Mini 2056: Ballroom Blitz (Game Over)

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I claim 13 shot daycop with being able to use as many shots as possible :3 but I won't say the exact details

I don't know anyone here well enough to insta-dance someone ;_;

Sad

awww i feel bad for you now

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Beyond our limits break

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Let's... get... dangerous!

VOTE: Eragon

2 d4ng3r0u5 4 my 54f1y

A nice rebuttal. My counter is (Insert Numbers)

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ninjaed by a bunch 0f p0sts


irdk, as I said bef0re, I d0n't have a I0t 0f experience with gambits
I disIike them in generaI, but I d0 reaIize that there are a I0t 0f pIayers, especiaIIy the newer 0nes, wh0 "think they can perf0rm them succesfuIIy"

fr0m what I've seen, it tends t0 disappear with experience and with,,, uh,,, the am0unt 0f th0ught and eff0rt a pIayer puts in their p0sts
Iike, it's kinda c0nnected t0 what I said bef0re, the m0re eff0rt y0u generaIIy put int0 y0ur p0sts, the easier it is f0r y0u t0 pr0gress the game in a "safe" way with0ut having t0 risk getting y0urseIf Iynched

M0ment seems Iike a p c0ntributive pIayer and d0es have quite a few games 0n this acc0unt, which is kinda thr0wing me 0ff
and them having en0ugh WIM t0 think 0f a pIan Iike that, whiIe n0t having en0ugh WIM t0 taIk t0 any0ne feeIs weird as weII
they might have th0ught 0f it bef0re the game started th0ugh, s0 idek if I sh0uId seri0usIy get int0 it

It is p0ssibIe that they did Iie ab0ut the idea, but then again, I'm n0t sure if it's that bad either
I guess it sh0uId be? but tbf when I started pIaying I did tend t0 Iie in my p0sts quite a bit, regarding Iike, pushes and game ideas and making my p0sts I00k s0 much m0re impressive than they actuaIIy were
I think I m0stIy g0t 0ver it, but I aIs0 think I might have n0ticed a few 0ther pIayers d0ing stuff that was reaIIy simiIar :/ Iike teIIing th0se IittIe, white Iies, that d0n't reaIIy make sense and make their read pr0gressi0n I00k siIIy

but it's n0t even be that c0mm0n, I think,,,
th0se were just a few pIayers


tbh just f0rget ab0ut it I am reaIIy getting frustrated whiIe thinking ab0ut that, cuz whiIe the p0st d0es I00k Iike it might be heIpfuI, it's s0 freaking ann0ying t0 anaIyze
just d0n't ask me ab0ut it
I'm pr0b g0nna pretend it never existed, cuz it pr0b w0uIdn't have given me a Iasting read anyways
s0rry

1) holy god i can barely read any of this
2) i think gambits can have their place if not overdone and done correctly.
3)i agree with basically everything here.

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. NicoRobin
2. CheekyTeeky
3. Kokichi Oma
4. Moment
5. AP
6. EeveeLution Army
7. TheGoldenParadox
8. redtea
9. Aronis
10. LabRat01
11. mcqueen
12. Eragon
13. Darkwing Duck

I'll take the playerlist as an example.
Imagine that the top is the towniest and bottom is scummiest

Darkwing gets lynched, no lover

Nico pairs with me (1 and 12)
Cheeky pairs with mcqueen (2 and 11)

etc... etc...

This could go very poorly but the concept seems good.
Wouldnt it be more logical for it to be like
1+9 4+12. 2+10 5+8
Or smth? Since the scummiest players arent always scum.

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I expect people who seem like they're friends to defend each other. Apart from that I'm undecided as to Labrat, both individually and in relation to Eragon. I suppose I will say that I expect the situation of Labrat bringing up my vote and Eragon agreeing more often points to Lab town and Eragon scum than anything else.

I like that you followed up on me, but I don't believe it's particularly AI.

I don't think people should defend each other just because they are friends or have history in games, but I don't feel that's the case here anyway.
What makes it a T/S situation with Elagon and Rat rather than a S/S?
I agree that it looks more poor than not with Elagon, but that's because of the way it was dealt with imo. Purely bringing up the reason that your vote was bad after someone else isn't directly scummy.

Sometimes you get a subconcious bias towards people you know well. Tbh i have that problem sometimes.
Follow up on rest in a few.

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I can’t say that my read is a str0ng 0ne 0r anything, but as f0r n0w I reaIIy w0uIdn’t mind a wag0n f0rming there

So would you be for the current wagon ending to go to Moment?

h0nestIy? yeah

I d0n't see any reas0ns f0r wag0ning erag0n and my wag0n at Ieast has a sIight bit 0f reas0ning behind it

Hmm. Honestly the more im reading the two interactions. I immediately am thinking their both town. Though of the two maybe rat is slightly scummier.

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Wouldnt it be more logical for it to be like
1+9 4+12. 2+10 5+8

The matches were just examples.
I think it was meant that the pairing would have a different system but the main key of it is that the lynch is left solo.
So if you felt I was second most scumm and Duck was most town then we would pair.

This would then give town control to a degree of where Scum go at night.

