Merchant's Daughter [Game Restart!]

[Krazy]

Coins only matter in phase 2 and phase 2 kinda doesn't matter

Coins are basically irrelevant and I don't actually know why Fakegod added them other than to have something(?) to make up for the IC removed from the last iteration of the setup

Fire dancing with the worst is fine since they won't be a final pairing anyway given that both of their scum games are largely incomprehensible

Now.

We get to the serious business.

There is literally only one thing important to me right now, and that is figuring out Celica's main.

MUST CHANNEL INNER KRAZY KAT

[Krazy]

I mean at some point we decide the top 3 pairings, which are the only pairings that actually matter in these setups

which means that the other 11 players can literally just shitpost and have fun

[Krazy]

Ur scum game is INCOMPREHENSIBLE!

true and that's why I'm fully prepared to be in the 11 players that just shitpost and have fun lol

[Krazy]

Ohhh find 3 t/t pairings we're communally confident on then we can just nuke the others and either win or find the deepwolf/ves?

yeah coalition basically just stole the premise of this game and made it possible for an even faster game win as town

[Krazy]

Don't worry, Ank, I'm sure you will sync with McQueen and Nancy when they dance together

[Krazy]

Fundamentally we need 4 people that are absolutely locktown, because scum will kill one of our top two pairings. Then we need a pairing that will accept that the top 2 pairing truly is locktown so that one of them will reliably lynch themselves in 4-way. If we can do that we should win.

Also this setup got rid of the Innocent Child, and scum were already kind of doing OK in the dances, so I want to say this game is probably already 55% scumfavored to 45% townfavored so if it's a loss it's all G

[Krazy]

Jibril you're not shiro right?

[Krazy]

1: mcqueen - Nancy Drew 39
2: Slaxx -- Ankamius
3: Pink ball -- Celica
4: Adelbert Steiner -- jibril
5: Krazy -- Dunnstral
6: Firebringer -- the worst
7: Reinhardt -- Alisae
8: PvtUrist -- Clemency

predance -- allomancer

Here we go guys I solved the game now we can spend the rest of this thread shitposting

[Krazy]

But the real question is, are you having fun Adelbert?

[Krazy]

Not yet, jibril didn't hard deny being shiro so now I might have a side quest after Celica

[Krazy]

Are you ready to dance yet Dunn?

[Krazy]

When you've got a tiny little brain

Lolwat

[Krazy]

He is a hydra of alonzo and texcat

[Krazy]

Coins don't matter because scum cannot win in first dance and lynch order will be decided in pre dance

[Krazy]

Coins don't matter because scum cannot win in first dance and lynch order will be decided in pre dance

I agree

any thoughts on the game?

My solve still looks fine

[Krazy]

No one is saying they disagree with the list, just that they don't understand where it comes from.

But so far that looks like the list to me.

Of course I know who adelbert is and he is likely town but doesn't make final 6.

[Krazy]

Always, Ank, always

[Krazy]

Only one person I would move so far but I'll wait for some if the other people first, not gonna update yet

[Krazy]

Celica what would you say your scumrange is?

[Krazy]

You're the only alt I haven't figured out yet of course :p

What's your top 3 favorite anime?

[Krazy]

I haven't watched a lot of anime recently! Also if I was gonna try to truly keep myself hidden wouldn't I just give you an answer that'd throw you off

Interesting... very interesting.

But okay, the important thing is established, which is that Maria isn't in this game. It's okay Dunn, you're safe.

[Krazy]

I have a theory, I feel pretty good about it.

I don't know how I figure out jibril though.

[Krazy]

Celica looks very easy to townread

Stay vigilant everyone, that's how those wily ladies get you

did you....?

[Krazy]

Nancy Drew 39! It sure is nice to finally play in a game with you!

[Krazy]

I don’t feel too much like a hooker or anything. :/

I was thinking about this. I was going to do this long shitpost about how Fakegod's games have moved from an aristocratic aesthetic to more of a middle class aesthetic but then I got too lazy and didn't

[Krazy]

He is a hydra of alonzo and texcat

??

