Merchant's Daughter [Game Restart!]

[Ankamius]

Good morning everyone

[Ankamius]

Are we planning on strategizing coin amount at all, because I'm going to be very picky with who I accept as a partner thanks to that mechanic

[Ankamius]

Always happy to disappoint, Firebringer

[Ankamius]

You are truly unbelievable, duckling

[Ankamius]

Okay

I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game

And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy

So keep that in mind

[Ankamius]

Read the setup fire

[Ankamius]

I'd still like a read on both of them before predance ends though, Krazy. They're probably the only pairing I'd be able to sync with at all.

That said, I am realizing that I can't read either of them either.

[Ankamius]

Ank

How are you townreading me already?

[Ankamius]

Ank

How are you townreading me already?

N0 cop obviously
I'm not townreading you I was just going to ask you to please keep posting so I don't deathtunnel you

Why would you deathtunnel me this early in the game? That's a bizarre statement from you with our most recent history of your earliest reads on me being wrong.

[Ankamius]

You kinda did that in heroes wanted anyways :S

[Ankamius]

I'm kind of surprised it took this long for an Adel scumread to start appearing, the entrance to the game in of itself was scummy

[Ankamius]

Ank coming in here and claiming 8 coin 19 minutes into the game thread being open seems scum motivated. When you've got a tiny little brain it makes sense that you'd wait to see what other people think first, right? Seems like a scum move

That's NAI

I revealed because of my mood, most games as either alignment, I'd be grandstanding about it.

[Ankamius]

Also, I only plan on accepting a gentleman I'm very sure is town so thanks for agreeing with me Dunn

[Ankamius]

I'm kind of surprised it took this long for an Adel scumread to start appearing, the entrance to the game in of itself was scummy

it pinged me the early interactions with what's her name were pockety but hers were fluffy as well so I kinda binned it as <rand s/s and let it simmer

I read it as being aggressively useless actually

[Ankamius]

Krazy, was there a method behind the specific pairings you suggested?

[Ankamius]

Ank coming in here and claiming 8 coin 19 minutes into the game thread being open seems scum motivated. When you've got a tiny little brain it makes sense that you'd wait to see what other people think first, right? Seems like a scum move

That's NAI

I revealed because of my mood, most games as either alignment, I'd be grandstanding about it.

Big mistake though. If you're town, now all the scum are gonna buddy you and you're gonna end up picking a scum as your dance partner.

I don't think that's as big an issue as you think it is, actually.

[Ankamius]

Allo is probably town

[Ankamius]

he's also spewing a lot of content and if he's wolfing he's gonna become pretty obvious pretty quick

Being opaque about a weird townread on someone with

six

(not four) posts, and then townreading the guy pressuring him while continuing to obfuscate as if to diffuse the situation?

That's not obvious?

he's also throwing his neck out there for someone who doesn't have much attention on them at all and his interactions with me so far are very town spewing

[Ankamius]

like

The only possible way I can see his posts so far as from scum is if he's scumpartners with Dunn

his interactions regarding Dunn and his interactions with me don't mesh from a scum standpoint otherwise

[Ankamius]

I can kinda buy Slaxx as town too

I'm not as convinced by it though

[Ankamius]

People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

I haven't read anything yet

Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?

Because he's lynchbait

Read the past dance games

Being lynchbait doesn't make you immune to scumreads

My fucking god I might as well make it my sig.

I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummy

is it seriously just because he's lynchbait

because that's nonsense reasoning by itself

[Ankamius]

I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummy

and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.

idk if Dunn-scum opens the game with that really weird push on me though?

[Ankamius]

I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummy

and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.

idk if Dunn-scum opens the game with that really weird push on me though?

talk to me about this?

it's not the kind of thing I'm holding on to too much since I think he's only seen my weak games, but he's seen mastina hype me up enough to have an idea that starting a game by provoking me for two posts and then moving on to other stuff might not be the best idea

but it's also been a long time since we played any games together and he doesn't have much reason to even remember me, so it's more a weak baseline for a read than anything

[Ankamius]

and he doesn't have much reason to even remember me

[Ankamius]

282 was a response to dunn

[Ankamius]

No one is saying they disagree with the list, just that they don't understand where it comes from.

But so far that looks like the list to me.

Of course I know who adelbert is and he is likely town but doesn't make final 6.

so your answer to my question is yes then

[Ankamius]

I'm kinda getting the impression that either everybody contentposting right now are town or that there's only one scum in that same list

[Ankamius]

Does dying in past dance games really matter though considering that you could end up dead solely because your partner decides you don't get to live anymore

[Ankamius]

Does dying in past games really matter to our current dance game? Yeah, I'd say so

why

[Ankamius]

Does dying in past dance games really matter though considering that you could end up dead solely because your partner decides you don't get to live anymore

They probably do that for a reason.

The 2-3 dance games I remember reading the endgame of also seemed to have issues with people being too leave-happy, so.

[Ankamius]

anyways

back to the core of the issue I'm having with dunn here

if FB is lynchbait, why is hopping on him this early scummy

[Ankamius]

excuse me fire, you already have a date

that's the kind of line I should be saying instead of you

[Ankamius]

but allo is another gentleman

???

[Ankamius]

Ankamius, care to dance? (not bolding this because I don't wanna risk it yet)

I like you more than the other gentlemen that have posted so far

but my reads are also nowhere near strong enough to be comfortable considering pairing up yet

[Ankamius]

anyways

back to the core of the issue I'm having with dunn here

if FB is lynchbait, why is hopping on him this early scummy

I said people hopping on him were probably scummy, I hadn't read the thread yet, I saw that the game was open and already had 8 pages before I could tell people not to claim coins and was annoyed,

Then I read the game and yeah, tw was paired with fire but the way he is reading fire's motivations don't fully connect

I didn't mean to imply that anybody who scumread fire was in turn scummy by default

then why would you throw it out there before reading at all

especially about a player you think is lynchbait and therefore is more likely to get votes from players of both alignments?

[Ankamius]

I'm liking Slaxx more now

[Ankamius]

this feels very tvt

[Ankamius]

okay

I was going to go on about how two people dismissing this argument made me even more paranoid but I have a TR on Ank and a middling read on FB so I probably just need to step away and come back tomorrow, I may be tunnelling.

I think you are honestly

I have the impression that you sincerely believe what you're saying but that it's not something that needs to be pushed

and I'm also getting the impression that Dunnstral sees it the same way and is responding appropriately

[Ankamius]

Are we planning on strategizing coin amount at all, because I'm going to be very picky with who I accept as a partner thanks to that mechanic

Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all

Okay

I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game

And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy

So keep that in mind

. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.

I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coins

[Ankamius]

Why would you deathtunnel me this early in the game? That's a bizarre statement from you with our most recent history of your earliest reads on me being wrong.

Can you give more detail on this? Links would be nice

The two I'm referring to

Heroes Wanted -> Replaced into a town slot, the worst was paranoia scumreading me for a good chunk of my time in the game
the second one I'm referring to is a much more recent game offsite where I rolled scum and he was townreading me until he got lynched

[Ankamius]

Are we planning on strategizing coin amount at all, because I'm going to be very picky with who I accept as a partner thanks to that mechanic

Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all

Okay

I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game

And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy

So keep that in mind

. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.