Hmm. Wouldnt we want to lynch the scummiest/next scummiest player. Though im assuming thats the point you're making. Towniest + scummiest can screw us over if both are town and nk. Cause we are left w/o our strongest town and our highest potential lynch

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161 addressing post 130 cause I missed it the first time, when I was making the posts it was still basically SoD and I was just in that “meme mode.” I addressed the vote with “Another one bites the dust” and just like moved on. When I woke up I was re-reading the thread and agreed with labrat. So yes, I did acknowledge the vote before, and didn’t call it out right away, but that was just my state of mind Day Start/Next day.
175 I mean, its kinda the obvious explanation? They aren’t really gonna like, come out and say “oh yeah I naked voted because I wanted to act like I was doing something progressive” are they? I still think the vote was slightly awkward, but overall the explanation is NAI just because its the obvious one from either alignment.
180e*r*agon
198 I think the anger is towny here
200 for one, half of these aren’t even spam, maybe more. For two, do you have anything you actually want to add or did you just feel like quoting lab rat’s ISO and saying he’s spamming?
204Try getting up at 5:30 every weekday to get to school on time
205 then what were the quotes for? Especially given as they are all from labrat?
208 but if scum decided to kill like, the towniest players, for example, they also have to kill the “scummiest” players. The “scummiest” players are the ones likely to get mislynched if they are town, so that forces scum to either kill mislynch targets or leave the “towniest” people alive.
209 same
210literally this
211Why do you think that rat is scummier than me?
212 No, because then if the “scummiest” person is town, they are a likely mislynch, which is a lot worse than them dying at night.
213 That could work too, especially as days are shorter so its harder to have strong townreads.
214 Duck, was there a reason for re-quoting this vote?

i was thinking if either of you were scum it would be rat. because i felt like you were doing more for town than he was at that moment.i do think youre both town. just

if

one of you is scum it would more than likely be him

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im trying to figure out good applications for the dance system.

Option 1:

Spoiler: scum with scum and town alone

We force the scummiest players in the game to dance with another scummy player, so if we decided to lynch we can get 2 birds with 1 stone, or get them killed at night if there would be any town killing roles.
The towniest players wouldn't dance with anyone, to prevent other people from dying if they are killed. I have another option for this but will be option 2.

Basically this option increases the kill potential for town, and could solve the game faster and kill more scum

im not a

huge

fan of this option because i feel it could go wrong too easily

Option 2:

Spoiler: scum with town

The towniest players in the game dance with the scummiest players in the game, on some sort of like list thingy. We can choose to lynch the scummiest player, and then the towniest player dances with the second scummiest player, and so on and so forth.
So if scum want to kill the towny players, they either have to get rid of mislynch opportunities or sacrifice scum

Basically this option is good for PoE. It preserves the life of the towniest players by making it risky for scum to kill them, and later-game we will have townier players alive to help solve

I like this option a lot better
Option 3:

Spoiler: Dance willy-nilly

Literally just for fun and say "F*** you* to the game

this option is for fun and being able to have PT's with people you like

its ok

D0es any0ne have any th0ughts ab0ut m0ment’s expIanati0n 0n their v0te 0n erag0n?
Iike, it sh0uId be AI in s0me way, but I d0n’t have a I0t 0f experience with gambits and thinking ab0ut it makes me g0 in circIes

first is one of eragons town posts. second is a meher post but overall both have alot of townie posts. rat just has less of them.

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I hard claim some kind of Innocent Child/Mason combination. I would rather not go into the conditions and restrictions though.

Spoiler:

If you dont believe me- allow me to prove my townieness by getting this pagetop!

Btw, rather earIy on, but I kinda Iiked Aronis’s tone in his first posts

Why?

VOTE: mcqueen i know you were on a vla but whats your status on the game right now?

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Scum confirmed.

Who? Where? Why?

^^ @Vedith ^^

second part of last post applies to you too.

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Was there a relevance to quoting the posts?
Its something that can be seen already and half of the posts quoted weren't even spam posts.

I apologize - the quoting was unintentional - I quoted them and then forgot to unquote.

give us something to work with people.i know im not the most active but im trying lol

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Mastina might extend day 1 with the replacement of NicoRobin

She will not, read the setup rules

Nico is also active elsewhere on site so it could actually be she did not like this role pm. I dont think nico flaking is that consistent of a scumtell but if we could just start lynching bottom to top of activity

VOTE: nicorobin

if shes flaking idt lynching would increase the likelihood of her talking before the sub.though we also dont have time to wait for a sub.what an annoying pickle. ill stay on mine and see if we can divide and get words out of people and still get a lynch at deadline.

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Aronis Jan 29, 06:05am Jan 31, 03:47pm 1 day 7 hours 9
AP Jan 29, 04:39am Feb 01, 03:49pm 0 days 6 hours 7
mcqueen Jan 29, 10:52am Feb 01, 11:28am 0 days 11 hours 5
TheGoldenParadox Jan 30, 07:11pm Jan 31, 05:59pm 1 day 4 hours 3
BulletNLynchproof Jan 29, 12:47am Feb 01, 04:55am 0 days 17 hours 2
Kokichi Oma Jan 30, 05:29pm Jan 31, 02:43pm 1 day 8 hours 2
redtea Jan 30, 09:37am Jan 31, 09:06pm 1 day 1 hour 2
NicoRobin Jan 29, 06:22am Jan 29, 06:22am 3 days 16 hours 1

we got like barely more than a day left

and right now I will lynch literally any of these people

I know I'm supposed to have preferences but this is a fucking blitz game and people are not blitzing

you included the co-mod by accident. ive almost done that before

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Okay, great. I can't understand what's going on in the game right now. The posts are barely readable. That being said, I went through Lab's ISO, and all of it strikes me as someone who isn't really doing anything to help the gamestate, but trying very hard to look like he is. I'll make a case in a bit, but for now VOTE: LabRat01.
I don't see anybody trying to develop a consensus on the dance mechanic, but people should be dancing as much as possible. We need those PTs.