The fun part is figuring out the alts, I'm not going to out someone's main against their will lol

But it might help to think of adel as a hydra of alonzo and texcat anyway if you want to get a grip on them

[Krazy]

I don't have anything to say about your push on Adel, it's not incorrect like I think it is for Jibril, I still gut townread them and think town can be hesitant to want to form a pair, especially a hydra who may want to consult their other head

I thought FG didn’t allow hydras in this game. I think you just got Krazy trolled.

She says after making 10 serious posts about a reads list that includes people that haven't posted yet lol

[Krazy]

In that case the answer was probably no

[Krazy]

Yeah, Krazy will just have to make a list.

You seem really weirdly hung up on one post tbh

[Krazy]

bottom two I’m relatively confident in.

Why are you "relatively confident" in your read of me?

[Krazy]

Why wouldn’t I be “hung up” on that?

Because, as you just explained, it quite clearly can't be the final list. You're acting like I'm decreeing what the pairs will be. I was making an educated guess based on how easily sortable people are, personality, and burden of proficiency.

You also haven't really critiqued almost anything in the structure of the list. It seems like the town is more or less falling into the approximate tiers I suggested. You want to be in a top tier. Clemency seems fine taking a scummy pairing at the bottom. My guesses have been more or less accurate even if the exact pairings haven't matched up.

But you seem to want to scumread me for making an educated guess on how the game will play out, when that guess is more based on: who will be likely to even be in the final six? Because ultimately the game will be won or lost on those players, so starting a conversation on the players who will be both easily townread and reliable enough to execute a plan seems productive to me.

[Krazy]

I actually kinda don't know what to do about the guys based on what I've seen so far

{-- Nancy Drew 39
-- Ankamius
-- Celica}

these are almost certainly the final three ladies
jibril will never post enough for a consensus read to form, Dunn has too much BoP, the worst is paired with firebringer and fire never makes final 3 here, and Clem probably isn't put in the final three for reliability reasons. Alisae is maybe the 4th final lady.

Guys are much bigger problem. McQueen hasn't shown up yet (Hi! btw), Slaxx is scumreading me (which given the usual value of his reads is a pretty big red flag for me), Pink Ball I need to think about now that he's with Clem, I still don't think Adelbert makes it into the final 3 for {reasons} although I think he's more likely final 4 pairings now, I obviously never make final three pairings, PvT kinda isn't here, and Rein literally isn't here. I might actually kinda have to flip and consider Allo in top 4.

1: mcqueen - Nancy Drew 39 -- this is obviously contingent on mcqueen ever showing up
2: Allomancer -- Ankamius -- flipping allo up here for now more due to issues with almost every other gentleman slot
3: Slaxx -- Celica -- Slaxx might just be wrong on me because I haven't started playing yet
4: Adelbert Steiner -- jibril -- this is probably fine for #4 honestly
5: Krazy -- Dunnstral -- match made in heaven
6: PvT -- Alisae -- seems fine
7:

Firebringer -- the worst

-- fine doing this early since there's no reason to push for Fire in final 4
8:

Party Boat -- Clemency

-- fine starting here although I kinda think Clem is more dragging PB around than the other way around, but it doesn't really matter which of the pair you think should go

predance -- Reinhardt

[Krazy]

Basically only the top six reads matter to me, frankly. I'm feeling fine with my top three female reads, the top three male reads are much more mutable given that mcqueen isn't here yet and Slaxx has me concerned.

Everything in the bottom rest is like whatever, I'm mostly going by who I assume will leave the dance at a random point for whatever reason or actually get voted out

[Krazy]

I could maybe put the worst on bottom pairing given I kinda don't buy that he didn't read what it meant to accept a dance before accepting Fire, but again, I literally don't care about the bottom 5 pairings outside of hoping we hit at least one scum in them

[Krazy]

I know some people were like "oh no we can't decide the order pre-dance, that's not gonna work!"

it's literally the only way this works.

When people are given the chance to randomly kill the person they're paired with by committing suicide, they WILL DO SO

So basically we need to take SIX people and say: "NO. PLEASE DO NOT RANDOMLY LEAVE THE DANCE. TRUST THE TOWN."

that is what the final six really means.