I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coins

Mostly because I think you wanted to be more appealing to the gentlemen so you get your pick at your partner. I can see the logic in town you having the eight coins and wanting to be careful on who you want as a partner. What I think is the weird part is I see no reason for town you to say that so early because people are obviously going to read you differently now that you've said you have 8 coins. Scum you wouldn't mind that though. So main motivation was to help your partner choice, along with I barely see any reason why you claim that early.

mmmmmmm, that's pretty far away from the actual truth for either alignment

also, you claim that people will see me differently now that they know I have 8 coins, but why is that necessarily worse for town-me than scum-me?

[Ankamius]

You're the only alt I haven't figured out yet of course :p

What's your top 3 favorite anime?

I haven't watched a lot of anime recently! Also if I was gonna try to truly keep myself hidden wouldn't I just give you an answer that'd throw you off

Are we planning on strategizing coin amount at all, because I'm going to be very picky with who I accept as a partner thanks to that mechanic

Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all

Okay

I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game

And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy

So keep that in mind

. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.

I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coins

Mostly because I think you wanted to be more appealing to the gentlemen so you get your pick at your partner. I can see the logic in town you having the eight coins and wanting to be careful on who you want as a partner. What I think is the weird part is I see no reason for town you to say that so early because people are obviously going to read you differently now that you've said you have 8 coins. Scum you wouldn't mind that though. So main motivation was to help your partner choice, along with I barely see any reason why you claim that early.

mmmmmmm, that's pretty far away from the actual truth for either alignment

also, you claim that people will see me differently now that they know I have 8 coins, but why is that necessarily worse for town-me than scum-me?

I don't really get your first sentence, are you saying you wouldn't do either situation?
It's worse for town you because the reads are less genuine, and people can make the read of 'I want to put ank with this person because they have 8 coins.' Compared to a read where they can't do that if you just kept it hidden. I don't see why town would want that where scum don't really care.

correct.

you already read past the part where I explained why I wouldn't need to use my coin count to help me find a partner as town; I'm good enough at obvtowning myself when I try to that it's hard to believe that we would ever reach a situation where I would be without a partner when there's more gentlemen than ladies. Buuuuuut a small part of what went into that decision is knowing that it's entirely possible that I'll be specifically put with someone scummy on purpose and it's a lot less likely now.

as scum, I would just grandstand around it if I was worried about how I was going to be read. I don't see much point in just giving out my biggest advantage when I can milk it instead; I also don't have a strong enough scumgame to be able to reliably deflect that extra attention forever, especially since there are multiple people here that are very likely to look for scumsigns from me from early on since I recently won a scumgame against them... and double especially since as the 'strongest' lady in the setup, I'd naturally have more attention on me just from that fact alone. That kind of play requires a strong scumplayer to pull off and that isn't me

as for your response to the second line, that's exactly what is indicative about it; wouldn't you say that it could provide associatives to look back on later?

[Ankamius]

Also, I only plan on accepting a gentleman I'm very sure is town so thanks for agreeing with me Dunn

You act like however you say yes to being a dance partner with is gonna instant hammer or swing the vote they have around. When in reality if they don't vote who the town mainly agrees on they're most likely going to get lynched. (Well you would be as well, but not the point here)

Depending on the scumteam, this could be gamewinning for them

[Ankamius]

You're not the strongest lady in the setup, you make somebody else the strongest gentlemen. Important distinction.

this is semantics

I'm the strongest lady because I'm the only lady that can literally give another player in the game to lynch whoever the hell they want

[Ankamius]

I still hold that people jumping on firebringer early are scummy

and you posting that is such a scum u move imo.

idk if Dunn-scum opens the game with that really weird push on me though?

talk to me about this?

it's not the kind of thing I'm holding on to too much since I think he's only seen my weak games, but he's seen mastina hype me up enough to have an idea that starting a game by provoking me for two posts and then moving on to other stuff might not be the best idea

but it's also been a long time since we played any games together and he doesn't have much reason to even remember me, so it's more a weak baseline for a read than anything

Yeah what you're using as a reason (the bold) is such a specific detail that I doubt dunnstral came in the game and remembered this.

I more meant this in a "wait I kinda remember hearing xxx might be decent" kind of way than something he specifically remembered; the one time I'm referring to was blatant enough that it might stick out, but it was a good while back and we haven't had... well, really any memorable interactions outside of it that I remember so it's still more likely than not that it didn't stick.

[Ankamius]

I'll help you by going to bed for the night Alisae

I look forward to having more reads tomorrow

[Ankamius]

Eh

Probably not much tbh

[Ankamius]

I'd like to townread Nancy here, but she has been hoping up her scumgame so much to me since heroes wanted that I can't justify a townread

[Ankamius]

*Hyping

That said, I would appreciate catch up like that to generally avoid the cliff and mostly stay on topic please

[Ankamius]

Ups*
Fluff*

How do you guys use a phone for this and not go insane?

[Ankamius]

Ups*
Fluff*

How do you guys use a phone for this and not go insane?

um miss texting and driving is illegal.

I'm actually lying in bed but thank you for the tip

[Ankamius]

I'm confused by all the Alisae scumreads

It looks like business as usual for em

[Ankamius]

Can we pair clemency and pink ball up and then instalynch them if this is what the rest of the game will be like

[Ankamius]

You would be very surprised

[Ankamius]

I'm not scumreading you

I'm uselessreading you

[Ankamius]

Spoiler:

Celica looks very easy to townread

Stay vigilant everyone, that's how those wily ladies get you

The way your wording this post has me confused. What about my posting makes you think I'm very easy to townread?

You're the only alt I haven't figured out yet of course :p

What's your top 3 favorite anime?

I haven't watched a lot of anime recently! Also if I was gonna try to truly keep myself hidden wouldn't I just give you an answer that'd throw you off

Are we planning on strategizing coin amount at all, because I'm going to be very picky with who I accept as a partner thanks to that mechanic

Exactly why we shouldn't claim our coins. I don't think coin count should go into who we partner. I've spectated a few of these and I think a lot of the most telling interactions are pre-dance. I can see some gents/ladies wanting to put a pair together based on coin count. That can easily be said by town or scum, but I feel it takes away a bit of reasoning and scumhunting. So I would rather we just not do it at all

Okay

I'm mainly asking because I'm the 8 coin lady, so whoever my partner is gets some pretty spicy voting power this game

And tbh regardless of what people think, I'd rather just not accept a partner than specifically partner with someone I find scummy

So keep that in mind

. Well um, I understand why you were worried, but I don't think you should've claimed that so fast even if your intent was to claim sometime. I FOS this a bit mostly because being it can set Ankamius with her ideal partner as scum. Even if town wanted to claim the high coin count (and I can understand why.) Doing it this early just doesn't seem correct, along with the timing of the 2 posts. It's meh.