You must have missed the part about people bbecoming lovers

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VOTE: red
actuaIIy, I kinda agree with duck’s case
The the0ry Red made in that I0ng-ish p0st d0esn’t seem beIievabIe 0r dependabIe in any way, s0 them taking the time t0 write it feeIs uh,,,
maybe n0t weird, but it d0es give the feeIing 0f “empty c0ntributi0n” and wanting t0 “appear t0wnie” with0ut actuaIIy scum-hunting
The rest 0f the p0st is rather useIess as weII

That’s a meh read, but I’m 0k with sheeping it rn :/ d0n’t have anything better t0 f0cus 0n anyways

I cant really add much more since he hasnt been that active. Though yeah from what he does have its a scumlean over neutrality.

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Mastina might extend day 1 with the replacement of NicoRobin

She will not, read the setup rules

Nico is also active elsewhere on site so it could actually be she did not like this role pm. I dont think nico flaking is that consistent of a scumtell but if we could just start lynching bottom to top of activity

VOTE: nicorobin

if shes flaking idt lynching would increase the likelihood of her talking before the sub.though we also dont have time to wait for a sub.what an annoying pickle. ill stay on mine and see if we can divide and get words out of people and still get a lynch at deadline.

I didn’t reaIIy Iike the Iast sentence, feeIs kinda weird in this gamestate
And perhaps sIightIy Iamist

D0 y0u have any th0ughts ab0ut the active pIayers besides me and erag0n? Iike, any actuaI reads? And what d0 y0u think 0f the push 0n red?

Ig the last sentence comes from the mentality of my normal site. I didnt think it would be that bad

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I just realised it's plurality lynches.

Ye plur is smth im used to. It was part of my divide and conquer statement earlier.

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@Vedith: You're starting to get on my nerves. I will be wise just bc I "think" you're town still.

@LabRat: Who are your top 3 scum reads?

In fact, NVM.

Dance with GoldenParadox

Why golden over really anyone else?

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FTR: There are currently FIVE players who have posted less than me so far. I don't even get why Nico isn't included in your "could lynch this", but whatever. What's done is done.

Previous question still stands.

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page 5- pretty sure everyone on that page is town. Vedith, Eragon, and LabRat. However, I could also see LabRat as tryharding scum.

Why are they town to you?

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VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Idk how to explain this well. But rejecting a dance in the future could hurt town. Scum possibly doing it to stop a lynch on a fellow scum or to prevent too many lovers.
Today im unsure if either are being goldens rejection. But i think this is better than AP.

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Well what does that leave you to conclude moment? Do you want to do a d1 no lynch?

NO! I demand that we get a lynch through. I don't care if it's turns out to be me, but a lynch under these circumstances will be most beneficial for the town.

This oozes town to me tbh. Given the situation before the dance.

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Town- Rat/ Eragon
Townlean- AP / moment
Null- mcqueen / duck / golden / venith
Scum(lean)- aronis / slaxx

Others either Dont have enough for a good read or also null but a meh null.

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STOP VOTING ME

Vote no lynch if you have to but don't vote me. As this game is plularity I have to claim.
I AM THE DANCEMASTER. I CAN READ ALL DANCE PTS and HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHUT ONE DOWN DURING THE COURSE OF THE GAME. You can debate about this tomorrow, but TODAY it makes literally no sense to lynch a powerful town pr, ESPECIALLY considering the fact that if this role was given to scum it would be the most powerful ever. You can verify my claim when a pt is created. DON'T lynch me. I know I might get NKed, but it's better than a basically inno child getting lynched. Also the reason I reejcted the dance offer.

im at a standstill for this.
it seems more useful for scum than town.
its not even really good for town since if scum is scummy in the pt than the neighbour would mention it.
but why would you want to shut a pt down as town if its not a scum pt?

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But it doesn't mean they have it. It also makes TGP 100% useless as a town power and even anti town.

That’s why I think that was a slip and that McQueen is scum

Very plausible on a slip. I would arugue it's more NAI as it could easily be assumed but I don't like the catch up as promised. It was more or less liked to get the catch up promised and even then it was questions with no follow up or progression .
I'll post with details once on PC.

it could be assumed they have one if its supposed scumsided. though it does feel like a wifom titanic

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And actually, the mafia might indeed not have a chat

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it’s not listed in there, so either there is none, or the mod didn’t include it on purpose
(which I personally haven’t seen anone do yet, but again, I have veeeeery little experience with closed games, so idk)

lol it would be rather fun if the mafia didn't have a chat

etc. could be a way to hint at it idk. this convo isnt gonna get us anywhere until we have a flip. though its possible scum has some variant of an encryptor.
i have alot of cs experience cause i make a ton of them.

i could theory for a while but it would end up wifom if you wanna hear it....

for mcqueen i do feel like hes being either annoying town. or flat out scum. could he answer once question though.


why do you feel like you have to defend yourself? i can guess why but i want your opinion. next post ill give a log

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If scum has a PT at all, which is pretty much standard, then it remains open at all times.