The actual order people die in will definitely not be what I or anyone else prescribes, it will be when Firebringer or whoever else decides "HMM MY PARTNER MIGHT BE SCUM TIME FOR ME TO LEAVE!"

or because they get angry, or because they think it will be funny, or whatever.

[Krazy]

Talk to me about Slaxx? What is giving you reservations on him?

literally my only reservation with him right now is his scumread of me since I know he's better than that

[Krazy]

Ftr going by final 3 pairings isn't the best idea since scum can just force one of those three to leave at intermission

That is exactly what will happen which is why we also talk about the 4th pairing.

Like, here's kinda the way this works when we get more into detail:

The top FOUR townreads -- the players we actually are counting on to be town to win the game

the THIRD pair of townreads -- must contain at most one scum

the FOURTH pair of townreads -- must contain at most one scum

this is why "heavy chainsaw" pairings for 3 and 4 can sometimes be okay. We can have one scum in the final four, so long as we are sure that the total numbers aren't too bad in the final 4 that town is ever outnumbered

but these sort of meta-strategy decisions are only viable when reads are actually solid which they will not be and should not be until some of our MIA slots (Reinhardt) post at least some and our reads of the active, solid townreads solidifies

[Krazy]

Up until your last post you had put more time into alt hunting than giving reads on people,

Yeah but I also explained this is what I was doing, so why were you acting like someone who basically said "I'm not really playing yet" was a "strong scumread"?

[Krazy]

See here's the dilemma. We want to pack scum together so we can lynch two scum at the same time. But if we pack scum together, we also pack town together, which means scum can kill two town at the same town. Ideal system is scum/scum and town/null

the packing of scum and town literally doesn't matter in the bottom 5 pairings, only in the top 3 (and kinda 4)

[Krazy]

The fact he is suspicious of me for doing it is what I’m hung up on now.

While moving you from #2 to #3 is actually significant, I do still have you in the top 4 lol

Bear in mind that absolutely anyone that is considered for the top 4 will undergo much more scrutiny than anyone else

Like I kinda don't care about tw/firebringer since they never are in the final 4, I highly doubt Clem/PB makes final 4 so I don't care there, but whether a townread player like you is at 2, 3, or 4 is way more significant.

but me saying I have concerns is not me saying I scumread you right now

[Krazy]

need to catch up, will flip a coin about whether or not to read everything tbh

Nancy is town.

There, now you don't have to read pages 20-24.

[Krazy]

Every time Ankamius posts she becomes a little less towny in my eyes recently. This will need further consideration.

There will come a time when whether Ank or Celica should be #2 or #3 will be one of the defining questions of this game, but I'm not ready for that debate yet

[Krazy]

McQueen is a pretty easy townread when he's town, but he hasn't shown up yet. That's more an expected placement than an actual placement right now, as I kinda explained

[Krazy]

Please don't tell me you're actually intending to BoP and sheep Krazy Ank? he's not quite flawless

I think she was saying that my BoP as town is high enough that my scum game is probably good too, not that my town game is flawless.

[Krazy]

I mean that I think there is enough history to expect you to have more of a presence than to just coast for half the game without doing anything or providing more than content that doesn't hold up to scrutiny in the long run

true, although bear in mind that a) my town wim has dropped significantly since ircher's game and b) the worst has now seen my scum game which means he probably will not want me in the final three pairings

[Krazy]

WIM = motivation

[Krazy]

It's an MU term

I've never played on MU, I'm pretty sure I picked up from Gamma

[Krazy]

WIM isn't exactly just motivation I guess, it's more specifically motivation to win the game as your alignment. It's slightly more specific than motivation, in the same way that "thirsty" is a more specific form of motivation. WIM = thirsty to win at mafia

[Krazy]

(Pink Ball Slaxx)

Interested in this line

[Krazy]

Spoiler:

(Pink Ball Slaxx)

Interested in this line

(Allomancer Nancy Drew 39 Krazy)
(the worst Alisae Adelbert Steiner)
(Clemency Firebringer Ankamius)
(Reinhardt mcqueen PvtUrist Dunnstral Jibril-Null)
(Pink Ball Slaxx)

Can explain the first 2 and last line pretty easily. I also love how I was giving Allo crap for not explaining his reads when he made something like this and I'm doing the same thing.

