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Why would you deathtunnel me this early in the game? That's a bizarre statement from you with our most recent history of your earliest reads on me being wrong.In post 89, the worst wrote:N0 cop obviously
I'm not townreading you I was just going to ask you to please keep posting so I don't deathtunnel you-
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That's NAIIn post 194, Dunnstral wrote:Ank coming in here and claiming 8 coin 19 minutes into the game thread being open seems scum motivated. When you've got a tiny little brain it makes sense that you'd wait to see what other people think first, right? Seems like a scum move
I revealed because of my mood, most games as either alignment, I'd be grandstanding about it.-
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I read it as being aggressively useless actuallyIn post 202, the worst wrote:
it pinged me the early interactions with what's her name were pockety but hers were fluffy as well so I kinda binned it as <rand s/s and let it simmerIn post 196, Ankamius wrote:I'm kind of surprised it took this long for an Adel scumread to start appearing, the entrance to the game in of itself was scummy-
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I don't think that's as big an issue as you think it is, actually.In post 208, Allomancer wrote:
Big mistake though. If you're town, now all the scum are gonna buddy you and you're gonna end up picking a scum as your dance partner.In post 198, Ankamius wrote:
That's NAIIn post 194, Dunnstral wrote:Ank coming in here and claiming 8 coin 19 minutes into the game thread being open seems scum motivated. When you've got a tiny little brain it makes sense that you'd wait to see what other people think first, right? Seems like a scum move
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he's also throwing his neck out there for someone who doesn't have much attention on them at all and his interactions with me so far are very town spewingIn post 234, Slaxx wrote:
Being opaque about a weird townread on someone withIn post 231, the worst wrote:he's also spewing a lot of content and if he's wolfing he's gonna become pretty obvious pretty quicksix(not four) posts, and then townreading the guy pressuring him while continuing to obfuscate as if to diffuse the situation?
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is it seriously just because he's lynchbaitIn post 248, Dunnstral wrote:
I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummyIn post 237, Slaxx wrote:In post 235, Dunnstral wrote:
Because he's lynchbaitIn post 189, Slaxx wrote:
Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?In post 182, Dunnstral wrote:People jumping on fb already are probably scummy
I haven't read anything yet
Read the past dance gamesBeing lynchbait doesn't make you immune to scumreads
My fucking god I might as well make it my sig.
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idk if Dunn-scum opens the game with that really weird push on me though?In post 255, Firebringer wrote:
and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.In post 248, Dunnstral wrote:I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummy-
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it's not the kind of thing I'm holding on to too much since I think he's only seen my weak games, but he's seen mastina hype me up enough to have an idea that starting a game by provoking me for two posts and then moving on to other stuff might not be the best ideaIn post 264, the worst wrote:
talk to me about this?In post 263, Ankamius wrote:
idk if Dunn-scum opens the game with that really weird push on me though?In post 255, Firebringer wrote:
and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.In post 248, Dunnstral wrote:I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummy
but it's also been a long time since we played any games together and he doesn't have much reason to even remember me, so it's more a weak baseline for a read than anything-
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so your answer to my question is yes thenIn post 290, Krazy wrote:No one is saying they disagree with the list, just that they don't understand where it comes from.
But so far that looks like the list to me.
Of course I know who adelbert is and he is likely town but doesn't make final 6.-
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whyIn post 304, Dunnstral wrote:Does dying in past games really matter to our current dance game? Yeah, I'd say so-
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The 2-3 dance games I remember reading the endgame of also seemed to have issues with people being too leave-happy, so.In post 316, Allomancer wrote:
They probably do that for a reason.In post 302, Ankamius wrote:Does dying in past dance games really matter though considering that you could end up dead solely because your partner decides you don't get to live anymore-
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I like you more than the other gentlemen that have posted so farIn post 327, Allomancer wrote:Ankamius, care to dance? (not bolding this because I don't wanna risk it yet)
but my reads are also nowhere near strong enough to be comfortable considering pairing up yet-
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then why would you throw it out there before reading at allIn post 332, Dunnstral wrote:In post 320, Ankamius wrote:anyways
back to the core of the issue I'm having with dunn here
if FB is lynchbait, why is hopping on him this early scummy
I said people hopping on him were probably scummy, I hadn't read the thread yet, I saw that the game was open and already had 8 pages before I could tell people not to claim coins and was annoyed,
Then I read the game and yeah, tw was paired with fire but the way he is reading fire's motivations don't fully connect
I didn't mean to imply that anybody who scumread fire was in turn scummy by default
especially about a player you think is lynchbait and therefore is more likely to get votes from players of both alignments?-
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I think you are honestlyIn post 368, Slaxx wrote:okay
I was going to go on about how two people dismissing this argument made me even more paranoid but I have a TR on Ank and a middling read on FB so I probably just need to step away and come back tomorrow, I may be tunnelling.
I have the impression that you sincerely believe what you're saying but that it's not something that needs to be pushed
and I'm also getting the impression that Dunnstral sees it the same way and is responding appropriately-
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I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coinsIn post 373, Celica wrote:Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all
. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.In post 22, Ankamius wrote:Okay
I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game
And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy
So keep that in mind-
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The two I'm referring toIn post 376, Celica wrote:
Can you give more detail on this? Links would be niceIn post 112, Ankamius wrote:Why would you deathtunnel me this early in the game? That's a bizarre statement from you with our most recent history of your earliest reads on me being wrong.
