - the person I actually gave the loyal modifier to did breadcrumb something (I believe) and they haven't indicated they have a sticky fruit which goes someway to poo poo the idea that 2 sticky fruit exist - I'll caveat with the breadcrumb was very loose so I could be looking for something that isn't there... I'm optimistic.
So we knew I had a sticky fruit and we know that scum managed to make it go somewhere else - that suggests they did something to me rather than TLK, as TLK has claimed a role that doesn't do anything at night. That's a concern as it's a nifty power role in scums hands I guess.
I also believe the reason TLK is involved is because of his SS claim - scum want the 'double kill' so they have framed him - So if we do lynch TLK then it'll be interesting to see what happens to the hammer in this hidden voting thing but whatever probably better to just let that go for now.
Anyway, then we have PP, he 'coincidently' gifted something to the person involved in what appears to be scum framing. So let's play out PP drawing out a TLK mis claim on purpose - this means TLK is town. So we flip him, this then means we go nuts at PP which if he is scum means they've just traded off 2(if you consider SS kill) for 1. So that means scum have lost 1 of their 5 and they are happy to lose another for 2 town.
that puts the game at 3v13 tomorrow - I think that is ambitious or scum know the game is very scum sided...
So the other way of looking at it - the coincidence is just a coincidence, scum didn't intend for this plan to come out in this way. That means, the sticky fruit went to TLK and 1 of 2 things happen:
TLK expects the sticky fruit to have been sent to the loyal person, but it went to him - so he should come out and say profii wtf have you done here I'm not loyal, that means I get lynched - you all see my loyal/town plan thing was legit and TLK has been framed, that means the TLK lynch and SS kill is off the table which is bad for scum but maybe they are hoping I say something like "you need to know that so and so was the loyal dude" so they can kill him.
or if TLK said nothing, which I wouldn't expect, then tomorrow a random person goes "I got a fruit, I've just been IC'd, here profii, do it again" at which point there _should_ be someone loyal who says "well it didn't come from me so it's false" and that person should have been advocating for my lynch today, at least pre PP asking about the gift.
None of these plans make me think "yes that's the one here" so there is a PR at play which I can't put my finger on tbh. I don't know but I don't want to lynch TLK and probably not PP today. I'd put myself before either of them - you get 2 people with massive town equity, save the identify of the loyal dude for the loss of me when you flip me and find out Me/TLK was legit messed with by scum - that's arguably a policy lynch but worth thinking about - however, given one of the plans was that the counter claim ends in a me lynch, I'm not sure if I'm falling for some kind of trap here.-
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What do you think about PP happening to give a gift to the person scum are meddling with ? do you think coincidence or involvement ? if the latter, what do you think the narrative/scum plan is... I just cant put my finger on it.In post 5819, RCEnigma wrote:So the scum wifom to get 2 kills today is the only one that seems plausible to me. The only way a town PR messes with the sticky fruit is if they hard scumread Profii yesterday AFTER he claimed the fruit.
I know I was hard against Profii day 1 and I had no hand in this. Also I think it's fine for scum to go for the 2 for 1 play if one of them was taking heat day 2 so that the situation goes from just losing 1 partner day 3 into taking a townie down with them.
This could also be a scum assumption based on the end of day votecount where they felt they were outed on the Ramcius Lynch, that one would kind of point me to Dave to be frank.-
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alright chill that kind of makes more sense but I kinda expect a +X charge on a STV to fail, given the nature of the pass it around element to it.
also - no CC or 2nd fruit claim has emerged so...
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I still think on the balance of probability there's a frame job @ TLK due to his SS claim, the events unfolding makes PP probable town too - with the scum lynch day 1, I don't think they trade 2 for 1 and PP was just mixed up in this by chance - if anything other scum dudes which may have night actions are probably gather info elsewhere for their next move so I don't think 1 of the scum act upon the apparent nominated mislynch of the day.In post 5829, RCEnigma wrote:If there are 2 fruit going around then scum has one and PP outed it by questioning TLK. Which doesn't make sense from Scum!PP.
that's where I'm sitting so I'll need convincing on either of those 2 - Until there is 2 fruit claims in 1 day, I'm going to work on the assumption of 1.-
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How is TLK town and Elsa town ?
If we lynch TLK a lot of people were ok with the Elsa hammer that probably means scum are in there
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The fruit return is one element of the situation that bugs me -In post 5917, UnaBombaH wrote:
I might just be too out of the loop to understand this, but how does it conf.town you, if you "give profii his fruit back"?In post 5781, The Last Knight wrote:Or we could wait a day so that I can give Profii his fruit back. In that case, we could lynch Elsa or BEF today.