Ooooo I’m becoming controversial

(Allomancer Nancy Drew 39 Krazy)
(the worst Alisae Adelbert Steiner)
(Clemency Firebringer Ankamius)
(Reinhardt mcqueen PvtUrist Dunnstral Jibril-Null)
(Pink Ball Slaxx)

Can explain the first 2 and last line pretty easily. I also love how I was giving Allo crap for not explaining his reads when he made something like this and I'm doing the same thing.

Can you explain Slaxx? I've been townreading him pretty hard.

(Allomancer Nancy Drew 39 Krazy)
(the worst Alisae Adelbert Steiner)
(Clemency Firebringer Ankamius)
(Reinhardt mcqueen PvtUrist Dunnstral Jibril-Null)
(Pink Ball Slaxx)

Can explain the first 2 and last line pretty easily. I also love how I was giving Allo crap for not explaining his reads when he made something like this and I'm doing the same thing.

Can you go into the Alisae and Slaxx reads for me?

(Pink Ball Slaxx)

I've seen none of Punk Bill's posting this game - but talk to me about this? Slaxx in particular?

lol I win the race

[Krazy]

Krazy are you town this time?
do you mind if I'm dumping you in my "dies eventually anyway" block?

I am in fact town this game. But you haven't mislynched me yet since schadd's game so I'm not exactly holding my breath for you to townread me here

[Krazy]

am I weird?

of course you are, you're my nerd dream girl <3 <3 <3

[Krazy]

I'm going to give you guys a hint: We tried forming an order in the very last dance game, it went awful, don't do it again

didn't you win that game by following RC's order?

[Krazy]

I'd be fine pairing with you

the heartbreak </3

[Krazy]

I'd pair with Celica or Ank if I wasn't going to drag them down

[Krazy]

Why do you want to pair with me

It seemed like you decided that before I entered the thread

Because you're beautiful

Also because you're the strongest scum player here probably and I'd enjoy knowing I could kill you if I truly started scumreading you

But MOSTLY because you're beautiful

[Krazy]

I think it's fitting given how coins work in this game

[Krazy]

Does anyone have issues with Slaxx/Dunn?

I kinda would like a bit more discussion before anyone who could plausibly be in the top 6 pairs first of all, which is probably the only reason I haven't offered yet

Beyond that, Dunn's BoP as scum is significantly higher than yours which would mean it would be much riskier to put you in the top 6

[Krazy]

I am the ghost of christmas past boogaboogabooga

[Krazy]

So do we have history or are you just a prolific observer?

I spec a lot

[Krazy]

Actually only one. Which was Lovers.

Then the other was a hydra in lynchpin with Auro/Volxen/Me

you think this is about you lol

what do you expect, me to go [Slaxx is shit at playing scum!]

You have it backward; the point is that Dunn is really good at playing scum, and has also won this particular setup before (albeit without this coin nonsense)

Dunn is demonstrably a strong scum player and for that reason pairing a player that can be a consensus townread with him is dangerous. I was volunteering myself for Dunn precisely because I did not enter this game planning to be in a final pairing, and I doubt Dunn did either. Seemed like a good fit in that regard

Additionally, the point I was making was that you two should not pair right now. Given Celica JUST cased you, isn't there like, things to talk about right now? You're not even a consensus read at the moment so it's almost a non-issue, but you still shouldn't pair this early in the pre-dance.

[Krazy]

let's be real, lolwagons is a stronger player than slaxx

[Krazy]

what was my insult now lol

[Krazy]

I'm okay with slaxx dancing with dunn so long as they both know they don't get in the final 4.