I'm curious what you think my motivation was for claiming my coins

Mostly because I think you wanted to be more appealing to the gentlemen so you get your pick at your partner. I can see the logic in town you having the eight coins and wanting to be careful on who you want as a partner. What I think is the weird part is I see no reason for town you to say that so early because people are obviously going to read you differently now that you've said you have 8 coins. Scum you wouldn't mind that though. So main motivation was to help your partner choice, along with I barely see any reason why you claim that early.

mmmmmmm, that's pretty far away from the actual truth for either alignment

also, you claim that people will see me differently now that they know I have 8 coins, but why is that necessarily worse for town-me than scum-me?

I don't really get your first sentence, are you saying you wouldn't do either situation?
It's worse for town you because the reads are less genuine, and people can make the read of 'I want to put ank with this person because they have 8 coins.' Compared to a read where they can't do that if you just kept it hidden. I don't see why town would want that where scum don't really care.

correct.

you already read past the part where I explained why I wouldn't need to use my coin count to help me find a partner as town; I'm good enough at obvtowning myself when I try to that it's hard to believe that we would ever reach a situation where I would be without a partner when there's more gentlemen than ladies. Buuuuuut a small part of what went into that decision is knowing that it's entirely possible that I'll be specifically put with someone scummy on purpose and it's a lot less likely now.

as scum, I would just grandstand around it if I was worried about how I was going to be read. I don't see much point in just giving out my biggest advantage when I can milk it instead; I also don't have a strong enough scumgame to be able to reliably deflect that extra attention forever, especially since there are multiple people here that are very likely to look for scumsigns from me from early on since I recently won a scumgame against them... and double especially since as the 'strongest' lady in the setup, I'd naturally have more attention on me just from that fact alone. That kind of play requires a strong scumplayer to pull off and that isn't me

as for your response to the second line, that's exactly what is indicative about it; wouldn't you say that it could provide associatives to look back on later?

Why claim right away in your second post? If you did this like, mid pre dance after getting enough interactions I'd fully understand, but doing it so early just changes how people will play around you in total. Wouldn't the associatives be better if you tried to let people read you normally

then

claimed the coins and see how that changed? Your logic as scum is somewhat wifom. Also you seem like a pretty compitent player to me so it's hard to buy that your scumgame is awful.

You're not the strongest lady in the setup, you make somebody else the strongest gentlemen. Important distinction.

True!

Also, I only plan on accepting a gentleman I'm very sure is town so thanks for agreeing with me Dunn

You act like however you say yes to being a dance partner with is gonna instant hammer or swing the vote they have around. When in reality if they don't vote who the town mainly agrees on they're most likely going to get lynched. (Well you would be as well, but not the point here)

Depending on the scumteam, this could be gamewinning for them

How so? You mean scum suiciding to kill a tvt pair? I don't think scum would do that because it's not really worth it. I mean, I guess they could. I don't see why they would though. Still, I don't see why you'd claim early (or how your point proves anything?) If you were really worried about what gent got your coins that seems all the more reason to hide it so you can get a better read on the guys. If scum are in the guys they're gonna want to go for town you yeah? I guess I just don't get your points.

I guess this is more of a playstyle difference than anything

This kind of thing is beneficial to how I get reads longer term, not detrimental; sure scum can try to secure themselves as my dance partner for the votes, but I'm aware enough of that possibility that it's hard to outright push for that without tipping me off

[Ankamius]

Oh and regarding the suiciding being gamewinning:

If there's one other pair that is significantly more competent than the rest of the group, it's plausible for it to be worth it for scum to pair with me just to remove them. Me dying is a bonus since it eliminates the possibility of me sweeping in later when it matters the most and turning the tables on them

[Ankamius]

Now that both of you are partnered, do either of you have reads

[Ankamius]

Do your reads match the general structure of the pair lists?

[Ankamius]

Talk to me about Slaxx? What is giving you reservations on him?

[Ankamius]

Ftr going by final 3 pairings isn't the best idea since scum can just force one of those three to leave at intermission

[Ankamius]

bottom two I’m relatively confident in.

Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?

Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people, were sticking to a list that had been made before players even got in the thread and using it to waive off actual scumhunting (“my list is still fine”), and downplayed putting in effort by using the average win rate of town in this setup. It all felt very half-hearted and purposefully dismissive when there were like seven different things going on in the thread you could have commented on to help us read you.

It doesn’t help you’re now pushing me because my reads are supposed to be more valuable, while you
1) Give me nothing of value to read you on besides active lurking and opaque play and
2) Provided very little of value yourself

You also have someone with basically no content at the top of your list which makes literally no sense. I don’t think you’re putting any effort into actually solving the game but plenty in to looking like you are

What is Krazys plan here as scum?

[Ankamius]

Starting to null-read Krazy. Setup speccing is still NAI, but not as clear scum as before.

Yeah he’s more town now that he’s actually contributing but Christ how could anyone not look at the first 80% of the ISO and scumread it? The fact he is suspicious of me for doing it is what I’m hung up on now.

Me, because I do similar stuff as town sometimes

[Ankamius]

I think Krazy has too much BoP for that to work so brazenly in the first place, Slaxx

[Ankamius]

Idk I kinda think so duckling

[Ankamius]

Burden of Proficiency

He does in my eyes at least, since he had perfect reads in my only other game with him.

[Ankamius]

I'm not, duckling.

I do struggle to see what this strategy he's doing would benefit scum, though.

[Ankamius]

FTR a lot of my posts yesterday were on my desktop and all my posts today were on my phone, so that's probably the discrepancy right there

[Ankamius]

What strategy? I'm just posting gutreads here, like I have been all game.

I'm referring to krazy

[Ankamius]

Please don't tell me you're actually intending to BoP and sheep Krazy Ank? he's not quite flawless

I think she was saying that my BoP as town is high enough that my scum game is probably good too, not that my town game is flawless.

I mean that I think there is enough history to expect you to have more of a presence than to just coast for half the game without doing anything or providing more than content that doesn't hold up to scrutiny in the long run

[Ankamius]

I don't understand this WIM thing, I've never heard that term before

[Ankamius]

I just wanted to talk reads with people, and yet I know I'm gonna be spending the next hour catching up again. This is what I get for coming back to MS.

Mafia in general is almost always a bad idea

[Ankamius]

(Allomancer Nancy Drew 39 Krazy)
(the worst Alisae Adelbert Steiner)
(Clemency Firebringer Ankamius)
(Reinhardt mcqueen PvtUrist Dunnstral Jibril-Null)
(Pink Ball Slaxx)

Can explain the first 2 and last line pretty easily. I also love how I was giving Allo crap for not explaining his reads when he made something like this and I'm doing the same thing.

Can you go into the Alisae and Slaxx reads for me?

[Ankamius]

Wtf are you two even arguing about?

[Ankamius]

Ok

What do you think of pvturist

[Ankamius]

jeez you make me blush...

ok PvtUrist could go exactly either way from here. he vibes awkward so far

I think the basis behind his reads will probably show which alignment he is pretty easily honestly since they're so different from everybody elses

Although I am starting to get paranoid that I'm not reading the game correctly since I have a lot of people leaning town and very few people left that aren't.

[Ankamius]

jeez you make me blush...

ok PvtUrist could go exactly either way from here. he vibes awkward so far

I think the basis behind his reads will probably show which alignment he is pretty easily honestly since they're so different from everybody elses

Although I am starting to get paranoid that I'm not reading the game correctly since I have a lot of people leaning town and very few people left that aren't.