I fail to see how scum!TLK couldn't give a fruit to town!profii.
Or Scum!TLK to scum!profii.
Hell, I don't even think profii is scummy, but it could even be town!TLK giving it to scum!profii.
What do we confirm/decide with you giving a fruit to profii tonight?
we know scum can interfere with the fruit so it has essentially lost its value - why offer to give it to me, even if I try to give it to secret loyal dude, scum can stop us - so it's pretty much always going to be a fruitless endeavour from now on ha ha-
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Were all happy to hammer TLKIn post 5992, Something_Smart wrote:If TLK is going to be the lynch I'm fine with hammering him if that's what people want.
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I think we have different working out but both got the same answerIn post 6084, RCEnigma wrote:So I didn't give my thought process on this earlier.
If TLK is town here then he really has the sticky fruit. If TLK has the sticky fruit then it has scum involvement, It's clear to me that town wouldn't redirect the only claimed role with a night action for fun. So if TLK is telling the truth then scum messed with Profiis ability making him town.
If all of that is true I think PP is town, I'm less sure on that but fmpov scum would know TLK had the sticky fruit and was Ascetic so the way that PP came at TLK is weird from a scum perspective trying to "catch" TLK out. Like he didn't know TLK would have the fruit and not some item he tried to fakeclaim.-
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Well I do have more information than you right now.In post 6111, UnaBombaH wrote:Implying too much information..-
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See this scum pings me because scum could already just be sat on TLKIn post 6113, UnaBombaH wrote:And even further - whoever said we can't organize the hammer is talking poop.
If the majority agrees that TLK is the lynch, we tell everyone to get onboard the wagon.
We then tell the hammerer to unvote -> revote so that they end up last on the wagon.
If they refuse to do that -> lynch them.
If they claim to do that, but really didn't -> lynch them the next day. (PLUS THE POTENTIAL BONUS THAT EVEN SCUM DON'T THEN KNOW WHO WAS THE LAST ONE TO VOTE. MIGHT BE ONE OF THEM ANYWAY?)
Anyone leaving the wagon or some other lynch going through -> we again have scummy individuals to cross-examine tomorrow.
Let's make a lynch happen.
or start the move there any time from now because it is HARD WORK to get so many people to agree on a lynch - a majority is hard enough in a normal game, but the ENTIRE PLAYER LIST?
ok I'll tell you what - if you can make that happen, I'll be the last one to vote for TLK before we get the scum "on and off" so the risk of them messing about is mine.
there is no way so many people agree this is a good idea
All it takes is a scum goon to offer to hammer, not hammer, boom, they get a mislynch and a random super saint miskill (so lets say me if I do that plan above)
then they night kill
ok we get 1 obvious scum, but after that, another night kill...
plus that's 2 opportunities for them to do whatever they did with the sticky fruit and mess around with our night actions so it's not like things are going to suddenly become clear after all these game phases.
so yes I am considering TLK very highly in my town list and yes I do have more information than you because I know about the sticky fruit and can trust the PM more than you can trust me so I'm comfortable with that.-
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i think we have a good scummy slot in S_S but we are pretty much policy lynching TLK on the back of the claim.
let's say S_S is scum, we trade 1 for 1, day lynch for night kill.
let's say TLK is town, we trade 1 scum lynch for a town lynch and 3 town kills as scum will never play our hammer game in this setup... ever!
so if we go for S_S or not, it seems much much more sensible to go for the scummiest slot than mess about with TLK for now i think.-
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I claimed inventorIn post 6133, Thanos wrote:Oh Profii claimed just Fruit Vendor and not SFV?
Right, seems good. Why is PP town?
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I made someone (secret) loyal on N1 and also received the sticky fruit
I then figured if I gave (secret) the sticky fruit, the loyal factor might be a good combo (I thought Secret breadcrumbed a Pr so it was the plan anyway)
Then the sticky fruit ended up with TLK N2 and I confirm TLK is not (secret)
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Hadn’t really considered that Scum might be fruit stealing to pass the aesetic around themselves
That would mean TLK capitulated at PPs enquiry and it was already public info that I would pass fruit to the loyal dude so in theory if the claim wasn’t true then TLK would know he is not the loyal dude and he would be caught lying
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Easiest way to work with this is if someone else has done it and can verifyIn post 6258, DrewVa wrote:
It definitely should.In post 6254, Thanos wrote:In post 6243, Elsa Jay wrote:I unvoted and voted again like you told me too, but sadly a fatal error was made because I unvoted and revoted in the same post: it cancelled each other out and didn't count as a new vote.@mod, if I unvote and vote in the same post, does the timestamp change?