I’m not sure why you don’t understand this?

The point made was that you are saying there is a scum PT, not if on the original post.
Personally I think it's nothing to worry about it.

Whoever said that is reaching for towncred really hard, jumping on a dude who’s clearly not a townread of many about how it isn’t explicitly stated there is a scum PT. Like who even assumes there might not be?

Was it Eragon? Yeah, he’s probably scum.

psure this was the one. idk how experienced you are.

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SP

RIP my dance with slaxx

RIP my dance with labby b/c he's V/LA until deadline

so uhhh

Eeevee wanna dance?

uh sure idm friend. should you or i start?

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What's your read on Eevee and why Eragon?

They randomly placed me into their scum reads after DD and I 1v1, it was not a good look.

I just soulmeld them and think it would be fun to be in a PT

:shrug:


I think their tone is p.towny but overall its just gut

aww thats sweet ^.^

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accept

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Kokichi would you say you're having fun so far this game?

this is relevant because?

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Prob last post before crossing the border

@mod, sure xd

Eeevee wanna dance?

uh sure idm friend. should you or i start?

Tbh I'm not a fan of that reaction
You agreed rather quickly, aren't you afraid it'll only get both of you killed? You don't seem like the type who'd actually benefit a lot from having a chat
Or does it mean you have a scumlean on eragon?


@Kokichi, what do you think of dancing with either aronis or redtea? Do you have any sort of read on them?
And if you've read the thread, vote where you want to lynch please

I mean im just nice like that. Besides eragon had a personality that felt like hed benefit from one. And my role isnt that interesting so

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this is relevant because?

It kinda wasn't, just the first question that popped into my head. I basically just was hoping to keep kokichi talking for more than 6 minutes while he was around, tbh

Was just curious how youd answer. I think this is acceptable

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whyd this slow down so much ?

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Is Aronis still playing?

i have no idea.

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Here are my more solid opinions.

Spoiler:

Town
Labrat goes without saying.
AP is just here to have a good time but it's not happening. In a more active game he'd probably be making himself more useful.

Neutral-Town
Darkwing's MO looks to be provoking people for reads. Just that sort of scumhunting, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Neutral-Scum
Eeveelution and/or (mostly or) Eragon
Should be more concerned of being a target of scum. Eragon didn't make the dance offer right away. He suggested it, then they took the time to decide who should initiate. If they don't scum read each other, why would they dance and make themselves a target for scum? Why didn't they think about it more, or consult the rest of the players?
Is one of them sure they won't be killed? The only way it makes sense otherwise is if one of them strongly suspects Slaxx/Mcqueen is PR and is trying to draw the NK away.
Eevee of course is a little more suspicious here for not even being wary of offer.

I also still stand by the "one of the more active posters is scum" thing. The general reads do seem to be skewed towards lurkers (including mine), negatively, so I wonder if attention is being diverted from elsewhere. But that sounds like a D3 conversation.

And why do you think aronis is lazy town rather than lazy scum? And if you were to get lynched, who would you dance with?

Well, now he's trying a little more. So once again, I don't know what to make of him. Whether it's just not knowing what to do about the game or he's now posting out of scum-obligation. If I tried to dance with him he would probably reject it, but that's not a reason not to.
If I were to get lynched, I'd dance with one of my (kind of) scum reads (both of which are unavailable until tomorrow) at least to try to draw something out. So failing that, probably Moment, though I'd almost certainly lose the duel.
Dancing with Aronis in that situation might as well be a scum claim.

@Aronis
You are many people's scum read, and neither I nor Koki are especially high on people's lists. Those reads

are

the arguments I think.

Now Slaxx might clarify his post?

my question is if you are getting lynched anyway and your scumread is town. wouldnt it be suicide to accept it? and not inherently AI?

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well bah
I wanted to do this in the middle of the day because bah
thanks guys for lynching me after claiming really appreciate it

i forgot bah posts were allowed here

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Do we want to extend the day by 24 hours in the hopes that people come in and start posting(myself included)?

Hit submit too soon

Or would that just prolong the agony and make us lose more WIM?

tbh would it be better to just get this day overwith and hope a fresh day revigors people?

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ack i hate extends so much. the people who voted extend ( wasting the only one we have all game ) better explain. especially in a really lackluster gamestate

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is it nl on ties ? i thought traditional plur was first to reach x number of lynches was killed?
unless the number was from a higher one
like 2 - 1 into 2 - 2 meant A died
but 2-3 into 2-2 meant B died?

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ack i hate extends so much. the people who voted extend ( wasting the only one we have all game ) better explain. especially in a really lackluster gamestate

I claim scum, I did that to decrease your wim
It worked and I feel fulfilled
Read the freaking game btw, it's not as bad as it was before

This post most prob implies that evee doesn't care about voting nor about the current lynches
That's most definitely not SvS with Aronis
Possibly also not with koki or red, but I wouldn't bet my head on it

Not wanting extends is more a personal thing >.> ive rarely seen extends be useful.