Who would you consider the townreads you're feeling less comfortable about? I'm p sure this is a 3p scumteam so it's not abnormal to have a large number of townreads

I hope
otherwise I'm fucked

[*]Ankamius

[*]Slaxx [*]Allomancer [*]Dunnstral
[*]Krazy [*]Nancy Drew 39 [*]Celica [*]the worst [*]Firebringer
Null: Rest
[*]Adelbert Steiner

Okay I thought my list was smaller, but mcqueen/Reinhardt/Jibril haven't had much of a presence yet, PvtUrist is on hold, Alisae is a slot I probably will never be able to read thanks to personality, and Clemency/Pinkball are slots I'm not particularly interested in reading since I doubt they will be around for long.

[Ankamius]

@Ank if it's not your style lmk but do you feel like you can allocate % probabilities to your townreads?

like I'm obviously 100% town, Slaxx 80% town etc. like chance you're wrong on the read.

I find it helps with weighting Too Many Townreads

Uhhhh the reads two lines below mine are reasonably confident
Every other read is not confident

[Ankamius]

Oh Krazy can go up a tier, I'm confusing myself

[Ankamius]

The only people I feel comfortable pairing with at the moment are Krazy or Allo.

Essentially this for me too assuming Slaxx and Dunn is going to happen

[Ankamius]

I'd pair with Celica or Ank if I wasn't going to drag them down

If things go south, I'd accept nobody before someone I don't have at least a decent townread on

And that might be more damaging depending on who I take out with me

[Ankamius]

I'd probably accept Slaxx but you'd have to convince him more than me I think

[Ankamius]

I'd pair with Celica or Ank if I wasn't going to drag them down

If things go south, I'd accept nobody before someone I don't have at least a decent townread on

And that might be more damaging depending on who I take out with me

So how do you feel about krazy

Good odds of being town

It would require specific scumpartners for him to be scum here I think

[Ankamius]

I'd probably accept Slaxx but you'd have to convince him more than me I think

I've started to think you were town

So you mean this in past tense or present tense?

[Ankamius]

Oh no are you going to do the same thing Nancy does

[Ankamius]

I'm already scumreading reinhardt

[Ankamius]

Oh dear...

[Ankamius]

So what are both of your reads on reinhardt?

[Ankamius]

scummy

Oh good I'm glad people are seeing the same pattern I am

I assume it's the same pattern anyways, it's not a very complex thing

[Ankamius]

Where are your reads at atm fire

[Ankamius]

I'm confused about this entire argument too

[Ankamius]

Anyways fire, if you have to classify it by annoyance level, that works for me well enough

I want to solidify a read on you sooner rather than later

[Ankamius]

Rn I wanna dance with either Celica or Ankamius

Get the makeup bag Ank, We gotta look pretty!

I can just buy top end stuff :3

[Ankamius]

Anyways fire, if you have to classify it by annoyance level, that works for me well enough

I want to solidify a read on you sooner rather than later

Why exactly? I am still planning to leave the dance....

Because I have only played with about... four people in this game before, two of which are in your one pairing and both of which I

can

work with if I can get comfortable townreads on

I need more comfortable reads to be able to try to read the slots I can't read and you two are the best shots at getting there I think

[Ankamius]

Can you go into your duckling read Allo?

[Ankamius]

Any new reads Alisae?

[Ankamius]

Okay

Talk about Celica when you have read her posts with me?

[Ankamius]

Not really, no, there's been a lot of pointless arguing mainly

I've been trying to nail down more reads I can be comfortable with and you two are on the list to sort

[Ankamius]

Not really, no, there's been a lot of pointless arguing mainly

I've been trying to nail down more reads I can be comfortable with and you two are on the list to sort

I need to effort at work now but remind me to engage on that fire

[Ankamius]

Hey duckling, where is your head at?

[Ankamius]

awwwww I feel honored to be someone's biggest scumread

[Ankamius]

anyways

duckling

where is your head at

[Ankamius]

I've been trying to nail down more reads I can be comfortable with and you two are on the list to sort

what do you want to nail down atm? We can probably talk about a couple things atm.

I have comfortable townreads on Dunnstral, Allomancer, Krazy, and Slaxx.

Really I just want to add to this list or find a strong scumread to start building off from. Reinhardt is getting there but the read isn't strong enough yet

[Ankamius]

reads list:

The Town Eskimos - Firebringer, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39
The Town Walruses - Slaxx, Dunnstral
The Town Ants - Allomancer, Alisae, Adelbert
The People Who Joined But Didn't Get a Team Name - Clemency, PvtUrist, mcqueen, Reinhardt, Jibril, Celica
The Scum Pandas - the worst, Krazy, Pink Ball

now for the FRUSTRATION LIST:
(this goes most frustated to least)

THE ANNOYING BEES - Allomancer
FOR DEAL LOVE STOP AND READ THE GAME BEFORE POSTING - Nancy Drew 39, Reinhardt
THE LOUD TIGERS - SLAXX
EVERYONE ELSE WHO DOESNT GET A TEAM NAME
THE ADORABLE NOT ANNYING GRANDSON - ALISAE

we're surprisingly well synced already I think? there's a few changes I'd make on townread strength and obviously I don't agree with Krazy at all, but I like this list

[Ankamius]

hey ank, i gave u the reads list, now i want a cookie

Cookie for you :3

[Ankamius]

Really I just want to add to this list or find a strong scumread to start building off from. Reinhardt is getting there but the read isn't strong enough yet

I'd like to know your line of thought on this, especially the read on Reinhardt. Has he not been playing the same way ND39 has been?

I'll just go into it this way

Celica caught up in a similar way, but it's obvious thought went into her responses and that she's trying to progress the game -> likely a town mindset with some apprehension thanks to not having played with her before
Nancy caught up in a similar way, but it's how she does it as both alignments and she comments on everything with a mix of whatever she feels like at the time -> null, I don't think there's enough there to really get a read
Reinhardt chose really weird posts to respond to with essentially nothing, most of his content has been useless so far and what's there is vague and doesn't give any indication that he has a thought process behind it -> scum catchup

[Ankamius]

hey ank
hey aaaaaaaaaank
i'm stoned but wanna hear my verdict on Celcia

lay it on me

what is your verdict on Celica?

[Ankamius]

anyways

duckling

where is your head at

mostly at work atm
I'm not super invested rn, here in body more than in spirit

what do you wanna know?

I'm getting a weird impression that you're paying a lot closer attention than you're trying to let on, so I'm getting paranoid of you

[Ankamius]

hey ank
hey aaaaaaaaaank
i'm stoned but wanna hear my verdict on Celcia

lay it on me

what is your verdict on Celica?

well, let me give you everything.
Ride or Die: Ank Slaxx nancy Jibril Pink Ball
Probably town: PvtUrist
I don't remember I'm stoned lol: Krazy
Tryharding too much and its worrying me but I haven't played in 6 months so my knowledge of it is probably incorrect: Fire
Is probably just scum: Dunnstral
The powerwolf or I'm just really paranoid: Celica
The rest I either don't need to read because it'll sort itself out (tw) or I just haven't read their posts (reinhardt, fucking roleplayers), and the rest just aren't relevant yet.

hmmmm

what about celica has been giving you powerwolf vibes? is it just general play stuff or did specific posts give that impression

[Ankamius]

I think I see what you mean, the case itself is really not good now that I'm actually looking at it (spoilers, I skipped it when I first saw it)

do you know of her outside the site enough to have an idea of how much experience she has?

