Cop in this case means disloyal/loyal actions which iirc don't care about millers. And stopping a vig kill is a great use of a rolestop, because it makes that person a mislynch again.In post 6772, DrewVa wrote:How? Elsa is either a traitor or miller?In post 6766, Jingle wrote:Untrue. Elsa was a likely vigtarget and a likely cop target. He's actually a decent rolestop target for scum. Doesn't make it any less important to flip him.In post 6763, DrewVa wrote:It literally makes no freaking sense for scum to rolestop town!Elsa.
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EJ is A50 but with less sanity.In post 6774, DrewVa wrote:
Metaing yourself isn’t helpful and why would you ever claim traitor in the first place?In post 6771, Elsa Jay wrote:Well I crumbed Miller by saying I was a traitor. That seems pretty townie to me.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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So Xtoxm was N3, action not stated, and later said no modifier.In post 6577, Xtoxm wrote:i also had an action fail on elsa last night
That means a vig and another action failed on N3, and there were 3 actions on N2 for which the results would have not been possible in combination as either both disloyals should have hit on traitor and gotten a result, or the rolecop should fail if something interfered with Creature and myself.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- Xtoxm
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creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
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Still think it's either SvTraitor, or S_S doesn't really have a traitor result and went all-in on framing Elsa for not hammering.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- RCEnigma
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SS claims a n2 check on Elsa yes, which is why we flip SS.In post 6779, Xtoxm wrote:creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?
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Disloyal vig failure on N2, reg vig failure N3. Ascetic isn't the answer unless full BP.
Disloyal ? failure on N2.
Regular failure on N3.
Potential explanations that allow for scum: Multiple rolestopping actions. Commuter. Ascetic Full BP. Multiple faked action claims. None of those are particularly likely, and I can't think of another option.
Comparitively, if town: rolestop N3. Doc N3 +Xtox lying.
It's simpler to explain if EJ is town.
SS, if you're town, who would you investigate tonight?
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The Loyalized possible traitor Elsa vs Mainline Scum Smart who's lied multiple times.In post 6781, davesaz wrote:Still think it's either SvTraitor, or S_S doesn't really have a traitor result and went all-in on framing Elsa for not hammering.
Even mechanically if you think this is Scum vs Traitor, 10/10 the play is to kill the Scum first.
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In post 6531, Something_Smart wrote:Holy shit why am I being wagoned here.
I'm rolecop. Holstered N1, checked Elsa N2- he is traitor. Not bulletproof traitor.
N2 I was gifted disloyal and +1, essentially turning me into a cop.
Do you not see why I did what I did? Making sure my guilty was second-to-last so the bullet hits him. Then I can use my other check, which is basically a cop check. Which I did. No result on Xtoxm, he's almost certainly town.
I think you heard all about the boonus round already, we compromised. I gave neighborizer to profii. I also received loud and +1 so I have one more shot tonight.
Elsa is the lynch today. I crumbed this REALLY hard, multiple times. I can go back and find them if people want. But even if you think Elsa and I are both scum, you ALWAYS hang him first, because I'm literally a cop.
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Yup. Both slots need to flip sooner than later. Glad we're back to the same square we were at at daystart.In post 6781, davesaz wrote:Still think it's either SvTraitor, or S_S doesn't really have a traitor result and went all-in on framing Elsa for not hammering.This is a Parachute.- RCEnigma
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Excuse me as I'm a little bit confused but is this a fair summary:
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N1 - no action
N2 - Elsa = "traitor" - also, S_S Received a disloyal / +1 charge
N3 - Xtoxm = "no result" therefore, Xtoxm == alignment of S_S (as we don't know either alignment, if I'm playing devils advocate)
So - I'm a bit confused - In my role, I specifically asked about the timing of giving the modifiers - I gave my loyal out N1 to try and create a cop, similar to S_S claim here - but I was specifically told by boon, the receiving party would be informed about their modification at the next day start, so they couldn't actually cop anyone until N2, the night after...
If we apply the same logic to the S_S claim, I don't think S_S actually copped Elsa by merit of getting a result, he is just saying the role traitor = scum
So then the Xtoxm bit is essentially irrelevant to the ongoing Elsa Vs S_S thing we have, and we will deal with that later after 1 of these 2 flip I would suggest
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Yes this is correct, I was not disloyal at that time.In post 6791, profii wrote:If we apply the same logic to the S_S claim, I don't think S_S actually copped Elsa by merit of getting a result, he is just saying the role traitor = scumIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- Xtoxm
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aightIn post 6782, RCEnigma wrote:
SS claims a n2 check on Elsa yes, which is why we flip SS.In post 6779, Xtoxm wrote:creature and dave sound like they are in conflict with S_S
either the disloyals mean elsa is town therefore S_S is lying
or S_S should have also got no result also
is S_S claiming the result on elsa from N2 right?
Dave/creature vs SS are not the same alignment.
you still want elsa first?Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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I got mine at end of N1, from BOONus room B. Creature was in that same room and won (as Karmeleon) though it's not guaranteed he actually took that modifier.In post 6790, Jingle wrote:Dave/Creat: When did you get disloyal?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- RCEnigma
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ok.
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