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ack i hate extends so much. the people who voted extend ( wasting the only one we have all game ) better explain. especially in a really lackluster gamestate

I claim scum, I did that to decrease your wim
It worked and I feel fulfilled
Read the freaking game btw, it's not as bad as it was before

This post most prob implies that evee doesn't care about voting nor about the current lynches
That's most definitely not SvS with Aronis
Possibly also not with koki or red, but I wouldn't bet my head on it

Not wanting extends is more a personal thing >.> ive rarely seen extends be useful.

How likely do you think it is for scum to be among koki/aronis/red?
And who would you lynch among them?

You haven't voted nor really attempted to scumhunt since the start of D2, so some effort would be appreciated.

Out of just those three aronis probably? Though i disliked how quick he got votes near the start of the day.

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wait what happens if day ends with a dance proposal but no answer?

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Anyone wanna claim getting matchmakered?

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if we plan on nling i wouldnt suggest massclaiming
if not we can massclaim

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Any reason why mcqueen?

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Any reason why mcqueen?

What do you think about mcqueen?

im not that confident in my read on him anymore. hes starting to lean into a scumminess to me

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@MCQUEEN, IF YOU'RE ONLINE DON'T FCKING HIDE BEHIND SLAXX AND POST IN HERE

Oh, believe me, I'm here. I trust Slaxx to be town, so I'm discussing with him similarly as I would to a Hydra partner.

His vote was bad and I told him so in our PT. When I went to post ITT, he removed it during a pedit, so I didn't submit my post.

I'm struggling to read redtea and so I'm not seeing the need for a lynch as fast as you want it. Can you review your case on her?

why was his vote bad in your eyes?

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Wait, let me bold it

@Red, dance with mcqueen please

You

WILL NOT

avoid getting lynched, so dance before you give him enough time to avoid the lynch by lurking

This shouldn't happen.

I'm fine with just lynching RT now. I know it looks scummy but if I'm alive tomorrow it'll become clear.

VOTE: RedTea

idt this lynch was too bad. numbers wise..a pair up could make it 4v2 going into night right? but if its a double town pair its bad...and even a single town lynch probably isnt the best here. i think nl might be best in this sort of mylo tbh

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Any reason why mcqueen?

WhAT dO yOu ThINk? ^_^

And why not? If you're interested, THEN POST

this was the other post you mentioned right?

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I mean, if LabRat doesn't flip scum here then I -the magnificent Austin Powers himself- will have my chest hair waxed and post it on youtube.

do you still think this?

We're waiting for a bloody miracle, aren't we?

btw. you dont wait for miracles you MAKE miracles.

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Wait, let me bold it

@Red, dance with mcqueen please

You

WILL NOT

avoid getting lynched, so dance before you give him enough time to avoid the lynch by lurking

This shouldn't happen.

I'm fine with just lynching RT now. I know it looks scummy but if I'm alive tomorrow it'll become clear.

VOTE: RedTea

idt this lynch was too bad. numbers wise..a pair up could make it 4v2 going into night right? but if its a double town pair its bad...and even a single town lynch probably isnt the best here. i think nl might be best in this sort of mylo tbh

If everyone's reads are bad enough to pick 2 townies today, then tbh we're screwed anyway

By pairing people up, we choose to lynch 2 scummiest players
And by no-lynching, we lynch 1 scummiest and the scums kill 1 towniest

It's obviously not worth it

yeah i think a pair up gives us best odds tbh we just need one scum today hopefully 2

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im 80% sure its one of AP or redtea tbh based on what im reading.
duck i cant read hydras easily but probably town?

[EeveeLution Army]

I mean, if LabRat doesn't flip scum here then I -the magnificent Austin Powers himself- will have my chest hair waxed and post it on youtube.

Sorry AP, I addressed your post with McQ privately. He can confirm that when he shows up.

The gist of it was no, I don’t think you’re right. I don’t think Lab redirects from Koki onto Aronis. That makes zero sense as a team.

That's not what I said, and that's not what he's doing. He's just trying to either protect himself from a possible Vig shot (by pairing up with red) OR getting an extra kill on red by pairing him with Aronis.

That is it

.

Anyway, I will vote in Aronis/Koki/Lab for the rest of the game (or for as long as I am alive in it).

I DARE SCUM TO COME SHOOT ME

.

VOTE: redtea

For lack of better reads. I have only 2 people I wont be voting, so I could vote any of the other 5

Also, I'm starting to get envious of them flipped slots.

We're waiting for a bloody miracle, aren't we?

all of these are pretty bad tbh

[EeveeLution Army]

Guys, the scum team is Koki, Aronis & LabRat (Yes. He really did well on D1. He's their deep wolf).

Lab

has been pushing on red instead of Aron.

Lab

had faked the VC and insisted his fake version was correct

Lab

states he would want to lynch the other of the two regardless of the flip, thus lining up a red lynch regardless, and -in the case of a red lynch first- he could still bus Aronis for tcr or he could just drop the subject.

Lab

is NOW suggesting to pair up with red after moment claimed he can't shoot paired couples.
As an alternative;

Lab

insists that red dances with Aronis. He wants his buddy going down taking a townie with him.

Lab

stating he is not getting lynched shows an overly confident scum mindset. This was the post that triggered me to reread his posts ever since I last posted.

As for VCA, on D1 Koki was the one obv scumming (making sure the claimed TPR got lynched).
Aronis has parked his vote on me and

Lab

ended up not voting

Today, Aronis is still parking on me & Koki is still scumming it up by nor dancing and not voting, while

Lab

is trying his best to save his buddy Aronis or get him coupled with red to earn that extra kill.