[Ankamius]

hm...

Yeah, I'm seeing how Celica could be scum here, I'll have to rethink Krazy too since I could see them being scumpartners with how he laid his cards out earlier.

[Ankamius]

I think I see what you mean, the case itself is really not good now that I'm actually looking at it (spoilers, I skipped it when I first saw it)

do you know of her outside the site enough to have an idea of how much experience she has?

I am going to respond with I don’t want to respond

I'll just assume that what you initially said is true then

[Ankamius]

I can easily see that entire post being a stretched case to push on you with

[Ankamius]

hey urist

can you read the game instead of my iso please

[Ankamius]

here I'll even help you find the context behind the switch

hey ank
hey aaaaaaaaaank
i'm stoned but wanna hear my verdict on Celcia

lay it on me

what is your verdict on Celica?

well, let me give you everything.
Ride or Die: Ank Slaxx nancy Jibril Pink Ball
Probably town: PvtUrist
I don't remember I'm stoned lol: Krazy
Tryharding too much and its worrying me but I haven't played in 6 months so my knowledge of it is probably incorrect: Fire
Is probably just scum: Dunnstral
The powerwolf or I'm just really paranoid: Celica
The rest I either don't need to read because it'll sort itself out (tw) or I just haven't read their posts (reinhardt, fucking roleplayers), and the rest just aren't relevant yet.

hmmmm

what about celica has been giving you powerwolf vibes? is it just general play stuff or did specific posts give that impression

read the post on Slaxx going from ignoring stuff to that read seems off also there is a particular part of that read that bugged me
Playwise she seems like the powerwolf, but it could be I’m just fosing her cause I respect her experience? /shrug

I think I see what you mean, the case itself is really not good now that I'm actually looking at it (spoilers, I skipped it when I first saw it)

do you know of her outside the site enough to have an idea of how much experience she has?

hm...

Yeah, I'm seeing how Celica could be scum here, I'll have to rethink Krazy too since I could see them being scumpartners with how he laid his cards out earlier.

[Ankamius]

I’ll let ank answer that but there’s a reason pretty blatantly in her ISO for that turnaround

Still that feels a bit more like a Townie gotcha than a scummy gotcha

it's dead null but it's annoying as fuck

[Ankamius]

it's a lot harder to skim a dozen 1-2 lined posts that are almost all relevant to what he's saying than it is to skim over a post that's 2 pages long that doesn't directly follow anything

[Ankamius]

that case strikes me more as scum trying to diminish the influence of a townslot than a bus

[Ankamius]

also do you mean 'nuanced' instead of 'nuisanced'

[Ankamius]

that case strikes me more as scum trying to diminish the influence of a townslot than a bus

Same feeling, it could be a bus and its something to consider but if it is a bus or not no reason to care. I was just saying that to describe it

I got what you were saying.

I’ll have to look it over again. When I responded to it I wasn’t really thinking it came from scum.

I’m on mobile, anyone want to do me a solid and check if that was before or after me pushing Krazy?

Your first mentions of Krazy was right after the list of quotes that she posted

But she also posted your reads list from far after that so...

[Ankamius]

I might just reset my reads

[Ankamius]

Do you understand the logic of us not partnering together? I want to but I think we eat the kill if we do.

I don’t think we need to rush this decision. Do you really think we’d be the most obvtown couple though? I thought Ank and tw were more obvtown read then me but then maybe thing’s have changed since I last read the game?

the problem is that most of the gentlemen are null or sketchy, not the general read level of the ladies

[Ankamius]

the read is genuine

This is a Trust Tell. A bannable offense and needs to be removed from the game.

Was this in reference to our mindmeld or separate?

separate
it was a shitpost

lol

do u see what i see

I'm suddenly starting to think maybe not

Wait you're not on Adel SR?

It is funny to me that once again you have scum read me, and it matters not what account I am on.

The fact you're an alt makes that way way worse tbh.

The fact I townread Adel coming back to this push on him from Slaxx really bad, the post I forgot to quote is him saying he scumreads Adel for Adel saying ‘did you claim scum the worst?’ That post may look bad yeah, but I don’t see why scum Adel even posts that. It feels like a really easy scumread to make and a push I can see Slax going for.

Why is this necessarily scummy? It's early enough in the game where there isn't a whole lot more to go on and you even said yourself that the post he's referring to was bad, so what's the problem with this?

People jumping on fb already are probably scummy

I haven't read anything yet

Why even say that if you haven't read? Why not let it naturally progress instead of trying stifling it while you catchup?

Actually I really don't like Dunn's entrance as it processes.

The timing of these posts on dunn just strikes me as off. Feels like a way to discredit, not really trying to solve, but trying to stop reads.

This is essentially the same thing you did with your first point. Dunnstral calling people scummy for pushing lynchbait at page... 7 or 8 is bizarre and worth calling out, what's the problem with it necessarily? It would look a lot more scummy if the general tone of the posts were reversed, but I think most scumplayers would be more self-aware than to respond with reasonable followup questions and then immediately after make a post that could be interpreted as an attempt to discredit Dunn.

Ank and Urist are null
Dunn is town

Why is Dunn town?

Good analysis, seems towny. Don't worry yourself, this is early on, reads can and will change.

...He had like four posts

Why does post count matter when it comes to a read? I don’t think it does at all. Seems like another reason for trying to stop reads.

This is him essentially saying that Dunnstral hasn't posted enough to warrant "Good analysis, seems towny." This I agree with, it's a pocket attempt at a glance and it makes sense that he'd specifically pick this fight because it's a townread on his scumread.

Okay

Allo and I agree on Krazy

Before this post he made comments on Allo being scummy/maybe scum. So if that’s true, you and your scumreading agreeing on a read doesn’t make you pause.

That can just as easily be interpreted as "okay cool Allo might just have been hasty on Dunn, he's got his head in the game now"

Gut read I think Adel is town

>_______________>

The people Slax scumreads right here. One of them (Dunn) calls the other town. (Adel) What makes me pause here is Slax does nothing about it. Not a call out, no questions why, nothing. I would expect Slax to call this out as town or at least question it. All we get is ‘>_>’

It's more an expression than anything. Gutreads are notorious for being unexplainable, so what would he have called it out with or questioned about it?

[Ankamius]

that case strikes me more as scum trying to diminish the influence of a townslot than a bus

I have no reason to do this though when I could just nightkill Slaxx. He's the most townread gent minus Allo who I am actively trying to pair with. What would town me do in this spot? I asked for reasons why Slaxx was town and I wasn't seeing any so I posted my case. The way you and Ali are acting is like I said to stop trying to read Slaxx all together. I never did that at all.

If he's mostly on the right track, then it's entirely possible that he'd be able to convince enough of us to lynch your partners before your chance to kill him even comes up.