You asked if anyone thought it was a bad idea, I said so, and now you're throwing a little tantrum lol

[Krazy]

let's be real, lolwagons is a stronger player than slaxx

If this is the insult you're talking about you are definitely not getting in the final 4 anyway

[Krazy]

I literally asked wtf are you talking about and you chose not to explain

[Krazy]

Dunn has a high bop

You are not maria, and you getting this pissy about me saying you can be sorted as town is pretty ridiculous

[Krazy]

Everyone has a lower scum bop than dunn because dunn is one of the best scum players on site

You do not even disagree; you yourself have explained you have few recent scum games

I do not need to answer your question because you have explained the reasoning already

[Krazy]

slaxx is throwing a hissy fit because he thinks anything positive I say about dunn's scum game is a perso al insult to himself

[Krazy]

I think it is fucking weird that he is getting really tilted over the idea that he can be townread

[Krazy]

Yeah I don't think slaxx goes in top 3

You can pair with dunn if you want

[Krazy]

Gonna need to think more about the guys I guess

[Krazy]

What's interesting is that if you're town this would be the first time you've misread me Fire... I think. Need to reread that RC game for whether you ever had doubts about the memes.

[Krazy]

I did say "if"

[Krazy]

When you say lately, are you thinking back to RC's game? Or to SUPP? Because remember that in both of those games, I was a d2+ replace-in.

[Krazy]

I'm OK with tw being my Krazy representative

he can answer questions for me and if I actually need to change one of his answers I can just chime in then

[Krazy]

Spoiler:

[Krazy]

{Firebringer, Teh Wus, Pink Ball, Alisae, mcqueen, Reinhardt, Clemency}

this is one of those little things

Spoiler:

he's nullreading both existing pairs--okay

but then he puts FB/TW/PB first and then clemency at the end

like he didn't want it obvious he was nullreading the 'complicated' pairs

[Krazy]

Weren't you going to explain your Alisae read Pvt?

[Krazy]

Sure

[Krazy]

So Dunn, if you think I may be scum, does that make you want to dance with me more or less?

[Krazy]

I didn't say, "Dunn you should pair with me to suicide" I asked him to understand his thought process about how he approaches pairing

I'm not advocating suiciding, but considering he did suicide out of tilt last time, I honestly wasn't sure how he was approaching pairing this time.

[Krazy]

Fair enough, but I wasn't sure if you would want to just leave with a scum this time

Like, I don't know why you'd look at that game and want to keep fighting to be one of the top pairs when you could just scum hunt and pair with someone you'd like to see die

[Krazy]

Which was the most fun for you?

[Krazy]

Which games did town end up winning? You said you felt like the last game was a disaster where the pre-determined pairs didn't work well. Do you think you feel that way more because that strategy created too much pressure which resulted in an antagonistic, unfun game, or do you think that was just due to personality conflicts, such as between you and RC?

[Krazy]

What account were you on for the first game? I'm assuming it's outed

[Krazy]

The closest one to suiciding on tilt was this guy
<---

I'm satisfied with this though.

why was that?

[Krazy]

VOTE: Slaxx

[Krazy]

He's been nonstop railing and shading me after throwing a needless tantrum. He does tend to tunnel, but usually he tunnels on scum, so since I'm town I really can't think of a reason to townread him. If he is town, and he's making so much of his iso exclusively about me, then he's having a bad game and he won't be reliable in later dayphases anyway. In any case he's basically acting like a douche at this point and I'm not enjoying his presence in the game so he can get lynched.

[Krazy]

This setup is wildly scumsided the more I think about it and I probably just replace out anyway

[Krazy]

Ope, thought crossed my mind so I'm gonna do it

Replace out

Slaxx should not make second dance regardless of whatever alignment he has

[Krazy]

Do you have any thoughts about my scumread on you?

Stopped caring, probably makes you town but gl

[Krazy]

Anks post is the type of macro-level gamesolving people think Krazy is doing.

^^
Don't let this reach second dance

[Krazy]

What is excessive about it? You can figure out how many games I'm in right now since you know my main alt, this one is the least fun out of all of them, and early day 1 is the best possible time to replace out. I have no idea who any of the scum are, Slaxx is really annoying and I've stopped caring about his alignment, and I realized that most of my setup spec is wrong because of the coins mechanic. So I've literally contributed nothing useful to this game so far. Why stay?

[Krazy]

i enjoy u

A compelling reason but my enjoyment of a game tends to have a lot more to do with the weakest links than the players I most enjoy being with. I'm sure we'll be in another soon. Good luck!