I don't care if I live or die after this point. I have solved the game and I'm fairly confident in it. redtea is TOWN and so is mcqueen.

My vote on Aronis stays, but ifI had any say on it I'd have moment shoot LabRat and prove me right tonight. Koki can (and probably will) be lynched tomorrow any=way).

Thank you

do you still think rat is scum?

[EeveeLution Army]

im 80% sure its one of AP or redtea tbh based on what im reading.
duck i cant read hydras easily but probably town?

Why? Elaborate please?

Spoiler:

I mean, if LabRat doesn't flip scum here then I -the magnificent Austin Powers himself- will have my chest hair waxed and post it on youtube.

Sorry AP, I addressed your post with McQ privately. He can confirm that when he shows up.

The gist of it was no, I don’t think you’re right. I don’t think Lab redirects from Koki onto Aronis. That makes zero sense as a team.

That's not what I said, and that's not what he's doing. He's just trying to either protect himself from a possible Vig shot (by pairing up with red) OR getting an extra kill on red by pairing him with Aronis.

That is it

.

Anyway, I will vote in Aronis/Koki/Lab for the rest of the game (or for as long as I am alive in it).

I DARE SCUM TO COME SHOOT ME

.

VOTE: redtea

For lack of better reads. I have only 2 people I wont be voting, so I could vote any of the other 5

Also, I'm starting to get envious of them flipped slots.

We're waiting for a bloody miracle, aren't we?

all of these are pretty bad tbh

Why? Elaborate please

red is probably the lurker scum. and i kinda dislike how AP went pretty quiet while also wanting a miracle..

also why would he lynch red if his previous posts says rat is scum?

[EeveeLution Army]

Guys, the scum team is Koki, Aronis & LabRat (Yes. He really did well on D1. He's their deep wolf).

Lab

has been pushing on red instead of Aron.

Lab

had faked the VC and insisted his fake version was correct

Lab

states he would want to lynch the other of the two regardless of the flip, thus lining up a red lynch regardless, and -in the case of a red lynch first- he could still bus Aronis for tcr or he could just drop the subject.

Lab

is NOW suggesting to pair up with red after moment claimed he can't shoot paired couples.
As an alternative;

Lab

insists that red dances with Aronis. He wants his buddy going down taking a townie with him.

Lab

stating he is not getting lynched shows an overly confident scum mindset. This was the post that triggered me to reread his posts ever since I last posted.

As for VCA, on D1 Koki was the one obv scumming (making sure the claimed TPR got lynched).
Aronis has parked his vote on me and

Lab

ended up not voting

Today, Aronis is still parking on me & Koki is still scumming it up by nor dancing and not voting, while

Lab

is trying his best to save his buddy Aronis or get him coupled with red to earn that extra kill.

I don't care if I live or die after this point. I have solved the game and I'm fairly confident in it. redtea is TOWN and so is mcqueen.

My vote on Aronis stays, but ifI had any say on it I'd have moment shoot LabRat and prove me right tonight. Koki can (and probably will) be lynched tomorrow any=way).

Thank you

do you still think rat is scum?

Why didn't you react to all of that before?

honestly i forgot AP lol when i was checking isos

[EeveeLution Army]

I'm kinda just at the point that I feel it's a foregone conclusion that RedTea won't bother to dance even if we ask, and if Aronis, RedTea, and Kokichi really is a trinity of obstinate, lazy town, then I'm pretty okay writing this game off as a loss. Marathon weekend is here and maybe I can actually get a player list that wants to play the game somewhere in there.

lgd

hmm. i kinda feel like this is from a townie tbh

[EeveeLution Army]

Are you ok with getting lynched if it helps town in the long run?

if eragon doesnt mind ig?

[EeveeLution Army]

I'm kinda just at the point that I feel it's a foregone conclusion that RedTea won't bother to dance even if we ask, and if Aronis, RedTea, and Kokichi really is a trinity of obstinate, lazy town, then I'm pretty okay writing this game off as a loss. Marathon weekend is here and maybe I can actually get a player list that wants to play the game somewhere in there.

lgd

hmm. i kinda feel like this is from a townie tbh

Why? And how is Duck's post townie and AP's scummy when they're basically doing the same thing?

because AP named a scumread but isnt lynching it and duck thinks there is a chance their town

[EeveeLution Army]

Why weren't you interested in it D2? You WERE reading the thread, because you did respond to some random stuff, but you seemed absolutely disinterested in scumhunting
Tbh you were p apathetic to the lynch d2 as well
Where's the sudden interest coming from now?

-ninjaed

P. Edit:
Why is "red" the lurker scum? She's not the only lurker here (and tbh never was) so why her over anyone else?
And why do you think AP's sudden read change is scummy?

-ninjaed again xd

1) im just trying to be helpful tbh
2)red is the last true lurker arent they?

[EeveeLution Army]

I thought it would be better to ask than not

[EeveeLution Army]

@MCQUEEN, IF YOU'RE ONLINE DON'T FCKING HIDE BEHIND SLAXX AND POST IN HERE

Oh, believe me, I'm here. I trust Slaxx to be town, so I'm discussing with him similarly as I would to a Hydra partner.