[Ankamius]

Reinhardt's catchup is how scum catch up, not town

he's just picking at random posts and looking busy without actually pushing forward the game

[Ankamius]

Ank list the ladies from most likely to be scum to least likely to be scum.
Focusing on the gents doesn’t give the ladies a free pass

Celica > Jibril > Clemency > the worst > Nancy Drew 39 > Alisae > Dunnstral > Ankamius

[Ankamius]

Ank list the ladies from most likely to be scum to least likely to be scum.
Focusing on the gents doesn’t give the ladies a free pass

Celica > Jibril > Clemency > the worst > Nancy Drew 39 > Alisae > Dunnstral > Ankamius

Jibril is probably town
Now I’m starting to get kinda concerned as to why you trust Dunn a lot fill me in here a bit.

he hasn't actually moved in my reads list from last time, the issue is more that everyone is more closely clumped up than it looks; most of the basis for my read is still his entrance into the game and not giving me much reason to rethink it since then

I can see why you would townread Jibril, but I'm wary of reads like that

[Ankamius]

I feel like me and Alisae wouldn't get along that well. Not anything game-related, I just feel like it would be a personality clash. I plan on pairing with Ank or Celica.

The personality clash is exactly why would you both be a power couple. Trust me, I have a girlfriend, we've been together for almost 8 years, and we fucking hate each other

that sounds horrifying

[Ankamius]

Why is this necessarily scummy? It's early enough in the game where there isn't a whole lot more to go on and you even said yourself that the post he's referring to was bad, so what's the problem with this?

Because it’s a post that people should think more about then just looking at it. Adel seems like a mislynch waiting to happen to me and Slax is pushing it. The way he called out the posts in questions were also bad. So yes it is scummy the way he went at it. Instead of prodding adel more he just called the post scummy and moved on.

This is essentially the same thing you did with your first point. Dunnstral calling people scummy for pushing lynchbait at page... 7 or 8 is bizarre and worth calling out, what's the problem with it necessarily? It would look a lot more scummy if the general tone of the posts were reversed, but I think most scumplayers would be more self-aware than to respond with reasonable followup questions and then immediately after make a post that could be interpreted as an attempt to discredit Dunn.

Just because you disagree with my way of thinking and the way Slaxx went at something doesn’t make the overall case bad. You didn’t really prove anything with this post. You just said you disagree and a ‘I think’ post that holds no merit because we don’t know if your ‘I think’ is true or not.

This is him essentially saying that Dunnstral hasn't posted enough to warrant "Good analysis, seems towny." This I agree with, it's a pocket attempt at a glance and it makes sense that he'd specifically pick this fight because it's a townread on his scumread.

You don’t need a high post count for someone to have good analysis in a post or to even call someone towny. Someone can be towny in only 1 post some can not be towny in 100. Post count isn’t really a factor.

That can just as easily be interpreted as "okay cool Allo might just have been hasty on Dunn, he's got his head in the game now"

No...no it can’t you’re just making an assumption. The fact is he was scumreading Allo and allo agrees with him on another scumread. He didn’t question that at all and to me that’s weird.

It's more an expression than anything. Gutreads are notorious for being unexplainable, so what would he have called it out with or questioned about it?

Gut read or not the fact he didn’t question that more is strange in and of itself. He could’ve brought more attention to it by simply going. “My scumreads are starting to town read each other.” Or ask more questions about the read.

that case strikes me more as scum trying to diminish the influence of a townslot than a bus

I have no reason to do this though when I could just nightkill Slaxx. He's the most townread gent minus Allo who I am actively trying to pair with. What would town me do in this spot? I asked for reasons why Slaxx was town and I wasn't seeing any so I posted my case. The way you and Ali are acting is like I said to stop trying to read Slaxx all together. I never did that at all.

If he's mostly on the right track, then it's entirely possible that he'd be able to convince enough of us to lynch your partners before your chance to kill him even comes up.

That wasn’t the orginal point you were making though. You were basically trying to say that I was trying to stop people from reading Slaxx. Also, the point of trying to stop his influence doesn’t make sense because he’s townreading me. Along with the fact that the whole influence point doesn’t make sense at all. It’s not like people are sheeping Slax in the first place or anything of the sort. So what influence am I stopping in the first place? Nothing at all.

Overall your statements here just feel...flat. Like you’re giving an excuse to say why my case is bad. I haven’t really seen anything good here that I can agree with. I don’t think you’re trying to understand my reasoning more so as just discredit me.

My entire point is that Slaxx's actions make sense from a town mindset and I'm not seeing enough to be able to see a scum mindset from Slaxx in the posts you quoted.

Why is Slaxx posting about Adel being scummy better than mine when I did the same thing? You also haven't explained why it's scummy instead of badtown, you essentially repeated that it's bad and that he's trying to push a mislynch... which I already explained why that by itself is insufficient.

You can't say that me disagreeing with your thinking doesn't make your case bad and then dismiss my counterpoint that it doesn't make much sense for scum to hastily make an addendum to a decent looking post with one that looks a lot more shaky. Either my interpretation is as valid as yours or your case is bad.

Would you agree or disagree with the statement that Dunnstral's first four posts were good analysis then? Literally all he had done at that point was lambast me for claiming my coin count and call the people voting Firebringer scummy for voting for lynchbait. That's hasty enough to raise eyebrows.

Yes I can, actually. You even showed the evidence via Allo being back into Slaxx's nullpile later on in the game. It's enough to be able to assume that Allo's stance on Krazy was enough to push him back out of the scumpile.

Okay, tell me why that necessarily means scum intent is more likely than town. If he was looking to secure future mislynches, he'd be just as willing to call more attention to it than as what you claim he would do as town.

No, I said you were trying to reduce his influence. That has more than do than people's reads on him, it has more to do with securing that small piece of doubt in everyone's minds that will make them less likely to follow him later.

[Ankamius]

I'm wanting Celica unpaired atm

[Ankamius]

I'm wanting Celica unpaired atm

That's impossible unless an extra gent chooses to leave.

There's enough sketchy gentlemen to allow that

[Ankamius]

Why am I scum Ank?
We're basically going to go back and forth on the Slaxx case over and over. and quite honestly, you're just trying to disprove my points instead of trying to read them. So why don't we start on why I'm scum.

it's hard to explain beyond "it fits with how I'm seeing the gamestate right now"

[Ankamius]

Like it's bad enough I'm pretty sure he's scum doing this just for the sake of getting me to back off. It'd just be worse if he was town though and I was trying to give him chances and he's telling me to fuck off.
Pedit: I don't believe that given I'm your biggest scumread atm Ank. You can do better than that. If you can answer/discredit my answers you can explain why I'm scum

Your interactions with me are not indicating that your casing is coming from a gamesolving frame of mind is the main thing

I also independently believe that scum aren't just sitting by and letting the game progress without them, this game is going to be very hard for scum if there isn't efforts made to get a foothold in the game and it also fits with the mindset you started with

[Ankamius]

I think mcqueen should get a pair atm. I'd want adel or Rein left out of the dance, but I lean adel atm

I might be wrong on Rein, McQueen might be the third scum instead

[Ankamius]

Like it's bad enough I'm pretty sure he's scum doing this just for the sake of getting me to back off. It'd just be worse if he was town though and I was trying to give him chances and he's telling me to fuck off.
Pedit: I don't believe that given I'm your biggest scumread atm Ank. You can do better than that. If you can answer/discredit my answers you can explain why I'm scum

Your interactions with me are not indicating that your casing is coming from a gamesolving frame of mind is the main thing

I also independently believe that scum aren't just sitting by and letting the game progress without them, this game is going to be very hard for scum if there isn't efforts made to get a foothold in the game and it also fits with the mindset you started with

I'd be offended by this post if I thought you were town. haha

Most of my side of that exchange was wanting you to say why your case means scum when I can easily see it coming from town and your response was essentially "you can't make assumptions"

What is town about that?

