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Post Post #6775 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:14 am

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In post 6772, DrewVa wrote:
In post 6766, Jingle wrote:
In post 6763, DrewVa wrote:It literally makes no freaking sense for scum to rolestop town!Elsa.
Untrue. Elsa was a likely vigtarget and a likely cop target. He's actually a decent rolestop target for scum. Doesn't make it any less important to flip him.
How? Elsa is either a traitor or miller?
Cop in this case means disloyal/loyal actions which iirc don't care about millers. And stopping a vig kill is a great use of a rolestop, because it makes that person a mislynch again.
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Post Post #6776 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:15 am

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In post 6774, DrewVa wrote:
In post 6771, Elsa Jay wrote:Well I crumbed Miller by saying I was a traitor. That seems pretty townie to me.
Metaing yourself isn’t helpful and why would you ever claim traitor in the first place?
EJ is A50 but with less sanity.
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Post Post #6777 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:16 am

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In post 6577, Xtoxm wrote:i also had an action fail on elsa last night

VOTE: Elsa
This, btw, is Xtox.
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Post Post #6778 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:16 am

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In post 6577, Xtoxm wrote:i also had an action fail on elsa last night
So Xtoxm was N3, action not stated, and later said no modifier.

That means a vig and another action failed on N3, and there were 3 actions on N2 for which the results would have not been possible in combination as either both disloyals should have hit on traitor and gotten a result, or the rolecop should fail if something interfered with Creature and myself.
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Post Post #6779 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:18 am

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creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?
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Post Post #6780 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:18 am

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Which, I'll reiterate, he didn't out to save TLK and by extension McQueen.
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Post Post #6781 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:19 am

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Still think it's either SvTraitor, or S_S doesn't really have a traitor result and went all-in on framing Elsa for not hammering.
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Post Post #6782 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:22 am

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In post 6779, Xtoxm wrote:creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?
SS claims a n2 check on Elsa yes, which is why we flip SS.

Dave/creature vs SS are not the same alignment.
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Post Post #6783 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:23 am

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Disloyal vig failure on N2, reg vig failure N3. Ascetic isn't the answer unless full BP.
Disloyal ? failure on N2.
Regular failure on N3.

Potential explanations that allow for scum: Multiple rolestopping actions. Commuter. Ascetic Full BP. Multiple faked action claims. None of those are particularly likely, and I can't think of another option.
Comparitively, if town: rolestop N3. Doc N3 +Xtox lying.

It's simpler to explain if EJ is town.

SS, if you're town, who would you investigate tonight?

PEdit: I thought SS investigated EJ N1?
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Post Post #6784 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:24 am

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Narp, N2.

Yup. I'm more and more down with flipping SS first.
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Post Post #6785 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:25 am

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In post 6781, davesaz wrote:Still think it's either SvTraitor, or S_S doesn't really have a traitor result and went all-in on framing Elsa for not hammering.
The Loyalized possible traitor Elsa vs Mainline Scum Smart who's lied multiple times.

Even mechanically if you think this is Scum vs Traitor, 10/10 the play is to kill the Scum first.

Pedit: He said he "holstered" N1 Jingle.
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Post Post #6786 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:26 am

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In post 6531, Something_Smart wrote:Holy shit why am I being wagoned here.

I'm rolecop. Holstered N1, checked Elsa N2- he is traitor. Not bulletproof traitor.
N2 I was gifted disloyal and +1, essentially turning me into a cop.

Do you not see why I did what I did? Making sure my guilty was second-to-last so the bullet hits him. Then I can use my other check, which is basically a cop check. Which I did. No result on Xtoxm, he's almost certainly town.

I think you heard all about the boonus round already, we compromised. I gave neighborizer to profii. I also received loud and +1 so I have one more shot tonight.

Elsa is the lynch today. I crumbed this REALLY hard, multiple times. I can go back and find them if people want. But even if you think Elsa and I are both scum, you ALWAYS hang him first, because I'm literally a cop.

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Post Post #6787 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:26 am

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In post 6781, davesaz wrote:Still think it's either SvTraitor, or S_S doesn't really have a traitor result and went all-in on framing Elsa for not hammering.
Yup. Both slots need to flip sooner than later. Glad we're back to the same square we were at at daystart. :lol:
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Post Post #6788 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:27 am

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So Dave/creature/Elsa are the same alignment and SS is the opposite either way he flips.
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Post Post #6789 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:27 am

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Barring some mechanic with traitor that disrupts disloyal.
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Post Post #6790 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:28 am

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Dave/Creat: When did you get disloyal?

PEdit: No, EJ/SS could be scum theater. It's not outside the realm of plausibility.
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Post Post #6791 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:29 am

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Excuse me as I'm a little bit confused but is this a fair summary:

S_S =

rolecop

N1 - no action

N2 - Elsa = "traitor" - also, S_S Received a disloyal / +1 charge

N3 - Xtoxm = "no result" therefore, Xtoxm == alignment of S_S (as we don't know either alignment, if I'm playing devils advocate)



So - I'm a bit confused - In my role, I specifically asked about the timing of giving the modifiers - I gave my loyal out N1 to try and create a cop, similar to S_S claim here - but I was specifically told by boon, the receiving party would be informed about their modification at the next day start, so they couldn't actually cop anyone until N2, the night after...

If we apply the same logic to the S_S claim, I don't think S_S actually copped Elsa by merit of getting a result, he is just saying the role traitor = scum

So then the Xtoxm bit is essentially irrelevant to the ongoing Elsa Vs S_S thing we have, and we will deal with that later after 1 of these 2 flip I would suggest


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Post Post #6792 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:31 am

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For SS to fake traitor and both Dave and creature to claim disloyal checks on Elsa would have to come from 4 scum in a situation that's SvS to begin with so I don't...think that's the case?
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Post Post #6793 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:31 am

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In post 6791, profii wrote:If we apply the same logic to the S_S claim, I don't think S_S actually copped Elsa by merit of getting a result, he is just saying the role traitor = scum
Yes this is correct, I was not disloyal at that time.
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Post Post #6794 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:32 am

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In post 6782, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 6779, Xtoxm wrote:creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?
SS claims a n2 check on Elsa yes, which is why we flip SS.

Dave/creature vs SS are not the same alignment.
aight
you still want elsa first?
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Post Post #6795 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:34 am

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In post 6790, Jingle wrote:Dave/Creat: When did you get disloyal?
I got mine at end of N1, from BOONus room B. Creature was in that same room and won (as Karmeleon) though it's not guaranteed he actually took that modifier.
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Post Post #6796 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:34 am

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Well traitor is a scum only role so...
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Post Post #6797 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:35 am

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Was Ascetic an available modifier?
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Post Post #6798 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:35 am

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No xtoxm, SS first.
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Post Post #6799 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:36 am

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ok.
VOTE: S_S
asked cus you never voted S_S that i can see
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