His vote was bad and I told him so in our PT. When I went to post ITT, he removed it during a pedit, so I didn't submit my post.

I'm struggling to read redtea and so I'm not seeing the need for a lynch as fast as you want it. Can you review your case on her?

why was his vote bad in your eyes?

it’s an L-1 and scum could potentially hammer at any time to win

oh wow it was at L-1?

[EeveeLution Army]

Votecount 3-3 (23)

redtea - 3 (Darkwing Duck, AP, LabRat01)

Not Voting - 6 (Slaxx, EeveeLution Army, redtea, mcqueen, Eragon)

8

alive;

5

to lynch.
Deadline: Saturday, February 16th, at 6:15 AM PST: (expired on 2019-02-16 10:13:58).

Pending Dance Offers

None.

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modnotes

oh wow youre right it was L-1

[EeveeLution Army]

so we’re in a similar spot as we were yesterday, but with one scum down.

DD I think you’re town, but I’m still picky about your slot so don’t screw it up.

I was planning on reevaluating Lab today, but that’s now redundant because of her flip.

Idk what to think of Evee, and I can’t remember much of Eragon’s play at all.

Still think Slaxx is town, and

I’m leaning AP scum mostly due to PoE

.

Does the bolded even make sense?

which bolded part? psure the second makes perfect sense

[EeveeLution Army]

I mean, I suppose my role has not the greatest utility either, but it's a lot less exploitable

^ this post was because i thought that the game was role-madness, so i wasnt worried about softing PR, because i thought everyone was PR.

My role has no pro-town workings, only for personal reasons.

especially the second ability is just like... absolutely useless??



the first has some workings, such as now, if im going down i can confirm to take a scum down with me

Eevee can confirm that i thought this was role-madness, i told her in the PT, and i claimed PR straight up D2 to her in the PT

confirming. tbh eragon is like my only ultra plus town super lock kek.

[EeveeLution Army]

btw i was gonna mention that ap directed his plan at mcqueen but idk if thats scummy in this

[EeveeLution Army]

i’ll do it in the pt. i have info i’m not willing to out to everyone just yet.

Offer to dance with Eragon

the actual hell lmao. that came so far from left field its in a different sport... unless i missed smth he hasnt replied yet

[EeveeLution Army]

i’ll do it in the pt. i have info i’m not willing to out to everyone just yet.

Offer to dance with Eragon

the actual hell lmao. that came so far from left field its in a different sport... unless i missed smth he hasnt replied yet

once again, but more bluntly: my strategy has been to dance with my townreads, rather than my scumreads. just because that differs from

your

strategy, is/shouldn’t be reason to find me scummy.

did i imply it was the strategy that would even make you scummy in the first place.....?

[EeveeLution Army]

nah, i just assumed. everyone else thinks it’s a bad strategy

i just felt it was a bit sudden

[EeveeLution Army]

You kinda lynched me out of no where with no real reasoning though...?

[EeveeLution Army]

You say its PoE but im not the only one not on your townlist.

[EeveeLution Army]

It's still me, I have appointed myself to deal with how ridiculously mcqueen is scumsiding and see if he's scum or gamethrowing town and also to try and cut Slaxx's obnoxious tunnel in half because sorting those two wins the game

our nicer head will be back later

ama

- Mal

It’s not a tunnel it’s PoE. And BoPing me while I’m still alive on d4 is ignorant. I’ve either fucked this game up or I’m scum.

That question wasn’t directed as a tunnel at you and it wasn’t nonsense.

My logic is that I doubt both scum bussed, I’m town, I have townreads on McQ and Eragon, so my vote should be on Evee. That’s where I’m at right now.

I count three people not on ur list including me. And im unsure if your tr on mcqueen is one of bias cause you have a gc with them. Or if its genuine?

[EeveeLution Army]

You say its PoE but im not the only one not on your townlist.

That’s literally what PoE is.

I don’t think both scum bussed.

So the pool is 0-1 in (Me, Eragon, McQ, Evee)

I have TRs on the two that aren’t you.

Didnt you say you townread mcqueen?. Im confused now >.>

[EeveeLution Army]

You say its PoE but im not the only one not on your townlist.

That’s literally what PoE is.

I don’t think both scum bussed.

So the pool is 0-1 in (Me, Eragon, McQ, Evee)

I have TRs on the two that aren’t you.

Didnt you say you townread mcqueen?. Im confused now >.>

Eragon is town
McQ is town
I am town

I don’t think both scum were on the wagon
Therefore 1 has to be in that pool, if I’m wrong on my reads 2

You’re the 1 I have no reason to townread.

I dont understand what is stopping a double bus though?

[EeveeLution Army]

Its possible with a useless partner? Im not arguing how likely it is.

[EeveeLution Army]

VOTE: mcqueen
I honestly think this is scum to be honest....this + AP

[EeveeLution Army]

Fucking shit i was sure :[

[EeveeLution Army]

Not bad

[EeveeLution Army]

I really liked this concept.

[EeveeLution Army]

Whats wim btw

[EeveeLution Army]

I really liked this concept.

I mean it's a mastina-generated game, that's usually the case.

My regrets here are mostly in missed opportunities. I lost a GOLDEN opportunity to make the ultimate pun/reference with a NecroDancer role; mcqueen's role is comparatively bland to others in the game; Moment's role is underpowered compared to the other roles in the game. I discussed in the spoilered dead topic a few ideas I had which would've strengthened their roles; I wouldn't implement all of them since that'd bounce the game into being absurdly townsided, but so much as one or two of them implemented would mean the setup wasn't scumsided.