[Ankamius]

Just going to reiterate that I'm the 8 coin lady and matching me up with someone who can reasonably be scum is very risky

[Ankamius]

Like it's bad enough I'm pretty sure he's scum doing this just for the sake of getting me to back off. It'd just be worse if he was town though and I was trying to give him chances and he's telling me to fuck off.
Pedit: I don't believe that given I'm your biggest scumread atm Ank. You can do better than that. If you can answer/discredit my answers you can explain why I'm scum

Your interactions with me are not indicating that your casing is coming from a gamesolving frame of mind is the main thing

I also independently believe that scum aren't just sitting by and letting the game progress without them, this game is going to be very hard for scum if there isn't efforts made to get a foothold in the game and it also fits with the mindset you started with

I'd be offended by this post if I thought you were town. haha

Most of my side of that exchange was wanting you to say why your case means scum when I can easily see it coming from town and your response was essentially "you can't make assumptions"

What is town about that?

You made reaches that show why Slaxx can be town by making assumptions in his posts. When I showed holes in his logic. While yes you showed points you never really showed anything that could make it not come from scum.
I made a case you made a counter point saying 'these reasons are why it can be town' I gave you my reasons why you're incorrect. We didn't really solve anything.

Showing you that your points are wrong is not necessarily the point, the point was to show that town can do exactly what he did and make sense. It shows that your case isn't alignment indicative, and therefore is not a good case

[Ankamius]

I'm not willing to match with Krazy anymore.

[Ankamius]

You're right Alisae, this isn't going to go anywhere

[Ankamius]

I think mcqueen should get a pair atm. I'd want adel or Rein left out of the dance, but I lean adel atm

I might be wrong on Rein, McQueen might be the third scum instead

I think it’s best for town, that I be paired with Slaxx in that case. I know he’s afraid of eating an NK but the more obvtown pairs, the less it makes you a target. I don’t think we should make things easy for scum and it’s in our best interest to have scum have to choose between other threats, in order to keep you safe.

Do you agree?

Nancy, I'm not going to have a good idea of how good my read on the game is until people start flipping. I'm fairly sure I'm getting to a theory that makes a lot of sense to me, but there's enough uncertainty with a lot of slots that I can't just point to my scumreads and call for chain lynches on them at this point

[Ankamius]

If I'm that much of a threat, the only way to save me from getting NKed is to pair me with scum, who would instalynch someone into intermission anyways

[Ankamius]

Yeah, I don't think claiming was a good idea, but I don't see how it helps scum. It's antitown but not scummy. IMO it only helps scum if town claims coins. So if Ank is scum, she didn't do anything productive, and if she is town, she hurt town, but she's not scum, just made a mistake.

Actually I had a much different idea in mind when I claimed that nobody had picked up on I think

And no, at this point having my coin amount be known is protown because if we are going to go with this town+null idea, we need to know who is getting the instalynch powers and whether they are a town or a null

[Ankamius]

If I'm that much of a threat, the only way to save me from getting NKed is to pair me with scum, who would instalynch someone into intermission anyways

Just going to reiterate that I'm the 8 coin lady and matching me up with someone who can reasonably be scum is very risky

You have 8 votes and depending on whom you pair up with, will either be seen as a huge assest or threat to scum. You obviously don’t want to pair up with a scumread for obvious reasons but you’re 100% putting a target on your back, if you pair with a likely obvtown gent, so I think for those reasons Allo and Slaxx probably wouldn’t be the best choices for you. So, if you pair up with a nullread, you will probably be safe(r) in either case. Right?

And you obviously should take all the time you need to figure that out. We ALL should ideally. I just think the original plan of pairing obvtowns with null reads, contributes to you being the biggest target, so I think it’s in town’s best interest - as I’ve said - to take the heat off of you, as much as possible.

I'm going to keep saying, it's too early to determine my worth to the game since I need flips to refine my reads

Most of my game directly before my hiatus were weak and there's no guarantee I'll be back to form just because I'm coming back from one like last time

Just play the game by ear and we will see what happens, I had a huge ego problem in Irchers game last year and I don't want a repeat of that

[Ankamius]

Read the last few pages and start from there mcqueen

[Ankamius]

Last note to Nancy

I think only like 3 people here are aware of my history on the site, so it's unlikely I'll be specifically targeted for being me unless duckling or you are scum

So

[Ankamius]

Oh dear

[Ankamius]

I'm oh dearing because I've had a Krazy+Celica+mcqueen team in my head and the first thing you do is associatives with Celica

[Ankamius]

I'm oh dearing because I've had a Krazy+Celica+mcqueen team in my head and the first thing you do is associatives with Celica

There's evidence for it even without any of your input

You just happened to add to it

[Ankamius]

I'll case it when I get to it I think

[Ankamius]

B. Why does scum claim they have 8 coins right away?

to stay alive?

It's riskier, because not letting me get a partner at all is a lot easier to justify when I have a known 8 coins than otherwise when I'm considered generally scummy

So there would need to be a big reward to justify that risk as scum

[Ankamius]

Nobody has mentioned yet that I need a partner because I have 8 coins, people have only mentioned that I need a partner because I'm town lol

[Ankamius]

Actually I think I've only ever gotten negative attention this entire game for it, and that was mostly in people's entrances; people have been ignoring it since

[Ankamius]

Last note to Nancy

I think only like 3 people here are aware of my history on the site, so it's unlikely I'll be specifically targeted for being me unless duckling or you are scum

So

Not necessarily true. Scum will likely target one of the obvtown couples/players and most people have you, tw, Allo, Alisae, Slaxx and myself, currently as obvtown.

I’m trying to keep you in the game, because we need you to stay around as long as possible, right?

Why though?

[Ankamius]

I think town isn't fully comprehending how dangerous this is?

I'd call it a legitimate strategy for the 7 and 8 coin lady to not partner at all because the partners of them are the only slots that will get an opportunity to lynch a lover pair by themselves

It's cool and all to make all these partner plans, but it's arguably more important to prevent scum from being able to lolhammer the most competent slots out of the game and leave the last scum to pull a relatively simple endgame. It's a lot less dangerous to purposely leave the three scummiest gentlemen to die

[Ankamius]

Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?

[Ankamius]

Actually in that theory, I think Krazy is going for two scum lovers in the top 3 pairs while the third is the dedicated intermission kill

But that's not really important to my point as much

[Ankamius]

No wait, that is only relevant for my partner, not the 7 coin lady

Disregard that part

[Ankamius]

Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?

you're actually ticking me off. you are scumreading me almost solely based off your read of another player. i've come into the game now; why not let my play do the talking?