Heroes Wanted -> Replaced into a town slot, the worst was paranoia scumreading me for a good chunk of my time in the game
the second one I'm referring to is a much more recent game offsite where I rolled scum and he was townreading me until he got lynched-
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mmmmmmm, that's pretty far away from the actual truth for either alignmentIn post 379, Celica wrote:
Mostly because I think you wanted to be more appealing to the gentlemen so you get your pick at your partner. I can see the logic in town you having the eight coins and wanting to be careful on who you want as a partner. What I think is the weird part is I see no reason for town you to say that so early because people are obviously going to read you differently now that you've said you have 8 coins. Scum you wouldn't mind that though. So main motivation was to help your partner choice, along with I barely see any reason why you claim that early.In post 375, Ankamius wrote:
I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coinsIn post 373, Celica wrote:Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all
. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.In post 22, Ankamius wrote:Okay
I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game
And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy
So keep that in mind
also, you claim that people will see me differently now that they know I have 8 coins, but why is that necessarily worse for town-me than scum-me?-
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correct.In post 384, Celica wrote:
I haven't watched a lot of anime recently! Also if I was gonna try to truly keep myself hidden wouldn't I just give you an answer that'd throw you offIn post 381, Krazy wrote:You're the only alt I haven't figured out yet of course :p
What's your top 3 favorite anime?
I don't really get your first sentence, are you saying you wouldn't do either situation?In post 382, Ankamius wrote:
mmmmmmm, that's pretty far away from the actual truth for either alignmentIn post 379, Celica wrote:
Mostly because I think you wanted to be more appealing to the gentlemen so you get your pick at your partner. I can see the logic in town you having the eight coins and wanting to be careful on who you want as a partner. What I think is the weird part is I see no reason for town you to say that so early because people are obviously going to read you differently now that you've said you have 8 coins. Scum you wouldn't mind that though. So main motivation was to help your partner choice, along with I barely see any reason why you claim that early.In post 375, Ankamius wrote:
I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coinsIn post 373, Celica wrote:Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all
. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.In post 22, Ankamius wrote:Okay
I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game
And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy
So keep that in mind
also, you claim that people will see me differently now that they know I have 8 coins, but why is that necessarily worse for town-me than scum-me?
It's worse for town you because the reads are less genuine, and people can make the read of 'I want to put ank with this person because they have 8 coins.' Compared to a read where they can't do that if you just kept it hidden. I don't see why town would want that where scum don't really care.
you already read past the part where I explained why I wouldn't need to use my coin count to help me find a partner as town; I'm good enough at obvtowning myself when I try to that it's hard to believe that we would ever reach a situation where I would be without a partner when there's more gentlemen than ladies. Buuuuuut a small part of what went into that decision is knowing that it's entirely possible that I'll be specifically put with someone scummy on purpose and it's a lot less likely now.
as scum, I would just grandstand around it if I was worried about how I was going to be read. I don't see much point in just giving out my biggest advantage when I can milk it instead; I also don't have a strong enough scumgame to be able to reliably deflect that extra attention forever, especially since there are multiple people here that are very likely to look for scumsigns from me from early on since I recently won a scumgame against them... and double especially since as the 'strongest' lady in the setup, I'd naturally have more attention on me just from that fact alone. That kind of play requires a strong scumplayer to pull off and that isn't me
as for your response to the second line, that's exactly what is indicative about it; wouldn't you say that it could provide associatives to look back on later?-
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Depending on the scumteam, this could be gamewinning for themIn post 386, Celica wrote:
You act like however you say yes to being a dance partner with is gonna instant hammer or swing the vote they have around. When in reality if they don't vote who the town mainly agrees on they're most likely going to get lynched. (Well you would be as well, but not the point here)In post 205, Ankamius wrote:Also, I only plan on accepting a gentleman I'm very sure is town so thanks for agreeing with me Dunn-
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this is semanticsIn post 395, Dunnstral wrote:You're not the strongest lady in the setup, you make somebody else the strongest gentlemen. Important distinction.
I'm the strongest lady because I'm the only lady that can literally give another player in the game to lynch whoever the hell they want-
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I more meant this in a "wait I kinda remember hearing xxx might be decent" kind of way than something he specifically remembered; the one time I'm referring to was blatant enough that it might stick out, but it was a good while back and we haven't had... well, really any memorable interactions outside of it that I remember so it's still more likely than not that it didn't stick.In post 398, Celica wrote:
Yeah what you're using as a reason (the bold) is such a specific detail that I doubt dunnstral came in the game and remembered this.In post 273, Ankamius wrote:In post 264, the worst wrote:
talk to me about this?In post 263, Ankamius wrote:
idk if Dunn-scum opens the game with that really weird push on me though?In post 255, Firebringer wrote:
and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.In post 248, Dunnstral wrote:I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummyit's not the kind of thing I'm holding on to too much since I think he's only seen my weak games, but he's seen mastina hype me up enough to have an idea that starting a game by provoking me for two posts and then moving on to other stuff might not be the best idea
but it's also been a long time since we played any games together and he doesn't have much reason to even remember me, so it's more a weak baseline for a read than anything-
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I'm actually lying in bed but thank you for the tip
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Spoiler:
I guess this is more of a playstyle difference than anything
This kind of thing is beneficial to how I get reads longer term, not detrimental; sure scum can try to secure themselves as my dance partner for the votes, but I'm aware enough of that possibility that it's hard to outright push for that without tipping me off-
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Oh and regarding the suiciding being gamewinning:
If there's one other pair that is significantly more competent than the rest of the group, it's plausible for it to be worth it for scum to pair with me just to remove them. Me dying is a bonus since it eliminates the possibility of me sweeping in later when it matters the most and turning the tables on them