Speaking of which:

@Mastina
I think the setup was fairly balanced. I think if town used it correctly though it could be townsided. I read your post in the spoilers thread and agreed with basically all of what you were saying. If town had been organized, it could have gotten two lynches per day and two pro-town NKs. I even tried to sell that strategy in the thread to try to get a hold of the reins as town leader but either people didn’t trust me or didn’t like the concept of turning it into double day.

Yep, as I pointed out in the spoilered dead topic,

This setup actually doesn’t feel scumsided from this angle. The two lynches are brutal and the mechanic with volunteering to pair is very informative.

For the record, almost responded to this in the mafia PT but decided better of it on the grounds that it could be seen as mod interference, so I'll make a note of it for him to see later, instead.

The

setup

is scumsided. The mechanic was not factored into the town/scum EV of the setup in terms of townsidedness/scumsidedness. By that, I mean, the mechanic was treated as net-neutral. Between Blitz deadlines (which some people SWEAR to as being pro-town), plurality lynches (to ensure the town only no-lynched when choosing to, meaning they don't waste days), and the dance mechanic, it was my hope that these things would serve to counter the scumsidedness of the setup. It was my hope that the mechanics would serve as a balancing factor, to make the setup be more even, more fair.

But I advertised the setup as scumsided because I felt the idea of relying on mechanics as a balancing factor would be unfair on the players--there was simply no way to guarantee that the mechanics were pro-town, and every mechanic I mentioned could just as easily backfire on the town. They can and did plurality lynch a PR; the Blitz deadlines limits time to talk; they can get two town players killed at once, etc.

So he's actually kinda right, in a way. The setup is scumsided, but with proper utilization of mechanics, the game is not. I just felt that calling the game loosely balanced because of mechanics in an otherwise scumsided setup wasn't a fair call to make. Especially not given the swingy-as-fuck nature of said mechanics. The roles for this game are fairly low-swing, and what little swing IS involved mostly favors the scum. The mechanics for this game are some of the most swingy I've ever invented, and I felt uncomfortable saying that they favored the town.

tl;dr version, I feel the

setup

in of itself is scumsided, but with proper utilization of the mechanics it could become balanced, or even potentially favoring the town--and yet, relying on a self-evidently swingy mechanic which would only help the town if properly utilized felt like something I simply couldn't in good conscience use to call the

game

balanced.

So the game was probably balanced or close to, albeit highly swingy; the roles were undeniably favoring the scum.

Hope the players had fun with the game. Running blitzes are hard, even with help. But the punny name/theme was just too good to pass up on.

Id try hosting here but i fear it would go horrible considering im used to quicker games and alot of assistance from a module.

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Whats wim btw

"Want it more"

basically just like... a general feel of the game

if you are apathetic/lazy/bored thats generally "low WIM"

but being energetic and enthusiastic and hyped for the game is "high WIM"

I always love cs based themes. Cause they are the most fun to dissect. XD.

[EeveeLution Army]

I like being scum cause i can be looser. As town im too nervous about scumhunting. xD

[EeveeLution Army]

I like being scum cause i can be looser. As town im too nervous about scumhunting. xD

damn i feel exactly the opposite

Partly cause as scum you can fakeclaim almost anything while as town you're stuck w/ whatever role you might have

[EeveeLution Army]

Okay, thoughts time!

First off, I just want to say I'm sorry to the town. The loss I feel like squarely lands on my shoulders, and while I feel my logical strategy to utilize the mechanics is not entirely worthless, I did misuse and attempt to overuse it.

Sorry to McQ if I made you mad I just was doing my wincon

I'm not mad, I think you played well and did fool me throughout the game. However, when I first offered you to dance, admittedly I don't recall having a strong read on you. I banked on the fact that you just "were" town, and I let that thought process fool me repeatedly throughout the game. It's my fault for not being an active participant earlier on, and while I wasn't intentionally gamethrowing at any point, telling you to dance with me or I'll replace out is cutting it close. I'm sorry for that.

Certain suspicions I had about you, Slaxx:

• You said you were a roleblocker. I've never seen that role as town (solely roleblocker, not jailkeeper).
  
• Your flimsy scumread of DD. I was definitely swayed by their pressure on me, but there were points where I thought they were town and you went back to their scumminess on Day 1. I kind of forget why, because they pushed you for voting no lynch? Whatever the reason, I thought you overplayed it, and you did.
  
• You went absent for a long time Night 3 in our PT, after I told you I'd be there in light of my absence Night 2. You said you were busy, so I played it off, but something just felt off about it.

Otherwise, I messed up asking Eragon to dance in the final day. If any of you read my ability, I was planning to discuss with Eragon who I'd use it on, but notice after I offered a dance to Eragon, I wouldn't have been able to use it that day phase. However, there's a chance Slaxx keeps me alive Night 4 if it came to it? So maybe I'd have gotten lucky there. Anyhow, yeah that was not a good play by me.

I did still have fun, this game really picked my brain without being overly complicated. The mechanics are definitely a breath of fresh air as opposed to regular mafia, and I hope you'll mod something like this again, mastina.

Town rber is a little common where i play. Unsure about here