So?

A scummy player is having scummy interactions you and you are reciprocating

[Ankamius]

Revised point, it's a legitimate strategy to remove 2 gentlemen and me to remove that possibility from the game, is it not?

[Ankamius]

Btw I haven't even mentioned the worst part about that situation

If I'm partnered to scum and they end first dance as soon as we are down to 14, then they just make me the conftown and kill some other pair, leaving us with 4 pairs to find 2 scum in, forcing me to suicide if we get only town on the next lynch.

It's a shitty situation to be in, which is exactly why I'm demanding a strongly town partner or none at all

[Ankamius]

FB I'd like to lose because we got reads wrong rather than because scum played the setup better than town

[Ankamius]

to be honest Ank, giving you a towny partner and getting you both killed in intermission is probably better than just letting you and a gent die before the dance

I'm fine with either

I don't think trying to keep me alive past intermission is worth the risk

[Ankamius]

Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?

you're actually ticking me off. you are scumreading me almost solely based off your read of another player. i've come into the game now; why not let my play do the talking?

So?

A scummy player is having scummy interactions you and you are reciprocating

i don't care what interactions Krazy had with me; you've written me off pretty hard so far, instead of seeing how I play. all I said to the guy was basically "hey it's cool to see you again, it's been awhile." you act like i can control what this guy says about me.

Are you certain your play will change my mind?

[Ankamius]

Krazy was that a serious vote or was it a "I don't like this post" vote

[Ankamius]

yeah but a good setup isn't designed in a way where everything hinges on the setup. if we play better than the scum we win. end of story.

We'll yeah that's always the case unless the setup is broken beyond belief

But I think this setup was designed to allow more strategy into the old dance one, and there's enough nuance in how the setup is designed to allow scum to use it to get a huge advantage if they use it properly, so it's foolhardy to just dismiss it out of hand

[Ankamius]

Okay

Do you have any thoughts about my scumread on you?

[Ankamius]

Sigh

[Ankamius]

[Ankamius]

I'm thinking of permanently shutting off emotes on my posts solely because of that one

[Ankamius]

You and duckling for me

[Ankamius]

Krazy and duckling for me

[Ankamius]

Difference is coins were added, IC is now mafia chosen at intermission instead of the start of predance, and... I think that's it? I'm not sure if intermission starts at a different amount of players now or not

[Ankamius]

Welp

Idk how motivated I am for this game anymore, but it's definitely less now

[Ankamius]

Alisae catch up and engage me

[Ankamius]

What do you think of my scumteam theory then

[Ankamius]

What do you think of krazyslot

[Ankamius]

Alternatively, where am I wrong on my assessment of Celica

[Ankamius]

That's roughly how I see her Slaxx case, Dunn

[Ankamius]

I am starting to think coins don’t matter

They do matter but if you're town going on a power trip and looking for the most coins is just bad play I think

its moreso I’m having issue understanding why the first dance matters.
Like I see what your saying (as much as I disagree) but we still have the 2nd dance to hold people accountable for their actions

One scum suiciding to take out multiple key members of the town is a very good trade for them, it's something to keep in mind

[Ankamius]

Okay I think it's time to go into why you are scumreading me that much

[Ankamius]

Town, but he's with a Werebeast so they have to go.

Don't know if this is trolling or roleplay, but so far your posts ain't at all thought intriguing.

Anka scumread post soon.

I'm so excited!

[Ankamius]

Are you still going to be able to read this case on me with me when Pvt is done with it?

[Ankamius]

I think it will be a great opportunity to nail down his alignment pretty confidently, actually

[Ankamius]

@Allo can you ask me for a dance?

I kinda decided I would prefer you to be my partner over anyone else.

you know what, I think that'll work. Before I do though, is there anyone who strongly wants to dance with me? Not to be rude Alisae, but I want to make sure no strong town players are forced to compromise.

You might be the last person left that I'll accept as a partner; it's only mcqueen/Adelbert/PvtUrist/Reinhardt otherwise

[Ankamius]

ultimately I think it depends; if one of them can really town it up, that can change.

[Ankamius]

@Allo can you ask me for a dance?

I kinda decided I would prefer you to be my partner over anyone else.

you know what, I think that'll work. Before I do though, is there anyone who strongly wants to dance with me? Not to be rude Alisae, but I want to make sure no strong town players are forced to compromise.

You might be the last person left that I'll accept as a partner; it's only mcqueen/Adelbert/PvtUrist/Reinhardt otherwise

Yeah, you were the one I was worried about. We don't want 8 coins in the wrong hand. How do you feel about mcqueen?

medium-strong scumread

[Ankamius]

If the replacement can town it up, then sure

[Ankamius]

I'm still leaning scum on Krazy, but he's the weakest scumread of the three (Celica + mcqueen) right now

[Ankamius]

Accept Allomancer's hand with my own

Also Ank has trust issues.

this is a pretty apt statement about my mafia play tbh

[Ankamius]

Accept Allomancer's hand with my own

Also Ank has trust issues.

this is a pretty apt statement about my mafia play tbh

I meant with the coin stuff plz don’t be mad :(

I'm not

that's actually probably true :x

[Ankamius]

oh just don't mind daddy, he can get overbearing sometimes

[Ankamius]

okay good, Urist is town

[Ankamius]

I'm going to respond to your entire case with this: you're scumreading my playstyle

[Ankamius]

hi Nancy

what's new

[Ankamius]

but I'm probably going to leave the site for several months again if I replace out

[Ankamius]

but I'm probably going to leave the site for several months again if I replace out

:(

But I like playing with you. Why such a long hiatus?

tbh the only reason I looked to sign up for a game in the first place is related to personal stuff

I'm not BACK back

[Ankamius]

Like one of the biggest reasons I'm scumreading Krazy now is because of that plan he enacted, which fits with the Celica+mcqueen scumreads because if we follow his plan, we literally have 2 scum in the final 6

Celica went to bat to defend Krazy against Slaxx and later said mcqueen should get a partner while Adel or Rein get left out, and then mcqueen comes in and the first thing he says is that people shouldn't be scumreading Celica

Really?

you're actually ticking me off. you are scumreading me almost solely based off your read of another player. i've come into the game now; why not let my play do the talking?

So?

A scummy player is having scummy interactions you and you are reciprocating

i don't care what interactions Krazy had with me; you've written me off pretty hard so far, instead of seeing how I play. all I said to the guy was basically "hey it's cool to see you again, it's been awhile." you act like i can control what this guy says about me.

Are you certain your play will change my mind?

yes

then why are you responding to my scumread by acting like you got caught for the wrong reasons

[Ankamius]

actually let me rephrase:

if you're certain my read is going to change based on your play, then why does my current read matter at all

[Ankamius]

but I'm probably going to leave the site for several months again if I replace out

:(

But I like playing with you. Why such a long hiatus?

tbh the only reason I looked to sign up for a game in the first place is related to personal stuff

I'm not BACK back

Yeah, still not fully recovered from Mafia/MS burnout?

nah I don't like who I become when I play mafia too much

[Ankamius]

urist shouldn't you be finding a lady to dance with so you can keep the train going as long as possible