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Had a thoughtIn post 6250, Elsa Jay wrote:Well a Jailkeeper would definitely do that.
How elsa do you explain no kill with both a vig and maf shot? Clearly scum went for me as well.
Would someone cheat death in jail
Or would there just be no kill
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In post 6272, Elsa Jay wrote:Some BOONus dude just made me Weak as well as gave me a plus 1 charge. Somethings up here.
BOONus winners, someone just gave their shit to me.
Wait I made someone loudIn post 6273, DrewVa wrote:
How would you know if you were shot twice?In post 6234, Elsa Jay wrote:
I lived, bitches. Both from the mafia AND the vigilante shot. Somehow.
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I tried to post earlier but I think it failed- I gave Una the Ascetic thing because I figured he was some kind of loud/semi claimed dude and I figured we could prove his role via other means, thus reducing the wifom of someone else making a claim and potentially failed results on that slot or whatever
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a what? I don't think so? I played a night game thing if that's what you mean
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hang on - we've had a sticky fruit vendor and now a bunyip and I'm a variant - does this all still fit?In post 6363, RCEnigma wrote:In addition, I'm a bunyip.-
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when was this because I don't see it and I'll double check with Boon...In post 6531, Something_Smart wrote:I gave neighborizer to profii-
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I am not clear what night this was supposed to have happened - wondering if it’s something to do with sticky gate
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Excuse me as I'm a little bit confused but is this a fair summary:
S_S =
rolecop
N1 - no action
N2 - Elsa = "traitor" - also, S_S Received a disloyal / +1 charge
N3 - Xtoxm = "no result" therefore, Xtoxm == alignment of S_S (as we don't know either alignment, if I'm playing devils advocate)
So - I'm a bit confused - In my role, I specifically asked about the timing of giving the modifiers - I gave my loyal out N1 to try and create a cop, similar to S_S claim here - but I was specifically told by boon, the receiving party would be informed about their modification at the next day start, so they couldn't actually cop anyone until N2, the night after...
If we apply the same logic to the S_S claim, I don't think S_S actually copped Elsa by merit of getting a result, he is just saying the role traitor = scum
So then the Xtoxm bit is essentially irrelevant to the ongoing Elsa Vs S_S thing we have, and we will deal with that later after 1 of these 2 flip I would suggest
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Would I be correct in saying that a disloyal check on a miller would also provide the same result as on a traitor or not?In post 6792, RCEnigma wrote:For SS to fake traitor and both Dave and creature to claim disloyal checks on Elsa would have to come from 4 scum in a situation that's SvS to begin with so I don't...think that's the case?-
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doesn't matter anyway, I'm still distrusting the disloyal aspect but S_S did clarify he just rolecop'd and got traitorIn post 6817, PenguinPower wrote:
No. Miller is town-aligned. Traitor is scum-aligned.In post 6813, profii wrote:
Would I be correct in saying that a disloyal check on a miller would also provide the same result as on a traitor or not?In post 6792, RCEnigma wrote:For SS to fake traitor and both Dave and creature to claim disloyal checks on Elsa would have to come from 4 scum in a situation that's SvS to begin with so I don't...think that's the case?
Millers are Town-only.In post 6814, RCEnigma wrote:I don't know what Miller's wincon is.
I was thinking if S_S disloyal'd a miller, would he get "no result" inferring a town role was guilty - but A) that's mod specific and B) it didn't happen anyway, so I'll just forget about it!-
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S_S wasn't disloyal when he looked at our miller claim elsa, so it's kinda irrelevant.In post 6820, Jingle wrote:Again, it depends on Boon. He could have made millers trigger weak/loyal/disloyal. It depends on how it's worded given we're in the theme queue.-
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In our game it was me / Nero / gamma
Nero claimed p much straight away and no one has come back saying he fibbed to win in any game that I remember so I trusted him
Gamma was pretty inactive so didn’t hammer right TIL near the end so I guess that’s why the neighbourizor thing came to me late
The prizes I got to choose were
Ninja
Macho
Charge transfer
Multi tasking
I tried to charge transfer Nero but I would assume it failed as the description say I transfer my charges and I don’t think I have any as part of my role but correct me if I’m wrong
The rest seemed too risky or pointless if I hit scum/non-pr etc so I just hoped for the best :-/-
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